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Topic: sheer hypocrisy of animal rights activists

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Sarvo P.	September 25, 2006 10:57 AM George Bernard Shaw said, "We pray on Sundays that we may have light to guide our footsteps on the path we tread. We're sick of war. We don't want to fight and yet we gorge ourselves upon the dead." Is there much concern at all about the 45 billion animals that are slaughtered for the meat industry every year? [ send green star]
Sarah T.	September 25, 2006 10:50 AM There are ways to use decoys so that turds in punchbowls do not stick out so much. [ send green star]
Tanya R.	September 25, 2006 2:57 AM yay! it's good to see that there is some discussion here of what it is really about. Thank you for caring about the non-human animals as well as the human ones! [ send green star]
Misty R.	rabid dogs September 24, 2006 3:34 AM Animal activists are not against the killing of RABID dogs to protect humans! Their are angry that the dog owners did not provide rabies shots to their dogs! And the dogs rabid or not were slaughtered horiffically in front of their owners and CHILDREN!!! that are now traumatized from the violent bludgeoning of there beloved pets!!! Where's the human justice in that?? children witnessing violence of any kind?? IT's not good for there mental state no matter what! if these adult owners were responsible there wouldn't of been a rabies crisis!! and the persons that killed these dogs could of done it in a less painful way, there still living biengs and can feel pain just as much as a human can. [ send green star]
Kathy G.	May 02, 2006 6:01 PM I do agree, Mary...and in all honesty-I'm more "for" writing the DA than the petition....the petition in my mind-is like an addendum to all the letters people are writing....showing the solidarity of this country (and parts of the world) realizing the existing laws are not sufficient. I read an article today that well over 1500 letters came into the DA's office since the time of her memorial svs on Sat and today-because her story is reaching worldwide audiences. Changes need to be made, and now is the time to encourage these changes, while this horrible death is still fresh in the politicos' minds....(and the publics'). Deshawn Q Brown was supposed to be charged with torture ( not cruelty) according to many reports-thereby making the max prison time of 10 yrs compared to the typical 2 for cruelty. And depending on his prior record in Illinois-that may or may not be considered. However-I heard a rumor from someone close to the case (I say rumor since I cannot verify as yet) that he had starved to death another animal several yrs ago. Little did this man know-he would make himself famous by his cruel actions! I guess what I'm surprised about is the lack of disgust even-almost as if this should be tolerated, or worse yet-accepted. Nothing's been mentioned-yet I see members in and around....so, I must say this befuddles me. But Mary-I hear you..... [ send green star]
Mary H.	Just One More Thng May 02, 2006 12:43 PM Are we mad as hell that this yayhoo bonded out after what he did to Mercy? Happens all the time and no amount of petition signing is going to cure this problem either. The problem sticks out like a t**d in a punchbowl as soon as the ARA people show up..the problem makers start to crank out the spin about controlling population numbers and just plain like to argue and blame. We're dealing with presumed superiority and discrimination of the masses who believe animals are lower, unimportant, insignificant and can be consumed, abused and thrown away because man is The Boss. Only human life counts! None of these fixed mind have bothered to educate themselves about the lethality of antisocial personality disorders either and its relationship to violence and torture..There's one in every thread...."I need to see a body count before I believe that!" Skeptics who see the handwriting on the wall will still claim it's a forgery and accuse us of being the forgers. Our job is to educate the public and convice our lawmakers the lives of sentient beings are just as important as ours. They have a right and a purpose to be here. IT's gonna be a hard sell too as long as we allow 2-4.6 million shelter pets to be euthanized every year. The public needs to understand that pure evil exists and they didn't come from domestic violence and poverty. They grew up underneath the permissive noses of swell parents who thought everything their child did was cute and clever. Mental health experts now say there is NO therapy and NO rehabilitation because there is NO conscience and No remorse by the time of their first kill. So pure evil needs to do hard time-LIFE WITHOUT like any child killer. Another time, I've got to do some stuff for Mercy at Dogster. MaryG-Whiz [ send green star]
Mary H.	Hi Sweetie, May 02, 2006 11:36 AM Vell now....I'm gonna have to play devil's advocate here. I get to do this cuz I'm older than dirt. Your post comes across with deep commitment and dedication to ARA and that is admirable. However, when people don't do what we think they ought to be doing, we are too quick to assume they're slacking, being irresponsible or maybe they aren't really serious. People work and have other commitments..problems and responsibilities ..they can't be online all the time....and not everyone believes petition signing is effective. Suppose they don't share the ARA enthusiasm...we just can't control it or them, and we can't pass judgment on them either. We can only be responsible for ourselves and our mission. Unrealistic expectations are a killer of teamwork and relationships. Personally, I don't need a label or a group to give me permission to do what is right for our little voiceless ones. However, I shore do like the company of the pet-loving ARA folks..and learning about mercy and compassion has cured my selfishness. We are good people doing important work... So calm down. For every fallen or resting soldier...there's 10 more replacements! [ send green star]
Kathy G.	Mary May 02, 2006 7:08 AM Dunno - I know a few of "us" are still around....and I'm sure they are too, but what really gets me, is the claim of being for animal rights by some...yet I scan those 2 petitions daily, and the one for Mercy-several times daily.....and have yet to see even one sign it...to bring her torturer to justice. Do they feel the cruelty laws are sufficient? He was bonded out on only 250.00! (with a prior record in Illinois) Believe me-it's not "just" AR people who have been shocked and disgusted by his actions...you can tell by reading the comments as to who is classified as "AR" and who is not. The "sheer hypocrisy" of claiming to be for animal rights, and not doing a damn thing to bring someone this ill to justice sickens me....all because she wouldn't "breed"! I do this often because sometimes petitions regarding such a horrendous event somehow reach celebrities....like the one we had for the issue in ARNO that Lynn B authored for me-Richard Pryor and his wife JenniferLee signed it.....and when that happens, it's nice to send them a "thank you" for taking time out of their busy schedules to sign a petition. I received a lovely note back from them, and am considering sending this petition to Jennifer via her email, tho I hate to bother her cuz I'm sure she's still mourning her loss...but I also know she is carrying on their work. So-why is no "humanitarian" signing this petition? Do you feel he has the right to do this to another living being??? [ send green star]
Mary H.	HI FRIEND! May 02, 2006 6:46 AM Why thanx Kathy! Is it just you and me-the choir-in here? What happened to our little stonecaster friends? Hmm...I tried but couldn't send you a greenie either....Later, MG [ send green star]
Kathy G.	Awesome, Mary! May 01, 2006 10:24 PM You cannot currently send a star to Mary because you have done so within the last week. [ send green star]
Mary H.	Hypocrisy or Veracity? May 01, 2006 5:32 AM Hmmm...Skeptics of ARA just can't seem to rise above the propensity to label and confabulate....Some of your posts read like the joyless whinings of attemped suicide by plagerized minutia. This kind of rhetoric makes me proud to be a pet-lover not a pet owner...an educator and facilitator rather than an activist...and advocate for mercy and compassion, not the judge and jury...a problem-solver more than a petitioneer ...and a person who believes that love is the ability to be kind to those who don't deserve it. This is what ARA means to many of us. Can't you guys come up with more challenging and interesting arguments than gang-banging Peta and topics like Rumanian hydrophopia? Posts that inspire, enlighten, educate and encourage? Or is it about the self-congragulatory speeches of being right? Just because your opinions reflect a disdain for the valuing the sanctity of all life and you have not realized the quality of mercy, do you think I would "walk slow with the crash cart" if you showed up in my emergency room in dire straits? It's never too late, MaryG-Whiz [ send green star]
Kathy G.	First Post April 19, 2006 7:20 AM Yes-Eles' name was mentioned in the very first post...and in my own mind, I too take this as a "bashing session" on her (and others) who support non humans.: Che M. sheer hypocrisy of animal rights activists April 10, 2006 2:19 PM I would think that a strict ARA, not a layman like me, would want animals to be totally free. I guess the first point of hypocrisy is owning a pet themselves or visiting some in a farm or zoo. The fact that Eles calls her dog "my dog" represents ownership and her higher status by being its owner. And, as far as Peta goes.....talk about being dead wrong-provide a link, please that shows they do not agree with anyone adopting a dog or cat and living with them inside their homes! They even provide dog houses every winter for a few chained dogs who's people simply refuse to bring them inside-if the people refuse to give them up for adoption. I was almost hired by them last yr, and in one of the interviews the discussion of bringing my dog to work came up. They encourage this. Quite a few employees do if the section they work in is appropriate to support them. I'm sorry, but this thread screams from one end of the scale to another of anti-animal propaganda.... Once I locate my files (sorry-but that is not a priority on my list of things to do today-I need to "downsize" some things in case I move soon, so will be donating a lot of clothing) from last yr, and prior-I can demonstrate a lot more than just "media propaganda" regarding the seal kill, from not only IFAW but Sea Shepherd, HSUS, Harpseals.Org and many others from around the WORLD.....they aren't ALL going to LIE. [ send green star]
Sylvie G.	April 13, 2006 1:55 PM You make some good points. But the fact remains that you are a slave to animals if you put their rights above those of humans. I am a slave to animals?? I think you are as confused to the definition of slave as you are to humanitarian. Are you a slave to humans becuse you chose them over an animal? Please stop with the extremist logic..I already answered I would choose my dog over a stranger! It was a straightforward question & I answered honestly! I would risk my life in a fire to save those I love & yes, I love my dog & cat with every fibre of my being. That being said, I would also risk my life to save a stranger..OR a strangers dog! I can honestly say I would NEVER risk my life to save a serial killer, a pedophile truth is..I would make no attempt to save them. If that disqualifies me as a decent humanitarian or human being..so be it. [ send green star]
Stuart H.	Ahh the reek of stupidity. April 12, 2006 9:35 PM I only came back to say this 1-you started this thread to bash me which is against c2c of c.. and 2- no animal rights activist that I know of believes the idiotic rhetoric that was STARTED by HUMAN EXTREMISTS BTW, nobody should have pets.. lets finish the statement.. its NOBODY SHOULD HAVE PETS WHO KEEP THEM ON CHAINS OR IN CAGES THEIR ENTIRE LIFE. 1: Prove it. The first post in this thread doesn't even mention your name. Don't over-think your importance, its very arrogant of you. 2: Human extremist? What is a human extremist? I am master of my domain, not animals. I hunt on my property, decide which animals in my domain are to emain or to be removed, and live or die. If you don't like it, go cry on your pillow. I am the top of the food chain, not my cat who by the way is a member of the family, and is treated quite well. [ send green star]
Mike W.	Tony April 12, 2006 9:28 PM "To say that "I heard it on the radio" is a LIE! Whatever you heard did not come from PETA. Get the facts straight!" I have my facts straight.... A guy from PETA was on 700 WLW out of cincinnati... I will get his name for you...... PETA does NOT believe you should own a pet... [ send green star]
CheWorks L.	April 12, 2006 3:47 PM why so sad paolita? [ send green star]
Paola Z.	April 12, 2006 3:44 PM [ send green star]
CheWorks L.	Sylvie April 11, 2006 9:39 PM You make some good points. But the fact remains that you are a slave to animals if you put their rights above those of humans. I don't know anyone in Darfur, but I know I care nothing of any animal there unless the humans are taken care of first. So I ask you, if you don't know either, would you still pick the animal? [ send green star]
CheWorks L.	oops April 11, 2006 9:37 PM Lucky cat. [ send green star]
CheWorks L.	Destiny April 11, 2006 9:37 PM Lucku cat [ send green star]
CheWorks L.	Elizabeth April 11, 2006 9:37 PM I never personally insulted Yid and talked about his mother. he will not be back. And you can bank on that. [ send green star]
	April 11, 2006 6:18 PM I'm a slave to my cat. [ send green star]
Heather H.	April 11, 2006 6:12 PM LMAO SYLVIE!!! Yes, I say "my dog", like I say "my sister" or "my husband".....as someone pointed out-- they are family!! What don't you get about that? [ send green star]
Sylvie G.	April 11, 2006 3:37 PM Humans should not be slaves to animals. ??????????????????? please, please tell me ONE TIME in history that humans have been slaves to animals?? I LOVE THIS GROUP! THE COMIC RELIEF CANNOT BE BEAT! I am going to nominate it for funniest group on care2!! [ send green star]
Tony M.	April 11, 2006 3:27 PM PETA is not (and have never been) against having companion animals as family members. I think somebody here have purposely misunderstood them. It is like ELES said, EXOTIC and WILD animals that are not suitable as pets!!! To say that "I heard it on the radio" is a LIE! Whatever you heard did not come from PETA. Get the facts straight! I, too, say "MY DOGS". Because they are MY FAMILY! I am their guardian and it is MY responsibility that they live healthy, happy and safe. [ send green star]
Sylvie G.	April 11, 2006 2:15 PM Ah but, it is a HUMAN in need that is robbing your home! He is not armed just coming in to help himself ..so do you sic your dog on the human? Call it wrong, call it crazy, MY DOG is part of my family..I will protect him with my life as he would me.(by the way he has already put his life on the line for me..twice) I would gladly repay the favor. [ send green star]
Mike W.	April 11, 2006 2:05 PM Its not hypocritical to protect yourself and your family... Youre just being goofy..... If you would put your dogs needs over that of a human you are wrong... [ send green star]
Sylvie G.	April 11, 2006 1:46 PM Hypocrites are those who attack others for their views, while they do NOTHING to further their own cause. This may shock most of you but, I put my DOG 's needs above everyone here..you are all just strangers humans I dont even know. By the way, if a HUMAN were to come rob your house..would you sic your dog on them? HYPOCRITES??? LMAO!! [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	April 11, 2006 12:26 PM You know Che - not one of your posts was ever deleted from HRN. Not even the particularly offensive ones. And Dov gets upset and calls you a name for the first time, and you not only delete his posts, but block him from the group? Whatever happened to Mr. Che the Poster Boy for believing in free speech? I think I smell some hypocrisy here. Put the shoe on the other food and it takes you 2 seconds to delete and ban. What a shame. [ send green star]
Jan C.	Come on guys April 11, 2006 4:37 AM Be nice to each other! I was told to get off a few posts about the seal hunt because of my differing opinions, and I don't think thats right. Why can't everyone calm down and talk civil. There is no need for name calling Yid. It is good to have a variety of opinions on these topics, thats what makes this world work. It would be quite boring if we all believed in the same thing. I think what I am trying to say is that animals should be respected, but that does not mean they can't be killed for food or money to buy food. I think that does not make me an animal hater. Humans should not be slaves to animals. people should not go hungry when they can hunt or fish. It just doesnt make any sense. Plus, the amount of energy and money animal activists spend could help a lot of people if they chose to divert it towards humanitarian causes [ send green star]
CheWorks L.	btw April 11, 2006 12:00 AM I deleted Yid's offensive posts. Now let's continue calmly please people. [ send green star]
CheWorks L.	also elizabeth April 10, 2006 10:33 PM I hope you see that i ma trying to make a point of how important people are and that animals have their importance as well, but at a different level. [ send green star]
CheWorks L.	Elizabeth April 10, 2006 10:15 PM I enjoy reading your and Eles' comments. They are done in a civil fashion. Please refrain to stooping to the level of Yid. [ send green star]
CheWorks L.	sorry April 10, 2006 10:09 PM I didn't see your second insult. No one calls anyone a jackass here. Goodbye. [ send green star]
CheWorks L.	YID April 10, 2006 10:08 PM My name is Che. Stop this Ted crap. Also stop the insulting comments. This is your first and last warning. If you don't like my attempt at bringing out issues, get the hell out of this group. No crap like this on a group I phucking own!!! [ send green star]
Mike W.	April 10, 2006 9:03 PM This thread and this group in general is NOT about Eles nor is it about bashing anyone....It is about treating people the way some of you treat animals... So many people put the lives of animals above humans and then when someone like myself or Che points it out they say we want to torture animals.. I love animals.... Most of us do... But we need to put things in perspective.... [ send green star]
Freediver O.	April 10, 2006 8:15 PM People say the exact same thing about me. [ send green star]
Elizabeth N.	April 10, 2006 8:08 PM It might not all be about Eles, FD, but I believe this one is. Che is just spreading his charm everywhere these days. He goes into groups to agitate - he always knows better than everyone else and he is always going to point out the error of their ways. You are right Cubby - he is pathetic. [ send green star]
Freediver O.	April 10, 2006 7:46 PM 1-you started this thread to bash me which is against c2c of c.. It's not all about you Eles. [ send green star]
	April 10, 2006 5:36 PM Neither do I, but I get accused of it all the time [ send green star]
Mike W.	April 10, 2006 5:35 PM And I dont have any agenda.... [ send green star]
Mike W.	April 10, 2006 5:35 PM I didnt lump anyone together.. I was talking about PETA. [ send green star]
	April 10, 2006 5:30 PM But you sit here whining about it for your agenda. I dont see you doing anything for the humans you supposedly love. And i didnt come back here to defend peta. I came to defend myself. You LUMP everyone together like a prejudice. [ send green star]
Mike W.	Eles April 10, 2006 5:22 PM I dont send out letters asking for monetary donations claiming that I will provide food and shelter for animals until they are adopted.. PETA does... [ send green star]
	April 10, 2006 5:16 PM Mike, can you find homes for 12,000 animals? you get 5 years to do so.. then and only then would you be any better than peta. [ send green star]
	April 10, 2006 5:14 PM As CCF Reports, peta HAS euthanized 12,000 animals over hte past 5 years. This may seem staggering to a HUMAN EXTREMIST but DO THE MATH!!!! in just one year alone in the United States 5-6 MILLION dogs and cats are euthanized. These ARE sad facts due to overpopulation and the HUMAN EXTREMISTS have twisted it AGain to fit their agenda. [ send green star]
Mike W.	April 10, 2006 5:10 PM "anyone else see the descrepancy here?" Yes I do that is my point... They didnt say we are gainst owning exotic animals for pets... They said they are against owning animals.... Plus, if they care so much why do they kill so many animals? They collect money so they can care for them until adoption.. Why did they kill thousands last year alone?? Descrepancy? Yeah I see it.. [ send green star]
	April 10, 2006 4:59 PM How to care for your dog and cat - presented by PETA. Yeah, uh huh, they are against people loving their dogs and cats as family. www.helpinganimals.com [ send green star]
	April 10, 2006 4:58 PM Its WILD and EXOTIC Animals they dont want people having as pets. See how they want others to FEEL so they can call them hypocrits. They only hear what they want to. [ send green star]
	April 10, 2006 4:56 PM "But in the meantime they take donations so they can care for animlas until they are adopted.." This isn't logical - why would PETA be against people keeping animals as family-member-pets and at the same time take care of those who are without a family until they can be adopted - presumably by a human family - anyone else see the descrepancy here? Dov [ send green star]
Mike W.	April 10, 2006 4:52 PM "When a pet is considered a family member - not even peta is against pets who are treated like family members. Show me one activist who is???" Thats not true.. PETA is against owning of pets.. PERIOD.. I just heard one of their head members on the radio talking about it... PETA wants a complete liberation of animals..... But in the meantime they take donations so they can care for animlas until they are adopted.. To bad they kill them animals by the thousands... [ send green star]
	April 10, 2006 4:13 PM My Dog MY Sister, My Brother MY dad, My cousin MY Aunt My Kid so with your analogy I own them all .. woo hoo LMFAO! [ send green star]
	April 10, 2006 4:06 PM I only came back to say this 1-you started this thread to bash me which is against c2c of c.. and 2- no animal rights activist that I know of believes the idiotic rhetoric that was STARTED by HUMAN EXTREMISTS BTW, nobody should have pets.. lets finish the statement.. its NOBODY SHOULD HAVE PETS WHO KEEP THEM ON CHAINS OR IN CAGES THEIR ENTIRE LIFE. When a pet is considered a family member - not even peta is against pets who are treated like family members. Show me one activist who is??? This is something the humanoids twisted by not finishing the statement. And now here you are saying that ARA SHOULD FEEL THIS WAY so you can call us HYPOCRITS!!! !! With respect, you can have your opinion that humans are always first no matter what even a child molester before a loyal family dog and thats fine with me, but starting a group just to bash those who disagree is probably as low as anyone could go particularly as a "CARE2 Member". [ send green star]
Jan C.	thats true April 10, 2006 3:27 PM The sad thing is that many animal activists dont bother to research and inform themselves with both sides of the story, often blindlessly signing petitions. [ send green star]
CheWorks L.	sheer hypocrisy of animal rights activists April 10, 2006 2:19 PM I would think that a strict ARA, not a layman like me, would want animals to be totally free. I guess the first point of hypocrisy is owning a pet themselves or visiting some in a farm or zoo. The fact that Eles calls her dog "my dog" represents ownership and her higher status by being its owner. Then there is the irony of the activist profiting from the butchered images of baby seals. As well, there is the photo-ops with cute seals that will not be endangered rather than an ugly cod that is. Again, going for the almighty donation. Activists want rabid dogs in Romania and other countries not to be harmed. I guess it's ok if they bite and kill humans, so long as their right to roam around city streets in a rabid state is intact. Ethics involves truth, not exaggeration and/or outright lies. [ send green star]