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 June 05, 2006 2:25 PM

yikes!  non-human animal, not non-animal!!!!  [ send green star]
 
 June 05, 2006 2:22 PM

I don't even know what you mean by misrepresentation of seals.

I am glad it is the marketing tactics rather than the hipocracy of animal activists.  I  am not with you on disavowing a cause or the people committed to that cause due to philosophical standards about advertisement misrepresentation.

Although if advertisement were to influence people to be hateful, harmful, or brain dead, then I would diapprove of it.  And that could be an entirely new discussion.  And you could mention the poor Canadians and the poor Seal hunters.  and I could argue about making your own ethical choices.  I do not think that Canadians or Seal hunters must continue a barbaric practice such as seal clubbing.  In fact, Seal hunters and all other non-animal hunters have no sympathy from me when it is about hunting. 

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agreed June 02, 2006 4:08 PM

But take a look at the threads about animal abuse/rights and you will see an alarming misrepresentation of seals.

I agree with all that you say.  My point was to show the marketing of abuse.

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 June 02, 2006 1:59 PM

Actually, I believe that animal rights sympathizers and animal rights activists are different.  Here is why:  because most animal rights activists put a very lot of themselves into making changes, and sympathizers more or less look at the issue from a distance.  An animal rights activist would not choose an animal for its looks.  But fundraisers do, and whether or not they are corrupt is a different issue, it is whether or not they gain the most financial support to follow their cause.  It is the way things work, and it is not because animal rights activists themselves care more for cute animals.  Name to me an animal rights organization that is not opposed to using mice in vivisection.  Name to me an environmental group that is opposed to saving the manatee.  Cuteness is only an issue with advertising methods; it has little to do with the causes themselves. 

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ok May 31, 2006 10:05 PM

I mean that seals are used because they're cute when their existence or situation is much better than a large number of other species.

If seals were ugly, I think hardly any fuss would be made over them

Let's face it, a lot of animal rights activists actually jump into it and grab on to the latest craze.  they blindly support anything to be "cool".  This is the name of the thread.  I hope this clears it up.

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 May 31, 2006 4:43 PM

Then please specify, because I do not see how you come to that conclusion.  [ send green star]
 
Tanya May 30, 2006 12:05 AM

No.

I stand by my last post.

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Pelagus May 29, 2006 6:37 PM

You made a very profound and true statement:
All non humans have the very same importance & using all your energy for one race rather than for all of them... doesn't make any sense

While there are those who will fight one issue at a time; it creates the best results to be all-encompassing...


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 May 29, 2006 12:26 PM

I believe that your response would be more accurate for you to say if it were, "compared to human causes, this one is not".  You might not like the same done to humans.  [ send green star]
 
 May 28, 2006 6:46 PM

compared to other animal causes, this is a non-cause.  [ send green star]
 
BAN SEAL HUNTING May 28, 2006 3:10 PM

I agree that all animals are important to protect.  I agree that seal hunting is barbaric and cruel.  I agree with what Billye said.  It is ridiculous to dismiss a cause because you do not like some minor aspect of its protest. Think for yourself.  Please do not pretend that your nationalism in Canada, or that because your favorite musician not coming to Canada, is a good reason to club seals.  The facts about the event itself are not misrepresented even if the facts about the clubbers are inaccurate in some way.   If I knew a sealer I would continue to be opposed to hurting and killing seals, seal babies or seal adults.   The need to bring attention to other less popular causes does not invalidate the need for this cause.

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 May 27, 2006 3:58 PM

That's like somebody saying they're going to kick their dog because activists have preached animal rights too much. That doesn't make any sense at all!  If a person is going to club a seal, they're going to do it with or without activists involvement.  [ send green star]
 
seal hunt May 27, 2006 3:00 AM

From my perspective, the killing of seals is horrible of course, but not the main thing that people should focus on. Morissey being a vegan & animal welfare activist... it is quite logic that he boycotts canada. But still, i really disagree with the logic of this boycott.
To me the focus should start witht he 50 BILLION cows, pigs, chickens, yet many others who are killed every year for the meat industry. Once those non humans are not killed anymore, it will come all by itself that humans will stop hun ting seals, wearing fur etc... The same doesn't come from the opposite... do you think people will stop eating noin humans once seals are not hu nted anymore? Especialy not with the propaghanda used such as "the cruelty" of the slaughter The perspective on cruelty varies from one to another human... how do you want people to agree on this? Also, most of the time they'll come to a "human way" of killing...
It is absolutely ridiculous & doesn't help anyone. Let's settle priorities ... & seals are not! All non humans have the very same importance & using all your energy for one race rather than for all of them... doesn't make any sense
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Sylvie April 11, 2006 10:21 PM

Here's a thread you may not have read:

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=8520&pst=303298&archival=

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 April 11, 2006 2:53 PM

especially Newfoundlanders

not ALL Newfoundlanders are seal hunters..

how would YOU like the seal hunt portrayed?

It is NOT pretty & many would call it BARBARIC...sorry but, it is the truth.

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well April 11, 2006 2:50 PM

I know many who are. Its not being for or against the seal hunt, its the portayal of it, the misrepresentations in the media, and the way Canadians are conveyed because of it, especially Newfoundlanders. I mean Lady Heather even called us barbaric and archaic...

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 April 11, 2006 2:40 PM

. By attacking Canada for this, many Canadians feel defensive

maybe you should start a pro seal hunt group..I for one dont know any Canadians who ae defensive about this.

please, enlighten the uninformed.

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yeah April 10, 2006 3:05 PM

The seal hunt has been attacked for decades now. The funny thing is very few Canadians even participate, and by protesting like they are is only turning people from them, and thus towards supporting the seal hunt. By attacking Canada for this, many Canadians feel defensive, especially those who know sealers.  If they would take a more civil approach, they could convince more people to support them. In my opinion anyway. You catch more flys from honey after all....  [ send green star]
 
Cause "de jour" April 10, 2006 2:26 PM

It is en vogue to be a seals rights activist and to make Canada out to be a nation of clubbers and killers.

One of my favourite musicians will not be coming to town this tour because the ARA that he is won't allow him to tour Canada.  Even if he had decided otherwise, he would be blacklisted by these people.  So Morrissey just goes with the party line, as does everyone else.  They wouldn't want to get fired or see record sales plummet.

Political correctness and media prejudice have made this an almost non-debatable issue.  People who are for, example, the baby seals just get into tirades and blather on till you have no choice but to dismiss them.

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