CLICK! Becoming a Feminist. When Did it Happen to You? (Member Comments #2)
FROM CINDY: Our interview with J. Courtney Sullivan about her book CLICK! evoked revealing, heartfelt and very moving comments, so we’re going to post them in groups of ten. Add yours to the post and it will be featured here too. (Full disclosure: I know and admire Courtney and we share an alma mater - many years apart though!)
In addition to what I said previously: I think that getting militant and forming groups with labels to fight about it isn’t going to work any better than it did in the 60s. It just gave women a reputation for being butchy, bitchy, and pushy. The women with ability will shine through the fog and be noticed. Then it’s up to each individual woman to stand up for her own rights and make her own fair demands. WOMEN have to learn to speak up for themselves because all the groups in the world will not help a woman who THINKS she is a victim and needs a lynch mob-like group to do her fighting for her. Marilyn D.
Identifying with a group and using labels can hold you back. When you’re being the very best HUMAN you can be, and doing your best at what you do, it won’t matter what gender you are. Palin should go back under the rock from whence she came. Marilyn D.
“You’ve come a long way, baby,” and a lot further to go. Chrystle A.
Almost forgot, thanks for the article Quanta Kiran
@ Sue you are very lucky. I work in a male dominated industry and have to put up with a lot of chauvinism. When I first started, I was forced to climb an 80m tower to prove I wasn’t afraid of heights. The reasoning used: well men go up and get afraid; one guy needed to be rescued so since I am a women I am more likely to be afraid. Some women get more of the BS than others and it’s definitely more in industries where men are more predominant. You also get the boys clubs that cover each other’s butts. Quanta Kiran
Having been part of the Women’s Liberation Movement I always found the term “Feminist” offensive. It seemed to me a term that either emasculated men or referred to women who were pandering to men…neither of these things were what my view of what I believed in was….or is. Here we are, two different sexual beings on the same planet who should not be opposing one another but should be intertwined, helping, supporting, advocating the belief that each is the best they can be and achieving whatever goals we have for ourselves whether they be corporate presidents or housewives. Maybe I just hate labels. The fact is that men and women are different, viva la difference but they need not be opposing one another. Women can admire men and men can admire women, equally…that’s what it was all about….equality, hand in hand, equal paycheck, equal vote, and equal choices. It was about pink for girls and blue for boys; Barbies for girls, G I Joe’s for boys; Nursing careers for girls, Doctor careers for boys; one paycheck for men a lower one for women. As the years have gone by it has gotten muddled but it is still the same for me. We are not separate, we are together, men and women, women and men, equally trying to make sense out of a world that has gone haywire. Becky Y.
@Harriet – that made me smile! I don’t know that I’d agree that you should regret it – I think what we know is that the Barbie doll can be seen now in so many different ways! There’s the young girl view of it through play, through the different things Barbie can be, to discussion of the role of image etc. And then there’s the strong history now available to look at regarding the woman who created Barbie (who was Jewish but clearly didn’t make Barbie look stereotypically Jewish!). Anyway – it’s something to think about, but I would dissuade you from feeling regret. Jill Zimon
When my daughters were growing up, I didn’t allow them to have Barbie dolls. Now, I regret it. I should have let them come to that decision on their own. Harriet J. B.
@Sue – you ask, “Is it not a person’s personal responsibility to be the best they can be whether they are female or male?” Sure it is – but in helping humanity along in being the best we, collectively, can be, and individually we can be, efforts can take the form of a movement. I’d say that feminism occupies that category of action, just as environmentalists seek to have us all take care of our planet in the best way possible. Neither (nor any movement) is an indictment of the goal (to seek to be the best) or whether someone reaches the goal of being their best. Rather, they exist as a recognition that it’s a lifelong pursuit that often benefits from being organized, even if loosely. Jill Zimon
OK….What is a “feminist? I know a lot of men. Very Very few of them treat me as a 2nd class citizen, Is it not a person’s personal responsibility to be the best they can be whether they are female or male? I find this really sad and divisive. Sue Terry
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