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Death for Gays? Not Really a Fringe Evangelical Thought

Death for Gays? Not Really a Fringe Evangelical Thought

We seem to be entering a period of exposure for extremist Christians with the latest being one Pastor Curtis Knapp of New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kansas, saying that gays should be killed:

They should be put to death. That’s what happened in Israel. That’s why homosexuality wouldn’t have grown in Israel. It tends to limit conversions. It tends to limit people coming out of the closet. — ‘Oh, so you’re saying we should go out and start killing them, no?’ — I’m saying the government should. They won’t but they should. [You say], ‘oh, I can’t believe you, you’re horrible. You’re a backwards neanderthal of a person.’ Is that what you’re calling scripture? Is God a neanderthal backwards.. in his morality? Is it his word or not? If it’s his word, he commanded it. It’s his idea, not mine. And I’m not ashamed of it.”

Of course Knapp was later interviewed by CNN and of course he claimed that he was misunderstood. But, of course, his own words tripped him up as he said:

We punish pedophilia. We punish incest. We punish polygamy and various things. It’s only homosexuality that is lifted out as an exemption.

Such ideas are not fringe to those Christians who call themselves reconstructionists, meaning that they want the equivalent of Sharia law, a return to Old Testament law, and dominionists, who want to install a theocracy by stealth (again mirroring the much quoted idea by anti-Islamists from Islam that you can lie and deceive to achieve God’s purpose).

Someone like Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association has argued openly for America law to be “bible based” and has called for homosexuality to be recriminalized, though has been careful to avoid calling for execution.

In a number of instances, the links between those explicitly calling for the death penalty for gays and very mainstream religious right figures have surfaced.

Last December, Ron Paul was discovered to be touting the endorsement of “Eminent Pastor Rev. Phil Kayser, Ph.D.” Kayser is the pastor of Dominion Covenant Church in Omaha, Nebraska, and supports the death penalty for gays, delinquent children and adultery. Paul’s campaign later removed the endorsement from his website.

George Grant, a well-known reconstructionist, was the co-author for Mike Huckabee’s 1998 book, “Kids Who Kill: Confronting Our Culture of Violence.” In the book, Huckabee and Grant lumped homosexuality with pedophilia, sadomasochism and necrophilia as “institutionally supported aberrations.” Grant has called for the execution of gays.

Glenn Beck’s “Black Robe Regiment” was an effort to get pastors and religious leaders to take a stand on political and cultural issues. It included another Pastor ‘out’ for killing of gays, Steven Anderson from Tempe, Arizona.

Then we have the ties between Michele Bachmann and a ‘hard rock ministry’ in Minnesota which broadcasts from the very mainstream conservative Heritage Foundation. It says that countries that execute gays are “more moral” than America. Bachmann has ignored calls to disassociate from that ministry.

The now viral video of a four-year-old boy at the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle in Greensburg, Indiana, singing “Ain’t no homo’s gonna make it to heaven,” where the congregation leap to its feet in shouts and applause, may have shocked some, but the point is this is not isolated.

Greensburg is where 14-year-old Billy Lucas killed himself because he was perceived as being gay and that community banded together for a massive cover-up. That led Box Turtle Bulletin to call Greensburg America’s Ugliest Town, but it is far from the only place where murderous hatred is the norm.

Writing about the death penalty call from Knapp on Glenn Beck’s Blaze website, Billy Hallowell says it is “almost unbelievable.” Unfortunately, it is completely believable — you just have to look at some of the comments underneath his post.

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8:46AM PST on Feb 10, 2013

Good morning Pat.

I agree with you, with one exception:

We should have all the "pro-lifers" carry out the executions, because they already feel comfortable with murdering people that have already been born (it is only the ones that have yet to be born that they a problem killing).

Why is it that the same crowd of people that are fighting right now to keep their machine-guns, are the same people that will murder an abortion doctor (and believe in the death penalty and suggest killing all the Muslims or Gays)??? Just a coincidence, maybe??? I think not! This is the same crowd that is always looking for another war to get our troops involved in as well... DO YOU SEE A PATERN DEVELOPING HERE??? The term "pro-life" is actually code for : "Pro- death". How effective it is to label something the opposite of what it actually is (didn't we just see this method of madness continuously during the last election cycle)??? HISTORY (even recent history) REPEATS ITSELF...

3:44PM PST on Feb 9, 2013

The US has a culture of violence, and we'll fix that by killing gays, delinquent children and adulterers. I especially love the idea of putting adulterers to death. It would certainly thin out the Republican herd. Democrats, too, but they aren't the ones proclaiming family values and the sanctity of marriage. I imagine a fair number of preachers and other holy men.

These people are sick beyond measure. They don't have the right to call themselves Christians. They sure as hell have no right to push laws based on their holy book. Practice your religion anyway you want. But don't you dare tell me who or how I have to worship or live my life.

4:56PM PDT on Sep 25, 2012

@James C.
Religion is not being attacked.
Your personal and private right to practice your religion is NOT under attack.
What is under attack is the Right Wings Overt insistence on forcing everyone else to live their lives under laws that their Religion support or disapproves of.
First Amendment to the US Constitution if FREEDOM OF religion.
That also include anyone's US Birth Right to not believe nor practice YOUR religion.. and to BE FREE from its DOGMA.

You may think it's a sin... I personally don't give a crap !!
You think I'm going to hell... SO WHAT... I don't think so... and I personally... my faith tells me.. the Right Wingers will have a real AWAKENING when their own death happens and they actually see what's on "the other side".
I can believe what I want... You can believe what you want.
But under our US CONSTITUTION.. YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN ME... and I am no better than you.
So go to church... read your Bible... I want you to feel comfort, warmth and love in your heart.
But.. please stop being a HYPOCRITE... how about focus on the Deadliest Sin # 2 - Gluttony (no offense intended to anyone) but really... Right Wingers... Obesity and Diabetes is the one of the top killers in the USA... OH.. but you won't focus on that... it's too close to home... isn't it ??

4:44PM PDT on Sep 25, 2012

@Pam W. Communicating that you want to kill someone could be illegal under certain circumstances... it could be taken as actual treats and get the police and / or the FBI involved.
Then if found the person had actual intent and or the ability to actually carry out the act... yes.. that could be illegal.

4:41PM PDT on Sep 25, 2012

@Pat B. Exactly... that's why I personally always refer to the Right Wing.... verses Christian in general. It is more accurate. Wish everyone was such... but again... when folks art tossing out completely ignorant statements... it's likely too much to ask. :-)

4:38PM PDT on Sep 25, 2012

@Neal G. WTF? Exactly how do you support a claim that most Gays own Guns? From your statement it's hard to tell if you are supporting LGBT people or against.
But that is a RADICAL statement and then telling people to watch out for them... is A COMPLETE AND UTTER stupid thing to say.
If I had to guess.. I'd say that the vast majority of LGBT DO NOT OWN GUNS... although the ignorance and hatred in the world has made me consider it.
Remember... Gays don't need guns... according to the Right Wing.. we control the weather... we can send a hurricane or earth quake were we want. --- that of course is BS too.

5:37PM PDT on Sep 24, 2012

A lot of Christians don't hate gays; a lot of gays are practicing Christians. It's the extremists who call themselves Christian who fester with hate for gays, as well as Muslims, women (at least the uppity ones), Catholics, Jews and Mormons, and I'm sure several other non-white Anglo-Saxon groups.

5:20PM PDT on Sep 24, 2012

To be christian is to automatically be Anti-Gay. To un-christ-like christians Murderers and Rapists arent hated as much as Gay folks. Most Gays own guns and are great shots so I'd be careful if I were one of these Death Promoters. The Gays are one group you dont want to F**K with !

7:46PM PDT on Aug 27, 2012

No, Kathy....so far it's not illegal to WANT to kill someone. Not yet, anyway.

4:14PM PDT on Aug 27, 2012

Can't he be punished for wanting to kill LGBT individuals? I wish he could be. His mind is sick

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