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Former Vegans Explain Why They Eat Meat: Are You Convinced?

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Niman writes:

Every living thing, from mammals, birds, and fish to plants, fungi, and bacteria, eats other living things. Humans are part of the food web; but for the artifices of cremation and tightly sealed caskets, all of us would eventually be recycled into other life forms. It is natural for people, like other omnivores, to participate in this web by eating animals. And it is ethically defensible — provided we refrain from causing gratuitous suffering.

Noting that “only about three percent of Americans are vegetarian and 0.5 percent are vegan” and that about three-quarters of those who try vegetarianism or veganism return to eating meat, Niman suggests that, rather than exhorting people only to eat plants, ”doesn’t it make more sense to encourage them to eat an omnivorous diet that is healthy, ethical, and ecologically sound?”‘

Eating Isn’t Always Based on Rational Arguments

I can see how these arguments make sense. We are all part of a food web, an ecosystem, fellow denizens on this planet.

But we don’t make our choices about food and eating entirely based on reason; eating is a topic that is highly emotional. Our reasons for choosing what foods we prefer to eat are very much (whether we know it or not) based on ineffables like habit, preference for taste and texture, memories and associations. We may conclude that our decision not to eat meat is based on ethical, philosophical principles and, just as much, on a squeamish feeling in our stomach in knowing that the lamb chop on our plate was once an actual lamb’s leg. Eating meat may simply neither taste nor feel right. If more than three percent of the population was vegetarian and demand for chicken and pork and such dramatically decreased, could industrial-scale animal raising be made obsolete? Is it possible that so much of the population is eating meat because it is readily available?

What do you think of Niman’s, Cerulli’s and Applestone’s arguments?

For myself, I’m looking forward to a meal that’s heavy on the vegetables and grains.

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5:11AM PDT on Oct 1, 2014

Janet C stated the word ..."Dear... Flail away dear..." Hmmm, fascinating and intriguing. One thinks that Janet C doth protests too much about former vegans in particular, since it appears, at least to her and many other militant vegans, the very idea of such individuals (former vegans) existing is somehow seen as some undefined 'threat' to veganism itself and are therefore seen as The Enemy to be waged against in endless warfare-based imagery. Continuing on with the song and dance: "And Dale O's "witty" flights of fancy in her writing don't fool me a bit."

Intriguing, how some militant vegans don't appreciate wit and humour. 'Don't fool you a bit', how intriguing, not to mention the banal: "But these are the same people who agree that recreational animal abuse is a sign of anti-social/violent personality disorder and a danger to people, but somehow when that abuse is considered legal it becomes benign behavior, even "humane."

5:10AM PDT on Oct 1, 2014

Janet C stated the word ..."Dear... Flail away dear..." Hmmm, fascinating and intriguing. One thinks that Janet C doth protests too much about former vegans in particular, since it appears, at least to her and many other militant vegans, the very idea of such individuals (former vegans) existing is somehow seen as some undefined 'threat' to veganism itself and are therefore seen as The Enemy to be waged against in endless warfare-based imagery. Continuing on with the song and dance: "And Dale O's "witty" flights of fancy in her writing don't fool me a bit."

Intriguing, how some militant vegans don't appreciate wit and humour. 'Don't fool you a bit', how intriguing, not to mention the banal: "But these are the same people who agree that recreational animal abuse is a sign of anti-social/violent personality disorder and a danger to people, but somehow when that abuse is considered legal it becomes benign behavior, even "humane."

5:09AM PDT on Oct 1, 2014

Janet C, there is quite the difference between obtaining sources of food as has been done over thousands of years and violent personality disorders, but trying to compare the choice of legitimate food sources with psychopathy is an act of desperation. As Suba G says: "It doesn't matter what you eat but it matters how you treat what you eat."

Janet C alleges: "I'd done that about Dahmer and Gacy earlier because of the whiny references to some "vegan" somewhere who threatened an Inuit woman and that somehow painting all vegans as "terrorists," so that thereby Dahmer and Gacy (omnivores) must represent Linda et al as psycho-killers as well then. No one should have to explain this but when dealing with such people things can get VERY ridiculous."

Interesting how all former vegans are cast as being somehow 'whiny,' if mentioning an Inuit woman, named Tanya Tagaq who did happen to face death threats over eating seal and her selfie photo. A presentation of death threats is labelled as being somehow 'whiny.' Tch, tch, Tanya Tagaq, for being the target of death threats.

4:58AM PDT on Oct 1, 2014

Endlessly discounting all former vegans, the Theatre of the absurd continues with Janet C pontificating: "Shove a salami where the sun don't shine, Lynda. Funny how I'm so ridiculous and boring to you yet you have to spritz over all of the legitimate information I post with your attempts at intelligent remarks and dismissiveness."

Intriguing. Some purport to present 'legitimate' information while always dancing to the tune of accusing former vegans of 'applying spritz,' as some believe that only by discounting and ridiculing former vegans is the only 'true' information in town. This Caustic-drenched theme is endlessly familiar as Janet C derides former vegans with character assassinations and accusations that they are either 'questionable' or one of the favourites that is often employed: ..."fraudulent,' accusing former vegans of engaging in so-called 'dirty campaigns,' along with the rest of the militant vegan roll call of: "Recovering ex-vegans" are questionable at best, fraudulent at worst. And this dirty campaign is the worst tactic yet utilized by those so threatened by the small percentage of vegans in the world."

4:57AM PDT on Oct 1, 2014

Janet C continues on with her theme songs of: ..."nor anything else other than your continual whining and nagging about "militant vegans" and blah blah, buzz words galore. You are in fact a militant omnivore... look at you in your hate spiel against vegans awhile back where you revealed your true colors. Let loose with that again, "dear," speaking of "flailing away."

The 'Enemy Forces,' always cast as all former vegans, are endlessly depicted as those who are supposedly 'militant omnivores' (very few of those even exist, omnivores, for the most part, don't even end comments with 'go omnivore, eat steak!'). Janet C continues, accusing former vegans of being supposedly involved in soaked in alleged 'hate spiels against vegans,' (when clearly, refuting the militant band of vegans is what is being done, not vegans in general who don't spent endless time trying to disprove every experience of every former vegan. Little wonder that some former vegans are exasperated enough to say, as Lynda H did: "Put a plant-based sock in it, Janet!"

4:47AM PDT on Oct 1, 2014

Having trouble with Google Chrome, so I will re-post a previous comment that went into cyberspace by using Firefox instead. Even my inbox is messing up in chrome but Firefox shows the comment did not even make it to the comment board via Google C, so here is the comment. As for no name's contention of:

"It's the thing as is the Dale O, Frank, Lynda...same stuff that YEARS the threads of and we're sick of it!!"

Just who is that 'we,' comprised of, no name? The entire membership of Care2 with a cast of millions, or simply a handful of militant vegans who keep going on about former vegans being 'frauds,' dishonest and other baseless allegations?

Those we allegations are not exactly a stroke of genius when attempting to give the impression that the 'we are 'sick of it' is anything other than militant vegans who cannot abide by some questioning their unending allegations and attacks against former vegans.

4:31AM PDT on Oct 1, 2014

Cut off from previous comment:

Query, how does someone joining on September 23 have a comment left on their profile page. right hand side, from people as far back as Sept. 6th? Time travel is a neat thing, did you rent TARDIS? Another 'no name' had said back on Sept 8, 2014, another Say it again Sam, who had said: 'Ha! Thanks Sandra L, its been long time!! It can though both ways. Dr. Seuss rocked!"

Intriguing.

4:28AM PDT on Oct 1, 2014

Fascinating, where have we also heard this Play It Again, Sam,' song and dance before?

A 'no name appearing at: 9:43 p.m. PDT on Sep 30, 2014 warbled: "It's the thing as is the Dale O, Frank, Lynda...same stuff that YEARS the threads of and we're sick of it!!"

Interesting use of the English language presented there, dejà vu, this can either be someone with English as a second language or in some cases, those with various medical conditions who speak English as a first language, as it often affects sentence structure or poor grammatical skills if English is the first language (I did study Linguistics, so speech patterns, writing styles, etc., do fascinate me). For someone joining on September 23rd, it is fascinating how much time was spent going through all of the threads to find 'the same people' saying things 'for years,' (in screaming caps lock no less)not to mention of 'how sick' a certain select few are of it. Well, 'for years', I have also discussed issues in LGBT threads, politics, pro-choice issues and I suppose that some right wingers and fundamentalists are supposedly 'sick' of that as well as the 'same' crowd that comments there frequently as well. Query, how does someone joining on September 23 have a comment left on their profile page. right hand side, from people as far back as Sept. 6th? Time travel is a neat thing, did you rent TARDIS? Another 'no name' had said back on Sept 8, 2014, another Say it again Sam, who had said: 'Ha! Thanks Sandra L, it

4:25AM PDT on Oct 1, 2014

Interesting to observe how the stats of the 'no name profile' from Sept 8 and the new no name, are exactly the same, with precisely the same number of petitions signed, butterfly credits and green stars. What a fascinating 'coincidence'. There are other 'no names' with a name from the past with close to the same stats on this thread. Gee, everyone did not get off the turnip truck yesterday. For someone joining on 'Sept 23,' how are Thank You Notes from Sept 21, 19, not to mention the very first Thank You Note for no name stated: "...received this Thank You Note for: visiting Care2 on the International Day of the World's Indigenous Peoples! Delivered on August 9, 2014." Congratulations on the time travel, you put Dr. Who to shame. Very 'impressive.'

"We," with the generic no name, goes on about how: "we're," 'sick of it', intriguing as is the allegation that only those on the vegan/vegetarian side of things are the only ones caring about animals. If one left out the omnivore participation in the animal welfare side of things, a lot more animals would not receive TNR and other care, such as volunteering and participating in shelters, etc., since omnivores are labelled as so 'uncaring,' by vegan militants. Play it again Sam, as the old song goes when it comes to baseless allegations that former vegans and omnivores don't care.

2:56AM PDT on Oct 1, 2014

contd; & the human animal interacts and harvests with a balance & respect of what they are provided. Try and survive in that cold climate on beans and fruit.

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