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Lady-Brains Can’t Make Their Own Medical Decisons

Lady-Brains Can’t Make Their Own Medical Decisons

Someone finally said it. We all knew it’s what they were thinking, but someone finally said it out loud. Anti-choicers don’t believe women are smart enough to make their own medical decisions. At least they’re being honest, I guess.

Who is the brave lad? Rep. Joel Johnson of Michigan. You know, the one who is trying to make ultrasounds mandatory before all abortions, even though said ultrasounds are not medically necessary. Yeah, that guy. He’s come out and said why he thinks this type of thing is so very important:

We have consumer protection laws for people who are getting loans, or buying life insurance. It requires that things get explained to them and in my opinion this is another situation where people aren’t making a decision they won’t be happy with down the road.

Johnson goes on to say that the ultrasound should be done before the woman takes any medication to make sure she is “mentally capable” of making this medical decision.

Oooooh I get it. So because we have laws that protect us from fraud we need laws that protect women from unwanted abortions! Wait…no. Nope. That makes no sense.

I wonder, does Rep. Johnson think women are inherently stupid, or does he think baby hormones mess up our lady-brains? He’s evidently OK with men making this life-altering decision on behalf of women. Maybe he thinks women are too close to the situation. You know how we are. Just a bunch of over-reaching, hyper-sensitive harpies! Only a man-brain understands that having a baby is always a joy and a pleasure and that all women secretly want ALL THE BABIES!!!

Really, who would know better if a woman is ready and able to bring a life into the world, a pregnant woman or a man? Not just a man, actually, but any man. Any man, either connected to the pregnant woman or not. How messed up is that? Then there is the fact that most women don’t actually regret their abortions. So the problem that Johnson is purportedly trying to solve doesn’t even exist in the first place.

Besides, have any of you ever looked at an ultrasound? They don’t look like anything, especially early when most abortions are done. I cannot conceive of a situation in which looking at a black and white squiggle would influence my decision to have an abortion. But I totally understand why it would seriously freak some women out. I mean, ultrasounds aren’t medically necessary. It’s just another opportunity for bros (and some honorary bros) to make a woman feel shitty about making the best decision for her. And if that’s the goal, then mission accomplished.

 

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3:59PM PDT on May 17, 2013

Albert, Let me try to present this with a simple analogy.

Let's say you interview at two different companies for the same position. One looks at your resume; asks about your education, experience & skills; & says you are a perfect fit based on those. The other company looks at none of that, & offers you the position simply because you are a white male.

Which one would you feel comfortable accepting? The one that placed value on accomplishments or the accident of birth?

3:52PM PDT on May 17, 2013

“I am not inferring any value to a human being based on current or possible future possibilities for that person. I am placing intrinsic value on them simply because they are human beings. “
Play semantics all you want, the fact is believers only place value on that which their majic book tells them has value. The only reason you want that zygote alive is to punish the mother for an imagined wrong and possibly torture the child just to satisfy your illogical desire to create more life to propitiate your imaginary god. If believers valued all life why is it “an eye for an eye”? Why are there literally dozens of death penalties for stupid things in that stupid book?

“The fact that someone terminates their life does not negate the value that they had during those first 6 weeks of development. It is not a reflection on them, but on the people that chose to remove that value.”

A good reflection; those women who had abortions are good women doing the right thing by removing a zygote and making sure they aren’t abused by people like you.

3:49PM PDT on May 17, 2013

Albert L. “They use it to manipulate other people, they use it as a weapon.”

Once again this shows your ignorance and insensitivity (of course I’m not surprised; you have no compassion for women or children, why have any for people who attempt suicide, typical of religious nuts). People attempt suicide for many different reasons. Usually this points to a mental illness (depression, anxiety etc.) and there are genetic factors; or their life is not worth living (homeless, physically ill).

“But those that really want to be dead are far more successful than those that are just wanting attention.”

Once again you are wrong; the vast majority of suicides are unsuccessful, regardless of the intent of the individual. This is because of a number practical factors; they have never handled a gun, they don’t understand medication, they don’t understand how strong a rope fiber is, etc. Couple this with the state of mind and the odds of success greatly diminish.

“To say that "she values a person for what they contribute" is to apply instrumental value to a person.”

Your lack of understanding is showing. She did not imply any such thing. She was comparing rapists to people who don’t rape. The fact that a person actually contributes is a bonus. She was objecting to classifying everyone in the same batch.

“I am not inferring any value to a human being based on current or possible future possibilities for that person. I a

3:24PM PDT on May 17, 2013

The anti-abortion zealots will stop at nothing. Invasive unecessary medical procedures are just another tool in their arsenal to strip women of their reproductive rights.

2:53PM PDT on May 17, 2013

Correcting some typos: :)

If the intrinsic value of a human is nothing other than being a cluster of organs with life, then ALL other living beings, i.e. animals, birds, plants, trees, even bugs; should have the EXACT SAME intrinsic value as humans, as they all are also clusters of organs with life. Yet it's you who place humans above all other life for no apparent reason. Utterly illogical.

2:47PM PDT on May 17, 2013

Albert, You keep going in circles saying nothing new. I would appreciate it if you could address all of my points rather than just your interpretation of only a few of my sentences.

For example, you state "You placed value seems to put homeless people as less valuable then say a engineer or a movie star"

Just how did you come to that conclusion? A person's value has nothing to do with money or social status, but HOW he/she treats others, particularly those who need help. This was my point all along.

Anyway, If the intrinsic value of a human is nothing other than being cluster or organs with life, then ALL other living beings, i.e. animals, birds, plants, trees, even bugs; should have the EXACT SAME intrinsic value as humans, as they all are also clusters of organs with life. Yet it's you who place humans above all other life for no apparent reason. Utterly illogical.

The rest of your points have been addressed a hundred times already. Please look back through our prior posts.

10:12AM PDT on May 17, 2013

Cut off.....
To say that "she values a person for what they contribute" is to apply instrumental value to a person. They are only as valuable as what they contribute. If they don't contribute anything, then they are not valuable and can easily be terminated. This makes human beings the same as money.

I am not inferring any value to a human being based on current or possible future possibilities for that person. I am placing intrinsic value on them simply because they are human beings. You can pretend that I put value on someone because I hope they become a believer, but that is you doing it, not me.
I'm saying that humans have intrinsic value. They are valuable simply for being human. There is not value tied to them for what they accomplish or what they can maybe be in the future. They are valuable even if they only live to be 6 weeks old. The fact that someone terminates their life does not negate the value that they had during those first 6 weeks of development. It is not a reflection on them, but on the people that chose to remove that value.

10:11AM PDT on May 17, 2013

Rainbow W.
"Obviously you don’t understand the mechanics of suicide....""

You are correct. There are those few that put a gun to their head and shoot out their brain and end up being in a vegetative state for others to care for.
But there are many that do it for the attention more than anything. I have known many people where this has happened. They use it to manipulate other people, they use it as a weapon. But you are correct. There are some that have failed when they really were wanting to be dead. But those that really want to be dead are far more successful than those that are just wanting attention.


"Actually you did. She values a person for what they contribute, not just because they are. You treat the zygote like an investment on a future believer."

To say that "she values a person for what they contribute" is to apply instrumental value to a person. They are only as valuable as what they contribute. If they don't contribute anything, then they are not valuable and can easily be terminated. This makes human beings the same as money.

I am not inferring any value to a human being based on current or possible future possibilities for that person. I am placing intrinsic value on them simply because they are human beings. You can pretend that I put value on someone because I hope they become a believer, but that is you doing it, not me.
I'm saying that humans have intrinsic value. They are valuable simply for being human. There is not value tied to th

9:01AM PDT on May 17, 2013

Suba G.
continued...

You placed value seems to put homeless people as less valuable then say a engineer or a movie star. I value them all the same because they are all human beings. One is not better than the other, where in your comparison, the one that accomplishes more is of more value.

If someone doesn't make anything of themselves, you don't place any value on them and if they died, or killed themselves, you would not morn their passing. Where as I see human beings as valuable at what ever social level they are at, I see them as valuable and worth helping in anyway possible. I don't look to see what they have accomplished to place value on them.

"Termination should not be a consequence/punishment for suffering, but a way to PREVENT a lifetime of upcoming suffering."

Isn't it interesting that you can predict the future. Because someone is in a social setting that you believe will only lead to more suffering, you justify them as "mercy killings". But you can't predict the future. You can't look forward in time and know what is going to happen to someone. You only see them as suffering, but you can't know that will happen for sure.

Even Rainbow said he doesn't want to die, but if you saw him suffering in the past, you could have easily justified terminating his life and saying that you were just preventing a lifetime of upcoming suffering. Where is he now? Is he suffering the same as he was? Must not be that bad if he is not wanting to die, right? Even if hi

9:00AM PDT on May 17, 2013

Suba G.
"Of course you equated him to criminals. Putting ALL humans in the same category means you consider Jesus Christ is the same as Hitler; Gandhi is the same as Bin Laden. "Humans" have a HUGE range."

You are correct that Humans can have a huge range. But the one thing the all have in common is that they are all human.
You are the one that is grouping people by their character or by what they do, not me. So when you group Rainbow with Hitler, that is you doing it. Not me. I am grouping them by them being human beings. Those are two different groupings, which shows us where you and I put the value of humans. You put the value of people in what the accomplish where as I put the value in the fact that they are human beings.


"Most self-respecting people would not wish to be lumped together with serial rapists, child molesters etc. just due to the accident of biology."

I would agree. But I'm not grouping Rainbow, or anyone else for that matter, with serial rapists. Because I'm saying that Rainbow's value isn't based on what he has accomplished, I'm saying that his value is based on that he is a human being.

And because he is a human being, he deserves to be treated with respect and kindness and understanding regardless of his social status or what he has accomplished.

You placed value seems to put homeless people as less valuable then say a engineer or a movie star. I value them all the same because they are all human beings. One is not better than the othe

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