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LDS Leader on Homosexuality: “Why Would Our Heavenly Father Do That to Anyone?”

LDS Leader on Homosexuality: “Why Would Our Heavenly Father Do That to Anyone?”

Although the Mormon church has been starting a new campaign of diversity and tolerance, it appears little has changed among church elders.  Although one church leader apologized recently for the hatred and bigotry spread by the church due to Proposition 8, the rest appear to have little they regret.

In fact, some church leaders are going even further to reaffirm their stance that being gay is unnatural.

Via the Utah Daily Herald:

An LDS Church leader said Sunday that homosexuality is not “inborn.”

“Why would our heavenly father do that to anyone?” asked Elder Boyd K. Packer. “Remember, he is our father.”

Packer, a member of the church’s Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, spoke forcefully during the church’s general conference about having the ability to choose one’s way.

“We can foolishly, blindly give it away, but it cannot be forcefully taken from us,” he said of free choice.

Also mentioned by church elders is that individuals need to make personal decisions, not rely on the church to make them for them.  However, if your decision differs from the church, odds are it’s the devil speaking.

“Some seek to have their priesthood leaders make personal decisions for them,” said Elder Dallin H. Oaks, also of the quorum. Instead, when it comes to personal decisions, individuals should be praying for answers themselves.

However, if the response to prayer they’re getting is in opposition to the statements of church leaders, their answer is not coming from God, he said.

“Some person my be receiving revelation or inspiration, but it is not from the source they suppose,” he said, saying that instead it is coming from the devil.

 

LGBT advocacy groups such as The Human Rights Campaign and Affirmation: Gay and Lesbian Mormons, have issued strong statements against Packer’s comments.

“Words have consequences, particularly when they come from a faith leader. This is exactly the kind of statement that can lead some kids to bully and others to commit suicide,” said Joe Solmonese, president of HRC, in a press release. “When a faith leader tells gay people that they are a mistake because God would never have made them that way and they don’t deserve love, it sends a very powerful message that violence and/or discrimination against LGBT people is acceptable. It also emotionally devastates those who are LGBT or may be struggling with their sexual orientation or gender identify. His words were not only inaccurate, they were also dangerous.”

The American Psychological Association and American Psychiatric Association have both concluded that same-sex attraction is normal and that “reparative” therapy – like the kind being advocated by the Mormon Church — is unhealthy and harmful, the HRC stated.

“Elder Packer’s remarks in General Conference were not only ill-advised and contrary to fact, but were mean-spirited and will be perceived by many as bullying,” said David Melson, Executive Director of Affirmation: Gay and Lesbian Mormons. “We see no potential for good coming from his words and much possible damage, to the church, to individuals, and to families. The LDS Church should be a source of love, compassion, and conciliation, and not of fear and unfeeling petty hatred.”

 

 

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11:16PM PST on Jan 25, 2012

God loves for who we are because we are made in the Creator's image. Take that and ...

10:00AM PST on Feb 8, 2011

Robert R. "You can keep the word SINNER for yourselves but MARRIAGE is for all: Equally!"

WOW! Kudos, Robert, you rule!

10:49AM PDT on Oct 26, 2010

"Member contributions: over $20 million
Church contributions: nearly $190,000 (about 1%)
Living with exaggerated estimates for years to come: priceless :)

Based on the donation quotas we set for each unit in California, I'm estimating that we aimed for over $30 million, but some members fell short or did not wish to contribute. Yes, some "rogue" voters donated as well (roughly $2.5M from Utah - probably all LDS), but nothing was solicited for Prop. 8 outside of California. At the risk of sounding like John McCain, it was "not the policy." But even if we just accept the blame for all of it, that's still 88% from in-state Mormons."

Just to point out in your words that may be cloudy and need to be made clear: The Church of LDS was the CONDUIT, a way for individuals to hide behind a wall so as not to be identified. The Church still stands behind the belief that it is okay to "Protect" the privacy of its donors in order to protect them for retaliation. As we have seen through scriptures Jesus wasn't afraid of retaliation, he believed that promoting his beliefs and spreading the word of God openly was the only way he would be respected and accepted.

10:26AM PDT on Oct 26, 2010

"Good point there, Robert, though I still have to contend that we were standing on principle, fighting over a single word. Yeah, it sounds silly to a lot of you, but it mattered that much to us."

EXACTLY.... You have made my point Perfectly.

Now take that back to your leaders of LDS and show them, We are both fighting over ONE WORD. This word IS NOT the Churches word exclusively. It belongs to all of use.

You can keep the word SINNER for yourselves but MARRIAGE is for all: Equally!

4:41AM PDT on Oct 26, 2010

"Good point there, Robert, though I still have to contend that we were standing on principle, fighting over a single word."

Hiding behind a "word" is no justification for bigotry. Jesus himself stated not to oppress others. As past history shows, separate is not equal. I mean, why pour millions into something that eventually will become the norm? You can't stop the inevitable. It will be a matter of time before these views changed, just as racial discrimination, slavery, and the subjugation of woman ended. Majority of the under 30 population supports gay marriage, and those under 18 in some areas support it by 80-90%. The problem with your view, though i still respect it, is that it is devoid of logic. Science supports homosexuality. Nature supports it. Even God supports it when you interpret the Bible properly. Psychology supports it. The medical field supports it. The younger generations all support it. Any opposition will only delay it slightly, but in the end, facts always wins, and discrimination always loses ^_^

4:36AM PDT on Oct 26, 2010

"That includes fornication, adultery, homosexual relations, and unjustified divorce. "

This proves my point again that you're picking and choosing. What about those that wear mixed fabrics, that steal, that lie, that look at woman lustfully (probably 99% of the male population), etc. Why not excommunicate them as well?

"There are lesser degrees of discipline, known as disfellowshipment and probation, and every possible effort is made to examine the sinner's intentions and minimize the penalty."

Biblical wise, homosexuality is not a sin. Also, yourself have stated that you feel homosexuality is not wrong. So why would this be a greater sin? The logic is what fails here ^_^

"He emphasized the Ten Commandments"

Murderers, thieves, etc all can get married. So where is the push to stop their marriage rights? Why focus on something that you stated yourself is not wrong and natural? We can't go in a circle here, because every logical fallacy is an opening for my arguments.

4:30AM PDT on Oct 26, 2010

"At the risk of sounding like John McCain, it was "not the policy.""

It's not the policy, it's the fact that your church contributed to condone discrimination, which God is against :)

"By your standards, even Christ was guilty of that."

Whether or not Christ is also guilty of that, is irrelevant. What i was stating is your church is picking and choosing parts of the Bible for what you want to believe in. If someone jumps off the cliff, are you going to jump off the cliff too? If you are going to discriminate against gays, you best be discriminating against divorcees, etc, otherwise it proves my point of hypocrisy displayed. It's this very hypocrisy why many of the younger generation are no longer religious. Though imo, that's not a bad thing ;)

8:18PM PDT on Oct 25, 2010

Good point there, Robert, though I still have to contend that we were standing on principle, fighting over a single word. Yeah, it sounds silly to a lot of you, but it mattered that much to us.

As for actual rights, we never lifted a finger to oppose civil unions, which grant every right to couples that the state can give them, and we would not do anything to oppose them on a federal level either.

5:46PM PDT on Oct 25, 2010

"Just to clarify further, excommunicated members are still allowed to attend church and congregate regularly. In many cases most other members are not even aware of the person's status."

This is the crux of our position, Keep the LDS point of view within the walls of the LDS Church. We are not here to infiltrate your Church, We are your neighbors and you may not even know it. If the Church say we are sinners because we love then so be it. We will ask our God to forgive our sins. But in the eyes of our Government and outside of the Church we expect to live our lives to the fullest. WITH OUT DISCRIMINATION!
Just as Jesus was thought to be wrong when he first began, People came around and accepted his views. Just as the Gay Community asks for our views to be respected,we do expect to live in a world with tolerance. You state that "Church contributions: nearly $190,000 (about 1%)" , Even $1.00 is wrong and our Country has made this perfectly clear.

5:19PM PDT on Oct 25, 2010

Just to clarify further, excommunicated members are still allowed to attend church and congregate regularly. In many cases most other members are not even aware of the person's status.

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