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National Defense Authorization Act Goes To President Obama

National Defense Authorization Act Goes To President Obama

On Thursday the Senate sent the National Defense Authorization Act to President Obama who lifted his veto threat after it became clear that the final bill had broad bipartisan support.

The bill, if signed, would create a legal basis for the detention of suspected Al Qaeda terrorists and their allies. It also would require military custody for foreign terrorists who attack the United States. The bill favors military trials for suspected terrorists, subject to a presidential waiver and extends for one year the ban on moving detainees from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba to the United States.

Despite earlier claims that the bill would allow for the indefinite detention of US citizens, thereby eradicating constitutional habeas protections, the final legislation states that nothing in it may be “construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States. That point would be better received if the law around holding US citizens as enemy combatants was clearer.

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif) was among those opposed to this bill and said she would introduce legislation to bar indefinite military detention of US citizens in all cases.

President Obama’s embrace and support of the expanded executive power and war detention mentality is likely more damaging than it’s creation under the Bush administration. That’s because it shows no real difference between Republicans and Democrats when it comes to the erosion of civil liberties.

 

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4:39PM PST on Dec 21, 2011

Continued below:

In my opinion, at the rate of decay, I am unsure how long we will be able to restrain the many militias. I met with some of them, recently. In their words, they are preparing to wage war, I do not doubt their words, Despite our efforts to persuade them to stand down, they went on to state that they are actually ramping up their effort. God save us.

4:36PM PST on Dec 21, 2011

Redgie, I have come to see that you are not an adversary, this is pleasant news and as you may well know, there are people who come to squat on an article and distract, while they inject the caustic agenda. At first, it appeared to me that you were one of those people, thanks for proving wrong, my many suspicions.

As you well know, to enter into a plan, as you suggest, to that engage on all fronts simultaneously, is bound to fail, yet there are exceptions. In reference to exceptions, that would require an overwhelming advantage, logistics, supply and man power, this seldom occurs in history. I suppose that you are familiar with The Art of War, Sun Tzu.

My place in all of this is education, to work to help the average American to come to a place where the once again realize that they have voice.

Currently, there is little resistance to further attachments to the National Defense Authorization Act., this makes it easy for the power elite to realize a favorable passage of a yearly revision of a standing Bill, no matter how draconian the insertion.

They need to be striped of such a privilege, education is merely a step, one that creates a voice, which has been systematically taken over the past 10 Years.

In my opinion, at the rate of decay, I am unsure how long we will be able to restrain the many militias. I met with some of them, recently. In their words, they are preparing to wage war, I do not doubt their words, Despite our efforts to persuade them to stan

12:22PM PST on Dec 21, 2011

Michael,
My posts have nothing to do with trust, they are about recognizing facts.
At the end of the day, I would say the greatest difference between us is one of strategy. I prefer to examine the battlefield and make strategic surgical strikes. You apparently prefer engaging all fronts simultaneously in all out war, and let the battlefield dictate your strategy.

Oh, and in case you hadn't noticed, I am anything but silent.

5:51PM PST on Dec 20, 2011

Redgie, A though occurred to me. You are a person who would like to trust, this is a good thing.

At the end of the day, we are much the same, the only difference; I am pro-active and you, Redgie are passive.

It is good to be passive, Mahatma Gandhi taught passive resistance, as did others, let me leave you with an example.
_____________________________________________________________________________

When the Nazis came for the communists, 
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
 I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
 I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews, 
I remained silent; 
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me, 
there was no one left to speak out.

5:49PM PST on Dec 20, 2011

Redgie, A though occurred to me. You are a person who would like to trust.

At the end of the day, we are much the same, the only difference; I am pro-active and you, Redgie are passive.

It is good to be passive, Mahatma Gandhi taught passive resistance, as did others, let me leave you with an example
_____________________________________________________________________________

When the Nazis came for the communists, 
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
 I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
 I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews, 
I remained silent; 
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me, 
there was no one left to speak out.

.

2:26PM PST on Dec 20, 2011

Continues from below:

The revised Bill would allow for waterboarding. Why is it we have to revisit a subject that has been condemned in the past, as International Rights Violation.

Finally, as the ACLU points out, you won't have any trouble booking an expert talking head who will tell you how dangerous and counterproductive the National Defense Authorization Act is: "The Secretary of Defense, the Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the FBI and the head of the Justice Department’s National Security Division have all said that the indefinite detention provisions in the NDAA are harmful and counterproductive."


2:25PM PST on Dec 20, 2011

Redgie C, Yet, you fail to recognize, Obama came out against the 2012 revision of the Bill, because it does include a provision for Indefinite Detention, otherwise, he had threatened to have it sent back.

It seems that 4 heads of US Intell groups have found it provisions, the ones earlier cited as "harmful and counter productive." No act can be so described which is no

I, for one, would be interested in hearing an explanation of the following, "INCLUDING ANY PERSON WHO HAS COMMITTED A BELLIGERENT ACT." Redgie, Ask yourself this question. How many times have you said, words similar, "That fellow sure was acting belligerent." or it what they would wish to state, "A person engaged in a war or conflict, as recognized by International Law.

The International Law and the Preemptive Use of Force Against Iraq.

An act of self-defense is that form of self-protection which is directed against an aggressor or contemplated aggressor. No act can be so described which is not occasioned by attack or fear of attack. When acts of self-preservation on the part of a State are strictly acts of self-defense, they are permitted by the law of nations, and are justified on principle, even though they may conflict with the ... rights of other states.

Such a preemptive attack by the US proved baseless, and yet the US pursued the easy lie, that they believed that Iraq was in possession of WMD's.

The revised Bill would allow for waterboarding. Why is it we have to revisit a subject that

7:26AM PST on Dec 20, 2011

The National Defense Authorization Act is an annual appropriations bill that provides funding for all US Military operations. Our President and members of Congress are under immense pressure to pass this bill in a timely manner.

The current bill, funding fiscal year 2012, contains language that requires military detention of captured terrorists and combatants. This language was introduced despite many objections in Congress that the NDAA is an inappropriate vehicle, and despite objections from the Secretary of Defense and Directors of our Intelligence agencies that it actually weakens our defense capabilities.

NDAA 2012, in its final form, contains language at 1031(e) and 1032(b) that specifically exempts US citizens from the provisions of this bill. This does not go far enough! Existing law can still be applied to authorize the indefinite detention, without trial, of US citizens.

Senator Mark Udall (D CO) has introduced The Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011 to specifically exempt US citizens from indefinite detention under existing law. See coloradoindependent.com/108247 for more info. Please contact your Senators and Representatives to alert them to this legislation, and encourage them to support it.

5:39PM PST on Dec 19, 2011

For any of who what you have read, have a look at the words of the very people who would best benefit for this Act:

Finally, as the ACLU points out, you won't have any trouble booking an expert talking head who will tell you how dangerous and counterproductive the National Defense Authorization Act is: "The Secretary of Defense, the Director of National Intelligence, the Director of the FBI and the head of the Justice Department’s National Security Division have all said that the indefinite detention provisions in the NDAA are harmful and counterproductive."


3:01PM PST on Dec 19, 2011

Redgie C, This should b viewed as the 4th post below:

As you well know, this sank the nation into an era of great suffering and losses, many people came to a place where they would realize the loss of their home, others would lose their jobs, their benefits, their very future became uncertain, others came to realize that a 0 was wiped away from their economic worth.

The timing was perfect, a nation running scared, frightened about as to an uncertain future, still shell-shocked from their losses, they were suffering from a "crisis of priorities." It was time to launch the next act in their play, who was there to stop them. The Democrats, never, they would appear unAmerican. After all, remember the words of Geo Bush, "Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists." Once again, the Democrats have no voice, they have to follow the Republican lead.

By now, they, the Democrats have become of the people, beaten, war weary, they never were very strong anyway. This time was decided get go for all the toys on their wish list.
Infinite Detention, as cite in their own work, INCLUDING ANY PERSON WHO HAS COMMITTED A BELLIGERENT ACT, this as cited in their final draft, which includes American citizens.

So, we could go on discussing the time and place where America will magically awaken to Sept 10, 2010 or they will come to finally face the dim fact, this is their reality, slavery.

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