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Needs of the People Vs. Needs of the Catholic Church

Needs of the People Vs. Needs of the Catholic Church

On November 21st, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops met in Baltimore to discuss the changing world and how the Church may (or may not) fit into it.†The agenda on the table included gay marriage and contraception.

Clearly the changing political climate is a reflection of changing social attitudes.†Thirty years ago, the issue of gay marriage was not even in the voting polls. The bishops are coming together to figure out how this climate will affect the tolerance levels of Christianity.

A top concern for the bishops are religious exemptions within the states that recognize same sex marriages.† The state of Illinois stopped working with Catholic charities in foster care and adoption cases because the Catholic charities refused to recognize same sex civil unions or marriage as viable options for the children, thus depriving them of homes and safe places.

Health care is another concern.†Obama’s heath care policy has a mandate that private insurance companies pay for contraceptive services. People wishing to be exempt from this are required to request a religious exemption from the bishops.

These are but two issues that the bishops are trying to address within the modern world while still maintaining the integrity of the Church.† The President of the Bishop’s Union, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan, met with President Obama to try to hammer out these issues. The meeting resulted in tension between the two.

The concentration on religious freedom comes because the bishops believe in preserving the religious identity of Catholic colleges. They also want to publicly call out Catholic politicians and voters who donít follow church teaching on abortion, and say this is the way to preserve the integrity of the Church.

Steven Krueger, national director of Catholic Democrats, told the Washington Post that the meeting was just one more way the Church is removing itself from the people and hiding behind doctrine.

Traditionally, social justice has been a core tenet of the Catholic Church, but a meeting to uphold religious doctrine seems to go against the needs of the people and the changing society.† I am unsure if this is a wise move by the Catholic Church.

 

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2:18PM PST on Dec 3, 2011

(cont.) allowed to marry and have the same rights as heterosexual couples. They are trying too influence the government and politics to their point of view, to their side like Catholics or any other group tries to convince, influence government to their side and point of view. Are they trying to force their hegemony on other people through government or politics?

You also say, "As for "hate the sin not the sinner"? It's a lovely mouth-piece with little sincerity." That is not true since I and other Catholics have gay people as friends that we treat no different from straight people. We do not dislike or hate them and we do not look down on them. We do not agree with their lifestyle but we can still like and be friends with them. Therefore, your statement is incorrect.

2:16PM PST on Dec 3, 2011

@ Gina. ... You say, "So why don't you just say that homosexuality is the wrong choice for YOU instead of claiming it is for everyone?"

Homosexuality is a wrong choice for me but Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Jews, etc. believe that God says homosexuality is wrong period. Wrong for everyone. Since that is what certain religions believe, they say everyone has a free will and can choose to believe this or not, to follow this or not, so they will not say homosexuality is wrong for me but ok for you. There are non religious people who also feel that homosexuality is wrong and it has nothing to do with God or religion for them. It is their own belief as to what they feel should be. I personally feel that homosexuality is wrong and express that but if anyone is a homosexual, that is their life. Their free will to live that lifestyle.

You also say, "but you and people like you have NO RIGHT to force your hegemony on other people through government or politics. Catholics, Christians and other religions know that God gave everyone a free will to live their life as they wish. It is not forcing our hegemony on other people through government or politics but rather telling government our belief and trying to get those beliefs implemented. We can not force government or politics to do anything. Government will choose to do what they think is right whether it is in agreement with Catholics or not. It is like the gay community protesting to the government that homosexuals should be

1:53PM PST on Dec 3, 2011

Charles D.

You say "The Church does not try to ignore the teachings of Christ but rather explain and teach and spread the teachings of Christ by the Mass, reading of the Gospels,..." Yet "The Church" and other Christian factions are very politically involved in financially supporting and promoting governmental policies that deny basic rights to the GBLT population and women as well. History certainly shows how us just other ethnic groups as well as women and GLBT have fared from Christian generosity. Let's see... the burning times, eradication of indigenous tribes in the "Americas" when they refused to be assimilated and enslaved. Meanwhile, rapists, pedophiles, abusers, murderers and thieves are "forgiven" in confession and not reported to law enforcement. The good old revolving door of I can do whatever I like so long as I claim to give myself to Christ at my last breath".

So why don't you just say that homosexuality is the wrong choice for YOU instead of claiming it is for everyone? Christian-coat your bias anyway you like, but still what you write is judgemental and derogatory to groups of people you separate yourself from. I suppose you consider yourself "God-like or Christ-like" from the writings you've submitted here. You are free to follow what you like but you and people like you have NO RIGHT to force your hegemony on other people through government or politics. As for "hate the sin not the sinner"? It's a lovely mouth-piece with little sincerity.

8:35AM PST on Nov 30, 2011

To blanket an entire anything is unfair. What I am saying is that to Catholics, other religions, other people (even some atheists), homosexuality is wrong. That is what is being blanketed. Hate the sin, not the sinner. There are plenty of homosexuals who are loving, intelligent, nice people who contribute towards society as are other people who are loving, intelligent, nice etc. There is no confusion. Whoever feels homosexuality is wrong, needs to stand by their belief but still be open to listen to the other side. People change their minds, so as a person may change their mind about homosexuality being wrong, homosexuals also need to listen to the other side, since they to, may change their mind. It works both ways. It is not me who objects to someone's romantic/domestic/love life. It is the belief that God says homosexuality is wrong. God is the only judge. Not me, not priests, not Catholics, not the Catholic Church, not other religions, not other people. All Catholics and other religions do, is read and learn what God says is right and wrong and then use that as to how to lead one's life. My gay friends do consider me to be a friend since I treat them as I do my straight friends. No different. I treat them as equals. They know I do not agree with their lifestyle but they know I do not look down on them or dislike them.

7:18AM PST on Nov 30, 2011

"To blanket an entire religion or church is unfair." But you won't hesitate to blanket an entire group of people's domestic/romantic/love life (however you want to say it) as wrong as stealing or killing. Are you really so confused you can't see the difference between harming another person by taking his/her pocessions or his/her life and being in love with another adult person who happens to be the same sex? Or do you just have selective blindness?

And really who are you to object to someone else's romantic/domestic/love life? I seriously doubt the gay people you know consider you to be a friend.

1:15PM PST on Nov 29, 2011

Why the heck anyone still arrogates moral authority to the National Council of Child Buggerers is beyond me.

10:04AM PST on Nov 29, 2011

"There are things that are wrong that are as much a part of nature and the natural world but that does not make them right."

Except stealing and killing are human behaviors that are learned and people can be taught not to do them. People don't learn to be gay, people don't wake up one morning and decide whether they're going to be gay or straight. *That* is nature. Others, including the church, have been teaching people how to not be gay for centuries. It hasn't worked, though - gay people are born every day.

There is, however, something that is most definitely a learned behavior: religion. You *chose* to be Catholic, you *chose* to follow the Catholic Church's teachings that gay people sin when they act on their natures and engage in homosexual acts, you *chose* to "hate the sin, love the sinner". There is nothing natural about that. Those are all choices that you consciously made.

4:33AM PST on Nov 29, 2011

(cont.) live as Jesus said go forth and tell others about My Father and gather followers to follow Me. Jesus went from town to town to town to spread the Word. That is what Catholics do. I also see many atheists scream the loudest on here and others places by constantly saying, "There is no God. Anyone who believes in God is brainwashed and not thinking intelligently." and so on. So do all the atheists here, who constantly post as such, fit the example of are far more often than not are perfectly described by a well-known line by the Bard himself, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" (Hamlet: Act III, Scene II).

4:31AM PST on Nov 29, 2011

There are things that are wrong that are as much a part of nature and the natural world but that does not make them right. 2 wrongs, out of many wrongs used here as an example, are stealing and killing. Both are part of nature. Animals kill each other and steal from each other as well as humans do. It has been around since the beginning of time. This is not comparing homosexuality to stealing and killing. It just shows that just because homosexuality is as much a part of nature and the natural world as stealing and killing is, does not make it right. There are some things Christ-like about the Catholic Church such as the Red Cross, UNICEF, St. Jude's Hospital and charities that the Catholic Church supports like raising funds for the hungry and poor. Of course, the Catholic Church. other churches, other religions, atheists and people in general, also do things that are not Christ like. That is part of being human and is as much a part of nature and the natural world as is anything else. The Church does not try to ignore the teachings of Christ but rather explain and teach and spread the teachings of Christ by the Mass, reading of the Gospels, telling examples of today that fit the meaning of the gospels, supporting institutions like the Red Cross, UNICEF, St. Jude's hospital etc. They are not all hate filled bigots. To blanket an entire religion or church is unfair. The Church does not push anything on people but rather explain and teach what they believe is the correct way to

3:50AM PST on Nov 29, 2011

Homosexuality is as much a part of nature and the natural world as are the ignoramuses, bigots and perverts who claim it is not.

There is nothing remotely Christ-like about the Catholic Church -- or any other so-called "Christian" church that ignores the teachings and life examples of the Christ (while embracing dogma that is demonstrably antithetical to evidence-based reality). These hate-filled bigots are certainly entitled to live in the sixteenth century if they so choose; they are NOT entitled to push their brain-dead garbage on anyone else, particularly in a secular nation as the U.S. was founded to be -- and remains.

Again, those who scream the loudest and the shrillest about the "ho-mo-sexual agenda" far more often than not are perfectly described by a well-known line by the Bard himself, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" (Hamlet: Act III, Scene II).

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