Tenn. Mosque Opponents: “Islam Is Not A Real Religion”

A new mosque in Murfreesboro, Tennessee has already had its share of setbacks, from arson of equipment and other vandalism incidents to a bizarre lawsuit to the city in an attempt to stop its construction.

In case there was any doubt that the real issue was people’s Islamophobia behind all of the goings on, that has now been put to doubt.  The debate isn’t about a mosque, but about the religion of Islam itself.

Via APP.com:

My God is better than your God.

That’s the dispute at the heart of recent hearings in a lawsuit aimed at derailing the new Islamic Center of Murfreesboro. What started as a zoning issue has turned into a fight over theology and the role of government in recognizing religion.

Mosque opponents say that Islam is not a real religion. They argued in a Rutherford County courthouse last week that the world’s second-largest faith, with its 1.6 billion followers, is actually a political movement.

Opponents say local Muslims want to replace the Constitution with an Islamic legal code called Shariah law.

Joe Brandon Jr., a Smyrna, Tenn., lawyer representing a group of mosque opponents, argued that the proposed mosque is not a house of worship. He said the Rutherford County Planning Commission erred when it approved the mosque.

Brandon wants an injunction stopping the mosque.

“Shariah law is pure sedition,” said Brandon in his opening statement Monday.

Using the non-existent threat of Shariah law in this country is becoming more and more widespread, egged on by political challengers, and even entire states. And in Tennessee, the site of the proposed mosque, one of those advancing the notion that Islam is not a religion is the state’s own Lieutenant Governor:

Ron Ramsey, the lieutenant governor of Tennessee, has been criticized by an Islamic leader for questioning whether Islam is a cult and if the world’s second-largest religion is eligible for protection under the U.S. Constitution.

During a campaign stop in Chattanooga earlier this month, Ramsey, a Republican candidate for governor, said, “You could even argue whether that being a Muslim is actually a religion, or is it a nationality, way of life, cult or whatever you want to call it.”

“Now certainly, we do protect our religions, but at the same time this is something we are going to have to face,” Ramsey said.

Ramsey’s comments, which were recorded on video, were made as he answered a question about a proposed mosque and Islamic community center in the town of Murfreesboro, The Associated Press reported.

“Now, you know, I’m all about freedom of religion. I value the First Amendment as much as I value the Second Amendment as much as I value the Tenth Amendment and on and on and on,” Ramsey said. “But you cross the line when they try to start bringing Sharia Law here to the state of Tennessee, to the United States. We live under our Constitution and they live under our Constitution.”

If this is what is happening in Tennessee’s political discourse, it is any wonder this sort of frivolous lawsuit is occurring, too?

 

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292 comments

Linda H.
Linda h6 years ago

mara, you still haven't told us what you want all these muslims to do to make you personally happy. 1.5 billion. Come on do some homework yourself. What is it you want from all these people? What do you think your badgering will accomlish? You don't even live where you claim on your page.

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Mara S.
Mara S6 years ago

Lindsey,

Masood is parading some sex scandales within churches.
I balanced him a little ! Gave him home-work .. :)

This is a new tactic used by muslims as a way to discourage anyone to criticize islam for ... as you put it

"""unjust and/or irrational formal tenets ""

that explicily harm Non-muslims .

You are right. ALL humans commit sex crimes.
Free societies point fingers at the evil behind it.
Islamic societies Hash-Hash all about.

And jail women in their own homes... To be protected of course.

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Lindsey DTSW
.6 years ago

There are sex-abuse incidents involving clergy of likely every religion out there (very recently and very famously involving the Catholic Church.) Since members of any faith are still human - and some will turn out to be lousy human beings.

I don't like Islam (or Christianity or Hinduism or any other religion); however, I don't see that incidents of sex abuse should tarnish the faith itself and all its members. The only thing which should tarnish a faith itself are any unjust and/or irrational formal tenets of that faith (and Islam, Christianity, et al. certainly have enough of those.)

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Linda H.
Linda h6 years ago

Oh Mara, you are back with your fake posts. Really I am ashamed for you. Get a real job.
Just call her a liar and have done with it. She takes up space and doesn't represent anything real or interesting.

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Mara S.
Mara S6 years ago

"Taher Din was jailed for a year after sexually molesting two young boys at the iconic building near the Clyde.

Din, a member of the mosque's management committee, had a previous conviction for indecent assault. The boys he assaulted were just nine and 10. The first sex attack took place during Ramadan, while leading members .. worshipped nearby.

During the trial, there were suggestions that officials from the mosque may have tried to cover up the attacks.

The first victim told prosecutors that when Din dragged him into a toilet, another mosque official walked in. Din left the scene and the boy told his father what had happened. The father could not bring himself to believe the allegation.

The police were not informed, and eight months later a worshipper at the mosque caught Din abusing a second child.

A doctor.., heard the boy shouting out and went to investigate. He reported the incident to a member of staff at the mosque, who told him not to phone the police. Farooq was told: "We know the guy, we will sort it out." The child's mother, however, alerted the authorities herself.

.. Failure to "disclosure" staff is a breach of the Protection of Children Act.
... going to try to change cultural attitudes that make dealing with abuse difficult for ethnic families. The issues of shame and honour.. the mosque trying to hush up what happened".

He spoke of people being "spurned and threatened" for daring to speak out about crimes against children. ""



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Mara S.
Mara S6 years ago

"""ALI Khan was sitting at a meeting in a Glasgow mosque, discussing a paedophile assault in a house of God, when he realised he had to take matters into his own hands.

A Koranic teacher had been accused of sexually assaulting a young girl under his charge, and Khan..., was sitting alongside a handful of other senior Muslim figures in the community discussing what should or should not be done with the man.

"Horror of horrors," says Khan.."what was suggested was that the alleged abuser should be allowed to remain in the mosque."

The alleged paedophile saved the mosque from compromising itself by disappearing. "How do we know where he is now?" asks Khan, still distressed about the event. "The police were never involved. It was another one of those hushed-up things."

Proof of this "hushing up" of the alleged abuse of children from ethnic backgrounds was what prompted Khan to set up Roshni, a new charity based in Glasgow. The word Roshni means light in Urdu, and the charity has as its motto the phrase No More Secrets.

From tomorrow, Roshni will campaign for the UK's black and ethnic minorities to confront crimes against children which are being swept under the carpet by shame, fear and silence.'''''

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Mara S.
Mara S6 years ago

Masood,

Do you happen to have statistics about sexual abouse, rape, violent sex crimes in the mosques? In the muslim community? In muslim majority countries ?

No? Why not?

No such statistics because islam demands a hash-hash attitude? No transparency in order to "save face" and "honor" ?

Women in muslim societies are being killed OR forced to commit suicide OR little brothers are forced to kill them if they tell...

Males have value so sometimes their plight is made known - they are not killed - like here:

http://kinziblogs.wordpress.com/2011/02/09/uk-mosque-leader-convicted-of-sexual-abuse/

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1002859.ece

'''The father knows that many Muslims would have kept this matter private.

He could have quietly moved his family to another mosque and left Shahade behind.

"Some people feel that airing your dirty laundry, the shame comes on you. No. Our family does not feel shame," he said. "If we had let him go, he would've done it to somebody else."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/child-abuse-in-mosques-lifting-the-veil-of-secrecy-1.827823

Thousands more !

In a free society people pint fingers and force solutions. Your society covers up EVERYTHING so the "face" of islam will be saved.

Shame on you ! For siding with the islamic abusers

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Masood Ahmad H.
Masood A6 years ago

Islam is a belief, it is followed more than a milliard people all over the world and even more people are accepting Islam day by day all over the world.
If we blame of some arson of equipment of vandalism in a mosque and we blame Islam and call the mosque a terrorists place, we have also noticed so many rapes and other violations of the basic human rights in so many churches, so can we call them brothels???
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2011-01-11/story/2-men-charged-child-rapes-jacksonville-church
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/29/earlyshow/saturday/main6530160.shtml
http://stopbaptistpredators.blogspot.com/2010/05/alleged-rape-cover-up-implicates.html
http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2010/09/07/pastor-rapes-pastors-wife-inside-church/
http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2010/03/08/baptist-church-volunteer-kidnaps-rapes-teen-boy/

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Mara S.
Mara S6 years ago

Wrong Arthur,

""" DEFINITION OF ISLAM. BELIEF IN GOD."""

No. A lot of people belivein God yet they are NOT muslims.

"" A MUSLIM IS SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES, OR FOLLOWS ISLAM."""

Yes. A muslim is someone that follows islam - which is ...
A Total Way of Life = Ideology

By total that means religion too...

To be precise...

A muslim is someone

-who lives under islam;
-believes in God the way mohammed wanted;
-rejects any other different way of life

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Chere W.
chere W6 years ago

I spend at least 6 months in an Islamic country, egypt, each year and I have done so for about 30 years. I have never heard of nor been subjected to Sharia Law as the law of the land. This unreasonable far of sharia is getting way out of hand. Lynx Petrson is absolutely right, "Jew, christians and muslims all worship the exact same god of Abraham..."

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