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Cows Don’t Make Milk

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Cows Don’t Make Milk

By Rebecca Carter, Co-Founder of and†Healthy Living Guest Blogger

It took me a long time to understand that dairy cows are, well, female. For some reason I just never made the connection. It took me even longer to understand that cows donít make milk.

Mothers do.

This all occurred one evening as I was nursing my youngest son. Suddenly, I understood that a cowís milk is breast milk for her baby, just as the milk I make is for my own.

I became a vegetarian 14 years ago because of my compassion for the animals. Because of this, learning about the dairy industry practices was enough to make me say goodbye to milk, probably forever.

But putting aside my empathy, I have to wonder: Does it make any sense that we are drinking breast milk from an animal?

I can imagine how repulsed my friends would be if I offered them even a drop of my breast milk for their coffee. Ironic, because it seems to me that it is more ridiculous to be pushing aside a calf to drink some of his motherís milk — milk designed to grow a massive bovine.

So after more than a decade of vegetarianism, I have shifted to a mostly vegan diet. Going vegan doesnít surprise me. I think I always knew this was on my horizon; the surprise is that it took me this long.

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1:18AM PDT on May 10, 2013

Diane: I will move on. I'm sure others reading our exchange will have much to consider, and despite our not coming to a consensus, I thank you for your time and wish you all the best.

1:08AM PDT on May 10, 2013

Sorry, Don, but you're just being argumentative now. I've stated and very clearly, there are dozens of links there to dozens of websites. I can't help it if YOU don't find the information credible...........I do, as do many others who are not being closed-minded and stubborn. I won't waste my time doing YOUR homework for you. Now, you're saying, "You've made a claim that an important scientific study that affects the health of our citizens has been refuted. Saying this in public can have serious repercussions, as someone reading your claim might believe you,"........I certainly hope so! The point is obvious that one shouldn't just take the information "as" provided in this one study as the gospel truth. Why can't you comprehend that? One has to take information from many sources and do what is right for themselves, not what one researcher found as right for HIMSELF and promotes for everyone else. Do I feel "threatened"? Not in the slightest. Do you? Please move on.

12:35PM PDT on May 9, 2013

Diane: I *have* looked for other credible refutations to The China Study, and haven't found a single one. You claim to have found more than one, and so I'm asking you for those references. The one you did give me (Minger) was one of the ones I'd actually found more than a year ago (her views can be found in the book reviews section for The China Study), and as I've pointed out, she's turned out to be a virtually null voice in the matter. It's not that "I don't like it (her)" - it's just that she is not a credible source for any criticism in the field of nutrition.

You've made a claim that an important scientific study that affects the health of our citizens has been refuted. Saying this in public can have serious repercussions, as someone reading your claim might believe you, and ignore vital information. From the tone of your last post, I sense you’re feeling threatened and are becoming defensive – this need not be so. I’m not out to embarrass you, I’m only seeking the truth for my own health and that of the community. I urge you to “be like a scientist”: when confronted with evidence that disproves a previously held position, toss away that old view like yesterday’s newspaper, and embrace the new data. “The truth will set us free.”

12:47AM PDT on May 9, 2013

"After investigating that one reference (Minger at the Weston A Price Fdn) she was found to be unqualified to comment, not peer-reviewed, seriously disputed by outside sources, and promoted by industries that would benefit from her views. If you have other better links, I would very much like to see them".........sorry, Don, but you asked for information that disputed The China Study and I provided just one link. You don't like it, and don't believe it. That's your choice. Now you ask me to provide "better" links. I'm not going to do your research./homework for you. You obviously have internet access. You can "Google" the subject yourself, same as I did. The information is there. If you choose not to read it or don't believe it, that's your choice.

12:39AM PDT on May 9, 2013

Don, it's also a bit silly to compare the "flaws" of a study when considering the health and survival of a person when trying to determine which nutritional approach to take with a "flaw" in a car which may be "minor" or not. Of course if one hears that a certain make/model car has or MAY have a flaw in the paint, that may have nothing to do with the safety of that vehicle, so you can still feel comfortable buying it. However, if you read that a large number of people were involved in serious accidents because of design flaw in the steering mechanism or as with the Toyota with it's accelerator, would you still dismiss it as a casual thing? Maybe you would. I would not. One has to take everything into consideration. With the car, is it the same make & model, same year? With the China Study, were the participants all eating the same things from the same sources as what you (or I) may want to eat and in the same amounts, did they have other factors, such as hereditary conditions, did they smoke, drink alcohol or were there environmental issues such as living near coal plants or a nuclear waste dump?

12:32AM PDT on May 9, 2013

"The basic findings of The China Study are irrefutable. If you consume a "standard" American diet consisting of large portions of animal protein, you will greatly increase your odds of having poor health, and an early death. That's all."..........selective comprehension, Don. The "standard" diet studied was that of a typical American family that eats at fast-food restaurants, eats far too MUCH red meat without any or much consideration as to the source, and other factors which make it flawed. Of COURSE the "average" person who eats too MUCH of anything is going to have poor health, with a few exceptions, same as people who eat very healthy can become VERY sick and die...........Steve Jobs was a classic example...........vegetarian and died of cancer.

In your response to my comments made last night, you only referred to the cruelty/abuse at factory-farms. Are you oblivious or just ignoring the facts that I've stated, as has Marilyn, about eating lean meat obtained from responsible, ethical and organic sources? I think you may have.

9:36PM PDT on May 8, 2013

MarilynBusy: I *was* wondering if you tried your vegetarian diet with expert help, and you did. It sounds like you and I are basically on the same diet, then. Mostly plant-based with some additional animal protein; mine is just to a greater extreme (only a few times a month, rather than a few times a week). As my favorite Vulcan would say: Live long and prosper!

5:52PM PDT on May 8, 2013

Thanks Don, but I'm not interested in reading a book promoting a veg diet.
I tried it with the supervision of a nutritionist, holistic physician and naturopath, and I got so sick that they all agreed that I needed to go back to a diet that included some meat. I have inherited some issues with absorption and digestion and meat is important a couple of times a week.
I eat only organically raised meat, and only small portions, and rarely anything but fish and occasionally some chicken and eggs, and I have kefir daily...along with as much organic fresh produce as my body can handle.
I have studied nutrition and found a diet that works for me, and everyone should do the same.

4:15PM PDT on May 8, 2013

MarilynBusy: I hear you, but I think you’ve come to a wrong conclusion based on a false equivalency. Let me explain: Because The China Study was "also funded" doesn’t make it suspect, unless it was funded by suspect sources, which it wasn't (U.S. and Chinese govts, with no ties to industry whatsoever). Also, The China Study was a scientifically conducted, peer-reviewed effort, meaning all the experiments and data obtained by it were done using the best "tricks" science has to obtain as unbiased a result as possible. Its findings were then scrutinized by other scientists (peers) to see if flaws could be found. If any were found, they could be addressed and corrected. That's what "peer-reviewed" means, and it’s through this method that science can come closer to learning reality.

Going “veg” can be a little tricky. That’s one problem I have with vegans – they don’t really say what to eat, other than “no animals involved.” You could eat/drink nothing but crackers and soda and be a vegan. Not too healthy! That’s why I like “Nutritarian,” which includes in its definition, “high-quality nutritious whole, mostly plant-based foods.”

Please don’t think I’m attacking you or anyone personally – I’m not. Get the book, read it, and judge for yourself whether you think it’s valid. It’s only your long-term health at stake.

2:56PM PDT on May 8, 2013

Well, Don, then we have to agree to disagree because I see funded studies as 'flawed' and I do dismiss them when I've had my own experience.

The China study was funded, was not unbiased and the results are biased.
NO study can include everyone, with their own genetic issues and medical issues, and there is NO study that can represent every human therefore their results do not stand to represent everyone.

I know I got sick on a veg diet and I know it is NOT right for me. I also know more people who have given up the veg diet and resumed eating a balanced diet, than I know people who are healthy vegans still on the vegan diet.
Experience speaks louder than studies and no one should take the advice of a study without considering their own health.

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