But Night Cat look at this here, the science folks don't quite believe in the quantum where I, from mystical/ magical experience KNOW it's true because it explains my experience. I wouldn't be so fast to relegate Deepak to the ranks of the mystically unadventurous, his courage in facing down the accepted scientific thought of the medical community that he was trained with to establish this whole new way of looking at life and healing shows him as a most adventurous sort and why wouldn't he enjoy playing with the same beasties we do even if it doesn't further his aims to discuss it?

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Lesley, many thanks and friendship accepted! I agree with you about trying to tell Deepak about certain things. Can you imagine his reaction if I told him some of my best pals are dragons and gargoyles? Not to mention all the lovely ghosties, gods, goddesses, loa, and others.

I love the man to bits, but sort of get the idea we'd both be classified as loonies. That's the problem with a Western education. But I suppose he'd hear us on the Eastern mystics and such.

I'm also guessing he might not dig how the same human can be straight in this realm, and anything but in the astral. Well hey, if there weren't so many perfect heavenly bodies there we'd all be astral virgins.

Uma, I agree with you about the spiritual world ending and a new one taking its place. With global communication we are evolving at an unprecedented speed.

We can now meet like-minded folks to pool energy for change. Whereas ever fifty years ago, such bonding across space and time would have been science fiction.

I'va always loved the quantums as they see things most mystics would miss. They have proof of the mystical realms, even if the other scientific bodies ignore them. I'd say it is more thasn likely that outsiders have no idea what they are talking about, LOL!

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All these comments are good. Here's one: many insist they do not dream, but it is a regular and normal part our functioning. It is and has been measureable and measured in sleep/dream labs.

All of us dream, but often without active awareness. If you like, you can do something about it, if you say you do not dream: put a pad and pencil by the bed, and read and think about dreams and dreaming, just before going to sleep.
It may take a night or two, but, most often, that very night, you will be aware of your dream - wake up and jot it down, and do that for some days or weeks, or as long as it seems right for you.
If you find you do not like it, stop the exercise and your awareness will probably fade out again.

We are all the same, and all quite different, and each of us a part of it all.

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It's fun to get folks all shook up but I sincerely doubt D.C. believes in hell except for those that fantasize or judge themselves worthy of it since it is our own soul, the eternal/god part that judges these mortal lives . I've read that even if we do throw ourselves into hell-world hallucination we get help to throw off the illusion. On the other side of now there's no dense material to slow down materialization.That's why it's best to train one's self to make a habit of acknowledging the hallucinatory nature of appearances on the other side; gods and demons, as being emanations of one's thoughts and desires. The reason you have the blessed union you do is because both of you acknowledged that you deserved it, longed for it, and recognized it. Everything that's in this world is the product of that process, on the personal, mass, and global level.If there are certain kinds of things that you never succeed with, ask your self how it benefits you not to have them. The inner self denies us those things because it thinks we would be better off without them; by asking ourselves how it benefits us not to have them we can begin the process of trying to reason with it offering suggestions of why indeed it would be good. Everyone usually has one major one that blocks whole clusters of related things. When the always irrational, and usually childish petty and mean center is defied it crumbles and it's renaissance time till your next chosen struggle .

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Ahhhh Nightkat I love when like minds think alike. Deepak sounds like my brother the holy one who thinks I live in sin and have fallen from grace. IF I told him things I see and feel he'd tell me i was going to burn in hell sure. And Uma my dreams are sometimes real so you can't tell me they aren't. I to love to boggle the minds of others that try to tell me I'm either crazy or it's not true. My wife and I are soulmates and anyone that tries to dispute that has not seen us together. Everyone that has seen us together knows it's so. Nightkat I requested to be added as a friend I hope you accept so we can talk more privately. However may we continue to boggle the minds of those around us and confuse the scientists and religious ones.

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Dear Cat of Night I do love it to when they get their drawers all in a twist about it, that's why quantum, the true child of western math and science, born from their own labs, is such a delight because it brings it all back to the same magical and mystic outlook. It's all come a complete circle and the prodigal child seeking individuation has returned home with all it's experience to where we set out from. The foretold end of the world that has been an awaited event , the apocalyptical prophesies which truly predicted the end of the KNOWN WORLD have come to pass. The world we live in now is so different from that of our grandparents that you could say it died. As the song goes "it's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine."

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This time you really are preaching to the choir, Deepak. Hear you loud and clear as I've always seen, experinced, and felt things others cannot. We do create what we experience through pure desire. Which explains why magical folk can work with Jesus, and vice versa. To disolve all the barriers and allow your cosmic will to unfurl is tp have an abundance of angels and art. The skeptical mind loves to ruin this, of course. Who needs human validation when one can see with the mind's eye all one desires?

Uma! And here I though I was the only one using lucid dreaming to attain my own ends. Science always hates what it can't contain or explain. When they do start to "get it" they tend to start sounding daft. Since they are trying to prove something without being ever able to prove it. Ah, I love driving the science set to bedlam. ;)

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Global consciousness or collective consciousness....but when someone claims their work then there starts to be problems...

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Alan The Seth material has been my most informative study since the late '70s. I too approached it, as I do all material, with a healthy dose of skepticism and an open mind.I still study it when the mood takes me, over the years it is always fresh and pertinent to me. I was impressed that every time I open those books they are new for me. The work Jane created that was inspired by the material I find different enough that I am not too attracted to it, my response to it is intellectual while the Seth material feeds my hunger for understanding the material offered. During the 20 years that I taught magic in my store Tools of Magick in S.F. it was the only required reading, to be worked on during the rest of the material of my workshop to create a kind of pressure to pop out results;in the explanations of how inner reality is materialized it is the most culturally neutral of all the material I've found and theres no doubt of Jane's western European focus. Around '78 I was visiting with my mother and we noted some of the first publicized popular quantum descriptions in a Sunday N.Y.Times. Being of the scientific materialist faith she was worried for my sanity and I remember yelling at her "LOOK WHAT THEYRE SAYING IS THE SAME" to no avail. In the descriptions of the passing of energy/consciousness/matter through micro black holes, his consciousness units, C.U.s, perform as quantomly predicted, one substance vibrating at different rates ,the All That Is.

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This reminds me (vaguely) of Jane Robert's Seth Material, in which she claimed to channel the spirit of a man and educator, aptly named Seth, and proceeded to write extensively on the nature of our existence, consciousness, and role (as well as power) in the Universe. It's all very fascinating stuff to take into consideration. I always take this type of information with a grain of salt, with a healthy dose of scepticism, but just as importantly, with an open mind, to draw my own conclusions. Whether she was really channelling another entity or speaking from her own subconscious still remains to be debated, but is fairly certain the language and mannerisms used while she was in a state of trance were not that of her own. It's also interesting to note some specific predictions she made on the nature of our physical world coencide with what we are now beginning to understand about the nature quantum mechanics as well as the emerging science of quantum gravity, particularly string theory. I would recommend anyone interested in spiritual exploration to read Jane Robert's Set Material, and take from it what you will.

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