C2: I had the opportunity to sit in on one of your sessions at Celebrate Your life, and it was fabulous. You mentioned ancient cave drawings, and that there were two different scenes in that drawing, predicting the way the future could be depending on how individuals handle things. Could you tell our readers a little bit about those drawings and how that relates to everything else you’ve been talking about today?
Gregg: They were images on a rock in northern Arizona in the Hopi reservation that is called the Hopi prophecy or Hopi map of time. And the theme is, almost universally, our indigenous ancestors have known that this time was coming. It’s like the great secret everybody knows except in the modern, technological Western world, because we no longer think of the world in terms of cycles. But our ancestors did.
So it’s on this prophecy rock in northern Arizona that one of the Hopi elders actually traced out an ancient map of life and the physical possibilities of life, but also embedded in the possibilities are references to a way of being that helps us to deal with the changes in life. And what the map was showing was that at the end of the last world age, the end of the last cycle, almost immediately our ancestors began writing to us and telling us what they just lived through, as Iím sure that we’re doing right now. We’re talking about the uniqueness of our time in history. And it’s interesting to me that the great spiritual traditions emerged out of the change from the last great world age and one of the things I questioned as an aside, I wonder what spiritual traditions will emerge from this world age and will they still be here 5,000 years from now? I don’t know the answer to that.
But what the map is showing on prophecy rock is that immediately after that last world age, they were shown two paths that people may choose to walk until the next world age. In the beginning both the paths looked very similar, but at one point it becomes obvious that one path becomes very rough, very rocky and it ends abruptly and goes nowhere, while the other path continues much longer and actually goes around the corner of this boulder and continues, and that corner is interpreted by the Hopi as being the world age. So the other path continues through the world age, and people that choose the other path live to be advanced ages and there’s plenty of food and the things they need to continue their lives. And there’s a third path that connects these two. It’s a vertical line that’s called the choice point. And that choice point, what they say is that before the choice point people can move between the two paths. They can try one for a while, and if they don’t like that they can try the other one. After the choice point they say it becomes difficult, not impossible, but it becomes difficult to move between the two because we’re so entrenched in one way of being or the other. And the hallmarks of the two paths, the path that goes nowhere is the path of comfort, greed and profit. And when I heard the word ‘profit,’ I asked the elders about that, I said ‘does that mean we’re not supposed to make money?’ And they said ‘no it’s not profit of money, it’s the kind of profit where one person benefits at another person’s expense.’ So it’s that kind, so the path that goes nowhere and doesn’t get us through the change is the path of comfort, greed and profit. The path that continues and that appears to be sustainable is the path of love.
C2: This is all so fascinating and it’s been such a pleasure to talk to you today to hear about your research, to hear about your latest book. And I know you’ll be speaking at Celebrate Your Life in Chicago in June, which again is very exciting and a great opportunity to see you live. What is the one message that you would leave our audience with, our readers with as we wrap up today about 2012 and beyond?
Gregg: 2012 is not the end of the world, it’s the end of a great world age. And I’d like to thank everyone who hears or reads this for the lives that they’re living and all that they’ve done to bring us to the point and to help us make this transition into a powerful life affirming, sustainable way of being and the legacy that we can be proud to leave for our children and for those who call us their ancestors 5,000 years from now. I think they’ll look back to this time and they’ll say this is a generation that chose really well. And I’m proud to be part of that generation and invite everybody to follow their hearts in whatever way they can to contribute in whatever way they can to make this a better world.
C2: A fascinating time indeed and a fascinating hour spent with you, so thank you so much Gregg.
Gregg Braden will be speaking at the Celebrate Your Life conference in Chicago in June 2010. This is the seventh of nine author interviews appearing on Care2 as part of the Celebrate Your Life series.