C2: There definitely is a lot of fear about 2012. There also seems to be some doubt out there that it is of any significance. And also I think, by some of the spiritual community, some hope that things might be different. What would you say to all three of those groups?
Gregg: Well, there’s three questions in that question. The first is that there’s no scientific evidence that we’re approaching the end of the world, which is what some very authoritative media specials have indicated and very authoritative people on those specials looked right in the eye of the camera and said ‘we could be looking at the end of the world.’ The truth is that no one knows for certain what the end of our world age will bring, but because it is a cyclic process and we now know how to look at the cycles of the past there’s no scientific evidence suggesting that is the end of the world. It is the end of a great world age. And by definition of the cycles it is also the beginning of what comes next, of a new cycle, of a new world age. So we could just as easily say that we’re experiencing the birth of the sixth world age of human kind, but for many people it’s more exciting to focus on the end of something, on the beginning of something.
One of the things I think is really important and very empowering to understand is that when we talk about the beginning and the end of cycles of world ages, they are marked by astronomical phenomenon. We’re talking about alignments between solar systems and planets and galaxies. And these are huge systems that move slowly over long periods of time. These systems are so huge that they look like they’re moving slowly to us. So what that means is that 2012 cannot possibly happen in a day. The alignments that we’re talking about happen gradually over a period of time rather than a heartbeat, in a moment of time. So it’s not like we go to bed December 20th in one world and we wake up after midnight on December 21st and we’re in another world.
But what the science shows is that the alignments create what we can think of as a zone of time, or a window of time when these changes are happening. And that we actually entered into the 2012 window of change right around the year 1980. And this is now 2010 that we’re having this conversation. And the zone closes right around the year 2016. So what that means, of the many things that that implies, is that number one we are over halfway through the window of time and well into the changes, whatever changes we’re going to see, we’re well into those changes. The very changes that so many people are anticipating and fearing and preparing and waiting for, they’re already happening. So we’re already living the time of abrupt climate change, certainly, and extremes of heat and cold. We’re already seeing the rise of the sea level and super storms and mega earthquakes that are wiping entire communities off the face of the earth. And we’re already seeing multiple fires raging out of control on multiple continents and diseases killing millions of people that we have no medical cure for. Those are the worst case scenarios in so many of the predictions and prophesies that we are anticipating. Well they’re already happening.
But we all know that there’s more than that that’s happening. There’s a lot of really good things happening in the world at the same time. And I think what our ancestors said to us and what we’re discovering is, a lot of how we experience this change is determined by us and where we place our focus and how we deal with the change. So as a scientist what I have to say is I’m less concerned about the physical changes in our world. They’re tough and I think we will transcend those changes because of the ability that we have to work together to converge in one place with resources, like Haiti is a perfect example. When things are bad there and the technology that allows us to do that, our ancestors may not have had that opportunity, but also it’s the willingness to work together.