Sorry Dixon but I only know of each of you what you say. I have no reason NOT to believe that Carol is of the kind that wishes and acts ill to me and mine because we don't believe like her.

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Diversity, dude, you sure do use big words.... but the meat of what you're saying is true, in my judgement. You speak of what is common to all, in terms of, if I get what you're saying, conscioussness, of being.
Now, what I want to propose is, using an analogy of being fish in a tank, that you are asking what is the water, so to speak, we're all swimming in?
What the Catholic faith believes is that we are all swimming in the consciousness of God himself; that we are all participating in the consciousness of God. Though, we are not somehow melded into God's mind, we are yet individuals with our own ability to apprehend, if on a limited basis, this mind of God. On Earth, we are disconnected, but not entirely, from awareness of supreme reality - God's mind. In terms of creation, God thought us, and all of the matter in the universe, and it came into being. We are made in his image, because we are conscious beings - like God! Prayer and meditation or contemplation is the entering into communion with God's mind, his heart, his self. That's why we are called 'children of God.' We struggle so much to understand this grand reality, that reality is actually a living being - the mind of God.
To take it one step further, we know God through awareness, through our conscience, and we become aware of God as a thought. I know something and I think it (yes, and experience feelings with it too). Hence, Jesus Christ, God incarnate, is the "Word of God."
Are you with me?

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Do we know universally what existence is, because, if we do we share something common to everything we know and everything we don't, hence to know anything significant to the credibility of all is to know a point from which to go forward, since, this is the nature of change, common to the development of all people we share a single vessel in time with, to the nature of all.

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I understand what Carol is talking about, oh dear, we are so lost, how could the value of love have become so tainted.

Equality is everywhere, humanity is no where, but, everything is exactly where it should be, if the intentions were to destroy creation to validate the power of God. Is God a weapon, are we all weapons of God and if so what was the purpose of these weapons God created in the sum of one potential to the exponential sum of everything in existence we confront in life, since, in terms of intelligence and the attribute of intelligence alienated from the common equality of freedom in intelligence, this game is afoot to nowhere significant to the credibility of anything with value, if the value of anything significant to the value of all things equal was compatible to the value of a human being, compatible with the equality of intelligence we define the higher status of human calibration by, in association with all things unequal.

Hence, what is love in it's universal definition of significance to relativity of common nature particular to all human beings?

Is the meaning of existence more important than the meaning of life, since, to know the meaning of existence, would have a common purpose to understanding the meaning of life?

Do we know universally what existence is, because, if we do we share something common to everything we know and everything we don't, hence to know anything significant to the credibility of all is to know a point from which to go

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I understand what Carol is talking about, oh dear, we are so lost, how could the value of love have become so tainted.

Equality is everywhere, humanity is no where, but, everything is exactly where it should be, if the intentions were to destroy creation to validate the power of God. Is God a weapon, are we all weapons of God and if so what was the purpose of these weapons God created in the sum of one potential to the exponential sum of everything in existence we confront in life, since, in terms of intelligence and the attribute of intelligence alienated from the common equality of freedom in intelligence, this game is afoot to nowhere significant to the credibility of anything with value, if the value of anything significant to the value of all things equal was compatible to the value of a human being, compatible with the equality of intelligence we define the higher status of human calibration by, in association with all things unequal.

Hence, what is love in it's universal definition of significance to relativity of common nature particular to all human beings?

Is the meaning of existence more important than the meaning of life, since, to know the meaning of existence, would have a common purpose to understanding the meaning of life?

Do we know universally what existence is, because, if we do we share something common to everything we know and everything we don't, hence, to know anything significant to the credibility of all is to know a point from which to g

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Uma --- I know that you have feelings. I do not believe that was her intention. But -- if you got your feelings hurt and you respond in a way that hurts, or intends to hurt, the other person's feelings, Uma that is vengful and certainly not loving or going hand in hand.

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Thank you Gerard. Jewish race, pagan soul.You are lovely and luminous and I would never fear your ilk of Christian. It's gentle souls like you that give me faith that the "People of the Book" the big three, are also loving children of the ALL THAT IS. We will go ,hand in hand into the beautiful time that is now being born. The prophets of old and more modern ones, saw Apocalypse, an ending of time, because the future they saw was a time where nothing was as it was in their capacity to imagine. People that have the ability to loosen their minds along the time stream, back and forth, can only prophesy along lines they can understand. It's like E.Cayce The Sleeping Prophet prophesying a great flood encompassing the east U.S. in the early '70s which turned out to be the Watergate scandal and it's repercussions; all the symbols are there but the interpretation was limited to the experience of the prophet. We are already reaping the benefits of technology based on a completely different world view. The transition should be as easy as passing from toddler to active child, only noticed in retrospect, but the quickening vibratory rate has an unnerving effect on some who are very attached to doomsday drama and seem to prefer disaster to change, like Heaven's gate or Jim Jones disciples they are looking forward to it and want to make it happen soon. Love is always the answer. I hope most of us will choose joy; truly the least of us will be first in importance of what will be.

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Wow, Uma - what a beautiful post! Thanks for your sharing. I feel deeply touched by it.
Dixon, Carol's postings and fundamentalist assertions made me feel uncomfortable. We must never forget that God is love and love respects people's hearts and minds. Love is patient and kind, does not take offence, etc. God knows how to approach his children. It is never at the expense of our free will. I left my faith for a long time and even practiced Zen Buddhism for 2 years, receiving training and initiation into the first 5 vows of Dharma practice. There, I found form, techique, even a faith structure, but I did not find the deep oneness of love I was searching for. In a moment of complete and utter surprise, God revealed himself to me and I understood that we are in fact made in his image (God is conscious being, as we are conscious beings). I returned to my Christian roots, kicking and screaming. I was tired of so much philosophy, arguments about this and that, but had no relationship with God. I have taken my Zen practice and made it a meeting with the unseen real of the Father. I am a practicing Roman Catholic and have had many brothers and sisters in the faith tell me what to do and believe. I talk to God about my fait. I have a wonderful love for the Jewish faith and his Chosen People. "Salvation," Jesus said, "comes from the Jews."
Uma, I'm sorry you are afraid of Christians. Forgive us our tresspasses. Your heart is very good.

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Dixon, you have admitted goble-d-goop, I have not, welcome to the light side, you are free

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Dixon:You say I'm being too hard, I have feelings too. It's hard to be so close minded that no truth is respectable but her own; she hides behind professing Christian love and concern for my future to say in an inverse way that I am less than doggie thriving on Christian crumbs of kindness because I don't like her take on God. Her concern's an expression of thinking that I and other humans like me are damned because we don't;Saying that one is damned is saying that one has no worth and can be killed. I and my people suffer from the abuse of "kind" Christians like this. In my family there are stories of my father's mother hiding in the barn attic as a child with her dog on Easter saying "don't be afraid, they don't kill dogs"; meanings differ.To her Easter is Jesus' rebirth; to us it's when they kill jews for our place in their story, that is why the separation of church and state matters to us. It makes it illegal to persecute others that we don't agree with and protects me and mine from zealots.I have no disparaging feelings for Carol's faith but righteous fear of the danger her type of thinking can mean for me. It's so nice to be able to speak honestly in the anonymity of this forum without fear of reprisal because I do believe that to enter the new age we must do so hand in hand and I hope that mutual understanding will blur the hard edges and Carol and I can take hands and go forward together in beauty. Peace and Love

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