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Sister Giant: Gabrielle Bernstein Interviews Marianne Williamson

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Sister Giant: Gabrielle Bernstein Interviews Marianne Williamson

I speak and write often about my love for Marianne Williamson, who has been offering up incredible wisdom and guidance for decades. One of the qualities I most respect and admire in Marianne is her passionate commitment to spiritual activism. Not only is she changing the world, she’s awakening us to the power of service, too.

I was fortunate to speak with Marianne recently about her activist work, and it’s my hope that her words inspire you to explore how you can be of service. Check out our conversation.

At what point in your career as a spiritual leader did you commit to speaking up about social and political change? What prompted you to do it?

In my first book, A Return to Love, I wrote about things in the outer world that need to change – how we need to ameliorate deep poverty, heal the earth, end war. For me it isn’t about politics per se: it’s about our willingness to address human suffering. Starting Project Angel Food, a meals-on-wheels program for homebound people with AIDS in Los Angeles, was action within the non-profit sector. Starting the Department of Peace campaign was action within the political sector. But what’s the difference, really? Such categories are just human constructs.  The point is to act compassionately and address suffering, wherever and however we can. I’ve never seen service as separate from my spiritual practice or my spiritual teaching.

In your book The Healing of America you write about “holistic politics.” Can you explain what this means to our readers?

When we began to embrace the holistic paradigm in healing, an entire world of integrative medicine opened up. We no longer looked to Western allopathic medicine as the be all and end all of medical healing. Trying to suppress or eradicate symptoms on the physical level can be extremely important, but there’s more to healing than that; dealing with psychological, emotional and spiritual issues involved in treating sickness is equally important. Those issues are causal elements in what creates a sickness to begin with, and dealing with them has a proven beneficial affect on the immune system. Is your doctor important, if you’re sick? Yes; but so is your therapist, your spiritual counselor and so forth. That’s why we call it an “integrative” approach to healing.

What is happening in politics today is a similar process to what happened in the medical world a few decades ago: we’re realizing that there’s more to healing than just addressing symptoms. Our primary paradigm when it comes to dealing with political and social disease is allopathic: pass a law, lock someone up, engage in warfare. And the state of the world today makes it clear that such allopathic measures have not exactly brought peace to all.

The US incarcerates more of its people than any nation in the world, or any nation in history. Our military budget is almost twice that of all other nations of the world combined. At 23.1 percent, our child poverty rate is second among the 35 developed nations of the world only to Romania! And 17,000 children on earth die of starvation every single day. There’s a lot more to those statistics than a simple “To Do” list can fix. We need to understand and dismantle the psychological, emotional and spiritual dysfunctions that led to such things. I was at a conference where someone mentioned a psychological study being done on those living in deep poverty (remember: a billion people in this world live on $1.25 and less a day). I think the psychological study that needs to be done is on the psyche of a relatively prosperous Western civilization that allows such conditions to exist! Make no mistake: such horrors didn’t just come out of nowhere, and the fact that they still exist is the product of pathological complacency and fear.

Why do you feel it’s so important for spiritually minded women to run for office?

Two things. First, I think that people on a spiritual path – personal growth, recovery, whatever – are the last people who should be sitting out the great social and political contests of our day. Why? Because they’re adepts at change; they know that the mechanics of the heart and mind are the drivers of true transformation. Now if you know what makes one person’s life change, then you know what makes a nation change – because a nation is simply a large group of individuals. We keep trying to change the world by simply moving around the furniture. We can see that this isn’t working, and people in the consciousness movement have some clues as to why.

Secondly, about women… On the federal level, 16.8 percent of our Congresspeople are women. On the State level, it’s 23.6 percent. Do you think our legislative priorities would be what they are today, were those legislative bodies anywhere near gender-equal? Would the “war on women” exist as it does now? Would child poverty – or poverty, period – be given so little attention? I like to think not. If more women wielded political power in America – real, electoral power – then we could seriously help turn this ship of state around before it hits the proverbial iceberg. But we can’t wield that power until we claim it internally. And that’s where we are now… working our way toward truly claiming our power.

In essence, we need a new bottom line. We need to shift from an economic organizing principle for human civilization, to a humanitarian organizing principle. Making money more important than your own children is a pathological way for an individual to run their affairs, and it’s a pathological way for a society to run its affairs. The children of today are the workers, creators and potential capitalists of tomorrow anyway; taking care of them today is the best way to take care of our economy long-term. Perhaps if more women joined the conversation, we would begin to speak real truth to power. Who else is going to mention that the economic emperor has no clothes?

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Gabby Bernstein

Featured in the New York Times Sunday Styles section as "a new role model," motivational speaker, life coach and author Gabrielle Bernstein is making her mark. Expanding the lexicon for the next generation spiritual seekers, Gabrielle is a #1 bestselling author of the book Add More ~ing to Your Life – A hip guide to happiness, and Spirit Junkie, A Radical Road to Self-Love and Miracles. In 2008 she launched her social networking site HerFuture.com for young women to find mentors. HerFuture's growing community exceeds 12,000 members.

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9:44AM PDT on Aug 29, 2012

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7:47PM PDT on Aug 25, 2012

Thanks

12:10PM PDT on Aug 25, 2012

excellent!! I do hope more women will step forward and be elected to public office. I am too old now and it's taken me a long time to undo my socialization as inferior.

4:50AM PDT on Aug 25, 2012

as in the words of Mother Teresa- if you cannot feed a hundred, just feed one.

3:38AM PDT on Aug 25, 2012

good thoughts / good words

3:18AM PDT on Aug 25, 2012

Thanks

1:36AM PDT on Aug 25, 2012

Thanks!

10:46PM PDT on Aug 24, 2012

As for me there is no voice of authority, except the One within every human being.. I did not see our Creator mentioned once. The Creator who made the Cosmos is the ONLY authority I know. I have communicated since childhood...I did not know it was a sin to go direct...and every problem I have faced has been solved. The world is in deep trouble...and it is not men versus women. It is POSITIVE LOVE vs NEGATIVE HATE. Our Creator is LOVE. He made us to LOVE. He is the OUR FATHER we were told to pray to. Matthew 6. I am not into organized religion, but I do look everywhere for answers. GO DIRECT. Human being don't have the answers the world needs. In 7th grade in a public school a science teacher told us something I never forgot...OMNIPOTENT (All Powerful) OMNISCIENT (All Knowing) OMNIPRESENT (Everywhere). Our Source is the only one who has the answers we need.

7:47PM PDT on Aug 24, 2012

Great article, great person. thanks

12:51PM PDT on Aug 24, 2012

Thank you for sharing !

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