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A course in finding/Being our true Self, but using Holy Spirit.

The course leads one through a process that involves undoing first, then gradually awakening to the miracle...

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I could not say more just words about power, fear and human weaknesses in my elemental English language. But I hope I can collaborate with my own harder concepts with this short description, and I also hope I'm not out of order including it here too, after being removed from one group's topics panel:
POWER is a drug and our human history is standing over superbia, fights, lust, drugs (any), and the hungriness and illness of millions and millions of poor people and animals. Those who are powerful need to show the world what they have. And many of us know that ostentation also shows weakness. People with power do not know that it would be a better business to sell to all the people in the world at least what they basically need, dignifying their lives, than continue selling weapons to keep updated territorial conflicts for non renewable resources and drugs to asleep masses, JUST FEEL POWER, on people’s starvation, extinguishable animal species, forests devastation and, our planet, terribly sick. People with power do not imagine that their weakness may become a REAL POWER if they can get their money out of a more just humanity and they can teach those who want to be like them to respect life in the deepest sense.
We all feel some kind of power and many of us act as powerful people act. Many of us make victims of these perverse human tendencies to our family, our club mates, our school fellow pupils, to persons “we consider” as inferior. Most of us do not kno

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I've found what you have all said very interesting and learned some new things as well. I've loved Rabindranath Tagore's work for a long time. one of my favorite quotes of his is, "What seems to be coming at you is really coming from you."
In regards to who said what or who did what is inconsequential to me. Which is why i like to call myself more of an atheist than anything else. What I do believe is important is the message. Like Lynn pointed out, the belief in a "power greater than ourselves." I actually think of that as a given. Science has been unfolding this for a long, long time. We are witnessing through tools that can extend our limited vision the wonders of life. We may not understand it yet, or ever. But that doesn't matter. It's definitely understood that we are more than the sum of our known parts. I kind of think of it as we're all detectives looking for that illusive smoking gun. It may not even exist but the journey sure is interesting.

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It's funny what people can read into these things. I'm an Atheist, and found no link to Christianity in Depaks piece, and yet several of you start spouting off about Christ's suffering and forgiveness...etc. This only limits your understanding.
I am in more agreement with what Lynn has said, and also Uma, who's grandmother Sophie (who must have been a very interesting woman), seemed to have thought deeply about the mysteries of life, and spoke beyond the boundaries of any given dogma.

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Sorry that got out of sequence. I'm too long-winded but some things cannot be explained in a few short sentences.

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PART THREE

Remember the parable of the talents? One steward buried what his master had given him and did nothing with it. He had what he was first given but did not do anything further with it. That’s what I am talking about. At least he had the “talent” and hadn’t lost it but what he lost was an opportunity to expand upon that talent and reap so much more. It has to be brought into the Light and not buried.

God IS Love.

Love is the true Self. Through Love all actions and words are brought into the Light for clarity and cleansing. This is salvation.

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PART ONE:

After the death of JC, there were two camps of thought and action for "Christians": 1. The branch of Christianity that is well known to all of us today. 2. The Gnostics

The basic difference between these two was that the first emphasized the cross and death of Jesus the Christ as the way to salvation. The other part for their salvation was to believe in the absolute authority of the priests, and bishops, etc. and what THEY told the people was truth from God. The "Christian" Bible was translated from Aramaic (the language Jesus spoke) to Greek and that gave another whole different meaning to what Jesus said, etc. because the Aramaic language is symbolic and not easily translated into Greek which is a more literal language. When you add to that mix the eagerness of the authorities to keep power by omitting books of the Bible that didn’t support what they wanted to be known, you have truth being distorted throughout the ages. The Gnostic books of the Bible were banned and many destroyed. Some were buried but found in the early 1900s.

The name Jesus is in Arabic is Yēšua. The name Jesus is derived from the Latin Iēsus, which in turn comes from the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iēsoûs). The Greek is a Hellenized form of the Aramaic name Yēšua (ישוע).

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PART TWO:

Regarding salvation, the Gnostics emphasized the message rather than the messenger as the way to salvation: “It is not by His suffering and death but by His life of teaching and His establishing of mysteries that Christ has performed His work of salvation.. Gnostics do not look to salvation from sin (original or other), but rather from the ignorance of which sin is a consequence…Ignorance -- whereby is meant ignorance of spiritual realities -- is dispelled only by Gnosis,”
Gnosis is knowledge or insight into the infinite, divine and uncreated in all and above all…It indicates direct spiritual experiential knowledge and intuitive knowledge, mystic rather than that from rational or reasoned thinking Gnosis itself is obtained through understanding at which one can arrive via inner experience or contemplation such as an internal epiphany of intuition and external epiphany such as the Theophany.
Do you believe what you believe because you were told that was the truth and you accepted it intellectually or have you really experienced what you know? I know people who are “Christians” who have experienced God within them but they didn’t go any further with the knowledge that was experientially available to them. They stuck with what they had been taught. Remember the parable of the talents? One steward buried what his master had given him and did nothing with it. He had what he was first given but did not do anything furth

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Uma, that is beautiful. If only more people realized that ALL his-story has the same core but is modified to fit the existing power of the day. All it takes to know how myths, traditions, and beliefs originate and are changed to fit the powers that be is a little research, which is very available today. All religions have the "perennial wisdom" as noted by Aldous Huxley in "The Perennial Philosophy", and that is the core belief in love for a power greater than ourselves and love for each other. No matter what your chosen belief is, may you walk in beauty and love.

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3 Our problem with Christians is their insistence that the sacrifice of J.C. is the only valid one, that it rewrote history invalidating all previous sacrifices and ending all sacrifices; which might have been nice for kings but since they already were using sacrificial substitutes wouldn't matter to them too much anyway.It places rites and priests control of salvation between people and divinity and obscures the understanding of the holiness of the interplay of all life on earth. My grandma Sophie,my mother's mother used to say"my child you don't understand now but the grains of sand are held together by love". We come from love, the love of our ancestors for us their future,in love we exist sustained by the loving gifts of life that fuel our bodies, the love that created all those lives it takes for our day to day survival in this world. If we are wise our love and reverence for those lives,behind and through us, rejoices the world and heavens.That love sustains our struggles to leave the world a better loving place for those that follow us. We are born in the pain and blood of our mother's sacrifice to give us the gift of life here.I wish you all great joy in love forever.

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