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Animals  (tags: animals, AnimalWelfare, wildlife, protection, environment )

Cher
- 1023 days ago - thepetitionsite.com
Supermarket chain, Lidl, is selling reindeer meat in its British stores. Aside from the horror of roasting Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer for Christmas dinner, the reindeer is an endangered animal often herded by snowmobiles and in some cases by



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Teresa W. (690)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 7:15 am
noted and already signed
 

Regina P. (79)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 8:13 am
Noted & signed. Thanks
 

Ruth S. (307)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 8:47 am
Signed.
People think that they getaway with doing harm to others, but God does exists and he will bring justice for all the innocent ones!!
 

Pia M. (85)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 9:07 am
How is the person who started this petition so sure that Lidl is selling "wild, endangered reindeer", when semi-domesticated reindeer are raised for food? There are several subspecies of reindeer / caribou, and the domesticated one, mountain reindeer (Rangifer tarandus tarandus) is NOT endangered, on the contrary (in Finland alone nearly 200.000 animals). The animals live free, but each one is owned by a herder, who also feeds them during the winter if there's not enough natural food (lichen) in the woods... Reindeer husbandry is a traditional and still quite common source of livelihood among the native peoples of northern Fennoscandia and Russia. Besides, it's more ethical to eat free-living "Rudolph the Reindeer" than factory-farmed "Miss Piggy"... (Personally, I'm a vegetarian, but it sort of pisses me off when people oppose selling some animal's meat on the basis of the idea of some fairytale creature - and in this case, on erroneous information, too. So unless someone provides confirmed information that Lidl sells meat of some wild, endangered reindeer subspecies, I consider this petition worthless and refuse to sign it.)
 

Michele Wilkinson (106)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 9:43 am
Noted and signed.
Thanks
 

liz c. (846)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 9:58 am
done
 

Constance F. (433)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 10:07 am
Signed, Thank you!
 

tasunka m. (334)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 12:45 pm
done
thanks cher
 

. (0)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 1:20 pm
n&s..what the hell is next
 

Lisa Neste (699)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 1:22 pm
Signed, thanks!
 

Nyack Clancy (435)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 1:29 pm
signed- thanks cher
 

Nyack Clancy (435)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 1:30 pm
signed- thank you Cher
 

Erin R. (169)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 1:50 pm
signed
 

Carol H. (229)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 2:11 pm
signed and noted, thanks Cher
 

Allan Yorkowitz (453)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 2:44 pm
signed. I remember this was an issue last year in England, as reindeer is cheaper than beef. Whatever, its revolting.
 

Vicky P. (464)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 3:02 pm
signed :/
Never heard of a supermarket selling deer before
 

Sylvie Bermannova (39)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 3:30 pm
Noted and signed.
 

Penelope Ryan (175)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 3:46 pm
Done Cher, TY, this is just insane, I wish the world would go vegitarian. It would stop so msuch of the cruelty to animals
 

Unnikrishnan Sasidharan (48)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 4:31 pm
~Done
 

. (0)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 4:34 pm
Signed.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 5:03 pm
signed/shared/xxx
 

Monica D. (580)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 5:45 pm
Signed.
 

ali hamilton (3)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 5:49 pm
signed
 

BarbCat SunshineLady (1646)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 6:24 pm
Signed! Thnx Cher!
 

Jessica Evans (1)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 6:27 pm
My ex-boyfriend's family used to eat rabbit on Easter! I'm sure you can understand why he is an ex now. During the dinner I was always singing the Little Peter Cotton Tail song and asking the kids what the Easter Bunny got for them to piss off the cooks and spark some guilt.
 

Mm M. (455)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 6:49 pm
OMG...I am reading this and thinking #!#!#!#!#!#!???????????????? Signed!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 7:07 pm
S & N.
 

Bette M. (91)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 7:41 pm
S & N.

Plant & protect Danny's trees for life.
Trees are the lungs of the earth.
 

Bill K. (23)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 7:42 pm
i hear Santa is pissed too.
 

Mary T. (186)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 8:10 pm
Signed and noted thanks Cher.
 

Dominic Delarmente (33)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 8:23 pm
Signed..Thanks
 

Ruth R. (219)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 8:40 pm
Noted and signed.
 

Shirley S. (174)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 8:52 pm
Noted & signed
 

Kim O. (399)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 8:55 pm
Noted and signed! Thanks Cher!
 

Julia R. (290)
Tuesday November 29, 2011, 11:03 pm
Noted and Signed! Thanks Cher
 

Pat A. (117)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 12:17 am
Green star to Pia M - I have to agree with her - and how are the Sami supposed to live if they do not sell their reindeer - are they supposed to live on reindeer moss? And what sub-species of endangered Reindeer are they?
 

Yvonne F. (172)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 1:12 am
Noted and signed! I don't know how endangered they are though. They are breed in north of Scandinavia, where peopla live of breeding them. But the way they are treated, especially, when they are slaughted that I heavely react to.
 

kye j. (41)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 1:15 am
Signed.Thanks Cher
 

kye j. (41)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 1:20 am
Excellent petition Cher and great news posting.
 

Elsie Au (266)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 1:34 am
Signed. Thanks Cher.
 

Ana R (220)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 2:36 am
Done!
Thank you, Cher.
 

Danuta Watola (1199)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 2:52 am
noted
 

Sharon T. (6)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 3:48 am
signed & noted...
 

Arild Warud (164)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 4:43 am
Signed,TY Cher.
 

Brenda Towers (0)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 5:00 am
Noted and signed.
 

Carlene V. (203)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 5:05 am
Action taken, thanks for the info
 

Joy Wong (75)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 5:14 am
Noted and signed.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 5:27 am
noted and signed
 

Alison A. (235)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 5:28 am
Signed and noted, thanks Cher.
 

Jaya Sinha (26)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 6:04 am
For every action there is a reaction. According to the law of karma, if we cause pain and suffering to other living beings, we must endure pain and suffering in return, both individually and collectively. We reap what we sow, in this life and the next, for nature has her own justice. No one can escape the law of karma.








 

colleen p. (38)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 6:06 am
goddamn Saami for eating a holiday icon. lets turn them all into vegans who work for all those veggie food companies.


(kidding, I be a troll'n)
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 6:57 am
Olivia, You signed on November 30, 2011.
Your signature has been delivered to:
Lidl Supermarket Chairman and CEO: Dieter Schwarz
#716, thanks Cher
 

Akila K. (9)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 7:17 am
signed
thanks for share
 

Elvina A. (92)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 7:28 am
signed
 

Loreto V. (51)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 7:32 am
Noted, signed. Anyway, I do not buy at LIDL.
 

CV M. (0)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 8:18 am
Absolutely disgraceful, like in Australia they still sell kangaroo, crocodile, emu meat next to the chicken and beef in the freezer. Whats next? Koala stew?
Thanks for sharing
 

Joe R. (189)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 8:44 am
Signed and noted.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 10:19 am
Go veg and safe suffering for all.
 

Caitlin G. (29)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 11:04 am
Yet another store I would never go into, starving or not.
 

Shelli S. (325)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 11:14 am
Signed, sent and noted.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 11:47 am
done
 

Dany Strakova (119)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 1:03 pm
Wie schade Lidl! signed
 

Valerie H. (135)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 5:39 pm
Thank you - signed
 

Taylor isMyName (32)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 5:50 pm
Signed!
 

Ruth McD (724)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 5:51 pm
N & S. Thanks Cher.
 

Linda B. (71)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 6:44 pm
Action taken!
 

Esther Z. (101)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 8:05 pm
Noted and signed.
 

Holly Lawrence (473)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 8:33 pm
Horrified === signed/noted
 

Rhonda Maness (602)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 8:43 pm
Signed
Thanks Cher
 

Robert Hardy (67)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 9:08 pm
Not to be cruel but there really isn't Christmas Reindeer... there are just creatures that are being killed to meet the commercial needs of grocery stores. What else is new.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 30, 2011, 10:10 pm
Supermarket selling reindeer meat?

Pardon me while I get sick.
 

leslie smith (0)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 12:25 am
God Bless The Reindeer...Signed.
 

Lis T. (0)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 4:58 am
Signed...this is heartbreaking...
 

MRS M. (1423)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 6:51 am
Insanity! I bet hundreds of hunters will crawl out from under rocks to help kill them.
 

Kimberly B. (120)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 10:51 am
Signed & noted, thank you Cher!
 

Kenya Jones (0)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 11:47 am
I agree with the fact that this animal is not truly endangered. I have also been leaning towards that these types of commentary pages are not truly informed. I know that this creature has many sub species that are listed for anyone to read. I also believe that signing this petition would be a waste of time for me.

this animal has over 100,000,000 types of its kind like I read another state. In fact that it is also in any research that this company could do and probably has done shows that this page is not accurate at all.

Not signing. This is my comment.
 

Dave C. (214)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 12:50 pm
noted and signed....
 

Emma S. (227)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 1:21 pm
All done. Thanks Cher - keep up the good work.
 

Lindsey Williams (234)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 3:34 pm
Signed and noted, this is horrible.
 

Jolyne R. (19)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 5:13 pm
Signed. I am so pleased to be vegetarian. Thank you..
 

Marilyn M. (143)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 7:05 pm
Noted and signed. Thank you for posting, Cher.
 

Rajshree B. (26)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 7:47 pm
Noted and signed!
 

Linda Jarsky (0)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 8:06 pm

Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages - Thomas Edison
 

Rosemary Rannes (634)
Thursday December 1, 2011, 9:08 pm
Definitely signed & posted to Twitter.
The Reindeer and Caribou herds migration routes are not being protected. We need petitions that address this issue as well.
TY Cher.
 

Elizabeth S. (149)
Friday December 2, 2011, 4:39 am
Signed and shared, ty.
 

Caro M. (71)
Friday December 2, 2011, 5:02 am
Signed/ noted.
 

Viswabodha S. (0)
Friday December 2, 2011, 6:02 am
poor deer
 

angela whatley (0)
Friday December 2, 2011, 6:44 am
signed and noted
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 2, 2011, 7:33 am
1,388, TU
 

Willetta s. (3)
Friday December 2, 2011, 7:35 am
SIGNED !!
 

Kimball Schultz (0)
Friday December 2, 2011, 8:09 am
OK! done!
 

Andreia Capelo (15)
Friday December 2, 2011, 8:27 am
Done.
Thanks for sharing!
 

Annamaria Co (3)
Friday December 2, 2011, 9:17 am
Strengthen protections on reindeer please!
 

Bill K. (23)
Friday December 2, 2011, 3:15 pm
just go vegan and let all animals live in peace
 

Nyack Clancy (435)
Friday December 2, 2011, 8:40 pm
@ Pia- I am the person who started the petition

and now matter how you look at it, the reindeer is an endangered animal.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2003/12/24/reindeer031224.html#ixzz15bPiOCHa

Endangered animals do NOT belong on the dinner table.
 

Nyack Clancy (435)
Friday December 2, 2011, 10:01 pm
And? We have every reason to believe they are wild reindeer. A quote from a Lild spokesman-

A spokesman for Lidl said the reindeer used for its product ‘live in their natural habitat and have plenty of space to move around’.


Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/847238-fury-as-lidl-sells-reindeer-meat-for-christmas#ixzz1fRsAzr3A



 

Amy L. (1)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 4:26 am
Signed..
 

Pia M. (85)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 4:31 am
Nyack, "A spokesman for Lidl said the reindeer used for its product ‘live in their natural habitat and have plenty of space to move around’."

And that is exactly the way how domesticated reindeer live. Free, in their natural habitat, eating the natural food. Plus some extra hay during harsh winters, provided by their owners. Unlike 99% of all the other animals you see dead in supermarkets, they experience stress and anxiety only during the last hours of their lives, when they're captured and transported for slaughter. (Sure, the occasional attacks by wolves or wolverines cause a lot of stress, too...) So you just don't really know about the realities of reindeer husbandry? Did you think the domesticated ones are factory farmed like any other dead meat in supermarkets, and if the reindeer in Lidl's products have "lived in their natural habitat", it means they're wild? Oh no.

I did sign the other petition asking for protection for wild reindeer, which is a valid issue. This one, on the contrary, is based on a faulty premise and a knee-jerk reaction.
"and now matter how you look at it, the reindeer is an endangered animal. "
The wild reindeer are, and I fully support the conservation of their habitats. The domesticated reindeer instead are thriving, and in the areas where reindeer husbandry is a common livelihood (Lapland), there are yearly maximum limits to ensure there's enough space and food for all the animals. (They can comfortably live only in forests, thus not all the vast areas of Lapland are habitable for them.) In Finland the max. limit is around 200.000, and within this limit the herders negotiate by themselves how many animals can be kept in which areas. I don't know so much about the situation in Swedish and Norwegian Lapland, but I assume it's pretty much the same.
 

Pia M. (85)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 6:07 am
Here's a factsheet about reindeer: http://www.lhnet.org/reindeer/

I'll get concerned only if Lidl is revealed to sell the meat of Rangifer tarandus fennicus, Finnish forest reindeer, which is the only endangered subspecies in Europe. Even the wild reindeer population in Norway is so stable that it is managed by hunting.

It seems that very few people in this thread know anything else about reindeer than that it is "Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer, Santa's best friend"... I recommend reading from the factsheet (link above) especially the part about socio-economic aspects of reindeer husbandry and then thinking again about asking Lidl to stop selling reindeer products. Well done, you're contributing to driving small-scale sustainable animal husbandry, based on thousands of years of traditions and an essential part of the cultures in Arctic regions, to extinction. It's much more agreeable that Lidl continues to sell factory-farmed piggies, cows and chicken - they're not as cute as reindeer and nobody bothers to write Christmas songs about them anyway, right? I hope you're proud of yourselves.

"Several Arctic and Subarctic people including the Sami and the Nenets have herded reindeer for centuries. They are raised for their meat, hides, and antlers and, to a lesser extent, for milk and transportation. Reindeer are not considered fully domesticated, as they generally roam free on pasture grounds. In traditional nomadic herding, reindeer herders migrate with their herds between coast and inland areas according to an annual migration route, and herds are keenly tended. Although reindeer were not bred in captivity, they were selected based also on behavioural characteristics and the annual gathering. They were tamed for milking as well as for use as draught animals or as beast of burden. - - The reindeer has (or has had) an important economic role for all circumpolar peoples, including the Saami, nenets, KhantsEvenks, yukaghirs, Chukchi and Koryaks in Eurasia. It is believed that domestication started between the Bronze and Iron Ages."
 

Pia M. (85)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 6:33 am
Here's another useful link, The IUCN Red List of Endangered Species: http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/details/29742/0

Guess what it says about reindeer? "Least Concern. This species is listed as Least Concern due to a wide circumpolar distribution and presumed large populations."

So where the hell comes the misconception of reindeer being "endangered", on which this petition is based? As I've told you again and again, certain SUBSPECIES of reindeer are endangered (FInnish forest reindeer) and in certain areas conservation actions are needed due to decline in local reindeer population (e.g. eastern Russia), but the species itself is nowhere near being endangered.
 

Nyack Clancy (435)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 7:10 am
So WHERE the HELL it comes from that they are endangered comes from this link= which I posted previpus;ly, and which I posted within the petition itself.

If you dont agree or want t sign, then DONT- noone is forcing you.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2003/12/24/reindeer031224.html
 

Nyack Clancy (435)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 7:18 am
Are Reindeer Endangered?

Reindeer Facts
http://www.facts-about.org.uk/animals-reindeer.htm

Endangered Species
Wild life experts consider that Reindeer are an endangered species
An endangered species is one that is in danger of extinction throughout all or a significant portion of its range. The Causes of a species of animal becoming endangered are due to Habitat Destruction such as the rainforest, introduction of exotic species, disease, water pollution, global warming and over exploitation of natural resources.


 

Nyack Clancy (435)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 7:26 am
Caribou ARE endangered- whether they are listed such yet or not.

So is the Lion, and Polar Bear- but they may not be listed yet because it is in the special interest of hunters to continue to kill them.

Like I said- if you dont want to sign the petition- THEN DONT.
 

Nyack Clancy (435)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 8:03 am
Here is another link

Earth's Endangered Animals~

Reindeer


http://www.earthsendangered.com/article.asp?ID=23
 

Pia M. (85)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 8:13 am
Nyack, you have an article from 2003, referring to another article from 2002. With a misleading title and misinformation - clumping all reindeer subspecies together as "Rangifer tarandus tarandus". Instead of "wild reindeer are endangered", the original article by UNEP says clearly that they're "in peril". Great journalism.

And whatever the situation is with the wild populations of Rangifer tarandus tarandus and Rangifer tarandus platyrhynchus in Norway (of which the former subspecies has been stable for the last 50 years and even growing - nowadays about 40.000 animals), it has nothing to do with the domesticated reindeer populations throughout northern Fennoscandia. Which are raised for consumption, and yes, sold to supermarkets. Whether you want to admit it or not, your petition is based on severe misinformation / misconception and you're doing more harm than good with it.

Here's another useful link - Reindeer Herders' Association, http://www.paliskunnat.fi/default2.aspx?kieli=en-US - lots of information about reindeer husbandry, organisation of production, legislation and monitoring. I recommend especially the page "Reindeer husbandry - the work". Unfortunately the recipes are only in Finnish, but I'll be glad to give you links to recipes in English, if you wonder how should you prepare a reindeer steak from Lidl. (It's best when cut to thin slices, sautéed in butter and served with potato puree and lingonberries. Yum.)
 

Pia M. (85)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 9:07 am
The information behind your links is very vague, a lot worse than e.g. Wikipedia articles. Of course, I'd recommend IUCN or UNEP (or local wildlife management plans) when searching for information about wildlife species and their conservation status... Let me see:

The first article, "Facts about reindeer", written by some anonymous, claims that "Wild life experts consider that Reindeer are an endangered species". No references to these "experts" - I wonder who they are, when IUCP Red List classifies reindeer as "Least Concern"?

The second article, on site called "Earth's endangered creatures", and copied from Wikipedia (it says so at the bottom of the page) says only that "The woodland caribou (Rangifer tarandus caribou), a reindeer subspecies is listed as endangered with the US Fish & Wildlife Service." Which is correct. However, it is not endangered in anywhere else than US.

Your claim, "Caribou ARE endangered- whether they are listed such yet or not." is false. Subspecies Rangifer tarandus caribou is considered endangered ONLY in USA - in Canada there are about one million animals, and although they're listed as "threatened", the population is strong enough to allow an annual hunting of about 30.000 animals. Subspecies Rangifer tarandus groenlandicus is also threatened but doing quite fine, with a population of about half a million animals. Subspecies Rangifer tarandus pearyi instead is listed endangered by IUCN.

There are two major groups of Rangifer tarandus, altogether five million animals, seven subspecies living today, of which two are endangered - R. tarandus pearyi and R. tarandus fennicus. These are protected and they're not the same subspecies as the domesticated reindeer, Rangifer tarandus tarandus, which Lidl most probably sells. To be sure, buy reindeer labeled with Protected Designation of Origin (PDO) - it ensures the meat comes from domesticated reindeer born, raised, slaughtered and packaged in the herding area.

Information about barren-ground caribou and its management: www.arctic-caribou.com/
Peary Caribou: http://nwtspeciesatrisk.ca/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=PearyCaribou
Migratory woodland caribou: http://nwtspeciesatrisk.ca/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=WoodlandCaribou
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 11:15 am
Let me start with the FACT that neither Santa, Rudolph, or any of the other magical fantasy creatures of the FOR PROFIT X-mass ad campaign are now, ever have been or will be real life animals nor is the freaking Easter Bunny. Add to that you morons the fact that if you actually look at the mythical creatures pulling Santa's imaginary sleigh, not a single one of them depicted in the last 40-50 years is actually a reindeer, look at the horns.
Then there is the fact that reindeer is, has become a domesticated animal that is not endangered any more than dairy cows are. There are a few populations that are becoming endangered but not through the sale of their meat or any other by-products. Some of you have never emotionally made it out of grade school, need to grow up Santa is a lie, Rudolph and the other reindeer and the Easter Bunny are all lies. And to be quite honest the parts of the posted article that are not out right lies are walking the line between fact and intentional falsehood. It is pretty damn sad that the author/poster has to stoop to playing on the childhood memories and created for profit holiday images to rabble rouse the choir about a fake cause. Pathetic!
 

Nyack Clancy (435)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 9:09 pm
I think you are missing thepoint Lyodd- and you also d not have to sign if you dont afree, noone has a gun to your head.

Of course the reindeer and Easter Rabbit are imaginary creatures.

But? Were the rabbit an endangered species, and being cooked for Easter dinner, I would write a petition about THAT also

"Aside from the horrors of roasting Peter Cottontail for Easter Dinner, the rabbit is an endangered animal."


I would start it just like that, and make NO appologies for it.
 

Nyack Clancy (435)
Sunday December 4, 2011, 12:24 am
typo-

Of course Ruldoph and Easter Rabbit are imaginary creatures.

 

Michela m. (3926)
Sunday December 4, 2011, 12:11 pm
SIGNED and Noted!! Thanks!! Ciao!! Michela
 

Pia M. (85)
Monday December 5, 2011, 3:33 am
Did you know that at least one subspecies of wild turkey, Meleagris gallopavo gallopavo, is critically endangered? So following the logic of this petition it means that ALL turkeys are endangered and supermarkets should stop selling turkey... funny how I haven't seen any petitions of that sort - maybe turkeys are not exotic and cute enough to protect.
 

colleen p. (38)
Tuesday December 6, 2011, 11:49 am
hahah, way to stick it to 'em Pia.

i dunno, I think care2 is deleting my comments. funny because I am sure they keep the "omg bomb japan for eating dolphins" ones get to stay.
 
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