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Send Man Who Starved a Retired Horse to Prison ! PLEASE SIGN ! !


Animals  (tags: animals, cruelty, AnimalWelfare, environment, protection, suffering )

Cher
- 495 days ago - forcechange.com
A man in Windsor, California was recently found guilty of starving a retired racehorse to death. His sentence was a mere 3 years probation and community service. Penalties this weak are the reason animal cruelty continues and it needs to stop being



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paul m. (93)
Monday May 13, 2013, 5:28 am

Signed
 

Christeen Anderson (488)
Monday May 13, 2013, 6:06 am
Signed.
 

Pat B. (354)
Monday May 13, 2013, 6:45 am
TY,Cher.Done.
 

Joe R. (189)
Monday May 13, 2013, 6:58 am
Thanks Cher. Signed and noted.
 

naomi cohen (44)
Monday May 13, 2013, 7:43 am
send him to prison and see that he gets NO food. signed! thank you, cher.
 

Debbie Williamson (267)
Monday May 13, 2013, 8:10 am
Signed and noted. Thanks Cher.
 

Birgitta S. (231)
Monday May 13, 2013, 8:17 am
signed. agreeing with Naomi.
 

Natasha Salgado (520)
Monday May 13, 2013, 8:25 am
RIP sweetie...S+S,thx Cher.
 

Susan G. (54)
Monday May 13, 2013, 8:32 am
R.i.p. my god evil people I wish to vanish off the face of this earth. I wish he could get life in prison no food.

"Peace for all our animals let them live in peace"
 

Ruth S. (307)
Monday May 13, 2013, 8:41 am
Signed

Send him to jail and starve the bastard to death, see how much he will enjoy that!
 

Mary T. (298)
Monday May 13, 2013, 8:43 am
Signed and Noted, surprised that I havent heard this story on the local news. lots of horses have been found starving around the San Francisco Bay Area, also people are abandoning their horse, others are giving their horses away because they can't afford to keep them
 

Camilla Vaga (70)
Monday May 13, 2013, 10:36 am
signed
 

Elaine Al Meqdad (228)
Monday May 13, 2013, 10:41 am
Your signature has been recorded.
 

Gloria picchetti (290)
Monday May 13, 2013, 10:49 am
Signed. It seems to me I have heard this judge's name before but there are lots of people with the same name. RIP dear horse.
 

Joy M. (36)
Monday May 13, 2013, 11:00 am
Already signed while on Force Change. Even more cruel that he fed his other horses but starved this one - no excuses!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday May 13, 2013, 11:02 am
Noted & Signed
 

Sandi O'Donovan (41)
Monday May 13, 2013, 11:25 am
Disgusted! signed & noted
 

Past Member (0)
Monday May 13, 2013, 11:34 am
Signed.
 

Mike M. (53)
Monday May 13, 2013, 11:37 am
N&S
 

Cyrille D. (121)
Monday May 13, 2013, 11:45 am
Noted & Signed ! Thank you, Cher.
 

Sonia Minwer Barakat Reque (51)
Monday May 13, 2013, 11:47 am
S&N
 

paula eaton (30)
Monday May 13, 2013, 11:49 am
Signed. How much you want to bet this POS never missed a meal. Probation is a joke. Put this idiot in jail and let him starve to death.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday May 13, 2013, 11:51 am
S&n thx Cher:)))
 

. (0)
Monday May 13, 2013, 12:07 pm
Signed and Noted.
 

Henrik Thorsen (28)
Monday May 13, 2013, 12:09 pm
Signed.
 

Andrew C. (5)
Monday May 13, 2013, 12:10 pm
Signed. Hope this scumbag rots in jail.
 

Jeannie Fuchs (0)
Monday May 13, 2013, 12:19 pm
Signed & Shared
 

Dana B. (133)
Monday May 13, 2013, 12:20 pm
Signed, thank you
 

Beth Tatum (85)
Monday May 13, 2013, 12:33 pm
This story made me sick. When will people stop abusing animals?
 

Lydia Weissmuller Price (181)
Monday May 13, 2013, 12:45 pm
Signed and shared, thank you.
 

Ken O. (56)
Monday May 13, 2013, 12:48 pm
We are in desperate need of a National Registry of Animal Offenders. I say we need to add his, and the others names and address's to a National Registry.
 

Malgorzata Zmuda (182)
Monday May 13, 2013, 1:01 pm
petycja oczywiście podpisana
 

Dianne D. (463)
Monday May 13, 2013, 1:10 pm
signed
 

Shana M. (60)
Monday May 13, 2013, 1:17 pm
Signed and noted, thanks
 

John De Avalon (35)
Monday May 13, 2013, 2:00 pm
Sentencing is meant to be appropiate and to act as a deterrent. This would seem to be neither.
 

Lynne Buckley (0)
Monday May 13, 2013, 2:03 pm
Signed
 

Nelson Baker (0)
Monday May 13, 2013, 2:08 pm
Signed
 

Birgit W. (144)
Monday May 13, 2013, 2:11 pm
Signed.
 

Petra M. (253)
Monday May 13, 2013, 2:20 pm
Signed & noted
 

Allan Yorkowitz (453)
Monday May 13, 2013, 2:25 pm
Shame on California.
 

Mariette G. (150)
Monday May 13, 2013, 2:55 pm
Signed, thanks Cher!
 

Valerie H. (135)
Monday May 13, 2013, 3:06 pm
Thank you, signed
 

monka blank (74)
Monday May 13, 2013, 3:07 pm
so signed, I'm very upset about the poor horse. Tighten up the law about animal mis- treatment !!
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Monday May 13, 2013, 3:10 pm
Signed. Noted. Thanks, Cher.
 

Carol D. (109)
Monday May 13, 2013, 3:12 pm
disgusting human being hope what goes round comes round and he gets starved
 

Joanne A. (40)
Monday May 13, 2013, 3:14 pm
Signed and noted. Thanks
 

Robert Tomlinson (65)
Monday May 13, 2013, 3:19 pm
Signed and Noted!
 

Rosemary Rannes (634)
Monday May 13, 2013, 3:21 pm
Thank you Cher, I signed & posted to Twitter.
 

S J. (116)
Monday May 13, 2013, 3:24 pm
S&N
 

Madhu Pillai (22)
Monday May 13, 2013, 3:25 pm
Signed
 

Thomas P. (468)
Monday May 13, 2013, 3:29 pm
Noted and signed...thanks Cher
 

Jude Hand (59)
Monday May 13, 2013, 3:43 pm
Noted and signed.
 

Crystal Kilchrist (0)
Monday May 13, 2013, 4:48 pm
Poor horse People need to start being more reponsible signed
 

Amy L. (90)
Monday May 13, 2013, 4:57 pm
What a disgusting pig bastard - how could anyone stand around and let an animal starve to death. He deserves the same slow painful cruel death.
 

Diane B. (275)
Monday May 13, 2013, 5:01 pm
signed dear
 

Marlene Dinkins (233)
Monday May 13, 2013, 5:21 pm
noted signed. but what bastard!!!!! Poor horse!!! RIP baby !!!!I hope this scumbag pay in some how for this crime!!!!!
 

deb s. (145)
Monday May 13, 2013, 5:26 pm
I strongly emphasize that penalties so weak as probation and community service will just allow the cruelty to continue we must make more harsh punishment to send the message that cruelty such as this man did shall not be tolerated and for others to see er mean to protect animals from people who do such acts This poor horse did not need to die such a death by starvation Tell me has any of you went so hungry to feel the pain and suffering and knowing death was near? imagine what this horse felt and re think the penalties
 

Diana Bair (7)
Monday May 13, 2013, 5:45 pm
THIS MAN NEEDS MORE THAN PRISON......HE NEEDS TO SUFFER AS THAT POOR HORSE HAD TO SUFFER!!!!!!!!!. DIANA.
 

Leann Wells Huber (0)
Monday May 13, 2013, 6:08 pm
Signed. How EVIL! This man should be imprisoned, and subjected to the same treatment he gave the horse, until he dies!
 

Eternal Gardener (743)
Monday May 13, 2013, 6:30 pm
N&S
 

Christine Stewart (131)
Monday May 13, 2013, 6:35 pm
Signed. The stupid man said the horse refused to eat. How about getting a vet to check out the horse then?
 

Laurie S. (73)
Monday May 13, 2013, 6:54 pm
Your signature has been recorded.
 

Suzanne L. (152)
Monday May 13, 2013, 7:16 pm
N&S. I wish one of the big animal rights organizations would take judges and prosecutors to task for agreeing to reduce sentences in cases of animal cruelty - like take out a one page ad in big letters about the case with the judge and the convicted perpetrator in big letters. In some places the laws just don't exist to adequately protect animals, but it is truly unjust when a judge decides to reduce a felony to a misdemeanor in a case like this. The judge should get a lot of flack from his community.
 

Angeles Madrazo (292)
Monday May 13, 2013, 7:18 pm
Signed!
 

janet f. (29)
Monday May 13, 2013, 7:36 pm
I hope they forget to feed this miserable excuse for a human.
 

Barbara V. (51)
Monday May 13, 2013, 7:44 pm
May he get even more than is coming to him. SOB slimebag.
 

Mike H. (221)
Monday May 13, 2013, 9:09 pm
Gladly signed1
 

Intan Surya Dawood (3)
Monday May 13, 2013, 9:15 pm
Noted and signed. IF ONLY WE COULD STARVE THE BASTARD TO DEATH, TOO1
 

Marie W. (65)
Monday May 13, 2013, 9:21 pm
S&N
Time to fit the crime- though execution is the better solution.
 

caroline schnettler (80)
Monday May 13, 2013, 10:48 pm
This story makes me sick :-((
 

Ludger W. (72)
Monday May 13, 2013, 11:00 pm
done
 

Leslene Dunn (74)
Monday May 13, 2013, 11:51 pm
Noted and signed - this evil piece of rubbish should not be given the chance to live another day - jail would be too good - he needs to be stoned to death.
 

Mm M. (456)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 12:02 am
Sorry Guys, when I read the intro and petition I started to sob and I want that POS to have someone take an AXE and cut below his knees....that way this POS can crawl to the desert and DIE in agony for his useless POS BRAIN (Opps NO BRAIN, Meant BRAIN DEAD) Do believe I need to sign off cause I really want an eye for an eye. This POS needs to have some of us at Care2 decide the MAIN DECISION...NO JUDGE. WE are the JURY. Works for me!!!
 

Inge Bjorkman (142)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 12:21 am
He must be mentally ill and need care, no normal person behaving like this, but what is wrong with the court?
Love, Peace and Understanding
 

Patricia Cannell (751)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 12:50 am
What a piece of s**t! So glad to participate in signing!
 

Emma S. (227)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 1:10 am
Already signed - thanks, Cher.
 

Irene S. (62)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 1:13 am
Noted and signed. Hope we succeed!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 1:28 am
Signed with hope. That bastard should feel how it is when you are dying of starvation.
 

Victoria Pohrebna (269)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 1:32 am
Signed.
 

Cinzia Palamara (64)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 1:53 am
shared and signed. Thanks for sharing
 

Nils Anders Lunde (550)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 1:57 am
N&S
 

Arwen Woods (207)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 2:15 am
Gladly signed, noted and shared. Thanks Cher.x
 

Carol Bischoff (378)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 2:43 am
Noted signed.
 

Patricia H. (468)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 3:23 am
noted and shared
 

Kerstin Strobl (347)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 3:32 am
signed, thank you Cher
 

Barbara D. (75)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 3:48 am
NS&S!! Your signature has been recorded.
 

Danuta Watola (1199)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 3:59 am
noted.
 

Amanda Ashworth (2)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 4:44 am
THANK YOU
 

Anna Undebeck (205)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 4:55 am
Thank you. 5 more signatures added.
 

SANDRA ROCHA (146)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 5:08 am
Noted and signed. Thank you Cher.
 

Veerle V. (45)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 5:24 am
Signed ans shared, thanks Cher.
 

Fi T. (16)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 5:24 am
Can't people remember how well the horse served them in the past?
 

Marliese B. (63)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 5:44 am
Noted and signed sadly. The same should be done to this human monster !!!
 

Lydia M. (77)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 6:23 am
Signed/Noted...
Thanks for Caring/Sharing...
 

Yasmeen E. (1)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 6:38 am
thanks
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 6:48 am
Signed, TU
 

Gysele van Santen (213)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 6:50 am
signed, thnx.
 

Ana R (220)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 6:54 am
Done... with hope
Thank you!
 

Amy E. (66)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 7:36 am
n/s
 

Aaron Bouchard (130)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 7:45 am
Signed and noted thanks
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 8:33 am
signed
 

Cher C. (1469)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 8:38 am


Thnx so much everyone!!!!!


 

Diane v. (155)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 9:05 am
signed, shared, noted
 

Ioana B. (132)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 9:21 am
noted and signed
 

Stephanie Reap (192)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 9:55 am
signed TY
 

Shawna S. (43)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 10:01 am
So very sad. Noted and signed, Thank you Cher :")
 

Diane K. (136)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 10:02 am
signed
 

Debbie W. (116)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 10:09 am
Noted/Signed
 

Sandi C. (236)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 10:25 am
couldn't we starved him also. prison would be to good he's have regular meals.
 

Sandi C. (236)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 10:34 am
prison would be to good he'd get fed.
 

Esther Z. (101)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 10:47 am
Noted and signed.
 

Shanti S. (0)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 11:06 am
Signed, thank you.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 11:40 am
Signed and noted ! Thanks for sharing.
 

Mary R. (257)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 12:02 pm
MAN'S CRUELTY TO ANIMALS IS SICKING ! THE ANIMAL ABUSE LAWS NEED TO BE MUCH STRONGER. THIS MAN BELONGS IN PRISON AND ALL HE GOT WAS A SLAP ON THE HAND. DISGUSTING !
 

Jaime A. (32)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 12:04 pm
Done with pleasure.!!
 

Jaime A. (32)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 12:05 pm
Poor animal.
 

Kerrie G. (135)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 12:17 pm
Signed and noted, thanks.
 

Kathleen R. (138)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 12:18 pm
noted, already signed
 

Elizabeth Pugliese (8)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 1:16 pm
I will never understand how anyone can be cruel to animals. Regardless of the lack of meaningful puinshment there is something called being a moral human being.
 

Karen B. (8)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 1:31 pm
STARVE THE BASTARD.!!
 

Roger M. (0)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 1:35 pm
Signed.
 

linda newman (2921)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 4:15 pm
signed
 

EDWARD G. MRKVICKA (0)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 6:38 pm
read and noted and signed petition on 5-14-13 this man not only deserves to be locked up in prison, but while he's in prison I believe that he should be starved just like he did to his retired racehorse people are just sick in the head and cruel this probably was your money maker and you turn around and kill the horse rot in hell you scumbag karma will be looking for you plus a few others enjoy your stay at your new home.
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Tuesday May 14, 2013, 11:33 pm
Send the man to the glue factory instead of prison!

Signed
 

iveta cer (68)
Wednesday May 15, 2013, 1:20 am
Signed ! Horrible !!! Sad , poor horse :(
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 15, 2013, 1:34 am
Signed and noted...
 

Tom Tree (254)
Wednesday May 15, 2013, 5:29 am
Sure hope so!
Signed, Noted & Shared !
Thank You for bringing to OUR attention !
 

Tom Tree (254)
Wednesday May 15, 2013, 5:30 am
maybe prison is TOO good for him !
 

Wim Zunnebeld (144)
Wednesday May 15, 2013, 8:04 am
S&N
 

cattus c. (12)
Wednesday May 15, 2013, 1:15 pm
signed.thanks
 

Monika Schuster (19)
Wednesday May 15, 2013, 1:58 pm
Signed, thank you. I had two horses for more than 20 years and they have been my world and I loved them sooo much and both were accompanied from me also on the way to the rainbow bridge when I had to decide that it is now the point to make this decision. It is heartbraking for me what horses have to suffer.
 

Gabriela Baldaia (98)
Friday May 17, 2013, 3:52 pm
So sad .. signed !
 

Cindy Rhodes (106)
Friday May 17, 2013, 4:20 pm
Signed, Thank you Cher!
 

Michael Holland (9)
Friday May 17, 2013, 4:25 pm
Signed and noted. Throw this moron in jail and lose the key.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday May 17, 2013, 4:36 pm
Signed and noted. What is it that makes a person such a cruel human being that they can watch an animal starve to death? It would be a good idea to bring back the stocks and put them in there for a week. I am sure they would hesitate to inflict such cruelty again.
 

Helmut H. (28)
Friday May 17, 2013, 4:54 pm
Noted & signed, thanks Cher!
 

Ann W. (35)
Friday May 17, 2013, 6:38 pm
Signed. It is way past the time to get serious about sentencing in animal cruelty cases.
 

Arlene C. (128)
Friday May 17, 2013, 9:22 pm
Que justice soit faite
 

Rebecca Clark (9)
Friday May 17, 2013, 9:28 pm
Signed. Thanks Cher.
 

Diane L. (110)
Saturday May 18, 2013, 12:36 am
I do not, under any circumstances condone animal neglect, and definitely think the penalties need to be harsher and enforced more than they are now. I don't "buy" for any reason, the excuse that this horse "refused to eat". If a horse goes off it's feed, then it only makes sense to find out WHY................geez, call a vet! If this horse was only 6 years old, then no reason for it to not eat.............a 6-yr-old is far too young to have poor teeth or gum issues, etc. Retired at the age of 6?

Two things bother me, however, about this story..........first one is the photo. That's an Arabian and they usually aren't raced and for the most part, if they are, they are not "retired" at the age of 6. Secondly, if we had petitions for every horse that was starved, we'd be signing 100's, if not 1000's a day. I have a rescued TB that was close to starvation, but even if she had died, unlikely her caretaker (and I use that term, lightly!) would have gone to prison. He actually DID starve another TB mare in his care to death, but Animal Control did nothing about that, just called me to ask if I'd take the surviving mare, and I did and she's been with me for 2-1/2 years now. In his case, it was stupidity. The man in this story seemed to have done what he did, deliberately if his other horses were healthy. My question would be, WHY????? If he didn't like the horse, give it away, or send it to slaughter. I know that's not an alternative that many would want to hear, but it would be a better one than starving to death.
 

Diane L. (110)
Saturday May 18, 2013, 12:40 am
I checked this story out on the internet, and not a single article shows up. Then I read the details in the story that the link here is for. This happened, supposedly, 3 years ago. Why a petition NOW? What is the point 3 years later, assuming the facts as stated are even true? I don't sign petitions without checking the facts, and can't find a thing about this anywhere else.
 

Carol H. (229)
Saturday May 18, 2013, 3:32 am
signed and noted for sure!!
 

federico bortoletto (34)
Saturday May 18, 2013, 5:13 am
Notato,firmato e condiviso. Grazie Cher.
 

Gabriella Serafino (94)
Saturday May 18, 2013, 10:32 am
Done
 

Susanne P. (18)
Saturday May 18, 2013, 12:30 pm
Signed & noted
 

Gloria H. (88)
Saturday May 18, 2013, 7:17 pm
I went to the hearing. I believe he lives here in Rohnert Park, not Windsor. The piece of s-t was really jumpy during the brief session but grinned like on cloud nine when he left the room after getting off easy. He was made to pay $500 to a charity (claiming somehow he would come up with the money). $500 would have bought alot of food to keep the horse from starving!!!!!!!!
He was also ordered to do 200 hours of community service. Oh, he balked at that "I work full time!" he boohooed. But agreed to do it when it was extended to 2014 to finish. 200 hours! I'll bet he does ordinarily 200 hours of fun stuff each year!

 

Diane L. (110)
Saturday May 18, 2013, 11:07 pm
Gloria, thank you for the update. Do you know why it's taken so long since this happened in 2010? Did this P.O.S. have any excuse that made sense? If he works full time, then he should have been able to afford proper food, and If not, why not give the horse away to somebody who could? If he worked, then if the horse "refused to eat" as his lawyer said, why didn't he get a vet out there to examine the horse?
 

Diane L. (110)
Saturday May 18, 2013, 11:14 pm
Thanks to you, Gloria, I found another article which has more details than the one in the link here. This article says the horse was a Thoroughbred (photo above is of an Arabian) and he had a successful career at Bay Meadows. How sad. The niece should have been charged as well, and nothing stated makes sense if the horse had access to adequate pasture. If a 6-yr-old won't eat, it's got serious dental issues or mouth ulcers. Why didn't this person call a vet?

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20130323/articles/130329752?p=2&tc=pg
 

Lisa Zarafonetis (177)
Sunday May 19, 2013, 12:47 am
Signed & Shared on FB.
 

Linda Jarsky (0)
Sunday May 19, 2013, 3:43 pm

Martin Luther King Jr. is quoted as saying, “Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way.”
 

Anette S. (24)
Sunday May 19, 2013, 10:57 pm
signed & noted
 

Sara P. (57)
Monday May 20, 2013, 8:42 am
Already signed, thanks Cher.
 

Amber Beasley (20)
Thursday May 23, 2013, 5:41 pm
signed and noted
 

Nan Towle (58)
Saturday June 1, 2013, 8:47 am
Starving to death is prolonged misery and suffering as organs shut down while experiencing excruciating hunger. It is torture. When a human knowingly allows and withholds food from an intelligent, emotional, sentient being dependent upon him/her for their welfare, it is nothing less than murder with intent. It is unconscionable and inexcusable. If this Mark Ross could not feed his horse, or just didn't want him anymore, he could have found him another home or surrendered him to a group that would willingly take him.
If his horse "refused" to eat, as said by his attorney, then where was the veterinarian's documentation? Show us where he took care of this horse and its well-being instead of leaving it to suffer. It's not there, because its a fabrication.

There IS no excuse for this sociopathic behavior. The penalty does NOT fit the crime and at the very least he ought to get to experience some of what he dished out in jail and fined compared to the suffering of what this magnificent living being endured. This horse worked for people and did what they asked of him all his life as a race horse. He deserved better than this!

Mark Ross needs to get to miss some meals as well and experience some severe hunger. People like this do not learn anything unless they experience it directly. Maybe just maybe it would keep him from doing something like this again when he gets out. He should never be allowed to own another defenseless, vulnerable, sentient being that depends upon him for its welfare.
The fact that rather than receive the sentence he deserved, which would have resulted in a prison term and a large fine, he was given community service so that the court could save money on the trial is a total travesty of justice and a deep betrayal of the people and the animals that it is supposed to protect.
Shame on the court and the Judge for allowing "budget justice". No one is served that way! The money to cover the cost of the trial should have been part of Mark Ross's fine! Judge's have discretion and Judge La Forge certainly could have done better by every living being in Windsor, California-- surely they deserve better than this!
 

Bartlomiej T. (307)
Monday June 3, 2013, 6:57 am
Signed. Thank you, Cher.
 

Evelyn B. (80)
Wednesday June 5, 2013, 5:04 pm
Noted and Signed Tks. Cher....
 
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