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Here's How You Conduct Cognitive Warfare and Demonize Those Who Defend Us Israelis From Cowardly, Rocket-Rich Terrorists


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Beth
- 765 days ago - thisongoingwar.blogspot.co.il
Israel foes are sending a photo that pretends to be an image of children who, along with the man lying on a stretcher next to them, were allegedly targeted today by Israel's forces for being terrorists. In reality, THE PICTURE IS 4 YEARS OLD. see article



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Beth S. (334)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 10:42 pm
What is it about the pro-Pali press that has to LIE unabashedly and demonize the Israelis?

I guess because in reality, there's almost no substance. And we can't have that can we? No, the pro-Palies will make up their own victims. They always have to pretend to be victims, when the vast majority of the time, they're the perpetrators.
 

Stan B. (122)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 11:50 pm
Perhaps they are trying to get an Oscar nomination. The amazing thing is that they are able to con so much of the Western media.
 

Jennifer Ward (40)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 11:57 pm
The first casualty of war is the truth.We must seek the facts and use our calm, rational research before we condemn Israel any more. Both sides should have a 'truth and reconcilation' tribunal like the one in South Africa. Israel is a tiny sliver of a country only 9 miles wide in some places. Jordan and Syria got 70% of the area known as Palistine. Palestine was never a country- it had no currency, no government. It was a construct of Yassar Arafat (an Egyptian) in the early 1970s.
 

Carola May (20)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 2:19 am
It just boggles the mind that these goofballs are able to fool the gullible fools in the West with their antics. I've seen a couple of videos before showing them staging mock funeral processions where the 'corpse' is dropped and gets back up and onto the stretcher.

How can anyone believe anything these cowardly despots say? If they spent as much time trying to create a civilisation instead of destroying Israel and murdering all the Jews, as Allah the merciful commanded, they would have a thriving land now instead of a backward, barbaric murderous and corrupt dictatorship as in Gaza.
 

Ge M. (218)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 1:40 pm
This is a standard practice because people are gullible and want to be gullible.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 5:23 pm
The reasoning behind the pro-Pali press in the West is kinda shocking and seriously sad:

The Palestinian narrative plays perfectly into the liberal one. Here are a bunch of poor non-Westerners supposedly oppressed by far wealthier, far more powerful people. Many liberals are so eager to believe it, because it would support their own narrative and world-view, that they do so uncritically. This sort of uncritical acceptance of absolutely anything that would support their views is the behaviour of extremists, and extremists are normally rare so that alone would not account for the ubiquity of the problem.

The dishonest bias, however, is exacerbated by the failure of liberals, mostly, to recognize extremists among themselves. I had an interesting discussion with one here on another thread where I asked him what a liberal extremist would look like, and he responded that liberalism is not an extreme ideology, that liberals are by definition not extreme. Liberal extremists are therefore given a whole lot more credibility among their moderate counterparts than are other extremists with theirs. This is why hardcore anti-Israel NGOs get so much support among people who insist they are fighting against racism, and their reports get accepted. Even worse, liberals are a whole lot easier to radicalize because they don't realize what is happening. This is why there are so many extremists among them. Arguably even worse, among liberals, extremists' natural charisma among their own faction is not balanced out by calls for moderation nor recognition of its need, so they end up in positions of power rather than on the fringe. A commonly used example of this is Obama: He was seen in 2008 as the "great unifier" because he was expected to be the most liberal U.S. president ever, and liberal media saw no contradiction there.

This "cognitive warfare", which really is a front in a war as it can change the balance of power at the negotiating table after fighting is, I think, a symptom of a much larger problem throughout the Western world.
 

Gloria H. (88)
Monday November 12, 2012, 4:30 pm
Let them duke it out. We have our own problems at home. No more sending American troops over seas..period. You want to help either side, talk your kids into being mercenaries. I would imagine the pay would be better. I think this is one MORE war that we really need to stay out of. Funny how many wars and atrocities are created in the name of religion. Makes me want to be an atheist.
 

Jackie D. (7)
Monday November 12, 2012, 5:39 pm
Israel should stop stealing land from Palestinians!!!
 

Jackie D. (7)
Monday November 12, 2012, 5:48 pm
"In reality, the picture is four years old. It has nothing to do with anything that happened in Gaza tonight. Check it out here."

It doesn't alter the fact that these children were maimed and terrorised by Israeli forces. The Israeli's use old photos from WWII to justify their imprisonment of Palestinians so these demands to show 'fresh' photos of dead and wounded kids is a bit much.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:06 pm
Hi Gloria :)

The pay for mercenaries can be better, but they are split into two groups: One is pretty much rent-a-cops, assisting normal law-enforcement. Those ones, I don't think get paid better than soldiers, and the job is apparently not too pleasant. These ones, foreign law-enforcers, are the greatest symbol of a puppet-government working for foreign powers, so you can imagine how happy the locals are to deal with them. The other group, higher-paid, gets sent into more dangerous situations often with less backup because it is far more politically palatable to deal with casualties among mercenaries than among soldiers.

As for non-intervention and just minding one's own business, that is no longer an option. The global economy is too integrated for any country not to promote its foreign interests, and there will be those who oppose those interests. It can't even be left to allies as long as terrorism is a viable means of changing a government's policies, and as long as we maintain an internally peaceful, democratic society, it will be. Terrorism is mostly absent on U.S. soil, but that is not due only to local law-enforcement: Decades ago, they restrained themselves due to Cold War politics (as an attack on American soil could have triggered near-global nuclear war), but since then more direct strategies have been needed. Thousands of would-be terrorists were killed in those foreign wars and many training-camps have been destroyed, If not for those wars, ordinary law-enforcement would be overwhelmed.

Here's the choice: Give up democracy, get so violent we become too jaded to be terrorized, give up the country's wealth and all the welfare that supports, or fight. The world has become too small for old-style isolationism. It sucks, but there is no better option.

Hi Jackie,

I don't know if your comment was intended as a joke, given the subject of the article, but I should probably point this out for anyone who didn't see it as one: Palestinians lived on the land and still do, but it was never theirs, nor would they have any right to it now even if it was.
 

Russell R. (87)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:34 pm
Israel stop trying to expand and start building upwards. Orthodox Jews are no better than Muslim extremist.
 

Arthur Riding (32)
Monday November 12, 2012, 9:04 pm
Sorry, but the truth is, the Israelis as just as bad, if not worse, than the Palestinians in this Middle Eastern blame game of you started it, no you did, ad infinitum.. It is absolutely ludicrous to blame just the Palestinians for doctoring the 'evidence'. Heck, the Republican Party and Fox News in the US does it all the time, talk about burying the truth amongst a barrage of lies. Even the Democrats do it sometimes though we all bow down to the masters of the lies, Fox News. Anyway, Palestinians and Israelis are fully EQUAL to blame for the violence in the Middle East and terrorism around the world. Government pilots in fighter jets are just as much terrorists as individuals with explosives vests who blow themselves up whatever the weird propaganda they use to 'justify' their actions. They all kill innocent people and peace will never be achieved until the USA stops supporting the Israeli terrorists and other countries stop supporting the Palestinian terrorists. That is the pre-requisite for peace and lets all quit this absurd and totally stupid game of trying to say the devil is the other side. The devil is OUR side and we have a duty to mankind to stop supporting any violence whatsoever, whether from a Government, or from a different organisation, and bring pressure on all sides to stop this senseless killing. Enough is enough.
 

Nancy Black (303)
Monday November 12, 2012, 11:10 pm
Noted, tweeted, tweeted, shared. Another example of lies to convince people or to brainwash them. Sort of like what happened for the last nine months during the campaigning.
 

Jackie D. (7)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:31 am
Arthur Riding: the way to peace is to stop Israeli expansion and tear down the walls which stops Palestinians living normal lives.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 10:30 am
Arabs in Gaza can play their games as much, as they want, they won't get any sympathy here. They are World Best Paid Refugees for over 60 years now, with Great Grand Children of those who left Israel in 1948 milking the UNWRA now, at a rate of several billions bucks a year.

Anyone whose grandfather was a migrant worker in Israel between Jun 1946 and May 1948 is now "UN Refugee". supposed to be paid for by our tax money!!! No other ethnic group other than Arabs got this, why they were allowed to???

Palestinian Arabs got SUPERB and unjustifiable preferential treatment at the expense of all other refugees.

Jackie, there are 22 Arab states by now, all of which failed to provide democracy, decent living and respect to women to their population. Why should one be willing to get another Arab state?

Arab states do not give a damn to respect a desire of their minorities to have their states - Druze, Kurds are struggling and fighting with them. Why Arabs must get all of their demands to come true!
 

monka blanke (84)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 12:22 pm
I agree with Arthur Riding and Jackie D., and I think we agree we don't like the hate talk of Bob Algeron. Every time there is a chance he spews his hate against Palestinian Arabs. There's no peace as long as guys like him acting hatefully. First give up hate, then talk peace.
 

Stan B. (122)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 12:54 pm
Bob Algeron. As usual you hit the nail right on the head.
Green star on its way to you.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:08 pm
Monka Blanke, there is no hate in protesting by far unfair and preferential treatment Palestinian Arabs are getting from UN! This is plain stealing of our tax money for a fake cause.

When Palestinian Arabs living all their lives among Palestinian Arabs with no Israelis around, like in Gaza now, are still considered "refugees" and paid by UN, I call it a SCAM.

I think this SCAM must be stopped immediately!

And please do not accuse me in something I don't do to divert attention from a real issue! I know your tricks by now, and I bet I am not alone.
 

Beth S. (334)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:47 pm
Monka,

Hate talk is usually defined as incitement to violence and murder against an individual or group. Interestingly that the vast majority of Palestinians do just that towards Jews and Israelis would indicate that your prejudices lead you rather than any internal consistency or desire to avoid gross hypocrisy.

I can't even find anything that remotely resembles hate talk in what Bob A. has said.


 

Jackie D. (7)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 2:43 pm
In the 11 years since the year 2000, Israeli forces have killed 1,471 children in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, the bulk of whom were aged between 13 and 17 years. How is that justice? Sounds more like fascism to me when children are murdered. The Israelis had good teachers.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 4:33 pm
Hi Arthur,

Here's an interesting question which you may not realize is directly related to your comment: How do you enforce laws against armies? You can't just arrest them, or even punish them like one would with normal criminals. They have the power to stop law-enforcers from doing that because they're armies. You can't gather some sort of international support for sanctions and such: If any other country cares enough, then it is already not neutral in the whatever conflict in which the crimes were committed. As for appealing to morals of currently neutral countries, look at how well that works to enforce the convention against genocide.

Seriously, how would you do it? Do you know how it is done today, and how it has always been done?

Hi again Jackie,

It's ugly, but for the most part it is actually justice. Look at the question which I posed to Arthur. How would one enforce laws against an organization to militarily powerful to be handled in the usual ways, and too politically connected to be stopped by third parties? There is a known method. It violates many of the principles which we try to maintain in normal law-enforcement, but whose maintenance is a luxury, not a necessity for law-enforcement. I am not just talking about the Israel/Palestinian conflict, but a method which was applied even in the World Wars, when there were no third parties capable of having any effect, and no dominance by moral nations.

Stop preaching your beliefs on any war or war-crimes until you can answer the question. Due to the nature of the only answer which has ever been tried and proven effective, it is central. If you cannot answer it, then you cannot produce an informed opinion on these matters.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:06 pm
Jackie, you lumped into one number all child soldiers and human shields employed by hamas terrorists. You included vicitms of "friendly fire" always underreported by Hamas.

And while Israel expresses regrets and pays compensation to unintended victims, Palestinian Arabs bomb Israeli cities and villages indiscriminately. They aim at civilians, be it using suicide bombers, be it using Iranian ammo. Majority of killed and maimed Israelis are civilians.
 

Arthur Riding (32)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:27 pm
Hi Stephen
Not quite sure why you are bothering to ask such a simple question with such an easy answer. It's no problem at all to bring peace - if the political will is there. The methods have existed throughout history. Just read your history and you will see the truth. The Bosnia/Serbia example is just one of many recent successful examples. Peace is always possible but it has to be accompanied by a political will and that is what is missing at present. It is time the world stopped standing aside and actually bring real pressure, on all sides, to achieve peace. Peace is never easy but it is ALWAYS possible, no exceptions whatsoever.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 7:43 pm
Arthur, speaking of Serbia please do not discard full ethnic cleansing Kosovo from Serbs.

Considering that Kosovo is the spiritual homeland of Serbs, and yet all traces of Serbian history were burnt, destroyed and now the area is Al-Queda paradise and safe region, your comparison makes much more sense.

Israelis can just look at Serbia and see what awaits them if they trust US promises that everyone will be safe. And Israel does not have Russia protecting them, while Russia tried to protect their Slavic brothers.

Peace is not always possible, unless you include into possibilities an unconditional surrender and death.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 10:01 pm
Hi Arthur,

I wasn't asking how to bring peace. Read the question: How can laws be enforced against armies?

Are you saying that you think nations will willingly punish their own soldiers when they make peace with those against whom the crimes were committed? Strictly speaking, I am not even talking about crimes committed by individual soldiers here, but crimes committed by an army. How many times, historically, have nations imprisoned or otherwise punished entire units of their own armies for war-crimes, after those units, acting as units, committed such crimes? Commanders have been, but trials are almost always victors' courts, which are only possible if the criminals are defeated or captured first. Of course, if soldiers are already ready to die in the fight, the threat of prosecution after the war will never deter any crime. That brings us back to the question: How can laws be enforced against armies? What can be done to prevent criminal behaviour, especially when those armies do not police themselves?

Regarding Serbia and Bosnia, what brought peace wasn't peaceful political will. It was Serb forces' fear of NATO. The ceasefire was called only two weeks into NATO's first general offensive because the thought of fighting an alliance of the victors of the Cold War is pretty intimidating. The people still hate each other to this day and, without NATO-protection of Bosnia, would probably be at war again.

As for whether peace is always possible, that may be true when both sides have compatible traditions of peace, but I wouldn't bet on it. That is not the case with Israel and the Palestinians. While Israel inherited the Western tradition of peace, what historically brought an end to a round of violence in the Arab world is something which, I suspect, you would not recognize as peace. It is also not something which Israelis are generally willing to do to Palestinians, nor something which Palestinians have the power to do to Israelis. As for Palestinians coming around to the Western tradition of peace and having it happen that way, it may be possible a couple of generations after the cultural shift starts, but there has been no sign of the necessary change of culture.
 

Jackie D. (7)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 10:22 pm
Arthur: " It's no problem at all to bring peace - if the political will is there."

What does political will mean exactly? Bomb civilian areas, hospitals schools, infrastructure (the usual), or will Israel give up its land grab and tear down the wall?
 

Jackie D. (7)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 10:48 pm
Bob: "Jackie, you lumped into one number all child soldiers and human shields employed by hamas terrorists. You included vicitms of "friendly fire" always underreported by Hamas."

Child soldiers! You mean kids with stones? Sorry, but not everyone believes Israel's zionist-run apartheid propaganda machine.

Women have fought for and won rights in many Middle Eastern countries. Thanks to the US supporting the Mujahadeen they might still have them in Afghanistan.
 

Jackie D. (7)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 11:08 pm
Bob Algernon: You bleat on about YOUR taxes but I take it you don't mind American taxpayers contributing over 8 million per day in military aidt?
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 10:42 am
Jackie, Hamas sends boys with stone for PR Youtube stories. In real life, they send disabled kids with bombs attached to their small bodies to bomb Israeli checkpoints.

Hamas militants often use kids as human shields, sometimes when the kids want it to get Paradise for cheap, and sometimes, when the kids are not that brain washed, by force. They know that Israeli snipers won't shoot if the kids they are hiding behind are at danger.

Islamist PR machine is really much more effective, than Israelis. The very concept that Arabs are about to get 23rd state without giving independance to people fighting them - Druze, Kurds and others - speaks volumes!

Not only that will be 23rd Arab state, it will be the second Palestinian Arab state, after Jordan.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 10:47 am
Jakie, I do mind 8 million a day in US Aid going to Israel, but I know that the money is really spent in US making about 50,000 jobs. For this money, US can tell Israel to cancel military contracts with India and China, worth 10 and 20 BILLION bucks, so the bottom line is green.

Looking deeper, whatever Israel gets, Saudis are allowed to buy. That means, that Saudis will buy same 8 million/day of military equipment. This schema is called But One - Get One Free. This is simply great for everyone.

In comparison, Islamic states taking 30 Billion a Year - that's 80 million a day - are often given CASH and they provide very limited benefit to US security. Pakistan was the biggest aid decipient, yet Bin Laden lived there in peace and quiet, and the doctor who found him was jailed for 20 years.

What is your say on 80 million a day going to Islamic states?
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 12:27 pm
Heck, the Republican Party and Fox News in the US does it all the time, talk about burying the truth amongst a barrage of lies. Even the Democrats do it sometimes though we all bow down to the masters of the lies, Fox News.

Arthur..SOMETIMES!? Urrgghhhhhhhhhhh...typical liberal to see things one way!
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 4:24 pm
Just quick nit-pick: U.S. aid to Israel is reduced by $1 for each dollar Israel invests in civilian infrastructure in the West Bank, Golan Heights, and Gaza Strip. It comes out to ~10% of the budgeted aid for Israel, so the daily assistance (which pays U.S. manufacturers for equipment for Israel) comes out to a bit under $7.5 million.
http://www.fmep.org/reports/archive/vol.-22/no.-5/settlement-budgets-on-the-rise

Regarding the use of child-soldiers and human shields by Palestinian militias:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict
This article:
http://www.childsoldiersglobalreport.org/content/occupied-palestinian-territory
only includes the most recent reported cases found in a 2008-report, many of which were, at the time, very recent (in 2007).
 

Jackie D. (7)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 2:18 pm
Bob, you wrote: "Monka Blanke, there is no hate in protesting by far unfair and preferential treatment Palestinian Arabs are getting from UN! This is plain stealing of our tax money for a fake cause. "

Are you suggesting this is a waste of money: http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/oPt_66262.html ????
 

Jackie D. (7)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 2:34 pm
Bob: "What is your say on 80 million a day going to Islamic states? "

Oh yes, so it has:

"From 2003 through 2011, Israeli governments invested more than $2.5 billion in the settlements. All expenditures, excluding defense and security costs, are included in this figure and cover services to which all citizens are entitled, including transfers from the central government in support of the settlements’ local authorities, investment in infrastructure and public facilities, and tax benefits, grants, and subsidies, including mortgage subsidies that represent losses in state revenue. Together these allocations can be said to illustrate the state’s extraordinary investment in the settlement enterprise."
 

Jackie D. (7)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 2:50 pm
Israeli Soldiers Unleash Attack Dog On Elderly Palestinian Woman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjDyPAQUmJQ

and don't forget Rachel Corrie...PEACE activist...mown down by Israeli fascist.

..and you question why the Palestinians are fighting back. Didn't the Jews fight back against the Nazis? Were civilians not routinely rounded up and murdered as an example to others..the same tactic now used by Israeli fascists. Join a peace movement in your country and stop your government slaughter of innocent civilians in Gaza before it's too late and WWIII erupts in the Middle East!!!
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 9:42 pm
Hi Jackie,

I just skimmed your responses, and had the event not been so sad, I would have laughed. The driver's view in an armoured bulldozer is highly restricted. Many years ago, my brother's friend's sister had a similar fate when crossing the street in front of her school-bus: The hood was high and extended far in front of the driver, who was too short to see over it to the space right in front of the bus. The driver couldn't see her. Did that make him a fascist?

The only difference is that Rachel Corrie deliberately stood in front of that bulldozer, not exactly the fastest vehicle, and, facing it, likely could have seen, had she looked, that the driver's view was very limited. This was a case for the Darwin Awards.
 

Jackie D. (7)
Friday November 16, 2012, 5:32 pm
Is that how Rachel Corrie's death is excused by Israel Zionists? Pathetic and criminal.
 

Klaus Peters (13)
Tuesday December 4, 2012, 4:07 am
Palestinians and Hamaz are cowards and do not know how to fight. They aimlessly fire rockets into Israel, use children as suicide bombers and then wonder why Israel retaliates. What else could they do against gutless terrorists who will refuse to negotiate a lasting peace. From where I am sitting I can see who is firing the first shots, and Hamaz is crying foul to the world because Israel fires back. On the other hand Hamaz is being used and helped by other Islamic countries to start a conflict. That is where they get their stockpile of rockets from or are being financed by them. I would not exlude Iran from that lot.
 
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