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UK FINANCIAL JIHAD: Muslim Hate Preacher Urges Muslims to 'Live Off the State' While They 'Plan Holy Wars'

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And living off the state, they surely do! In 2012 the media reported that 50% of all Muslim men in the UK live on benefits, while 75% of all Muslim women life on benefits according to government statistics. It is estimated that the total annual bill to

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Beth S (330)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 9:42 pm
And living off the state, they surely do! In 2012 the media reported that 50% of all Muslim men in the UK live on benefits, while 75% of all Muslim women life on benefits according to government statistics. It is estimated that the total annual bill to cover only Muslims on welfare in the country is a minimum £13 billion a year, with housing, childcare and other benefits not even included in the cost. The massive exploitation of the welfare system by Muslims throughout Europe is intentional and made to create a financial jihad and weaken the economy. Anjem Choudary calls welfare exploitation Jizya, the Muslim tax taken from infidels.

‘Claim jobseeker’s allowance and plan holy war’: Hate preacher pocketing £25,000 a year in benefits calls on fanatics to live off the state

Anjem Choudary called benefits ‘Jihadseeker’s allowance’
The extremist told followers they must hate democracy and freedom
Also listed bizarre sharia laws, including ‘not riding cats and sheep’

By Daily Mail Reporter

PUBLISHED: 11:22, 17 February 2013 |

Anjem Choudary has been recorded telling followers to claim benefits as part of their struggle to bring sharia law to the UK

A controversial Muslim cleric who lives off benefits is urging his followers to also sponge off UK taxpayers by claiming their ‘Jihadseeker’s allowance’.

Anjem Choudary, who in the past has planned to disrupt the minute’s silence on Remembrance Sunday, also openly mocked hard-working Britons, calling them ‘slaves’.

The Sun newspaper secretly filmed him saying Islam will overrun Europe, David Cameron and Barack Obama should be killed and calling the Queen ‘ugly’.

The father-of-four takes home more than £25,000 a year in benefits and lives in a £320,000 house in Leytonstone, East London.

He told a crowd of around 30 fanatics: ‘People will say, ‘Ah, but you are not working’. But the normal situation is for you to take money from the kuffar (non-Muslim).

‘So we take Jihadseeker’s Allowance. You need to get support.’

In another video a grinning Choudary is recorded telling his disciples that it is justifiable to take money from non-believers.

He said: ‘The normal situation is to take money from the kuffar. You work, give us the money, Allahu Akhbar (God is great).

‘Hopefully there’s no one from the DSS listening to this.’

He also called Mr Cameron, Mr Obama and the leaders of Pakistan and Egypt the ‘shaitan’, or devil, and said he wanted them to be killed.

Choudary spoke glowingly of the 9/11 attacks and urged his followers to have ‘hate’ in their hearts for core British concepts like democracy, freedom and freedom of religion.

The 45-year-old former lawyer added: ‘We are going to take England — the Muslims are coming. Brussels is 30 per cent, 40 per cent Muslim in Amsterdam. Bradford is 17 per cent Muslim.

Extremist: Anjem Choudary wants the UK to become an Islamic state under sharia law

The 45-year-old former lawyer added: ‘We are going to take England — the Muslims are coming. Brussels is 30 per cent, 40 per cent Muslim in Amsterdam. Bradford is 17 per cent Muslim.

‘These people are like a tsunami going across Europe. And over here we’re just relaxing, taking over Bradford brother. The reality is changing.’

At another meeting he displayed a £10 note of the Queen and described the portrait as ‘ugly’.

Choudary, 45, ran a group called al-Muhajiroun which held anti-Western demonstrations and is the former leader of Islam4UK. Both were outlawed in 2010 under the Terrorism Act.

He told the Sun that his reference to ‘Jihadseeker’s allowance’ was a joke and claims he has never urged his followers to kill anyone.

He said: ‘Cameron is doing satanic actions but I am not asking for anyone to be killed. We want everyone to worship Islam. I invite Cameron and the Queen to worship Islam.That would be an ideal situation.’

marie C (163)
Monday February 18, 2013, 5:29 am
Its working very well for them in the UK
You only ever see the men doing the shopping in the markets

Gene J (290)
Monday February 18, 2013, 6:17 am
Surprise, surprise, not only are the kaffir's were not only listening, they were taping you "jihad seekers". Bums, extremists who bite the hand that feeds them. The plague of the 21st century.

bob m (32)
Monday February 18, 2013, 7:46 am

They always seek attention; this is POWER to them.. it is one side of the coin to them . The other is covert shadowy, simmering, opportunistic, and bitter...they seek opportunity to provoke emnity to elevate jihad to next stage ..filled with the emnity of Cain... they congress in the fellowship of a Mordorian zeitgeist which has no solution; save the Cross.. which they recoil from like a twisting serpent caught in the hand of a sure end... ..They are as surely counted as beloved by God as all others; no less. yet their eyes a scaled by their father the more ..I can only weep for their children and in thanksgigiving , look forward to their eyes being opened to the Truth before them freely GIVEN... Only He (the LAMB OF GOD) can save them...but many He CAN and WILL...

Past Member (0)
Monday February 18, 2013, 1:31 pm
Well we see this everyday here but our freedom of speech is going No one does anything We have small nationalist parties springing up but they are gagged or fined as soon as they start to show opposition and they do not have the financial backing to go against the powers to be There isnt much hope for this country unless we start getting a hardliner leader that isnt going to flinch every time the word rascist is used and can go against or get out of the EU Rascist is getting to be a silly word now and everything having to be so politically correct One day these leaders will rue the day that they did not do something sooner Enoch Powell in the 1950s said if we did not put a stop to the immigration that one day their will be rivers of blood in Britains streets and i am sorry to say i think he will be right

Noted Thanks

pam w (139)
Monday February 18, 2013, 3:18 pm
Is ANYONE surprised at this?

Gillian M (218)
Monday February 18, 2013, 3:21 pm
It's sad because I come across, work with and am friends with Muslims, good people who came here for a new life. The rest come here to be parasites and to bring Sharia law to a Christian country.

Stan B (123)
Monday February 18, 2013, 3:40 pm
Just when I thought I'd seen it all I hear this creep boasting about ripping off the UK welfare system with " Jihad Seekers' Allowance." The UK is in deep trouble and no one seems to know how to sort it out.
Carol D. Yes, we're beginning to see how right Enoch Powell was and how he was maligned during his lifetime by the politically correct imbeciles who didn't have a clue about what was happening because of unrestricted mass immigration.

Jennifer Ward (40)
Monday February 18, 2013, 3:48 pm
UK= Parasites Paradise. They are fast catching up in Australia with the help of the government broadcasting commission and useful idiot journalists who report every lurid 'persecution' fantasy that 'anonymous sources' can dream up. Stalin and Goebbels would be proud.

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Monday February 18, 2013, 4:12 pm
The mind set of some of them is unreal!! Pathetic bastards they are!!! As you say Phyllis...PARASITES!!

Stan B (123)
Monday February 18, 2013, 5:51 pm
Here's some more about the patriotic Mr. Choudary from the Daily Telegraph.

Anjem Choudary was secretly filmed mocking non-Muslims for working in 9-5 jobs their whole lives, and told followers that some revered Islamic figures had only ever worked one or two days a year.

“The rest of the year they were busy with jihad [holy war] and things like that,” he said. “People will say, ‘Ah, but you are not working’.

“But the normal situation is for you to take money from the kuffar [non-believers].

“So we take Jihad Seeker’s Allowance. You need to get support.”

He went on to tell a 30-strong crowd: “We are going to take England — the Muslims are coming."

Ridiculing the daily lives of UK workers, Choudary said: “You find people are busy working the whole of their life. They wake up at 7 o’clock. They go to work at 9 o’clock.

“They work for eight, nine hours a day. They come home at 7 o’clock, watch EastEnders, sleep, and they do that for 40 years of their life. That is called slavery.”

Choudary, a father-of-four, claims more than £25,000 a year in benefits, £8,000 more than the take-home pay of some soldiers fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, according to the Sun, which covertly filmed the preacher at three meetings.

At another meeting in Slough infiltrated by the Sun, Choudary was filmed proclaiming that Islam was taking over Europe.

“Now we are taking over Birmingham and populating it,” he said.

“Brussels is 30 per cent, 40 per cent Muslim and Amsterdam. Bradford is 17 per cent Muslim.

“These people are like a tsunami going across Europe. And over here we’re just relaxing, taking over Bradford brother. The reality is changing.”

Choudary, who has been banned twice from running organisations under the Terrorism Act, told an audience at a community centre in Bethnal Green, East London, that David Cameron, Barack Obama and the leaders of Pakistan and Egypt were the devil (shaitan) and should be killed.

“What ultimately do we want to happen to them?” asked Choudary. “Maybe I’m the only one who wants the shaitan to be killed. The shaitan should be finished. There should be no shaitan.

“Democracy, freedom, secularism, the parliament, all the MPs and the Presidents, all the kuffar’s ideas, everything the people worship, we have to believe that they are bad and we have got to reject them.”

When later confronted about his filmed speeches, Choudary said: “Many people in the Muslim community are on Jobseeker’s Allowance and welfare benefits. As a joke I may say something about Jihad Seeker’s Allowance. Clearly it is not a Jihad Seeker’s Allowance."


marie C (163)
Monday February 18, 2013, 6:05 pm
Dear Stan this is so upsetting nothing we do not know but the way things are going it will be too late when people wake up in the UK The marches at weekends tell all non Muslim what Choudary is saying but no one listens the cost of the police alone and the closing of Park Lane W1 at weekends affects everyone but still it goes on. I sometimes speak to Muslim women in my local market especially when they look about 17 and have 4 and five babies they always say the same "A GOOD MUSLIM WIFE MUST HAVE AT LEAST 10 CHILDREN" The husbands are sitting smoking sheesha in local cafes the wives pay with council vouchers
It can only end how Choudary explained he is right the way things are going

Russell R (87)
Monday February 18, 2013, 6:39 pm
Let the UK give them only PORK to eat - They have to GO!

monica r (41)
Monday February 18, 2013, 9:24 pm
oops! He explained it backwards. What he says to the kuffar is when he's joking. What he says to the muslims is dead serious. They have every intention of sucking the economies of the west dry and re-creating the 7th century hell-holes from which they came.

P. L. Neola (21)
Monday February 18, 2013, 9:45 pm
I just used this comment for the Swedish Success Model article. I believe it is appropriate for this article as well.

Apparently, Islam’s history reveals that the Muslims conquer cultures and people first before heavily taxing them. As the non-Muslim population slowly converts to Islam, thus freeing them from a slave/servant status, the Islamic conquerors lose revenues and must increase taxes. When the conquered society can no longer support the parasitic Islamic population, then, the Islamic population must seek out another society for conquering and financial support.

When Islam is not in a conquering mode, then, it is in a “give me, give me” mode, meaning that they parasitically live on other societies’ welfare states until Islam has increased enough in population and power to overcome the host country that is providing their means for survival. (One of Islam’s main principles is to pretend to have some loyalty towards the host country—OR, if in weaken strength, to pretend to have a type of truce with the host country! This was Muhammad’s way of conquering/forcing the submission of the leaders of Mecca.)

With Islam, it is okay to lie and deceive as long as it is for the expansion and the GOOD of Islam.

Now, many Americans feel that our “political correctness” is enabling Islam to grow in strength and eventually overpower us as a nation. Some Americans—I being one of them—have been influenced by Egyptian-born ex-Muslim Nonie Darwish’s explanation that Islam is “a political and legal system of totalitarian control… .”

According to Darwish, “Islam fails four major tests that religions should fulfill:

1. Adherence to the religion must be a personal choice.
2. No religion should demand that those who leave it be killed.
3. A religion must never mandate the killing and subjugation of those who choose not to belong.
4. A religion must be in accord with basic human rights.”

Islam institutionalizes inequality and sanctions discrimination against certain groups of people such as women and non-Muslims and, in some Arab Nations, blacks. Islam is also operating in America, especially in the terrorist camps, under the guise of religious freedom. Our welfare state system is supporting the terrorist camps with entitlements—the same entitlements that are collapsing our nation economically!!!


jo M. (3)
Monday February 18, 2013, 10:06 pm
All the more reason for nations to be extremely choosy about the people they allow to immigrate to their country.

Jay S (116)
Monday February 18, 2013, 10:36 pm
Here are 3 excellent articles/videos that will further prove what this primitive parasite is saying:



AND a related article about UK spending 13+GBP on unproductive Muslims - 85% live off taxpayers! AND:


Greta Brewster (0)
Monday February 18, 2013, 11:12 pm
Lots in common with rightwing christian extremists in the U.S.

John J (0)
Monday February 18, 2013, 11:36 pm
As their cult loves to emphasize their peaceful intent (they lie about that as in most other things) perhaps we would be doing them a favour by revoking any citizenship and repatriating them to the nearest islamic squalor pit.
I sure hate to see them miserable.
Just imagine if they had to work for a living-- what are they good at. The answer is simple look at the islamic states worldwide and murder and mayhem comes to mind
Jihadseeker’s allowance’ The extremist told followers they must hate democracy and freedom

It really is impossible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end

Giana Peranio-paz (398)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 12:15 am
Live off us and then also devour us!

Carola May (20)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 12:18 am
Allah tells Muslims that they are the best of people and non-Muslims are 'vile', and that everything in the world belongs to Muslims, including everything non-Muslims have. Here's what Islamic scripture says about living off the work of Kafir - non-Muslims (Kafir is the dirtiest word in Islam - something akin to the 'N' word in the West):

“Leave the farming to the people of the book (Jews and Christians), you go and spread the religion of Allah (through jihad); they will farm and they will feed you; they will pay Jizya (poll tax), they will pay Kharaaj (tribute), if the (sustenance) of (the Messenger) was through Ghaneema (plunder) it must be the best (sustenance) and better than farming, business, shepherding and better than anything else because (the Messenger) said: “My (sustenance) comes beneath the shadow of my spear.”[through extortion]

Mohammed was a bandit leading his band of murderers and thugs in robbing passing caravans and stealing the property (including women and children) from those he had killed or driven out for not converting to his 'religion of peace and tolerance'. Allah condones stealing from the kafir:

Bukhari:V4B52N153 "The properties of Nadir (Banu Nadir Jews Mohammed & his Muslims conquered and expelled from the land) which Allah had transferred to His Apostle as Booty"

"Allah brought down the People of the Scripture Book. I forced the
Qurayza from their homes and cast terror into their hearts. Some you
slew, and some you took captive. You killed their men and enslaved their
women and children. And I caused you to inherit their land, their
dwellings, and their property. Allah can do all things.'" (Q 33:26)."

There's a lot more about Merciful Allah rejoicing in the murder of non-Muslims and giving all they owned to Mohammed and his peaceful, tolerant Muslims.

Pogle S (88)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 1:23 am
Now this is frightening for many reasons! Haha! Put him and his followers on the Work Programme then kick them all off benefits; they won't be laughing then!

Pogle S (88)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 1:35 am
He's as slippery as a politician! Listen;

Sue Fowler (6)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 4:43 am
Send them home. The situation in the UK is very worrying. This man is a parasite & there are many more like him.

Patrick Donovan (344)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 9:50 am
These hate articles and the related hate mongers who post are getting annoying. If they are so worried about people belonging to the right place, then they should the USA immediately. I tired of "Christians" complaining about all the same things they do when they are done by others.

This is not a hate site; this is supposed to be caring community. This display of bigotry and intolerance is despicable.

Lee Hampton (15)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 2:05 pm

I think I know what you mean.

But the reason people write about this is because we DO care, very, very much. We care not to have Sharia pushed down are throats, as is the case in hundreds of Sharia No-Go Zones in Europe, and what Islamists are trying to do all over the world. Dearborn(istan) is an area in the U.S. where this is happening, too.

In these Sharia No-Go Zones, non-Muslim women have to have their elbows, knees, etc. covered, people are not allowed to listen to non-Islamic and instrumental music. They are not allowed to carry a beer. Homosexuals are not allowed to "look" like homosexuals.

We CARE about people being able to retain the many rights and freedoms that we and others have fought so hard for and even given their lives.

We CARE that people all over the world are dying at the hands of Islamists, because they're either not Muslims, or are the "wrong" sect of Muslims, or that they're girls trying to get an education and the Islamists are threatened that Muslimas are speaking out for their human rights.

We CARE that Christians are being slaughtered by the hundreds in places like Nigeria by Islamists. We care that Christian women are being abducted, raped, forcibly converted to Islam and forcibly married to Muslim men, because Islam allows up to four wives, so there are not enough Muslim women to go around. We care that this is happening to Christian AND Hindu women in Pakistan, too.

We CARE that Jews in Scandinavian countries are being forced out by Islamists and have to seek refuge elsewhere. We CARE that Jews are being beaten up in many European countries by Muslims, because the Jews have the audacity to wear a sign of their Jewishness.

We CARE that thousands of Muslim women have had their faces scarred by Muslim men throwing acid at them and/or have been the victims of "honor killing" because they were raped and thus get blamed.

We CARE that toddlers of Muslim parents are being inculcated with loathing and hatred for Western values and Jews and Christians and non-Muslims, some of them even have suicide belts strapped on for "cute kiddie pictures."

Oh, how they blow up so fast....

We CARE that Islam teaches its followers to smile at non-Muslims, but "curse them in your hearts".

Do you think these are good things to care about, Patrick? Do you like those pictures where Muslim women are bruised, scarred, have their noses and jaws broken, or ears and noses cut off, because the Qur'an tells Muslim husbands to beat their wives?

You know, there's something about your name that seems vaguely familiar to me. Weren't you the same Patrick that wrote some really nasty things about Jews and Israelis on Care2 Causes?

It seems maybe you need to look at yourself in the mirror and acknowledge that you're gazing at both a bigot and a hypocrite, and that's pretty despicable, too.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 4:04 pm
Hopefully the world will soon become intolerant of extremist mentality. Because the extremists will never stop.......

Birgit W (160)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 4:39 pm
Hate is never good. Thank you

Glenville J Owen (0)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 7:23 pm
It is never a good thing to allow anyone to come into your home or your country and treat you badly. That will just encourage them to worse behavior. Best to speak up and protest at their selfish ways, and if they don't repent show them the door, before they take over your home and show you through your own door.

Beth S (330)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 8:17 pm
Very well said, Glenville.

reft h (66)
Tuesday February 19, 2013, 11:08 pm
The Muslims I meet refer to welfare as their "pension cheque", even though they are able bodied and not even near old enough for a pension. They've actually laughed about it. Meanwhile, the govt has to cut back on programs for truly needy people.

Pogle S (88)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 1:19 am
This seems to be a part of some cunning design to set one community against another creating an inflamed situation much like they have in the middle-east it self. It is the Murdoch owned Sun fanning the flames of an ugly tyranny to suit their own unfathomable reasons. It’s hypnotic; we become drawn in and encouraged to take sides in this manufactured Spectacle and become one with the illusion. Actual reality is that no one really wants to have any kind of civil war.

Stan B (123)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 1:56 am
Pogle. What planet are you living on? Did you actually listen to the clip or are you just shooting from the hip?
This has nothing to do with the Sun, Rupert Murdock or Donald Duck. Try to work things out for yourself for once without counting on your nonsensical liberal dogma.

Pogle S (88)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 2:11 am
Stan, in my opinion this whole scenario is by design; nothing to do with the Muslims vs Christians they are the puppets in the game, we are the watchers in a world where all social relations are mediated by the media. If this situation develops into a full blown conflict the only winners will be the 0.1% who despite your protests really does control the conditions of your life and you are sucking it up hook line and sinker just like Anjem Choudary and his followers.

Stan B (123)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 2:21 am
Pogle. I tried to check out your profile to better understand where you were coming from but according to Care 2 you don't have one. What's the buzz?

Pogle S (88)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 2:43 am
Just a glitch Stan! Nothing sinister I can assure you!
To answer your question you shouldn't be worrying about where I'm coming from but rather about where I'm going to my friend. I am dead set on living in a world not ripped asunder by forces beyond my apparent control. I believe in people power. It works on many levels. We can as you and the 'Muslims' seem intent on, create a global conflict between ideologies or we can as I and many others believe, look at the bigger picture, follow the money and rise above this (or any other) artificially created mire.

Pogle S (88)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 3:00 am
Stan, for your additional information read any of these little pocket books and you'll gain an insight into the 'situationist' mind.

I recommend that you start with 'The Spectacle' - 'The skeleton keys'. They are all a bit dated but are a very enlightening read because nothing has really changed!

Pogle S (88)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 3:38 am
Follow the money! A little know fact outside of Muslim circles is that they don’t do usury like they don’t do pork! Sharia has its own money arrangements; they make loans, sometimes very large loans, to one another without one single cent of interest on top! The top 0.01% of the bankers cannot live with that so they will construct situations that are designed to destroy them and if in that process it eliminates hundreds of thousands of ‘innocent’ people so much the better… more resources left over for their sole exploitation in the future! These people don’t plan ahead for ten or twenty years, no they plan for generations ahead!

Beth S (330)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 6:24 am
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Süheyla C (234)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 6:29 am

jan b (5)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 9:33 am
What I'm surprised that people believe the false rumors to promote hate against the jews.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 10:59 am
Pogle and Patrick, Will you feel the same when they show up in your neighborhoods eating up your tax dollars and planning jihad?
The only people exempt from their extremist actions are their fellow extremists.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 12:49 pm
The main reason most of those Muslims are in Europe and America is because European and American corporations have stolen their lands and made life unbearable for them in their own countries. Give them back what is rightfully theirs, then ship all the immigrants back to their own lands!

marie C (163)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 2:36 pm
We do care Patrick about how our countries are being dragged down with lazy takers
another comment which does not make sense is yours Robert such nonsense
Pogle you have a problem in my opinion I am shocked by your comments
We can not give give gives. The UK' s NHS is on its knees Muslims take transplants from anyone but only donate to other Muslims pushing for 10 children a family often not caring about genetic defects this costs millions

Stan B (123)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 3:28 pm
Marie. Some of these people live so far away from these problems that they don't have a clue about what's going on. As you live in the UK, I take your views much more seriously as you know what you're talking about. All my UK friends agree with you.

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Stan B (123)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 3:30 pm
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Pogle S (88)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 5:06 pm
My point is that if you haters refuse to wake up and see what is pulling your strings you are doomed!

Christian haters Vs Muslim haters will only serve to bring all of your houses down. If that is what you desire then so shall you be rewarded!

As I say nobody in their right minds wants any kind of violent conflagration so we won’t have it. :-)

Pogle S (88)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 5:10 pm
You haters are of course free to prove me wrong but you cannot hold me responsible for your own shortcomings because at the end of your days upon this beautiful planet the only judge you will face for your actions is yourself!

Only then will you realise that your lifelong attitude was all so unnecessary

Pogle S (88)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 5:33 pm
My mate Mark wrote on my Facebook page: ""He told a crowd of around 30 fanatics" - blimey, he's really got a mass following. Sorry, Sun / Mail / Express, but I don't feel threatened by my Muslim neighbours. The biggest threats to my way of life and civil liberties are mostly white, nominally "Christian" and running the gutter press and the Government.

Abiezer Coppe written and sung by Leon Rosselson

Stan B (123)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 12:22 am
Pogle. If your mate Mark wrote it, it must be true. LOL.

Pogle S (88)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 12:50 am
Stan, sorry to say but if you are not a part of the solution to the perceived problems in the world today then ipso facto you are the problem!

Stan B (123)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 12:55 am
Pogle. At least I understand what the problem is which, sadly, you do not.

Pogle S (88)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 1:20 am
Sadly Stan, I cannot raise you up to a higher consciousness and as I said earlier you will reap as you sow. I chose to use these words because they should resonate with the inculcation you have received throughout your life. I see through the illusion whereas by your daily thoughts and actions you turn it into a concrete reality!

I can give you an analogy: There are those of us who can see the entire forest like a Google Earth satellite whilst there are very many others of us who cannot even see the woods they live in for the trees blocking their view.


Beth S (330)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 3:13 am

We have been studying Islam for a number of years, and there is no question that on many counts, Islam far surpasses any other religion-political-ideology in terms of violence, hatred, power-usurping.

It's really not a matter of hatred. We don't hate Muslims as people and recognize there is often a distinction between the human beings and Islam. There are many Muslims who are good human beings and who do not embrace the supremacist, totalitarian, non-Muslim-hating ideology of Islam. I have Muslim friends, and I have ex-Muslim friends, and I can tell you that ex-Muslims HATE Islam far more than I could ever muster, PRECISELY because Islam, the ideology, is so hateful and spurs so many Muslims to do terrible things in its name.

The hatred largely emanates from Islam itself, and people like us are trying to expose the many very dangerous facets of Islam and its determination to take over the entire globe, which it very much intends to do.

Pogle, if you would like some information to corroborate what we are saying, we can provide it. But the bottom line is that people need to wake up to the huge threats that, unlike any other, Islam is to all of humankind.


Pogle S (88)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 4:41 am
Once again my point is that it's an artificially created situation that was seeded more than two thousand years ago and it is being brought to a head in the here and now. It stems from the misguided notion of Yahweh/God/Allah rather than the actual reality that exists between people that haven’t had their mindset twisted by constructed reality. I’d rather work toward defusing this situation than encouraging the taking up of arms and killing one another senselessly.

I’m not saying you are wrong Beth for bringing this issue to the attention of Care2 members but I’d recommend that you help people ameliorate it rather than let them inflame and worsen it.

You mention ex-Muslim friends, I have them too and ex-Christian and ex-Jewish friends. These are the people that have awoken to the falsehoods of their past inculcation. I won’t say it is difficult because its not, it is simple but it does require the courage to face and deal with the inevitable alienation and ostracism that is a necessary part of blossoming as a fully fledged human being.

For everything that can be accurately laid at the door of the Mosque equal and opposite things can be laid at the door of the Church. The history of the British Empire, American world domination, international corporations and especially at the feet of the very few bankers who occupy the very tip of the pyramid! They really are the invisible architects of the secret misery of everyday life.

Thank you for your offer of further information that bolsters your view point but I have all I need to be getting on with my work! As one of my mentors, the Dalai Lama says “This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness.” He also says “The purpose of life is to be happy.” I don’t think he mentions paranoia at all, unless of course it’s in relation to those that are paranoid about him!

Anyway I believe everyone here is smart enough to know what they are doing so all I can say is ‘crack on’ with it! :-)

bob m (32)
Friday February 22, 2013, 12:01 pm

tHEN THERE ARE THOSE POG; WHO SIT IN HIGH PLACES .. LIKE rulers IN HIGH PLACES.. WHO SIT IN JUDGEMENT AIRILY PONTIFICATING SMOKE AND MIRRORS TO THE GLORY OF THEIR OWN PURPOSES.. WHO TAKE DELIGHT AS THEIR FATHER IN PRIDE AND THE days that remain on earth for them in bafflegab and "spiritualism .. who sit like the 3 dumb monkeys mocking those who labour "beneath them in the tending of little truths which are the bulworks of tomorrows greatness before God.. but YOU would have none of these things surely.. encased as you are in the sarcophgus of atheism and universal "sufferage"... sniff sniff.....................................The Blood of Jesus shall never be covered up ..

Pogle S (88)
Friday February 22, 2013, 1:03 pm
Bob M Hahaha! Yeah that’s pretty much it mate but you left out the licentious Ranter bit! Haha! Enjoy your life!

marie C (163)
Friday February 22, 2013, 4:42 pm
Pogle you are just beginning to turn nasty Stan is right you are living on another planet
Bob M is a very knowledgeable man you sound like a jihadist sympathiser
I am not too sure anyone is taking you seriously you sound like a ranter to me not Bob

Keep listening to your mate
Hope you are celebrating today if you live in UK as we caught three would be suicide bombers who had trained in Pakistan of course British University educated


Stan B (123)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 2:08 am
Marie. You can take a horse to water......................... So it's not really worth wasting any more time on Pogle.
I read about the three Muslim suicide bombers you referred to. They were probably receiving welfare payments too. I hope Pogle and his mate aren't sitting on the next bus or train these ingrates decide to blow up.

Here's another example of Islamist gratitude in Sweden.

"Stockholm suicide bomber Taimour Abdulwahab received more money from the Swedish state than from his terrorist financiers, including a 54,000-kronor ($8,550) payout made after he bled to death in his failed terror bid.

All told, Abdulwahab received nearly 750,000 kronor ($119,000) from the Swedish National Board for Student Aid (Centrala studiestödsnämnden, CSN), the Dagens Nyheter (DN) newspaper reports.

The figure is more than ten times the estimated $8,000 sum cited in a Scottish court's conviction last year of Nesserdine Menni, who was sentenced to seven years in prison for funding Abdulwahab's December 2010 attack in Stockholm."

Helen Porter (39)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 5:27 am
I wonder about America?

Klaus Peters (14)
Sunday February 24, 2013, 8:39 am
Why do we let those fanatics in. They are useless to the country, bleed the welfare system and shoot us in the back. Send them back to hell. That is where they belong. Our lawyers make millions to let them in for "humanitarian reasons" and look at the result! I think the so called do gooders have lost the plot and will be the first to be consumed by Islam!
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