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Ohio: Muslim Students Say Chained to Wall, Beaten With Sticks for Not Memorizing Quran

Society & Culture  (tags: Ohio, Islamic school, children tied w/chains, beaten w/sticks, child abuse, violence )

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According to the police report, it all started when the public school teacher said how impressed she was with their knowledge of the Quran. In response, one of the students told her that, at their religious school, "if they do not learn their religious

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Beth S (330)
Wednesday December 11, 2013, 6:15 pm

COLUMBUS, Ohio - An investigation is underway after teachers at a Westerville school reported allegations of child abuse at a mosque.

Westerville police said the accusations came from children, who are 8, 9, and 10 years old.

A normal day of school at Mark Twain Elementary in Westerville took quite the turn, when several students in a class of mostly Somalis learning English, entered a discussion.

According to a Westerville Police report, the allegations were discovered after children told their teachers about the alleged actions at their religious school, which is part of the Masjid As-Salaamah mosque on Cleveland Avenue in Columbus.

According to the police report, it all started when the teacher said how impressed she was with their knowledge of the Quran.

In response, one of the students told her that, at their religious school, "if they do not learn their religious passages as they are instructed," they are sometimes "chained to a wall by their wrists and ankles and beaten with a long stick."

10TV spoke with a founding board member of the mosque, who said they never knew about any of the allegations until Franklin County Children Services stepped in.

"We understand the seriousness of this," said Mahdi Warsama, Masjid As-Salaamah Board Member.

After an internal investigation involving speaking to teachers and parents, Warsama said, "we couldn't find anything to support these allegations."

The police report states that another student told his teacher he witnessed beatings, was "beaten with a belt on his legs," and saw another student, who "had his head stepped on for complaining of a headache."

"We understand that these are innocent kids. These things cannot happen in our watch," said Warsama. "If there is any merit to these allegations, I assure you, Masjid As-Salaamah will deal with it professionally, and swiftly, and responsibly."

Westerville School says their policy is for teachers to report any allegations of child abuse. 10TV tried to speak with those teachers, but so far they have not responded to the requests.

Westerville School released the following statement: "Given the nature of the information shared by students with their teacher, school officials were obligated to immediately file a report with the authorities, which they did. Those authorities have determined that an investigation is merited."

Columbus police said the investigation is ongoing."



Beth S (330)
Wednesday December 11, 2013, 6:16 pm

Freya H (357)
Wednesday December 11, 2013, 6:20 pm
Sickening that such abuse should be inflicted on children. Kids learn different things at different rates. As Albert Einstein pointed out, we are all geniuses, but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb trees the fish will spend its entire life thinking it is stupid.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 11, 2013, 7:42 pm
I'm a rational logical thinking person... but i gotta say i'd love nothing more than to go there and whip these worthless sack of manure masquerading as humans. You don't treat children this way.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 11, 2013, 7:44 pm
Thanks Beth

Helen Porter (39)
Wednesday December 11, 2013, 10:42 pm
It is considered to be a virtue to lie to unbelievers.

If a person is unconscious or in tremendous pain, what the people around him say become commands that must be obeyed when they are tuned in. It's an effective way to implant commands into the brain and the subconscious mind.

Hilary S (65)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 12:50 am
yep, learning by example - way to go guys. they want to raise terrorists? sounds like they're on track there.

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 9:42 am
To think anyone would ALLOW this crap to be in America is a very sad case!! This must stop!!!! if they want to teach their barbaric ways to their youth they can take it all back where they came from! We have enough in this country just trying to teach our youth to be respectful of another and this goes way beyond anything comprehensible!

. (0)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 9:51 am

Thursday December 12, 2013, 10:35 am
This is a totally normal situation in Islamic communities in the USA, Canada, UK, France, Scandinavia or any other secular country where kids are forced to learn this Mediaeval ideology in immigrant Islamic communities by having the crap beaten out of them. Step (1) kids complain or witnesses come forward. Step (2) There is a friendly little chat between the spineless "authorities" and the spotless community during which Madrassa teachers or Mahdis vehemently deny that it ever happens Step (3) Brutal punishment will be delivered to whistle blowing kids. Step (4) Once everything is brushed under the carpet every one will return to their corners with beautific smiles on their ugly mugs except for the kids in pain.

In the UK there have even been programmes with undercover filming of brutality to kids in Madrassas. What happened? Read steps 2- 4 above to find out the answer!

Stan B (123)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 4:45 pm
Why is it that this religion is lacking in love and compassion at every single level?

Madhuri Pillai (22)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 9:12 pm

Rahman Qureshi (76)
Thursday December 12, 2013, 11:20 pm
Sadly, this level of insanity (meaning true Islam) is not uncommon. This is not the only instance of a pious Muslim beating their child for not knowing the Qur'an. Pious Muslima Sara Ege is serving a minimum of 17 years for recently being convicted in the UK of beating her 7 year old son to death for his failure to memorize Qur'an passages.

Considering Muslims are allowed, per Islamic Shari'a law as found in Umdat al-Salik, to kill their kids and grandkids for dishonoring their family, it should sicken but not surprise anyone when Muslims beat or kill their kids for a number of supposed infractions.

The Muslim teacher was following the teaching of child abuse relating to the Qur'an. Had those kids been sent home to pious Muslim parents, they would have beaten further or killed the kids for not memorizing the Quran.

Perhaps the failure of kids to memorize the filthy Qur'an has to do with Jesus' view of the kingdom of heaven already belonging to children. The goal of the Qur'an is to destroy the innocence of children and turn them into devils.

Stardust Noel (38)
Friday December 13, 2013, 12:42 pm
These despicable people abuse everyone, even their own.

Barbara K (60)
Friday December 13, 2013, 1:16 pm
Hope the adults get locked up for child abuse.

Birgit W (160)
Friday December 13, 2013, 3:14 pm

Past Member (0)
Friday December 13, 2013, 3:35 pm
Beth S just keeps pumping out the anti-Muslim, pro-Israeli propaganda!

marie C (163)
Friday December 13, 2013, 5:19 pm
Thanks Beth

Winn A (179)
Friday December 13, 2013, 8:18 pm

P. L. Neola (21)
Friday December 13, 2013, 11:59 pm
I do not believe the abuse will stop. I believe the instructors will make things more secretive inside the school. I mean like how a child pedophile terrorizes and uses scare tactics in order to keep their victims silent about the abuse.
These students will be frightened into silence. I would not be surprised if these children have already suffered some type of serious repercussion for exposing the school.

Inge B (202)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 12:04 am
Are Muslims really that bad and we so good?

Make Love not Hate
Make Peace not War

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 1:15 am
Atheism is winning! This is just one more reason why. Good people, switch on your critical faculties and point them at the organised religions of the world.

Jason R (67)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 11:47 am
Reminds me of how nuns treat students. Religion sucks!

Lois Jordan (63)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 1:52 pm
Jason (above) took the words right out of my mouth!

Beth S (330)
Saturday December 14, 2013, 3:04 pm
Robert, this column would just not feel right if you weren't on here saying the same old thing. Just a small reminder that I just post the articles, I don't right them.

Inge, the more you know about Islam, the more that you will be able to answer that question yourself. That platitude, while it may feel good and righteous to say, will not work against Jihadists and Nazis.

Portland, I think you've hit the nail right on the head. I would say that there is a 99.99% certainty that that will happen.

Jason and Lois, that may have been true at one time, but I don't believe that it is in these days.

Inge B (202)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 3:00 am
Beth S.
We have a New-Nazi party in Sweden now who is the third largest party, and they say the same as you Beth that Muslims and Roma are worse people, Hitler's propaganda was the same, but then was the Jews and Roma who were exposed.

The answer is LOVE not Hate

Jason R (67)
Sunday December 15, 2013, 8:58 am

Gillian M (218)
Monday December 16, 2013, 1:05 pm
Inge, Are you aware that Muslims have forced most of the Jews out of the country? That they are raping women and that is from your police, not from me.

You insult Jews when you compare them and their suffering to Muslims. Muslims do not suffer, they come in and take over. A Jew was walking his dog when he was assaulted by a Muslim for doing so. He pushed the Muslim away from himself (self protection) but HE was arrested and charged with assault.

Even the European Court of Human Rights has said on several occasions that Islam is in breach of the UN Convention of Human Rights but for public safety they are reluctant to enforce the ruling. Now, when was the last time you saw Protestants rioting, as Muslims did in Sweden? When did you see Catholics objecting to funny cartoons of the Pope in the paper and burning everything in sight? When did you see the Germans attack the America embassy and kidnap the ambassador, killing, raping him and cutting off his genitals?

Sorry, I didn't hear that answer.

I'm not saying that all non-Muslims are wonderful and that all Muslims are terrible but non-Muslims tend not to cut the noses and ears off their wives and children before chucking acid over them. And, if non-Muslims did that in Sweden, then the perpetrator would be arrested and the victim receive treatment. We tend not to marry our daughters off for marriage to a 40 or even 70 year old male nor do we tend to stone or hang women to death for unproven adultery or lash a teenage pregnant rape victim to death.

In fact Inge, you are lucky because in Sweden you are usually regarded as equal to a male, Muslim women aren't. Of course, Muslim males in Sweden don't regard you are equal, they regard you as white meat totally available for their use and discard. The same applies to your mother, sister(s) and daughter(s).

Gillian M (218)
Monday December 16, 2013, 1:13 pm
Beth, you cannot change Robert, he is an older male with a fixed mind set. I meet his ilk all the time and even if something happened in front of him he would not believe it.

I fail to see anywhere that this article is pro-Israel so that is obviously an incorrect statement. As for anti-Muslim, this is an article about teachers in a school reporting child abuse at a mosque. So, the teachers are racist? Would it be OK if the abuse had happened at a church or a temple? Or is the concept of child abuse abhorrent to any decent person and they feel it is important to report it regardless of the ethnic origin of the child, rather like Beth & I would do.

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Monday December 16, 2013, 8:45 pm
There are too many liberals that can't see the light of day so anything they are tried to be made aware of it's like beating your head against a wall! We can see through them so anyone new to this kind of moronic backwoods behavior by Muslims they will still be able to see the atrocity of it in spite of the morons who come up with asinine attacking comments on the messenger! I do not waste my precious time on any of them anymore including Jason because there is no common sense with these people at all! The only thing they know how to do is attack the messenger and come out with their insane liberal Communist/Socialist agenda just because they do not agree!! It does not take a rocket scientist to see through their ignorance! Stupid is as stupid does!

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Monday December 16, 2013, 8:46 pm
Robert O..Keep drinking the Kool Aid!!!

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Monday December 16, 2013, 9:02 pm
Inge..I would love to see you walk up to the members of the Muslim Brotherhood and tell them "make love not hate!" Want to make a bet on the outcome!?

Alexa R (319)
Monday December 16, 2013, 11:39 pm
Inge, your hate filled tirade against Beth is unwarranted and untrue. Where is your love, when you are trying to preach love to everybody else?

I happen to know Beth as a friend and she says nothing like Hitler. She is filled with love and compassion towards all humankind and animals - therefore her un-retiring effort in speaking out against evil deeds committed. Hitler never spoken out about evil deeds.

Don't you know that speaking out about evil deeds committed by other people is called tough love?


fly bird (26)
Monday December 16, 2013, 11:55 pm
Hypocrisy is not "tough love". Consistently attempting to smear and spread hate is not, in any way, the same as exposing evil, or so called "facts".
All things considered .. love, faith and hope, and the greatest of these is love.
Not "tough love".

fly bird (26)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 12:02 am
If I am no mistaken, this undated clip of abuse allegations was previously posted ..

Shil O (0)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 12:49 am
@ Inge bjorkman
"Are muslims really that bad" -- If they are devout "Yes" ...if they are not devout - they are apostate and worthy of death.
now it does not take a genius to work that out --- the truth is out there for those who seek it

@Robert O
"Beth S just keeps pumping out the anti-Muslim propaganda"

I am curious as to your response to a news article where children are possibly being tortured (which is what this could turn out to be ) and quite frankly it seems to be in keeping with Islamic behaviour
Are you actually saying that if the evil muslims do is drawn to your attention -- that is being anti muslim
or that muslims should be allowed to commit their evil behaviours because it is part of their religious tenets
Just wondering ???

@Jason R
Obama is looking for you-- he's missing a drone


Inge B (202)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 1:12 am
So much to respond to, why are you so upset ?
These links you access are not true it's just vicious propaganda often written by the Swedish Nazi party, many in the Swedish police and security police are Nazis. The group is accused of Swedish potentates having murdered Olof Palme.

No, I insult no Jews it is the Swedish Nazi movement who insult Muslims , Roma and Jews .
I live in the Swedish bible belt in Sweden and I have my doors open to all groups of people, this will most be Swedish Christian groups who wants my soul , when I take up the role of Jews in history , then a terrible hatred arise and they says that the Jews killed our Messiah and that there will be a holocaust that will last for seven years.
Then it is I who defend you and says that everyone has the right to live a peaceful life here on earth and I tell them to avoid hat and humiliation. many of these people belong to the Conservative Party and the Nazi Party.

A German group called The Baader Meinhof Complex or Red Army Faction attacked the German Embassy in Stockholm in 1975 and claimed four lives.

I would not say that Muslims are better than others, but I would not say we are better than anyone else.
In Sweden, the Swedish law that exists and not any law from any religion.

I also want to point out that here in Sweden, it is very common for older Swedish Christian men go to Thailand and the Philippines and marries a young woman.

I hope that Muslim women should see our Swedish equal women and then slowly and safely change the setting Muslim faith has on the woman.

Alexa R.
"Hitler never spoke out about evil deeds".? Who said that? I claim only that Hitler spoke of Jews in a derogatory way.
No, I do not hate Beth, on the contrary, I want Beth to understand what has been done historically and to be able to see that hatred does not lead to anything other than death and suffering.

Love to you ALL

Inge B (202)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 1:32 am
No one is born hating another person because of the colour of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite.


This man drove out hatred and apartheid in South Africa. Replacing hatred with love

Love is the Answer

fly bird (26)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 2:11 am
Well said, Inge. Wise words from Nelson Mandela.
Fear and hate perpetuate violence.

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 11:24 am
Inge, I have no idea which world you live in but to absolutely discard stories because you don't want to believe in them so accuse the Nazis of writing them. I hate to burst your bubble but not everything

I also note that you have ignored the attack on a Jew in the UK and the European Court of Human Rights, are they also run by Nazis? Is the whole of Europe run by Nazis because there are similar stories across Europe?


Alexa R (319)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 11:26 am
Inge Bjorkman (82)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 1:12 am

I want Beth to understand what has been done historically and to be able to see that hatred does not lead to anything other than death and suffering.


And Beth wants you to understand what has been done historically and so do I.

And may you one day see your own lies of claiming you do not hate Beth yet you place words in Beth's mouth then go on to say that the words she never spoke is the same as those the most evil of person's (Hitler) uttered.

And you call this love to ALL?

So help me G-d. With 'love' like this, who needs enemies?!?

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 11:52 am
jess b (8)
Monday December 16, 2013, 11:55 pm
All things considered .. love, faith and hope, and the greatest of these is love.
Not "tough love".


The Bible, even the New Testament disagrees 100% with you Jess, I quote:

“You have loved righteousness and you have hated evil; because of this, God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of a joy beyond your companions.” ~Hebrews 1:9

13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” 17 His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.

18 The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?” ~ John 2

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell. ~ Matthew 5

33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. ~Matthew 12

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, ‘Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling-block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.’ ~ Matthew 16


Alexa R (319)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 11:55 am
“You have loved righteousness and you have hated evil; because of this, God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of a joy beyond your companions.” ~Hebrews 1:9

This is exactly the kind of tough love that Beth is doing -- the Bible, even the New Testament is clear that she will be richly blessed for it by none other than G-d Himself.

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 12:14 pm
Jessica, I assume that the Muslims' ethnic cleansing of Christians in the Middle East (including Gaza), Indonesia and many countries in Africa is to show friendship and love? Or are hatred by Muslims causing Christians to fear for their lives?

Inge B (202)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 2:42 pm
I'm sorry that you can not experience love, that is awesome when it affects humans, it is strong and invulnerable, absolutely wonderful and you can not find it in any Bible, Koran or any other book or God, it is within you, search inside yourselves, everything else is just words and babbling.

Love to All

Beth S (330)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 6:57 pm

I'm sorry you don't seem to be able to poke your head out of your little love bubble to have any idea about what the reality is.

You are also extremely arrogant and presumptuous to tell ANY of us that we "can not experience love."

Arrogance permeates everything you write under the guise of love, when you are closed-minded and it would take someone with a sword slicing your head off, or any number of the 90% of rapists in Sweden who are Muslim to push you down and give it to you, until get off your little trip.

Time to wake up. It's great to love. Knowing reality and knowing fear is also a gift of love from God.

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 6:57 pm
Inge..Somewhere along the line you are getting love and the fact of defying the hatred and abuse of Muslims confused! Maybe you will call those who murder and maim loving people and want to bow down to them but most of the sane people I know who find their actions barbaric, cold, callous and totally inhumane understand that no human being that is a true human being will do actions like this and know that this type of person in incapable of learning love, compassion, understanding, respect or anything associated with it! You make yourself look truly uniformed and ignorant to the tragic actions that these barbarians partake in!!!

fly bird (26)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 10:20 pm
"defying the hatred and abuse of Muslims confused." I don't think so.
Think about that.

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 11:00 pm

jess b (8)
Tuesday December 17, 2013, 10:20
Think about that.

I thought about it. Naeh. You are wrong.

In my humble and limited experience love is not confusing. Love is unmistakably clear and honest.


Inge B (202)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 1:21 am
Beth S.
No, it's true Beth, I do not want to get out of my bubble of Love, I understand now that I read your posts from GM, Alexa, Shil, Carol and you there is no love in the world that can affect you, you're all stuck in your bubble of hate and I do not understand who should be able to change that, you are talking in the same way as the Christian groups I have here on Sundays, you are blinded by religious stance and hatred.

I want to make my trip in my bubble together with Nelson Mandela, Mahatma Gandhi and Dalai Lama.
Let LOVE come near You

Gillian M (218)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 3:48 am
Inge, I believe that you are being deliberately stupid. All you do is accuse us of hatred when we produce stories and evidence of that you dislike.

To begin with you claim that we have fallen for Nazi propaganda from sites that have nothing whatsoever to do with them. Then you ignore other incidents and even several court cases which legal process has shown that Islam is not consistent with the UN Convention of Human Rights, hardly a Nazi run organisation. In fact, the court has shown concern that the ruling is enforced may affect public safety.

So, because we disagree with you, show you the truth and state that we are concerned about the welfare of children regardless of their ethnic origins (which you have failed to mention so what does that make you?) we live in a bubble of hate. Better a bubble of hate where we do what we can to help all people regardless of race, creed or colour than to float in a bubble of "love" that ignores this suffering and fails to help anyone. In fact, that sounds far more like a bubble of indifference which allows suffering to happen. Your attitude reminds me of this quote by Santayana where YOU ignore the suffering it is destined to be repeated

"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Gillian M (218)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 3:49 am
Inge, by the way, does ignoring the ethnic cleansing of Christians help them in any way?

Gillian M (218)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 3:54 am
jess, if you are not confused, could you please explain why you do not condemn the ethnic cleansing of Christians across the world, as I have asked above? Why you do not condemn the abuse against the Muslim children in this article (the actual reason of this post) or the abuses in general by Muslims against apostates, Muslim women and children, non-Muslim people, Muslim gays etc?

Is it that floating in the bubble of love, like Inge does, allow you to ignore the suffering and deaths that they go through? Or are you wilfully blind?

Shil O (0)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 5:10 am
The more I read of these posts the more I am convinced that many are muslim using western name styles like burka Bjorkman because only the dimmest could fail to see how nonmuslims are being treated in Islamic countries. Why even in Sweden
Sweden has the second highest rate of rape in the world also
Serious crime is increasing to an extent that should keep the government and parliament sleepless at night. Crime is increasing beyond all control. Sweden is a raped and violence-torn country located at the top of international comparisons. According to a report by the UN agency UNDC (United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime) recently, Sweden is at number 2 in the UN statistics with 53.2 reported rapes per 100 000 inhabitants. Only Lesotho, a small country in south Africa, has more reported rapes than Sweden. The league table looks like this:
1. Lesotho: 91.6
2. Sweden: 53.2
3. USA: 28.6
4. Zimbabwe: 25.6
5. Norway: 19.8
6. Israel: 17.6
Despite the high Swedish number, there are far more cases that go unreported.

Strange definition of "Love"-- seems a little one sided

Oh and BTW male rape is also rising
Figures from the National Crime Prevention Council (Brottsförebyggande rådet, Brå) show that 132 men reported being raped in 2012, compared with 94 reports filed in 2010 and more than three times as many as the 41 reports filed in 2007

Feel the love

but I digress -- isn't it strange how obfuscation can divert attention from the topic in hand,many of these posts including my own bear no relevance to the subject.
Beth you were absolutely correct to bring this to our attention and I thank you and am sorry a subject of genuine concern to most of us has been the subject of obfuscation and I can only conclude the purpose of this obfuscation was to bury truth in irrelevancies which I have observed is a typical Islamic tactic


Inge B (202)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 9:45 am
A story from reality, on Sunday, it was a peaceful and lawful demonstration in Stockholm against racism, suddenly there appeared an illegal counter-demonstration who was organized by the Nazis and they were throwing firebombs into demnstrations, police arrived quickly and protected the Nazis, this was on news today. Can you read Swedish so there is a link here.
You can not make war and bully away the suffering, it's better like Sweden do, to receive refugees and then integrate them into society as we did in the second world war.
Stop thinking so much about religion, you have only this life, came out to us in reality and help where the suffering is, and being a bit stupid, it does not matter.

Love is

Inge B (202)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 10:03 am
Here is an answer from burka Bjorkman.
That our rape statistics are so high is because even sexual assault counts as rape in Sweden, and that women in Sweden are more confident and dare to report rape.
I also note that in US.s army so happens that 26,000 rapes each year.
I understand that you are filled with fear and dread, and therefore you can not keep a normal discussion without starting to become unpleasant and nasty.

Try Love

Lee Hampton (15)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 10:30 am


Can you ask the Muslims to try love instead of killing? Then nobody would have a problem. We'd all be safe.

Could you maybe get on some of those Islamic hate sites, you know, where they tell their followers to go out and kill Jews and Christians and tell them to please try love, instead?

Maybe you can find a way to get a hold of the Muslims in the countries who are doing this? It would be really great if you could give them that message so they would stop slaughtering people.

Here's what I mean.

More Slaughter in Muslim Lands; Media, Governments Silent
Muslim Persecution of Christians: October, 2013
by Raymond Ibrahim
December 17, 2013 at 4:00 am
"Don't they know that the Koran orders us to slit the throat of whoever is disrespectful to Allah's beloved prophet?" — Representative of Jamaat ud Dawa.
Although Christians are habitually killed in Muslim countries, as this series attests, the U.S. government rarely condemns the practice or even acknowledges it.
Two of the most tragic Islamic attacks on Christians, killing several women and children, took place in the month of October, one in Syria, another in Egypt.
On October 21 in Syria, U.S.-supported Islamist rebels invaded and occupied the ancient Christian settlement of Sadad for over a week, until ousted by the Syrian army. What took place that week was "the largest massacre of Christians in Syria," in the words of Orthodox Archbishop Alnemeh. Among other things, 45 Christians—including women and children—were killed, several were tortured to death; mass graves were discovered; all of Sadad's 14 churches, some ancient, were ransacked and destroyed; the bodies of six people from one family, ranging from ages 16 to 90, were found at the bottom of a well (an increasingly common fate for "subhuman" Christians).
The jihadis also made a graphic video (with English subtitles) of those whom they massacred, while shouting Islam's victory-cry, "Allahu Akbar!" ["Allah is Greater!," meaning "than anything"]. Another video, made after Sadad was liberated, shows more graphic atrocities.
The day before rebels invaded Sadad, on Sunday, October 20, the Church of the Virgin Mary in Warraq, near Cairo, Egypt, was attacked during a wedding ceremony. The attack left four dead and nearly two dozen wounded. According to a report issued by a forensic team, two of those murdered were young girls, each named Mary: 12-year-old Mary Nabil Fahmy, who was shot five times in the chest, and 8-year-old Mary Ashraf Masih ("Masih" meaning "Christ"), who was shot in the back.
The security forces charged with protecting the church were seen leaving their posts immediately before the massacre began, as happens frequently in Egypt and other Islamic nations. In the words of Asia News, "Eye-witnesses of the al-Warraq attack confirm that despite numerous distress calls, police and ambulances only arrived on the scene two hours after the shooting."
These massacres in Syria and Egypt received scant attention and even less condemnation from Western media and governments. Instead, people such as Mohamed Elibiary, an Obama administration Homeland Security adviser, condemned Copts who raise awareness of anti-Christian violence in Egypt as promoting "Islamophobic" bigotry.
Although Christians are habitually killed in Muslim countries, as this series attests, the U.S. government rarely condemns the practice or even acknowledges it. When five Muslims were killed in western Burma, however, the U.S. issued a formal condemnation, according to Voice of America, "urging authorities to do more to address the long-standing sectarian tension there."
The rest of October's roundup of Muslim persecution of Christians around the world includes (but is not limited to) the following accounts, listed by theme and country in alphabetical order, not necessarily according to severity:
Apostasy, Blasphemy, Proselytism
Bangladesh: "A local government official in central Bangladesh has halted the construction of a church, forced Christians to worship at a mosque and threatened them with eviction from their village unless they renounce their faith," said Morning Star News. "The Tangail Evangelical Holiness Church in Bilbathuagani village… was created Sept. 8 by a group of about 25 Christians who had been meeting secretly for three years. However, local council chairman Rafiqul Islam Faruk joined around 200 demonstrators Sept. 13 to protest against the start of the building of the church. The following day, the Christians were summoned to his office. More than 1,000 Muslims waited outside, following an announcement at all local mosques to gather at the chairman's office." There, they were ordered to embrace Islam or suffer the consequences. Said one of the Christians: "Their threats chilled me to the bone. That is why I pretended to accept Islam, but faith in Christ is the wellspring of my life." Another said: "The chairman is clipping the wings of our faith. I do not know how long we can grin and bear it. We want religious freedom. We want to practice our religion freely." Since Sept. 14, under the chairman's orders, eight Christians agreed to return to Islam. Apparently, the chairman and his associates had already beaten some of these Christians three years ago for accepting Christianity.
Iran: Mariam Naqqash, a female convert to Christianity, was sentenced to four years in prison by a court in Tehran. The Christian convert was found guilty of "endangering national security by spreading religious propaganda in the country," and allegedly being a spy for Britain and Israel. According to Adnkronos News, "renouncing the Muslim faith is punishable [in Iran] with the death penalty. Over 300 Iranian converts to Christianity have been arrested over the past two years, according to opposition websites."
Kazakhstan: After Bakhytzhan Kashkumbayev, a 67-year-old pastor, was released from five months' detention, based on charges his family and others insist are spurious. After being reunited with his family, he was arrested again within minutes, now accused of "propaganda of terrorism or extremism, or public calls to commit an act of terrorism or extremism, as well as the distribution of material of the content indicated." His son, Askar, told Forum 18 News Service, "These new accusations are complete rubbish. They're trying to turn my father into a terrorist." Grace Church in Astana, where Kashkumbayev served, has, according to the report, long been subject to state harassment, including accusations of being involved in espionage, fraud, money laundering, distributing extremist texts and using hallucinogenic communion drinks.
Kenya: Charles Matole, pastor of the Redeemed Gospel Church, was found shot dead while still sitting with a Bible on his lap: "We found him with blood oozing from the head," said a choir member. The pastor had been receiving threatening phone text messages. Similarly, Pastor Ebrahim Kidata of the East African Pentecostal Churches was found murdered, strangled to death, in a patch of bushes.
• After a Muslim man slaughtered a Christian—in broad daylight and in front of police—accusing him of being "an infidel who blasphemed against Muhammad" (see September report), a group of armed men broke into the dead man's family home, threatening to kill its members if they did not withdraw their police complaint against the murderer, and convert to Islam. Fr. Arshad Gill, a priest in Karachi, told Asia News "about this 'sad story' in which the victim is 'an innocent man' and his family is told to convert to Islam or die. For him, the case epitomizes the situation of Pakistan's minorities, forced to live 'in conditions of profound insecurity' in which events such as this one tend to exacerbate the situation…. Found in Article 295, B and C of the Pakistan Penal Code, the [blasphemy] 'law' punishes with death or life in prison anyone who desecrates the Qur'an or defames the name of the Prophet Muhammad." Those few political activists who have tried to repeal the law—such as Punjab Governor Salman Taseer, a Muslim, and Minorities Minister Shahbaz Bhatti, a Christian—have been murdered.
• Three other Pakistani Christians face a possible death sentence on what lawyer Sardar Mushtaq Gill says are "trumped up charges" of blasphemy. One of the Christians, Asif Pervaiz, is accused of sending phone text messages with "abusive language against Muslims, Islam, Prophet Mohammed and the Koran." Two other Christians, Pastor Adnan and Mushtaq Masih, were also arrested for allegedly writing "derogatory remarks" about Islam. Gill also said, "Days back we received some heart breaking information that there is one group who forced Christians to accept Islam at gun point."
• Another Christian man accused of blasphemy, 26-year-old Adnan Masih, trained as a pastor at a United Pentecostal seminary, is being hunted by police. In addition, the banned Islamic extremist group, Jamaat ud Dawa, in Lahore, issued a fatwa, or Islamic decree, calling for his death because he sought to correct misconceptions about Christianity in a Muslim book by noting biblical verses that refuted Islamic characterizations of Christianity. A source said that the hunted man had no idea that "pointing out false references in a book would land him in such big trouble." In the words of a representative of Jamaat ud Dawa: "The police better arrest the blasphemer and hand him over to us on Saturday [Oct. 19]. We will not be responsible for any law-and-order situation in the city if the police fails to keep its assurance. How dare someone use derogatory language against our beloved prophet … Don't they know that the Koran orders us to slit the throat of whoever is disrespectful to Allah's beloved prophet."
• Rana Tanveer, a chief reporter for The Express Tribune, received a one-page letter in Urdu threatening him to stop covering the plight of minorities. He was further accused of being an "apostate" for allegedly sympathizing with Christians and Ahmadis, instead of with their Sunni Muslim oppressors. He was also threatened with death, "from where you cannot even imagine." Tanveer, a Muslim, insists that all his reports are objective and based on facts.
Egypt: After Muslims in al-Minya district accused a young man of having an illicit relationship with a Muslim woman, violence erupted against the village's Christians (see September report). The father of the Christian man insists that there was no relationship between his son and the Muslim woman, whose family, in his words, "actually had their daughter undergo a gynecological exam, which proved the woman is 'untouched' [a virgin]." Instead, according to the father and many Copts in the village, "the whole story was fabricated by Muslim hard-liners from neighboring village to cause sectarian strife." According to a separate Arabic report, "criminal groups and gangs managed to acquire guns and weapons and, as usual, have attacked and abused the Christians … [and] forced Copts to pay large amounts of money as tax [jizya] in order not to steal and/or plunder their lands." The report also points out that no one does anything to oppose these gangs: "they simply kill Christians and their families as happened in the village of Shameiya when two Copts refused to pay the tax: the gang killed them and this was repeated in many other villages belonging to the governorate of Asyut. It is becoming so normal now to watch as these crimes against Christians occur day by day and nothing is done."
Indonesia: Still insisting that Susan Jasmine Zulkifli, a Christian woman appointed governor of the sub-district of Lenteng Agung, in West Java, be removed solely because of her faith (see September report), Muslim protesters stepped up their threats, including carrying a coffin in a protest march of some 600 Muslims—a clear death threat —and waving flags symbolic of death. The Christian woman had been promoted in June by the Governor of Jakarta, who said in response: "I make my choices based on merits, not looking at religion."
Iran: After being arrested in a house church December 2012 and charged with consuming alcohol in violation of the Islamic theocracy's laws, four Christians were sentenced to 80 lashes for drinking communion wine. "The sentences handed down to these members of the Church of Iran effectively criminalize the Christian sacrament of sharing in the Lord's Supper and constitute an unacceptable infringement on the right to practice faith freely and peaceably," a human rights activist said.
Iraq: The nation's Christians, more than half of whom have fled since the U.S.-led invasion a decade ago, are now also being targeted in and fleeing from northern Iraq, which until recently was considered a relatively safe region for Christians fleeing violence in the south. Recently, for example, a suicide bomb went off outside the home of Christian politician Emad Youhanna in Rafigayn, part of the Kirkuk province, injuring 19 people, including three of his children. Several more bomb attacks have also taken place in the northern city of Erbil, for which al-Qaeda claimed responsibility. According to Christian News, "In early September, Christians in the village of Deshtakh complained that they were facing harassment from local police. A group of Christian young people said that policemen told them that they 'should not be in Iraq because it is Muslim territory.' Violence in the south of the country is also escalating. Church leaders in Baghdad say that there are attacks on Christians every two or three days."
Lebanon: Muslims in the historically Christian nation are appropriating Christian land. According to Agenzia Fides: "An urgent reminder to curb the misuse of land belonging to Christians in order to build housing for the Muslims was launched on Monday, October 14 from Talal al- Doueihy, leader of the Movement 'Lebanese Land, our Land'…. Across the Country there are outbreaks of clashes due to problem regarding land. Last week, in the Christian village of Alma (district of Zghorta) residents had complained that the Muslims of the area of al-Fuar had begun to build houses without permission. Already at the end of August, the same Maronite Patriarch Bechara Boutros Rai had called Christians to limit the sale of their property to avoid jeopardizing the demographic-confessional balance."
Pakistan: After the bombs in the church of All Saints in Peshawar, where nearly 90 people, including many women and children, died, Agenzia Fides reported that, "the situation remains tense in the Pakistani society: not only tragedy but also horror. The Christians said they were 'horrified' by the rumors that link the bombs in Peshawar to the vast problem of organ trafficking: this is what some members of NGOs in civil society in Pakistan told Fides. Some of the 'jackals,' presumably local paramedics, seem to have taken advantage of the high number of deaths and injuries in order to steal the bodies of victims and exploit them for the illegal organ trade. 'If this were true, it would mean that there are criminals who are taking advantage of the suffering of Christian victims in a truly blasphemous and sacrilegious manner,' notes Fr. Mario Rodrigues, a priest of Karachi." Meanwhile, some of the Christian survivors who mourned the deaths of loved ones too openly, were attacked, beaten, and threatened with death. Finally, in a separate story, a Christian, Harrison Masih, working in a store, who used to debate religion with a Muslim customer, Maulvi Khalad, got into an argument when Khalad tried to get him to convert to Islam, "telling him that he would enter paradise that way." But, as Harrison related, because he refused to convert and apparently did not want want any trouble, "I quit my job at the medical store but Khalid, and three other men, came to my house and threatened me and my family."
About this Series
While not all, or even most, Muslims are involved, the persecution of Christians in the Islamic world is on its way to reaching pandemic proportions. "Muslim Persecution of Christians" was developed to collate some—by no means all—of the instances of persecution that surface each month. It serves two purposes:
1) To document that which the mainstream media often seems to fail to report.
2) To suggest that such persecution is not "random" but systematic.
These accounts span different ethnicities, languages, and locations.
Raymond Ibrahim is author of Crucified Again: Exposing Islam's New War in Christians (published by Regnery in cooperation with Gatestone Institute, April 2013).
Previous reports
 September, 2013
 August, 2013
 June, 2013
 May, 2013
 April, 2013
 March, 2013
 February, 2013
 January, 2013
 December, 2012
 November, 2012
 October, 2012
 September, 2012
 August, 2012
 July, 2012
 June, 2012
 May, 2012
 April, 2012
 March, 2012
 February, 2012
 January, 2012
 December, 2011
 November, 2011
 October, 2011
 September, 2011
 August, 2011


Alexa R (319)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 10:42 am
What a nasty and unpleasant comment by Inge, insisting that we are supposedly 'filled with fear and dread ...hatred..'

Are you going to keep bullying us on this issue until you've brainwashed us into your view of what we're supposedly filled with?

What a lot of empty words... You're wasting your time... We're not buying it...

But please be our guest with your nasty and unpleasant personal attacks...

Inge B (202)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 11:40 am
Lee H
Thanks Lee, I feel honored by the power you think I have , had I been in the position that I could save the world , I would have done it and I am the first to want peace and tranquility in the world, I have given up on man many years ago , now I practice is to try to save nature and animals .
I think we are way too many people in the world and therefore has no children of their own , I 'm a vegan for 45 years and think that I have taken my responsibility in life.
What I have learned in life is that love is the deepest insight you may be gifted with .
I also know that many people get provoked by that I have been afflicted by love , usually these people are my contrarily, and I'm interested in how these people think and I feel that the hatred of love becomes so great that I get sad and feel great sorrow .
So therefore , I continue to work with nature and animals where do I respond to my love , that's weird that animals react more positively to love than religious people.
Why is everyone so mad and angry ?


Inge B (202)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 12:04 pm
Alexa R.
It's hard to bully while being one person, I know you previously regarding Stockholm burning and then you said that the riots in Husby was an Islamic spring and we were naive and stupid in Sweden who did not understand this, I on my side said it was a police murder that sparked riots, and so it was. I think you have a big problem to solve, can you understand what?
There is probably no risk that you will be brainwashed, you are so strong in your religion and are already brainwashed by it, it also applies to Islam, Christianity, etc.
a never-ending story.

wish you Love

Alexa R (319)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 1:47 pm
Not enough for you to put words in Beth's mouth that she never said, you try to put words in my mouth now too...

I said none of what you claim here... Neither did you say then what you claim now...

wish you Love right back ...


Alexa R (319)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 1:52 pm
BTW most police are good people...

They protect society against those committing crimes...

Lee Hampton (15)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 2:55 pm


But with your deep sense of love and insight, it seems almost terrible not to try to reach out to those Muslims in Sweden who believe that what the Koran says about Muslims are superior to everyone else, and that they can take as many sex slaves as they want, and they should conquer by terrorizing people and make them abide by sharia. You know what I mean?

The vast majority of the Islamic world hates us nonMuslims. With your deep insights and love, maybe if you talked to those people, you could share with them that love is the only true way, that they're getting people frightened and defensive by acting the way they do, and that if they just threw down their swords and guns and loved people, the world would be a much better place.

Just think if they understood that their children wouldn't have to die in those horrible car bombs going on all around. I know that they think they are training their children for martyrdom and that if they die while killing nonMuslims then they can go to heaven.

But they have to understand that even though they think sharia and the Koran is the most important thing, we can pull them away from this nihilistic insanity. But you could lead the way explain to them that love is the solution.

I mean shouldn't this be tried for Muslims and nonMuslims? How can we know it won't work unless we bring that message of love to the Islamic world?

We must love. Even if it puts us in danger. We need to risk our lives for love.

Don't worry about the toll that Islamic slaughter takes. We need to just remember to love them.


Gillian M (218)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 3:24 pm
Inge, still waiting to hear about the ethnic cleansing of Christians and your concept of love, how will it help?

Gillian M (218)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 3:37 pm
Inge - I gave you this link which you obviously didn't read. There is a graph there showing that in 1975 there were no reported rapes and in 2011 there were over 15,000. The only change in Sweden is the increase of Muslim immigrants.

Cecilia Malmström, the unkept ragged European Commissioner for Home Affairs, do not care about the rapidly rising rape crimes against children in her own country or through Europe by the Muslim immigrants she has backed to have entry into Europe. She has promised that more Muslim terrorists and extreme misogynists cloaked as asylum seekers, must be admitted into Europe so crime, rape and murder can increase even more. Malmström is eager to let women and children be raped and abused in Sweden so she can appear politically correct and pretend to be a humanitarian..

In the first seven months of 2013, over 1,000 Swedish women reported being raped by Muslim immigrants in the capital city of Stockholm. Over 300 of those were under the age of 15. The number of rapes is up 16% so far this year compared to 2012 numbers. A large proportion of the increase include rape of young [pre-teen] girls. [Bing translated]

The official radio report quoted from BRÅ (The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention) refuses to mention the M-word in the socialist-suffocated Sweden, a country held hostage by the extreme left. But when you contact senior police and government sources they confirm (anonymous in fear of losing their jobs) that these numbers represent Muslims. And a majority of these rape cases are caused by Malmström’s new asylum seekers.

And these numbers are only the tip of the ice berg. According to the authorities, Sweden’s real rape statistics are 400-900% higher than official numbers. The BRÅ website states:

“As few as 10-20 percent of all sexual offences are reported to the police. The Swedish Crime Survey (Nationella trygghetsundersökningen, NTU) provides a better picture of the extent of criminality, with data on both victims as well as perpetrators — which is lacking in the criminal statistics. Of those who are suspected for sexual offences, the majority are men and only about two percent are women. A majority of the victims are women. In a third of reported rapes, the victim is younger than 15.”

In spite of these horrid numbers and Sweden’s rapid increase in rape statistics, EU Commissions nutter and Swede Cecilia Malmström wants even more Muslims to arrive to her country, and to have access to the rest of Europe

Cecilia Malmström is the European Commissioner for Home Affairs. She used to be a politician for the Liberal Party in Sweden, but moved on to the EU level when she was elected to the European Parliament in 1999, and was later elevated further to serve on the European Commission.

Part of Ms. Malmström’s job is to oversee immigration policy for the European Union. Like most functionaries in the upper reaches of the EU bureaucracy, she favors the cultural enrichment of Europe through mass Third-World immigration. She and other unelected Eurocrats in Brussels decide how much and what kind of immigration is best for the EU, and then impose their diktats on the member states.

Read Geert Wilder’s letter to this truly insane, horrid woman Cecilia Malmström who clearly doesn’t care at all about the safety of women and young children in her own country.

Cecilia Malmström was a left-wing liberal in Sweden. Incidentally the left-wingers were the terrorists of Europe before Islam began terrorising everyone. Left-wingers were regularly investigated by security services pre 1990 for violence and inciting violence and stirring up problems.

Gillian M (218)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 3:40 pm
Now we come to the Jewish suffering in Sweden, not that it has anything to do with the article.

I can’t say I was shocked by the phone call and emails from Scandinavia that I received one night after Yom Kippur, telling me that the Jewish Community Center in Malmö, Sweden, had been attacked with an explosive device and bricks through its reinforced entrance just after midnight on Sept. 28. No casualties, thank G-d, this time.

I am not surprised, because precious little has changed since the Wiesenthal Center’s mission to Malmö in December 2011 where we had face-to-face meetings with the city’s police chief, prosecutor and its mayor, Ilmar Reepalu, who long ago made a decision to let the 700 Jewish citizens twist in the wind in order to curry favor with Islamist extremists and virulent opponents of Israel. There are approximately 70,000 Muslims in Malmö.

Incredible, here was a democratically elected administration that had no budget and no stomach to protect its Jews. Here was a democratically elected official who went out of his way to inject the conflict in the Holy Land into the narrative and onto the streets of his city.

Following the shocking 2010 firebombing of a synagogue there, along with assaults on a pro-Israel demonstration and a series of other anti-Semitic incidents, the Simon Wiesenthal Center had had enough and slapped a Travel Advisory on Malmö. A few months ago, Hannah Rosenthal, the U.S. State Department’s Envoy on Anti-Semitism, traveled to Malmö, Sweden’s third largest city, to make a direct and personal plea to Mayor Reepalu, on behalf of the Obama Administration, to change course. He didn’t. As a result, that ban still stands today, and unless and until local, or if necessary, national authorities can secure the Jewish community and its institutions, the ban will remain.

Still, it is fair to ask, in the greater scheme of things, with Iran’s looming existential threat to Israel, with 700,000 French Jews on edge after the terrorist murders at a Toulouse Jewish school of a young rabbi and three kids-- including an eight year-old girl executed at point-blank range—do the 700 Jews of Malmö merit our continued concern and activism?

Maybe they should just leave…Considering that young Rabbi Kesselman and his family are serially abused by anti-Semites with nary an arrest, that just last week his car was singled out for vandalism with the word Palestina engraved on its side, perhaps Daisy Balkin Rung, who was born in Malmö, is right when she posted a call on a Swedish TV blog for Jews to leave Malmö before it is too late, making a parallel to Germany in the 1930s. "I call upon all Jews in Malmö to leave the city," she wrote.

Perhaps, in the end, the Jews may yet have to leave, but if they do -- Malmö, Sweden, could become a template for other European cities, in other democracies. If Jews are driven from Malmo, it will empower every anti-Semite, neo-Nazi, Islamist fanatic, and lone wolf terrorist in every western democracy to target US.

While we can be grateful that no one was hurt in this latest attack, there is a Jewish dictum: Ayn Soamchin Al Haness—we cannot rely on miracles to secure the safety of Jewish children. Clearly time is running out for Malmö.

Let us, the 14,000,000, help the 700 draw the line and force the powers that be in Sweden to finally provide equal protection under the law to their Jewish citizens. If they fail to do so, our Jewish brothers and sisters will find new lives in Israel and elsewhere—that is, after all, the Jewish way---but Sweden’s traditions of democratic rule of law, fairness, and tolerance will be left in shambles.

Gillian M (218)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 3:45 pm
Alexa, please note that, the world according to Inge, all terrible acts in Sweden are the responsibility of the police and the Nazis. Am now waiting for her to accuse the left wing and the fire brigade followed by the paramedics and the army. Anyone I've forgotten that she can accuse?

Gillian M (218)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 3:50 pm


Alexa R (319)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 10:21 pm

G M. (214)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 3:45 pm
Am now waiting for her to accuse the left wing and the fire brigade followed by the paramedics and the army. Anyone I've forgotten that she can accuse?
Yes, sadly. It would seem her hatred for Swedish police knows no bounds, perhaps it's a hatred for all police and a host of others too, like what you suggested... You did leave out 'Bible' believers and the 'religious' (with the exception of Islam) - she clearly tar them all with her same brush of 'those to hate' or as you put it so aptly 'those worthy of hate and blame for all that goes wrong in Sweden'.

Sadly, she seems obvious to how hateful it is to tar all people of a certain group with the same brush,,,

fly bird (26)
Wednesday December 18, 2013, 10:50 pm
I agree, Nyack.
Interestingly, no child abuse allegations posted, unless they happen to be "Muslim" related. "Funny", indeed ..

Inge B (202)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 1:03 am
Alexa R. BTW most police are good people...

They protect society against those committing crimes...

The police are controlled by the party who has the political power of the moment, they never protects the general public without just following orders from above, there are countless examples of this, both historically in Nazi Germany and in the present day in Sweden.
The great heroes and friends of the people are journalists like Edward Snowden etc.
They take big risks and expose themselves to be arrested by corrupt police.
The Swedish security police have exposed the Swedish people for a tremendous risk by spying on Russia for NSA.s bill, and all the violence and killings that take place in the streets is not room here to write about, it is also important to mention that just in few days some Swedish journalists revealed a large register of Romer that the Swedish police set up, totally illegal to do in Sweden.
So beware of the police!

But try Love

Inge B (202)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 1:31 am
Lee Hampton.
I do not think Islam is any better or worse than any other religion , I think that all religion is bad and creates hatred and wars between groups of people, in my world of love are all the same and as I wrote in the previous post , I have no power to affect any religious organization, but in Sweden the Swedish law applies and not Islamic , it's someone who wants to rape someone or marry underage or with more than one woman then these people have made ​​a criminal offense , and will be convicted of Swedish court.
You write that Muslims are bombing themselves , etc. I have read and seen this on TV and think it is a desperate act and think that it is because we in the rich world send by military forces of their countries to make war .
Then I think we have an obligation to take care of the refugees and victims of the war that we create.
Unfortunately I have no contact with Muslims so I can not change them, but I have a lot of contact with Christian groups and as I 've written so they're awful in their perception of other religions and beliefs.
They advocate bloodshed and extinction.

Love are inside you

Inge B (202)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 1:47 am
G M.
I understand that you are impatient and can not wait for an answer but as I pointed out to Lee there is hatred in every religion and I can not affect any of the hatred that's there, these people are brainwashed and completely destroyed, it applies to all religions.
I just think it's interesting to see what effect the word LOVE can create and the debate it has become.
I have a friend in NY who is a professor in psychiatry and he follows with interest this discussion and is startled by the commotion little I can create.

The word is LOVE

Inge B (202)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 2:11 am
G M. 2
BRÅ. is an organization of old retired police officers who want more money to build a police state in Sweden, and has done quite well, we have now the last three years has increased the number of police officers with 4000.
I hope you read about all the rapes police perform and a year ago revealed the journalists a series of nasty rape cases with sadistic elements rendered by the Chief of Police in Sweden.
But it certainly committed many rapes by Muslims, because it is, as you say, in the Qur'an, but again it is an offense and shall be punished under Swedish law.
We also have many cases of pedofileri committed by Christian priests and bishops but I have never heard any sexual harassment by Jews, but you are also hated by other religious groups you should know,
Why all this hate?

We need LOVE

Stan B (123)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 2:29 am
Inge: I noticed from your profile that you live in Mariannelund which is a tiny village in the Smaland Highlands with a population of 1468. Sounds idyllic. I don't suppose you get many foreigners in such a remote place so you aren't the most qualified person to comment on what's happening in many Swedish cities.
I've recently returned from a trip where I met several of your countrymen who live in the larger urban areas like Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmo.
They were unanimous in their condemnation of your government's liberal immigration policies and the fear that the very essence of Swedish life was being eroded by Muslim immigrants from third world countries with third world mentalities. They told me some frightening statistics. Apparently although Muslims make up 6% of the population they are responsible for almost 80% of reported rapes, a truly frightening figure. They also said they were worried about their children, especially their daughters being out at night and that there were several no-go areas for the police in Malmo because they had become Muslim enclaves.
I note, Inge, that you have had no contact with Muslims. I think it's about time you did.
You can only share LOVE with people who understand what LOVE means and wish to reciprocate. Perhaps if the Swedish government decided to settle a few hundred of these people in Mariannelund it might change your mind.

Inge B (202)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 2:38 am
Yes, hate is large and difficult to handle, we are way too many people in the world and we are just too extreme in our religions, try something else, my advice, I've done that and it has succeeded great, and the answer is LOVE.

Inge B (202)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 2:46 am
Alexa R. Yes, sadly. It would seem "her" hatred for Swedish police knows no bounds,
I do not really know who you're talking about when you mention her/she, is it that you are so blinded by hatred that you do not even know who you're talking to?


Inge B (202)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 3:07 am
Stan B.
I was just waiting for you to show up too.
I think I see Real-life quite well from my idyll, you get a different perspective from here and do not get so hysterical, you can let your Love grow and not have to choose hate and fears as a resort.
We have television, newspapers and computers here too and is able to communicate in this way, I have not known to you Jews so much before, but through this forum so I have created me a picture of you.
As a consolation, I can say that there is a great refugee camp in Mariannelund and there was a gang rape two years ago, but I also have a Swedish neighbor who raped his minor daughter for many years, which world huh?
What do you think Stan, us to do, shoot them all or populate the world with just cops and Jews?

Love to You

Gillian M (218)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 9:55 am
Looks like Inge cannot find enough love in herself to care about the suffering of Christians around the world caused by Muslims. That is truly sad for someone afflicted by love.

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 10:01 am

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 10:07 am
Inge..Your love crap is totally is almost to the point of repulsive because of the emphasis you put on love and in turn give no respect to the knowledge of anyone else as in you think you are the know it all of everything....sorry but people like that prove they are lying just by their actions and reactions towards others as in what you are saying here pretty much all of what is a lie. Then you add on jess b, and Nyack and that tells me all I need to know about your political standings anywhere. You're a liberal just like them and liberals that I have seen have no respect for anyone or their opinions. So IMO you and your false words are're hypocrites!!

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 10:21 am
Inge...What do you have to say about these atrocious acts on their own people!? And you think they are going to act any differently on those who do not agree with them!? And you expect people to show more LOVE to them!? You appear to be lacking any and all common sense along with your liberal supporters!

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Inge B (202)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 3:02 pm
Why are you so angry Carol are you not really healthy?

Try Love and you be Happy

Alexa R (319)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 3:29 pm
The only angry person I can see on this thread is you, Inge...

Your comments are very nasty and meant to be unpleasant/attention-seeking, only, I've so often had to deal with others like you that it is water off a swan's back for me... In fact, I find it humorous and entertaining when bored.

Stan B (123)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 6:06 pm
This is an account of the gang rape Inge referred to so briefly. It has been described as possibly the worst of its kind in Swedish history.

" Victoria, 30, was raped by seven (Muslim) men: Some people say that I was on it - others that I have only myself to blame

She banged her head against a wall and closed my eyes so hard that my eyes ached. But the memory of men cheer, dark shirts and naked in cells is still etched in memory.

Victoria, 30, suffered the most serious rape in Swedish legal history.

Today she struggles against death threats and false rumors on the net.

- I'm terrified that they will come after me, she says.

The mattress on which she sits is dressed in cool, dark blue plastic. Victoria adds a knitted jacket over his crossed legs to keep warm. In her hand she holds a soft stress ball with painted eyes that usually relieves nervousness.

- Sometimes, reality caught up with me, the nightmares and fear. I try, but sometimes I still do not repress my memories, she says.

Worried about revenge

On Monday, the Göta Court of Appeal judgment against the seven men who raped her in an asylum accommodation in Mariannelund late last year. They were given long prison sentences of between 4.5 and 6.5 years, and all but one were sentenced also to deportation.

Victoria has been vindicated,-she says. While she is tired of all the lies, threats and speculation on the net.

- I'm afraid all the time. Afraid of their friends take revenge for that I notified them, and afraid that people will believe all the rumors that are written about me online. Some people say that I was doing it, others say I must blame myself when I was at a party with foreign men.

She leans against the wall.

- I want to tell my story, what I experienced in Mariannelund. I intend to do it now, in this interview, and never again.

We leave the high summer heat outside the drawn-down blinds and go back seven months in time, until 2 December 2011.

- I do not remember if there was snow outside, but it was dark and very cold. I was going away for a while, and a friend, the man who then called the "principal" in the case, had prepared a farewell party for me. He came and picked me up in a car, she said.

The driver, a man Victoria recognized in the past, ruled against a tavern in Vimmerby. However suddenly turned in the opposite direction.

- They said we were going past the asylum accommodation Mariannelund and get some more liquor. I was suspicious, but could do so much.

Victoria catch our breath for a moment. Smoke a cigarette.

When liquor delivery arrived, the driver was gone.

- In retrospect I've realized that everything was planned. The man I knew also disappeared in the road. But just then I only thought that "oh well, we'll stay here until we get shot." They were very kind and sweet to me, then.
"Disgusting - abusive"

Victoria sat on the bed with a drink in your hand when three men approached.

- Suddenly, I was lying there, helpless and without pants. While the first man raped me, I saw how the others took off his pants and underpants, laughed and clapped his hands. What can I say, it was terrible. Gross. Offensive.

Victoria describes jubilation. It hurts very soul. How she closes her eyes until your eyes ache. Pounds his head against the wall to avoid having to be aware. The intense desire to just get faint. And the men who just continues, taking pictures, laughing.

Rapes are relentless. Sometimes they are more on her simultaneously.

The verdict was the abuse very rough.

- They raped in every way you can rape someone, she says quietly, hugging stress ball harder and harder.

Group Rape has been described as the worst in the Swedish legal history. The attacks lasted from 22 o'clock in the evening, until the emergency call shortly before 10 o'clock in the morning.

- In terms of the number of offenders are not so aggravated rape documented in Sweden before, says her goal ownership assistant Charlotte Bokelund.

When Victoria's friend, the 25-year-old "principal," came back to the room that morning, she thought it was all over. He lay down behind her in bed. Comforting, hugging - and raped her.

- I thought he would be my salvation, instead he was just as bad as the others, says Victoria.

A cup of coffee. The cardigan more tightly on the body. No pause.

- I have talked about it so many times now, with the police, to my lawyer, in court. Previously, I was sad, now I'm most angry, she explains.

Victoria waited until the men had fallen asleep, washed himself in the bathroom and snuck out. Whisper, behind a dumpster in the yard, she was then contacted with the ARC.

Several of the seven now judged skilled arrested in position.

Afterwards she could not walk more than a month. Now is the physical damage almost healed, but that is all.

Victoria fingers of the plastic mattress. Says she has the support of psychiatry, and medicine to help them sleep.

- But once I fall asleep I dream nightmares. Turns around and kicks me in bed. I have difficulty with intimacy, and I see a man who resembles the rapists, I get a stomach ache.

Last spring, she started her own beauty salon. The work force away thoughts, and plans for the business, she can talk about for hours. But when it comes to her, it immediately becomes silent.

- The future for myself ... it feels very empty right now.

Morteza Afzali, 22, aggravated rape in two cases. Imprisonment for 6.5 years and deportation.

Mohammadi Aziz Ahmad, 34, aggravated rape in two cases. Imprisonment for 6.5 - year expulsion."

Rafi Bahaduri, 25, aggravated rape. Prison for 6 years. Does not show because he came to Sweden before he turned 15.

Rustam Ghafory, 22, aggravated rape. Imprisonment for 4.5 years and deportation.

Hedayat Rahmati, 21, aggravated rape. Imprisonment for 6 years and deportation.

Hashemi Sala Hedin, 20, aggravated rape. Imprisonment for 6 years and deportation.

Zia Mohammadi, 21, aggravated rape. Imprisonment for 6 years and deportation."

The English translation isn't perfect but the horror of this appalling attack is very clear.

It's only a matter of time until Sweden becomes Judenfrei. Then the only Jews who will visit this country will be the ones who come year after year to receive their Nobel prizes.

Good luck Inge. You're going to need it.


Alexa R (319)
Thursday December 19, 2013, 10:52 pm
Stan, I had to take a break after reading this account.

And then everyone from the religious to the police gets blamed by the likes of Inge, all gets the blame from her except those who actually committed this most hideous crime...

Inge B (202)
Friday December 20, 2013, 1:13 am
You see Stan, you can not escape reality, even if you live in an idyll that Mariannelund, you forgot all incest and pedophilia abuses who also were committed here in the surroundings, but the cases may not be interesting to discuss because it is white Christian men who carried out these atrocities.
But for those who are interested, some links here.

Jews in Sweden will probably never leave the country, they are well established here and have great power positions, in politics, newspapers, business leaders, and I hope that they feel that Sweden is their homeland. There is no expressed hatred of Jews in Sweden than from extremist groups like Swedish Nazi party and a little radio show called Radio Islam, and these groups , we all want to have removed from the country.

What worries me is the growing hatred of the Roma who are in Sweden, Hungary, Romania and France, but it might not be interesting to discuss amongst you who have gathered here?

Take good care of yourselves and let LOVE grow within you!

Alexa R (319)
Friday December 20, 2013, 2:06 pm

Terrible stories...

Inge, so is this why you hate all Christians?

Imagine if someone had this type of experience with a non-religious person, and unfortunately, I know such persons and there are sadly more than enough that do make it into the news. What sort of world would we live in if such persons started to hate all non-religious people?


Inge B (202)
Friday December 20, 2013, 3:29 pm
No my dear friend Alexa, I hate no people on earth but get sad when I see your hatred against Muslims and that you do not understand that in all groups and communities, there are people who abuse, that's why I asked the question about "are we so good"? and I also asked earlier if it is not within the Jewish community committed assault and other criminal activities? but was only told that Muslims were the major culprits.
Yes there are many historical examples where non-religious people are hated by the religious churches, many were burned at the stake.
The problem is in Sweden right now that the Nazi Party is growing at a furious pace.

I wish you a Christmas with much Love

Alexa R (319)
Friday December 20, 2013, 11:03 pm

Inge Bjorkman (82)
Friday December 20, 2013, 3:29 pm
No my dear friend Alexa, I hate no people on earth but get sad when I see your hatred against Muslims and that you do not understand that in all groups and communities, there are people who abuse


I do understand that there are bad apples in all communities, I don't hate any person. You continue putting words in my mouth. It is very nasty and mean-spirited of you to do so, to not allow me to speak for myself.

And we are continually told by you that the major culprits are the Swedish police, the religious, the Jews and the Christians... This is a hateful lie. They are not the major culprits. In fact they top the list of the most persecuted at present.

Wish you a Christmas with much Love right back..

Alexa R (319)
Friday December 20, 2013, 11:11 pm
Inge, please join me in showing your love for this Indian girl by signing this petition:

Horrifically gang-raped over a year ago, after almost 20 genital and facial reconstructive surgeries, this child's life was ruined the moment her body was violated — and while thousands marched for the medical student gang-raped in Delhi, this 12-year-old girl has been completely abandoned.

Because she's poor girl from a small town, and because the accused are in with the town's minister and police, her story has yet to get almost any media attention. It's also the only thing that will help her get justice.

Please, join us in calling on Indian and international media to pick up Al Jazeera's coverage of this appalling assault and help this little girl take her life back. Without us, the truth won't even make it to a courtroom — but with us, this 12-year-old will finally get justice.

PETITION TO INDIA AND WORLD NEWS MEDIA: Pick up Al Jazeera's story of the 12-year-old Indian girl brutally gang-raped and abandoned by local authorities. Help this child get justice — shed light on her story now!

Inge B (202)
Saturday December 21, 2013, 2:52 am
Signed and shared with all my friends.
I signed a similar petition for quite a long time ago and I always sign the assault and rape of women , children and animals , although I will sign petitions regarding the observance of equality , so there are no limits to Love.

I engage much in the fight for a better environment and have taken some decisions in life that I know can be an asset to the Earth and we who live here , such as being vegan, not having any children, to be self-sufficient, not to use poison in my farm , to sell the surplus at low prices to people who have nothing , sow few hektrar each year for birds and wildlife so they have food in the harsh winter, etc. this is a consequence of what happens in mind if one indulges in love.

About putting words into the mouth of another,
Yes, I think it's done here all the time, if you read through all this material again , you find that people do not just put words in my/your mouth , but also puts names and perceptions of me / you , I have been called " burqa Bjorkman ," " leftist ," " stupid ," " ridiculous ," " hate cops ", " hate Christians" , "being trapped in a love bubble " and much more than that.

All this bullying I endured for you all to be able to see what your hatred makes against yourselves and other people who do not think like you.
I read on Carol Dreeszen page under My Philosophy,
"We reap what we sow .. if we sow love we reap love, if we sow hatred we reap hatred. We get out of life what we put into it and the biggest appreciation of life is life itself!"
I think this was one of the better philosophies I've read, imagine if everyone could live that life view. Such a Wonderful World.

Love to you ALL out there

Alexa R (319)
Saturday December 21, 2013, 5:32 am
Thank you for signing, Inge. Much appreciated, when together we can make a difference.

I feel so sorry for you Inge, so full of love yet call so many things, I quote:" I have been called " burqa Bjorkman ," " leftist ," " stupid ," " ridiculous ," " hate cops ", " hate Christians" , "being trapped in a love bubble " and much more than that. "

Is this a case of reaping what you sow? Is this what you tried to explain at the hand of Carol's profile philosophy?

Love back to you out there too..

Inge B (202)
Saturday December 21, 2013, 11:11 am
Ok. I understand that you do not want to understand what I mean, I will try to clarify what I mean.
What I sowed in my life is that I've been vegan for 45 years, not had children because we are already overpopulated, not poisoned the soil with chemicals, etc.
What I have harvested is the realization of Love, a long healthy life, to be happy, to discover the dark side of people and organizations, and much more.
What you describe is a total misinterpretation and I do not think you mean what you write, without you want to provoke.

You do not need feel sorry for me because I do not suffer from being bullied by you, I have my Love, the words "burqa Bjorkman," "leftist," "stupid," "ridiculous," "hate cops", "hate Christians "," being trapped in a love bubble "and much more than that. "Are the seeds that each author of the words to reap the fruits of. Now do you understand what I mean?
You are welcome back if there is anything you do not understand.

Sending Love from inside of my bubble to you out there.

Alexa R (319)
Saturday December 21, 2013, 12:21 pm
Inge, thank you for finally stopping to say nasty things about others, my friends on this thread.

No need for me to praise you or thank you for being vegan, not having children etc, you've already done so yourself.

Sending more Love to you out there too..

Inge B (202)
Saturday December 21, 2013, 2:23 pm
Someone called it Karma

Inge B (202)
Monday December 23, 2013, 2:05 am
Good news from Sweden

It has been one of the largest demonstrations in Sweden last Sunday.
Groups of Muslims, Christians, left, right politicians and anarchists have gathered in a huge demonstration against racism and Nazism.
In 24 different locations in Sweden was held demonstrations.

The main theme was make LOVE not Hate.

Beth S (330)
Monday December 23, 2013, 10:01 am
I dunspeek Sveedish. Artikal no undershtend.

Inge B (202)
Monday December 23, 2013, 3:27 pm
Here is some help for a friend


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Tuesday December 24, 2013, 3:31 am
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