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Saudi Court Tells Girl Aged EIGHT She Cannot Divorce Husband Who Is 50 Years Her Senior

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A Saudi court has rejected a plea to divorce an eight-year-old girl married off by her father to a man who is 58, saying the case should wait until the girl reaches puberty. The divorce plea was filed in August by the girl's divorced mother with a

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Gillian M (218)
Monday August 12, 2013, 4:23 pm
A Saudi court has rejected a plea to divorce an eight-year-old girl married off by her father to a man who is 58, saying the case should wait until the girl reaches puberty.

The divorce plea was filed in August by the girl's divorced mother with a court at Unayzah, 135 miles north of Riyadh just after the marriage contract was signed by the father and the groom.

Lawyer Abdullar Jtili said:"The judge has dismissed the plea, filed by the mother, because she does not have the right to file such a case, and ordered that the plea should be filed by the girl herself when she reaches puberty."

"She doesn't know yet that she has been married," Jtili said then of the girl who was about to begin her fourth year at primary school.

Relatives who did not wish to be named said that the marriage had not yet been consummated, and that the girl continued to live with her mother.

They said that the father had set a verbal condition by which the marriage is not consummated for another 10 years, when the girl turns 18.

The father had agreed to marry off his daughter for an advance dowry of £5,000, as he was apparently facing financial problems, they said.

The father was in court and he remained adamant in favour of the marriage, they added.

Mr Jtili said he was going to appeal the verdict at the court of cassation, the supreme court in the ultra-conservative kingdom which applies Islamic Sharia law in its courts.

Arranged marriages involving pre-adolescents are occasionally reported in the
Arabian Peninsula, including in Saudi Arabia where the strict conservative Wahabi version of Sunni Islam holds sway and polygamy is common.

In Yemen in April, another girl aged eight was granted a divorce after her unemployed father forced her to marry a man of 28.

Rahman Qureshi (76)
Monday August 12, 2013, 5:08 pm
There is no way the "husband" will let her out of the marriage before 18 because he bought her for £5,000. Furthermore, Islam allows Muslims to break their oaths so there is no reason for the "husband" to be bound by the 'no sex until 18' condition. He can easily assert husband "rights" and rape the girl and no Muslim court would go against the husband's "rights".

I recall another of the many child marriage incidents in the Muslim world where the old man "husband" (meaning pedophile in normal terms) said he would not have sex with his child "bride" but then raped her and her family was upset. Why would they be upset when their god Allah allows old men to rape little girls (Sura 65:4) and Muhammad himself, the 'perfect example", raped his child "bride" Aisha when he was 54 and she only 9? Why would they be upset when their god allows Muslims to break their oaths? It is because they are ignorant that such deviancy as child sex and lying is Islamic, yet they understand that the deviancy of child marriage is Islamic.

Islam is a disease which needs to be wiped off the face of the earth, freeing Muslims from its brain-deadening grip on them.

Barb Knight (1688)
Monday August 12, 2013, 5:08 pm
That is absolutely CRAZY!! The father basically sold his PRECIOUS BABY GIRL for a measly 5,000 Lira!! But that's probably like GOLD to the Saudies!! I PRAY her Mother fights for her tooth and nail!! Wonder how old her Mother was when she married her father? TYSM GM for this most disturbing post.

Madhuri Pillai (22)
Monday August 12, 2013, 5:43 pm
Absolutely sickening.

Rose Becke (141)
Monday August 12, 2013, 6:01 pm
This poor child Her " husband: is scum

Beth S (330)
Monday August 12, 2013, 7:28 pm
In a country where girls can be married off at 6, have the marriage consummated at nine (according to Islam), and Saudi Arabia, where grown men stick their penises in between babies thighs to ejaculate and parents are told to cover their babies from head to toe so they won't be targeted for rape, this case is almost a human rights leap. Pathetic.

I hope the mom gets to keep the girl. Alleviate the too many men to female ratio by making the men eunichs (it's not likely, but pleasant to think about).

pam w (139)
Monday August 12, 2013, 7:40 pm
What a wonderful culture. (Gag!)

Birgit W (160)
Monday August 12, 2013, 7:42 pm
This poor little precious girl. Our world is so evil it makes me sick.

Stan B (123)
Monday August 12, 2013, 9:41 pm
Stories of child abuse like this one make my blood boil.
Birgit. It's not " our world " which is evil. It's the world of radical Islam. The whole damn lot of them should be castrated, as Beth suggests.

reft h (66)
Monday August 12, 2013, 10:00 pm
The story was from 2008, I wonder if there was an update to it...

Giana P (398)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 12:43 am
This is so sick and religion isn't all of it. It's culture and patriarch rein - women are nothing in their eyes, just a commodity and a way to get money, can you imagine that the marriage will be consummated when the husband is 68 year old????

Yvonne F (181)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 2:08 am
Beyond words!!!!!!!!! 'This is disgusting How can any nation allow this?
Thanks G.M. for sharing

Jay S (116)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 2:12 am
and yet Muslims continue to crow about their 'moral' superiority to all the rest of us despite their religion's allowing men to slake their lust with 4 wives, temporary 'marriages' for just sex (we call it prostitution but because Mohammed did it and allowed it it is 'moral' in Islam), and the perverted selling off of little girls to be raped, and often left to die of damage and bleeding, to filthy old pedohpiles.

Because Mohammed 'married' and raped a 6 year old child means that it is condoned and allowed. Some Muslim occupied lands have made marriage age higher, but turn a blind eye to imams and mullahs who sanction such disgusting immoral practices.

The great Islamic scholar Ayatollah Khomeini praised sex with children, even breastfeeding infants, and spent the night with a tiny little girl raping her. People described hearing her screaming all night from the assault and the pain, yet he is seen as a great Muslim authority because it is all sanctioned and condoned by Islam's demonic deity.

Sick. And Saudi Arabia, as the most pure of all Islamic states, ruled by pure Islamic law, shows what a perverse and ungodly and inhumane ideology this truly is.

Carola May (20)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 2:16 am
Girls are sexually abused at a high rate in the Muslim Middle East. Here are some good comments by authorities about that:

'As girls in the Middle East are considered worth less than
boys, it may be that their incestuous use during childhood is even more
prevalent. One report found that four out of five Middle Eastern women
recalled having been forced into fellatio between the ages of 3 and 6 by older
brothers and other relatives.[Allen Edwardes and R.E.L. Masters - Cradle of Erotica (p. 300) - Bantam Paperback; New Ed edition (1977), ISBN 0553103016]

A female Arab physician who recently conducted an extensive study of childhood seduction reported that "most female children are exposed to … incidents of sexual assault" during their
early years by "the brother, the cousin, the paternal uncle, the
maternal uncle, the grandfather or even the father. If not a family member, he
may be the guardian or porter of the house, the teacher, the neighbor's son, or
any other man." [Nawal El Saadawi - The Hidden Face of Eve: Women in the Arab World (p. 14) - Boston: Beacon Press, 1980]

The molestation, she says, begins with masturbation or fellatio and then proceeds to intercourse. "In most cases the girl surrenders and is afraid to
complain to anyone, since, if there is any punishment to be meted out, it will
always end up by being inflicted on her. It is she alone who loses her honor
and virginity. The man never loses anything … " The incidents are
termed "frequent, but remain hidden, stored up in the secret recesses of
the female child's self, since she dare not tell anyone of what has happened to
her … "[Lloyd DeMause - The Universality Of Incest - The
Journal of Psychohistory, Fall 1991, Vol. 19, No. 2]

Sick, sick, sick. Is there any 'religion' more obsessed with sex than Islam? Doubt it.

. (0)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 2:38 am
What a sick country. This should go international.

John J (0)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 3:33 am
@ Carola may
As you point out obsessed with sex be it animal vegetable or mineral
never forget when old mo met the talking donkey-- the obvious question (from a normal person would be how come you can talk) what did mo ask it-- "Do you have sex" makes you despair to think the inventor of one of the largest followings (and purporting to be a religion) meets a talking donkey and this is what he asks it.
maybe he fancied it

. (1)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 4:02 am
Such a sick story. Thanks G M.

Hilary S (65)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 4:09 am
women really have no status in islam - selling his daughter to pay his debts? that's bad enough, but the courts condoning it - based solidly on sharia law of course - is unconscionable.
and not at all surprising.

Donna Hamilton (159)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 4:32 am
Truly sickening. The father had financial problems, so he sold his daughter to a pedophile - these men are beneath contempt.

Jocelyn K (56)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 5:22 am
Noted & posted on Face Book. The really sad part is 'this is the life of any female in that country'. Nothing they can ever do about it, they are looked upon as something to use. Something that has no level. They are an object. They have no rights. If any other country would try to stop it I am sure there would be a war. First on the females because it would be their fault. So very sad. Thanks for doing this story.

. (0)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 5:58 am
what a bunch of barbarians.Something needs to be done about these child molesters and woman beaters.

Michela M (3964)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 5:58 am

Sandra Penna (135)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 6:07 am
terrible and sick. noted.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 6:21 am
Sick pedophile!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 6:29 am
What occurred here was a financial transaction between two adult males, similar to a payday loan or dealing with a pawnshop. 'The father had agreed to marry off his daughter for an advance dowry of £5,000, as he was apparently facing financial problems.' In the culture, females and minors are chattel, which is very similar to their position in North America before the Persons Act was passed last century. It took many centuries to achieve a certain level of liberty, hard-won by our Suffragettes and for African Americans, by the Abolitionist Movement. As we know, these freedoms are under constant threat in North America today. It's easy to point fingers at other cultures, rather than looking at ourselves. I find it encouraging that the child's mother has instigated this request for her daughter's release from her husband's folly. Yes, it's terrible, sick and horrifying -- but solutions to the problem are manyfold and will only be addressed by major economic, social and cultural change.

Susanne R (235)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 6:47 am
In response to the girl's mother's plea for a divorce, the article states :"The judge has dismissed the plea, filed by the mother, because she does not have the right to file such a case, and ordered that the plea should be filed by the girl herself when she reaches puberty."

Let me get this straight: According to the Saudi courts, an eight year old can be "sold" by her father and forcibly married to an old man before she reaches puberty, but she can't be recognized by the courts until after she reaches puberty? In other words, her mother can't represent her and she can't represent herself until she's suffered years of abuse and is securely under her husband's thumb. Women apparently have no rights and no purpose other than that of being sex slaves, beasts of burden, and vehicles for creating valued sons and unvalued daughters who are destined to suffer the same fate as their mothers.

Let's hope the old lech kicks off before the marriage is consummated. A man who buys a child for purpose of satisfying his own sick and perverted sexual needs (as mentioned by previous posters, it's called "pedophilia") doesn't deserve to live. Neither does the father who sold her, for that matter. For too many women in this world, ignorance is NOT bliss...

bob m (32)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 7:10 am

Would be nice to see a press conference by the Obama administration calling out the Saudis; amongst a thousand other atrocities committed daily by islam throughout the world...not a squeak about Nigeria for instance..Read a press report yesterday mentioning shabbab killing Christians outside their Churches and even "MODERATE MUSLIMS" in their mosques... by the way ... whole congregations have been burned to death trapped in their churches....most beautiful sound in the world eh?... Mr. Obama?

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 7:46 am
For those of you who believe in the verbal agreement, please read "I am Nujood, Age 10 and Divorced! by Nujood Ali, Broadway Paperbacks ISBN 978-0-307-58967-5

This is about the first child bride in Yemen to win a divorce. As a child of around 8/9, she was sold by her father with a similar verbal agreement but when he got Nujood home, he raped her and his mother held her down.

There are some similar books but the number who succeed are incredibly small. In Iran it is legal to marry a girl of 8. I was sent a picture of a column of men in their late 20s/early 30s with little girls, around 8 years old, in white dresses as they had just been married to them. My heart turned over as I have friends with daughters and I have watched them grow up and many people I know have granddaughters that age. Yet it is legal.

And, as always, the people who shout at Israel for daring to exist are silent on this subject.

. (0)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 9:56 am
What a depraved, immoral, world that is Islam.

. (0)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 10:17 am
SADLY, these customs,rituals conducted in countries steeped in ancient ideas so ingrained in it`s people, whether educated or not, will tragically go on until the younger population realizes and demands modern thinking and conduct!!!.....SO misguided are they currently.....

Tuesday August 13, 2013, 10:44 am
Saudi Arabia served as a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council (2012) (An organisation that states in its mandate that “The HRC is an inter-governmental body within the United Nations system responsible for strengthening the promotion and protection of human rights around the globe and for addressing situations of human rights violations and make recommendations on them…”). In spite of this and the fact that US Presidents bow and scrape to the Saudi King and Canada considers Saudi Arabia “an equal trading partner” there is this over pervading air of “discrimination by reduced expectations” that excuses the unsavoury habits of people that are “not as white as us”. After all you infer Sienna Joy that “We did this kind of thing (did we?) years ago so it is OK for the Saudis”. No mercy in your book then Sienna for this little 8 year old. She has a year to go and then her husband, like Mohammed did with his 9 year old “bride” she will have to endure painful nights of “love” with a man old enough to be her grandfather.

Stardust Noel (38)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 12:29 pm
This is a disgusting country, yet they claim they are moral, any country that allows this is sick , I hope this little girl gets her divorce, her mother has no rights to help herthat is so sad , how despicable these people are.

Shan D (49)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 12:36 pm
This isn't marriage. It's child sex slavery, heartily condoned by the government. What a sick bunch of "people."

Sheila D (194)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 12:37 pm
Wonder if the father realizes yet he sold his daughter to a pedophile...Noted with disgust. Thank you.

Lynne Buckley (0)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 1:01 pm

Sheri Schongold (7)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 1:39 pm
Who gave this old coot the right to exist let alone marry an 8 year old girl? He should be, I don't know what, but something to show him it would be better to stick to someone of legal age and can make a decision herself. This is not only sick, it is creepy and he seems to fit in well and the father seems a good match. Hey, wait a minute, leave the girl alone and let the creep & the father live together.

Ruth M (235)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 1:42 pm

Kathryn Niell (112)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 1:46 pm
What kind of people marry off prepubescent children? Thoroughly debased ones!

Dori Grasso (0)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 1:52 pm
Bernard Cronyn, you need to re-read Sienna Joy's post again. In no way did she imply that this is an acceptable action; on the contrary, she stated that women were considered not much more than chattel worldwide, even in the United States, and that we have culturally evolved past that situation. She ended her post with the following statement: "...but solutions to the problem are manyfold and will only be addressed by major economic, social and cultural change".

She doesn't accept this situation as acceptable or normal at all. What she tried to do was discuss the issue rationally and put it into context. Please re-read her post.

Gene J (290)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 2:10 pm
"She doesn't know yet that she has been married," Jtili said then of the girl who was about to begin her fourth year at primary school."

There is a LOT she doesn't know yet. She's 8 freaking years old. Pedophiles ought be in jail, even in as ugly and backwards a country as Saudi Arabia. I don't give a rats azz what kind of verbal agreement this pig made, selling your children should be illegal the world over. And enforced by the UN. Ick. Just ick.

Shan D (49)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 2:14 pm
Good point, Gene. How much you want to bet that they have ZERO intention of telling her she can petition for divorce when she reaches puberty? I get the impression they're not big on explaining women's rights to them over there.

S J (130)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 2:31 pm
This is very much disgusting. I hope we can stop the cruelty and immorality.
Noted, thanks G M.

. (0)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 2:35 pm
Listen you old perverts; FOAD

paula eaton (30)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 3:02 pm
Please educate yourselves about this religion. Read some books by Nonie Darwish, Walid Shoe bat, Bridget Gabriel and some books from apostates. Forget about political correctness. Women and girls are nothing to them and have no real rights.

Michael M (5)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 3:29 pm
Nice to see Saudi Arabia is in the 16th Century and not the 21st. :p

Jennifer Ward (40)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 3:31 pm
Listen up ladies. Your life and your daughter's life will be sexual slavery and subservience should Sharia law take hold in the West. Don't be fooled by the honeyed words about women being valued and honoured in Islamic societies- the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. Wake up to the infiltration into our laws and customs by a well organised and determined group of invaders working behind the scenes and exerting influence on our governments.

Christine S (134)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 4:19 pm
It is so sad that pedophilia is allowed under the pretense of child marriage.

Gabriela Baldaia (104)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 4:20 pm
Noted with much sadness ...

Lindsey O (19)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 4:28 pm
The real question is: why does any country's law allow a child as young as this to be married IN THE FIRST PLACE??

Mike M (40)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 4:40 pm
People and countries should have their so called leaders wiped from the face of the earth and there peoples brought into the twenty-first century

Robert Tomlinson (62)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 4:49 pm
Just think.....Bush 43 held hands with the leader of SA. Doesn't that make you proud?

Marie W (67)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 5:12 pm
Misogyny is worldwide- USA has plenty too and GOP wants more. Pedophilia is just another aspect of it.

Barbara V (51)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 6:16 pm
Those people are just awful. In a mass marriage like that to children, how many do you reckon get to remain virgins until they grow up? Maybe not many. The whole set-up is sick beyond words. Eewww! I still think of that horrible man who consummated his marriage with a ten-year-old and then let her bleed to death because he was supposedly embarrassed to get her to the ER. Despicable.

Tuesday August 13, 2013, 6:27 pm
Obviously this is just SO horrifying and sad and just mind-blogglingly sickening and upsetting and it just HAS to be stopped somehow, but I DO want to add one thing to this comment., even 'though this is not a direct comment on this artcle.... We MUSTN'T tar all Mulsims with the same brush!!... In many countries Muslims would be just as horrified at this as you are at this! We MUST protect our Muslim friends from the media who protrays ALL Muslims as disgusting mysogeniitic brutes. Ideas ARE changing across the globe.. Don't forget that us Christians used to stone our children when they taked back to us and to sacrifice our first born children!!!!!! We MUST try not to spread Muslim-aphobia across the globe, but keep our fear and horror at old fashioned Muslim Laws in perspective. Target ONLY those Muslims that are doing such awful things and do all we can to protect women world-wide. We only antigonise terrorist action by our bigoted actions that don't allow for good, law abiding and loving Muslims to have our love and friendship and hlep. As in all religions changes come slowly and peace-lving Muslims are often kept in silent by fear of the action agains them by the extremists and so we don't hear much of a voice from normal loving Muslim people who don't believe or live these dreadful laws. On Care 2 we must stop this horrible abuse in places like Saudi Arabia but we must run this with trying to protect and help our Muslim brothers and sisters who live as our neighbours, who are trying to lead normal lives and are in loving free relationships. We need THEM to get a stronger voice, so that they can make THEY can become powerful enough amd free enough to stand out against Muslim extremists insanity from tne inside!

Gloria H (88)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 6:50 pm
Mo said the talking donkey made him do it? Joseph Smith originater of Mormonism here in good ol' USA (a so called "Christian" religion)had 30 wives...not sure if an ass told him to get hitched up, but his followers did likewise until the federal government made them give up the wives or get taxed....
Poor little girl being a pawn of a horndog culture. I hope the husband gets lost forever in a sandstorm. Truly an act of Allah.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 6:56 pm
Thanks Nicky, for saying it. Hate-mongering is not the answer. Neither is an 'us' versus 'them' attitude. We need to remember where we've come from, where we are now, and where we ourselves might be if we don't keep vigilant. Pedophilia, child prostitution, child porn do a terrifyingly booming business right here in North America, and misogyny is ever-present. Let's strive to become the people we like to think we are, and allow other societies to do the same.

Janet R (38)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 7:36 pm
I just feel horrible for this poor child and the other girls forced into sex slavery and condoned by the government. These sick, perverted men certainly take care of each other. The only one with any sense is the mother and she doesn't have any rights either. Disgusting.

Gina Caracci (219)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 7:41 pm
MINGA!!!! WTF????
I PRAY these women get together, get a whole bunch of automatic weapons and blow all them pedophile pieces of shit away. This is a great example of what can happen when a govt keeps parts of their society down and power is kept by a bunch of twisted individuals. I know even if i was born there, I would be dead because there is NO WAY I would tolerate the crap those women have to deal with. Sick bastards..
May their shit fall off..
hope that girl escapes with her life..maybe she will start a revolution with her mom. Id love to help..

Mary Donnelly (47)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 7:51 pm

Edith B (146)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 8:59 pm
I am so glad I was not born in a Muslim country.

Laurie H (817)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 10:17 pm
Unspeakable DISGRACE!!!!! So sad for this poor child & all of them ---Thanks for posting , OMG, this world is not recognizable these days!!!!~

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 10:53 pm

cynthia l (207)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 11:09 pm
Barbarians So sad for these little girls

Stan B (123)
Tuesday August 13, 2013, 11:45 pm
Saudi Arabia: a country run by pedophiles for pedophiles. Perhaps Obama should have bowed even lower to their pedophile-in-chief.

Diane L (110)
Wednesday August 14, 2013, 12:26 am
Phyllis, are you for real? Seriously? DITTO to what Nyack said. There is no defense for such practices, and while I respect the right of anyone to "believe" as he or she wishes, this is absolutely insane. It's child abuse, plain & simple. How can any sane person find any logic in it? How can anyone defend this as "culture"?

Stan B (123)
Wednesday August 14, 2013, 2:10 am
Diane L. With all due respect I think you have misunderstood Phyllis's comment. Please read it again. There is no way she is defending this disgusting child abuse.

Diane L (110)
Wednesday August 14, 2013, 2:35 am
Thanks, Stan. I did go and re-read it and actually, you may be right, but I'm not sure what she's saying. It sounds more like a soapbox lecture against being infiltrated by Islam than anything else.

berny p (23)
Wednesday August 14, 2013, 6:31 am

father had agreed to marry off his daughter for an advance dowry of £5,000, as he was apparently facing financial problems, they said.

The father was in court and he remained adamant in favour of the marriage, they added.

this tell you all you need to know about the peaceful islamique religion.....

Peggy A (0)
Wednesday August 14, 2013, 8:51 am

Ben O (170)
Wednesday August 14, 2013, 9:20 am
The story is from December 2008. Anyway, It's un-freaking believable!!!

P. L. Neola (21)
Wednesday August 14, 2013, 10:51 am
I do not approve of pedophilia.

I do not care if a culture finds a way to legalize it or not. It is immoral and unacceptable.

Children should be able to grow up and be children until their legal adult age.

Of the 613 statutes of the Torah and the Holy Bible, remember, God established a legal age for youths to begin paying their tithes. I believe that legal age was considered to be the legal age for manhood. Well, that age—it is somewhere between eighteen and twenty years old, I feel, show also apply for the legal age for women.

Of course, I do have the mind to raise it to age thirty; however, few people would support me in my opinion!

David C (131)
Wednesday August 14, 2013, 2:10 pm

Sheryl G (360)
Wednesday August 14, 2013, 2:30 pm
While I certainly don't condone any young child to be married off, I don't care if it is customary, religious or in a desperate bid for cash. I find that pulling stories out from way back to 2008 just to bash a certain people is also unacceptable.

I've noted on here that for a few people it seems to be a one topic, bashing of a certain group. While I believe in pointing out places that need social justice, and this is one of them, but when that seems to be the one and only goal I question what is motive truly behind this, being story after story is placed on and now going way back to 2008.

My heart goes out to these children and I would hope that with the internet and more eyes upon sects or a people that do not meet higher standards these things will be modified so that as a people they will begin in some critical areas to change. However, let us give some balance as well and not just seek out all the stories that reflect poorly upon a people. There are good and bad in all. We win more over by not always using the club to make our point.

Might I remind people that the Age Requirement in the USA varies from State to State.

The legal age to marry in New Hampshire is 18. Females between ages 13 and 17 and males between ages 14 and 17 may marry with consent from parents or guardians and a waiver from a New Hampshire court.

Although I don't think this is widely practiced in New Hampshire, but just knowing that at age 13 a child could still be married off is troublesome. As the saying goes, people in glass houses.

According to an article written May 28, 2013 A senior official in the Saudi Arabian Justice Ministry boldly declared that the government is finally going to attack a significant national problem: child marriage. I find this a promising step in the right direction. Why don't we continue to encourage this Country to keep making positive progress.

In order to help this along I suggest that the people on this thread put some actions behind their words and offer their signatures on these petitions>
End Child Marriage in Saudia Arabia

South Sudan End Child Marriages this is a C2 Petition

End Child Marriages In Malaysia

Stop Child Marriage in India

Nigerian Senate Stop Underage Child Marriage

Perhaps it might be more helpful to the children if you posted current petitions rather than outdated stories.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 14, 2013, 2:46 pm
I appreciate your thoughtful comments, Dandelion. I too have been wondering about the reasons for posting such an out-dated article and, given the commentary, have reached the same conclusion. It seems incendiary rather than proactive or productive. I appreciate your links to relevant, more current, petitions and will follow-through. Thanks so much!

John J (0)
Wednesday August 14, 2013, 11:32 pm
"The legal age to marry in New Hampshire is 18. Females between ages 13 and 17 and males between ages 14 and 17 may marry with consent from parents or guardians and a waiver from a New Hampshire court.
Although I don't think this is widely practiced in New Hampshire, but just knowing that at age 13 a child could still be married off is troublesome. As the saying goes, people in glass houses."

When you say a child of 13 can be married of-- Are you saying that these children have no choice in the matter-----
and can be bartered in trade like in Saudi Arabia

as to tackling child marriage in Saudia Arabia-- Are you expecting them to state openly that Muhammed was fond of young children and that the best example for mankind to emulate was wrong in this instance ....MMmm


Kathy Chadwell (354)
Thursday August 15, 2013, 12:09 am
Thank you Dandelion.
I am with you on siding with right. I did not realize these stories have been about a personal fight.
I will be ignoring any more forwards

Diane L (110)
Thursday August 15, 2013, 12:37 am
David, the answer to your question is a pretty simple one. I don't come into Care2 and read articles about 5 or 6 or 7-year-old stuff that doesn't even bother to explain that it IS 5 or 6 or 7-years old. If I want to read about history, I'll go online and read sites that explain things accurately, or go to the library, or whatever credible source of information is suitable.

THIS site should be about causes that are CURRENT, and it's irresponsible to state something as IF it is, when it isn't. I'm sure the situation has a lot of work to be done to make things different for young girls in Muslim countries, however, it would have been prudent to write the article in such a way as to explain that the situation was several years ago, not several days or even several months ago.

When we read about an abused dog and there is a cry for "ALERT, please sign petition", we assume the dog is in a shelter now or the abuser is in custody or waiting to go to court. When we find out that it happened 10 years ago or 5 years ago, it makes us feel foolish and what good does it do to sign a petition about something so "ancient"? What is the CAUSE if the event is that old? Discuss what is happening NOW and what can be done about it NOW.

Stan B (123)
Thursday August 15, 2013, 12:49 am
We didn't find out about the Turkish genocide of Armenians until many years after the event. By the logic of some people perhaps we should have ignored it as it wasn't contemporary news when it became public knowledge.
Anyone who thinks anything has changed in Saudi Arabia over the past 5 years is sadly out of touch with the real world.
Thanks again for this sad story, G. Big green star on its way.

Gillian M (218)
Thursday August 15, 2013, 3:21 am
Dandelion, I can find you many many others from Muslim controlled countries of varying ages. As others have said, it is just as relevant because nothing has changed.

Of course, you may despise the age of the article but I despise someone who denigrates the suffering of little girls just because they dislike the date. Saudi Arabia is one of the worst countries for lack of human rights but I suppose that that is OK.

Thanks David, I so totally agree with you.

Gillian M (218)
Thursday August 15, 2013, 3:52 am

Try this page and some of the stories. By the way, such petitions do nothing except make the signer feel good. I suggest that, if you want to feel good then you start one. In the meantime, bringing this appalling abuse to peoples attention, particularly governments/MPs/representatives does more good but means that YOU have to make the effort other than condemn information which is still current even though this story may be.

Tommy S (11)
Thursday August 15, 2013, 4:42 am
Thanks GM -- and for anyone to try to claim a moral high ground by stating the article is out of date shows the extremes delusionists will go to in order to ignore the very real problems that are religiously sanctioned by one of the largest collections of people with similar views,( I would hesitate to describe it as a religion) when in fact with even a cursory look any one can see that this "religiously" sanctioned child abuse comes from the top and can end in the death of a child through childbirth or even a perverted sense of honour

Proof positive that all cultures are not equal

Sheryl G (360)
Thursday August 15, 2013, 6:06 am
Oh really? Where on here didn't I offer empathy? In fact of all the various comments on the thread it was I who offered actual ways to HELP those suffering little girls by providing petitions and suggested those petitions be posted onto the C2 News. I say this to you here as you sent a private message to me then blocked me from an ability to answer back to you.

What I find appalling is certain people on C2 that post the same anti news over and over again. There are so many suffering children for a variety of reasons, but some seem to want to pull out old stories just to bash those of a certain faith.

I'm not of that faith, and I do not agree with this custom be it based on their faith or the region they live in. Certainly it needs to be condemned but time after time I see simple stories from someone inventing a machine to the discovery of a new cure turned into hate bashing of those of a certain faith.

As with any group of people, there are those who do certain things we don't like. Some Christians believe in dancing with rattlesnakes, I don't think I'd want to, and I think that is a bit foolish and dangerous, but they do it.

If we want to calm down this constant fear and hate mongering in this Country we can't keep feeding the fuel to the flames. Should this story have been posted back in 08, yes, I'm sure there have been recent stories of this similar situation. I'm just tired of seeing on C2 a few people who find only stories over and over again that bash a certain people. Condemn the action not a people.....that is all I'm saying.

And I don't despise the age of the article GM....I despise the actions written within the article. Because I called out certain things do not twist my concerns around. There was NO Where in my comment that I said that it was OK. So Tommy you jumped onto the same bandwagon, as I said, I think more updated articles of similar could be found if one is presenting child abuse.

Melania P (122)
Thursday August 15, 2013, 1:26 pm
Poor girls, what they have to endure in that SICK society!

Gillian M (218)
Thursday August 15, 2013, 2:18 pm
Dandelion. as I said above, if you want a pointless petition to make yourself feel better then please go ahead and do one and stop whingeing that one needs to be done. I would be more than happy to sign it as would everyone else here.

I have been attempting, with others, to get someone with some push to do something but Muslim controlled countries are very clear about their rights to marry girls off to anyone they feel like. And the action comes with the religion which is what we are objecting to. And perverted individuals use that religion to hide behind when raping little Muslim girls (who we are trying to protect) and sexual grooming and raping of non-Muslim girls. The same religion also allows sex with pre-pubescent boys because they are regarded as women until they show signs of being a male at which point it becomes illegal.

Other articles

Early Marriage in Nigeria

Islam’s child brides: girls young enough to be in pre-school who are married off to older men

Iran Seeks To Lower Age Of Marriage to NINE for little girls....Islam

Muslims Girls As Young As Nine Being Forced Into Marriage In The Uk

I can produce many more but I think the point is being made.

Diane L (110)
Thursday August 15, 2013, 10:22 pm
"and for anyone to try to claim a moral high ground by stating the article is out of date shows the extremes delusionists will go to in order to ignore the very real problems that are religiously sanctioned by one of the largest collections of people with similar views,( "...........seriously, Tommy, that is not fair. I don't think Dandelion was trying to take any "moral high ground", nor was I when I became aware of when this situation actually occurred and said it was irresponsible to post it as if it was just happening.

Now, in all fairness, Dandelion, you are also not being fair in your response to G M in that you have done exactly the same thing. You and I disagreed on a subject (one of the news articles you posted and I commented on) and some time later, you sent me a Green Star for something and I tried to send you a PM to thank you. It didn't go thru as you had blocked me. I found that a bit childish in that nothing I had ever said to you, ANYWHERE was rude or disrespectful. We simply disagreed on a topic.

I sincerely hope this discussion hasn't or will not digress into a round of personal attacks. I'm very much interested in doing what I can, as an individual to voice my opinion about "child marriages", and the situation being "reported" is disgusting. However, since it's so old, and I think it would be fruitless for me to sign a petition about THIS situation, I won't, and will UNCHECK this article to track. I want to be involved with current stuff, and not devote attention to the past or what I can't change.

Diane L (110)
Thursday August 15, 2013, 10:35 pm
And, David..........I just noticed your SNARKY comment to me. That was uncalled for and you know it. This area is one where any of us can "host" a story, and Care2 doesn't edit them. I doubt they care if the information is accurate, old or whatever, as it often is not.

Ten minutes old is an asinine thing to suggest. The point is that an incident happening 5 years ago should be stated that it HAPPENED 5 years ago, not be written as if it's relatively current and that the court decision just happened. Stan B said that it's important to be "informed" about such things, no matter when they happened. I couldn't agree more, except that it's also important to state WHEN they did happen. If this situation has not resulted in change, that's worthy of reporting, but do so in a matter to state that, not focus on an old case.

John De Avalon (36)
Friday August 16, 2013, 9:13 am
A damning indictment of a society that permits this sort of thing.


AnimalWhisperer Caswell (154)
Friday August 16, 2013, 9:53 am
Completely sick; the cure for this is quite simple; castrate them!!!!!!

Helen Porter (39)
Friday August 16, 2013, 11:43 pm
Sorrow is a child,

Gillian M (218)
Sunday August 18, 2013, 5:50 am
Diane, did you not notice that I gave links to other stories with current dates. Just because this article is older than I realised does not make it any the less relevant.

This is still happening regularly and it is saddening that so many are ignoring the suffering of little girls because they dislike the date.

Diane L (110)
Sunday August 18, 2013, 11:54 pm
Yes, G M, I noticed. I think you may have missed my point in that I find it annoying to click on a C2 subject (that comes into my private e-mail in a long list of discussions available) and find it doesn't pertain to what is going on NOW, but as in this case, happened 5 years ago. If you want to circulate petitions about current things, that's fine, and then post an article about THEM (current things). It does no good to write about an event that happened 5 years ago and not even state that it happened 5 years ago and others have to bring that to our attention.

I will accept the fact that it's "older than you realized", but maybe you should do a bit more research before posting such things, or at least to the extent that it is clear as to what is past history and what is current. This happens all too frequently in C2, and it becomes more and more to the extent that some consider Care2 to have sunk into the depths of "yellow journalism" and removes credibility.

Patricia Martinez (63)
Monday August 19, 2013, 2:03 pm

Unfortunately it was only in the past 3 or so months that the Saudis have been encouraging the mothers of baby girls (still in diapers) to have their babies covered up from head to toe in the black garb of Islamic women, including the face cover so that men will not feel the need to rub the babies' thighs with their penises. Sounds totally sick, of course, but apparently it's become an epidemic in Saudi Arabia.

What in the world is with a society like this that baby girls are the objects of sexual pleasure?

Gillian M (218)
Monday August 19, 2013, 3:41 pm
Diane, it doesn't actually matter that the date of this article is 5 years ago or yesterday or even 20 years ago, it is happening now to thousands of little girls. This one is lucky because she wasn't taken straight to bed and probably internal damage. Most others aren't.

I pity you in that you can only sympathise with victims where the news date is within a week or so. This girl may still be able to be helped but it is too late for the others that were forcibly married off and raped.

Diane L (110)
Monday August 19, 2013, 10:51 pm
G M, yes it matters as far as being irresponsible in "reporting" and "posting" is concerned. Please don't waste your "pity" on me because I have had the "AUDACITY' to point that out to you. I don't want or need YOUR pity, but I almost feel like you deserve mine for being so intolerant to being told you may have not posted this as you should have. WHERE did you get the idea or impression that I only sympathize with victims of abuse if it's within "a week or so"? I think you need to re-read what I posted.

Diane L (110)
Monday August 19, 2013, 11:17 pm
Patricia M., can you provide some substantiation for that? I've never heard of that happening before, and not saying it doesn't, but it makes little sense when you think about it. Did you read about one isolated case, or is this supposedly "the norm" in Saudi? Can you post a link to your source of information, please?

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday August 20, 2013, 1:07 pm
Diane, the story is as relevant today as it was then and if you choose to stay on the board then I expect you to accept it and stop moaning. My sympathies do not change with the date and I still continue to work to help them. If you want a modern petition then please start one yourself and, as I said to Dandelion, I have no doubt that each of us would sign it.

Regarding your request to Patricia, these links may interest you although they were not uploaded within the last few days

“Burkas for babies”: Saudi cleric’s new fatwa causes controversy

Muslim Baby Girls Hijab Styles


Gillian M (218)
Tuesday August 20, 2013, 1:29 pm
From January this year even if it is a little old although there are other links further back to show that this story is still relevant

Saudi Arabia: 15-year-old Girl Flees Arranged Marriage to 90-year-old Man

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday August 20, 2013, 2:27 pm
Saudi cleric says 'baby burkas' would prevent child molestation


Gillian M (218)
Tuesday August 20, 2013, 2:37 pm
Imam says 6 -7 year old girls can look sexy, even to their own fathers, so cover them up

Stan B (123)
Tuesday August 20, 2013, 4:40 pm
G M. Many thanks for your comprehensive references about these evil pedophiles.

Diane L (110)
Tuesday August 20, 2013, 10:51 pm
G.M., the only person "moaning" seems to be you because you've been criticized. When one posts a story in C2, they need to expect disagreement and other opinions. If you can't accept that, then maybe you shouldn't post stories in C2NN, and you can complain to Customer Service and have my comment deleted if Eric feels it's against the C.O.C., but nothing I've said has been. I said merely that while I agree with the premise about marrying off young girls for money, it is not responsible "journalism" to post links to such old situations. If this is still happening, why not find a link to something current?

The link to another C2 member's post as far as what some Muslim cleric said is not proof that it's the "norm" for men in Saudi to rub their private parts on female infants unless they're wrapped up in a burka. I have no idea who "Imam" is, but I will check out your link. Sure, many men in this country would consider 6-yr-old girls to be "sexy" and that doesn't mean they molest their daughters. There is big money in making young girls look sexy, and it's not just men here who take advantage of that. There are reality shows, "Tiaras for Toddlers" and Moms who push their little girls into beauty pageants when they should be playing with Barbies. It's all about MONEY.

Stan B (123)
Wednesday August 21, 2013, 1:17 am
I disagree Diane. It's all about Islamic pedophilia, approved by their religious leaders.

Diane L (110)
Wednesday August 21, 2013, 3:18 am
Stan B., that's fine to disagree. I disagree that the topic is pedophilia, but more about Islam condoning child abuse and sexism as far as considering women and young girls as merely "property". Every culture has their share of pedophiles, and that includes ours. In fact, the next house down on my very private road is one in which the woman's husband is currently in prison for sexually molesting 11 children............all of which were their foster kids. She's never divorced him, and neighborhood rumor has it that the guy living there now is also a pedophile.

Gillian M (218)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 12:27 pm
Diane, you were the one moaning/complaining that this is an old article and therefore not of interest. If you dislike that then there has not been anyone twisting your arm to continue to comment here. So, as you have chosen to continue, I must ask you to stop the whingeing and talk about this.

However, whilst I agree that paedophilia happens in every society, it is not legal in the West except in the US under extreme circumstances. The disgust that your society felt about your neighbour meant that he ended up in prison and, to be honest, his wife should have been there too. It does not happen in Muslim controlled countries. And this article is about paedophilia because that is sex with underage children as well as correctly pointing out, that this is Islam condoning it.

However, this is not what this article is about and I keep my disgust for that when dealing with human trafficking, much of which goes to the Muslim controlled countries in the Middle East where they have 20 million slaves and counting.

What this article is about is the disgust that we feel where countries with Sharia law rules which allows sexual abuses of little girls from birth and there are rules to allow it in the Koran. In fact, it happens in countries in the West where they settle and refuse to integrate. I also commented on Muslim sexual grooming and rape in the UK because the Koran allows that with non-Muslims yet Western countries are scared to deal with this. I have no doubt that it happens in others too but I have easier access to stories here.

The Koran also allows sexual abuse of little boys until manhood. If such stories offend people, which they do, then that is too bad. As I said, this story may be older but it is still relevant. There are more current stories for you to peruse if you so choose. I also suggest that you try reading the book that I recommended further back or look for one of your own.

There are many other paedophile abuses as well as female abuses but I have dealt with these in other stories.

Gillian M (218)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 2:22 pm
By the way, for those who are desperate to sign petitions and weren't interested in the ones that I used to upload

Diane L (110)
Thursday August 22, 2013, 11:33 pm
Good grief, G.M., how could you determine if I was "moaning" because of the mere fact I disagree with posting of a 5-yr-old situation as stated in the article here? I'm not the only one finding fault with that. I never MOANED and my only "complaint" is that you didn't take the time or put in the effort to link something going on recently, not even during the last year. I agreed with Dandelion about this, just to name ONE other member who thinks "news" should be somewhat current. If you can't tolerate being disagreed with or criticized, as I said, then maybe you shouldn't submit stories. How do you know I haven't checked out more recent events? I actually don't have time to read The Koran, nor the book you seem to now be suggesting I read. Not interested at all in Islam. I'm not interested in ANY organized religion. The marrying off of children is not religious so much as it's cultural and that is of interest. It happens in other cultures as well, even did in ours in the past, and may still within some communities such as Mormons and Menonites.

Please stop wasting your energy by attacking me, personally, for having the audacity to find fault with your time frame here. No, nobody is twisting my arm to comment, nor is anyone forcing you to keep bringing me into it by continuing to call me out, by name. If you stop addressing ME, I won't waste time replying. I guess you think I should just slink away and go stand in the corner because you don't like my "criticism"? This is Care2, where the Code of Conduct agrees with and even suggests posting differences of opinion. I'm entitled to mine, even if you don't like what I have to say..............PROVIDING that civility and respect is exercised. I've been very civil and posted with all "due" respect. Can you say the same when you pretty much seem to say that if I don't like what you stated, I shouldn't have the right to comment? That is called "censorship" and borderline bullying.

Nancy Black (308)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 9:05 pm
Noted, tweeted, shared, tweeted, shared.There is no way that this could be considered a marriage. A child of eight doesn't has reason enough to understand marriage much less get married. A man of 58 has no reason to marry a child of 8 even though he is willing to wait until she is 18 before having sex with her. Her father has sold her and taken away her basic rights of choosing who she plans to be wife of and mother of his children. She has no say so when they do have sex, it will be rape. Disgusting.

Gillian M (218)
Monday August 26, 2013, 12:40 pm
Diane AND still you come back and moan about the age of the story, it seems to be your only interest. I acknowledged it was old and linked more modern stories AND STILL you whinge. For someone who doesn't have a lot of time you seem to have spent all of your time complaining about it.

Yet again let me explain that this is still a relevant subject regardless of its age. And while paedophilia does happen across all countries I note that you have ignored the fact that it is illegal in Western countries and is a religious, not a cultural act, in Muslim controlled countries.

If you wish to comment on that, please go ahead otherwise there is no point in continuing to comment the same old same old.

Gillian M (218)
Wednesday August 28, 2013, 1:29 pm
Diane, for someone who complains about not having time, why do you keep coming back and moaning. I acknowledged that I made a mistake but you keep on whingeing about it. Grow up and get a life.


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