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Dual Citizenship -- Loyal to Whom?


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: government, loyalty, israel, american, allegiance, american jews, mukasey, chertoff, perle, wolfowitz, neocons, Iraq war )

Marion
- 2318 days ago - viewzone.com
Dual Citizenship -- Should we be worried? Someone wrote and asked me, "Why are there Israeli- but not Mexican-American Dual Nationals?"



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Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 1:13 pm
Take a look at who's on this list of dual American-Israeli citizenship. Most of these people were the framers and facilitators of the illegal Iraq War (Occupation). Most, if not all, are actively working toward attacking Iran and egging Russia on.

This is an important story that is critical to this nation's security. All American's should be aware of this.
 

. (0)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 2:17 pm
Therefore, if we were not to change the current course with extreme caution, we can expect the following consequences: #1. A joining of forces by Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah/Hamas, Al Qaeda, Venezuela, N.Korea, and Pakistan (if overthrown). #2. Russian bombers dropping ordinance, and massive troop invasions. #3. Chinese cyberwar units initiating strategic U.S./Israeli Internet attacks (coordinating with Russia/Iran/Al Qaeda), and the Chinese invasion of Taiwan! #4. Iran blocking/attacking the Persian Gulf (Hormuz), and missile/assassination squad attacks. #5-6. Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas doing whatever Iran/Russia/China tells them to do! #7. Al Qaeda delivering 'real' WMD to U.S./Israeli targets. #8-9-10. Venezuela, N.Korea, and possibly Pakistan follow suit. Note: Britain and other U.S. allies join in, and you could see early on where this was going to end! This is bad timing to play Russian-roulette, because at the same time we face Global Climate-Change, and a possible Global Hyper-Inflation/Depression stage. This is just my humble interjection, but this is what is being egged-on! In my opinion we should obviously change direction immediately. I mean since someone has allowed it to go this far in the first place.
 

Mary H. (47)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 3:10 pm
Ty for posting -- this doesn't surprise me in the least
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 3:47 pm
Robert...Yes, we need to change direction now. Just looking at the Georgia-Russia fiasco where it appears the US and Israel put Georgia up to attacking Ossetia, this is but another example of dual-citizenship instigating that benefits Israel's agenda and harms the US and other nations.

A big lie has been told and the American people have bought it.
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 4:40 pm
Noted, thanks Marion.
German Americans can also have a duel citizenship if their mother was born in Germany and then immigrated to the U.S. became a citizen. So, if my mother was born in Germany and moved to the US with her parents then I would automatically be a German citizen as well. I would not need a passport nor a visa, and I would be able to move to Germany any time I wanted to move. But unfortunately for me my mom was born in the US. Oh well, I got left out once again.

But the list of maggots who have a duel citizenship is scary to say the least. They are all war mongers and would like nothing more than to dominate the world. True New World Order people, or should I put Nazi World Order people? After all Bush grandfather Prescott S Bush contributed financially to Nazi Germany to push Hitler's rise to power. There isn't much that surprises anymore. Good for you for finding who the duel citizen dirt bags are... Many green stars to you Marion.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 4:46 pm
Stephen, I have no problem with dual citizenship. It is when these people are in powerful government/political positions and have loyalty to two different countries, then they may not be representing the best interests of Americans. Yes, this is scary stuff. I'd like to know who is watching the ship while Congress is asleep on the job?

Thank you for your input!
 

. (0)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 5:16 pm
I am not into war except the war on global warming thats it as far as i am concerned come home and forget the other countries none of them
 

Sandy v. (91)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 6:04 pm
Good question about Mexican Americans and duel citizenship but perhaps Mexico doesn't allow any duel citizenship or we don't and that wouldn't surprize me. Look at all we have to be afraid of from our neighbors to the south..and when you figure out what a threat they are to our country, please let me know. They aren't violent and don't hate us yet. No bombs, no threats, no terrorist activities. Wish I could say that about the countries citizens we do "want" and allow to come here.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 6:51 pm
Sandy, good point!
 

Mary Neal (187)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 10:56 pm
Isn't it amazing that world history appears to be winding down to the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies -- a showdown between Israel and her enemies? I am blown away that such a small piece of real estate has the world up in arms, aren't you?

Mary
 

Gregory S. (257)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 11:30 pm
Prophesy can only occur if the mindset of humanity allows it. The spiritual evolution of each individual can overcome any obstacle especially if the greater good is served.

I did not know of Michael Chertoff being a citizen of both the United States and Israel.

This appears to me as a conflict of interest.

It was not my decision to place Mr. Chernoff into sensitive United States positions. If it were, I would not have allowed such a decision to be made.

I love the people of Israel. I hope they do not see my comment as derogatory to them. I would say the same if Mr. Chernoff were a dual citizen of the United States and any other country given the sensitive nature of his job.
 

Peace Monger (185)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 1:30 am
Informative article Marion, I was unaware, as many here, of the top positions held by those with duel citizenship. That this was allowed in the first place and still goes on, permitting important decisions be made which favor other countries is an outrage!
While I am not opposed to duel citizenship in general, I am opposed to duel citizens holding high level govt positions.

Thanx for the 'heads up' on this important info m'friend
 

RC deWinter (418)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 4:35 am
Yes, it is frightening that so many people who advocate war in the Middle East have strong ties to Israel. And even those without dual citizenship are dangerous...look at a**hole Joe Lieberman...he's ALL for nuking Iran, and I am sure there are many more. People used to be worried about Catholics being more loyal to the Pope than to the flag...I think they were worried about the wrong group!
 

Mimi J. (121)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 4:50 am
The Jews and the bicycle riders are always guilty...
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 6:03 am
noted...thanks for posting...
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 6:09 am
"Prophesy can only occur if the mindset of humanity allows it. The spiritual evolution of each individual can overcome any obstacle especially if the greater good is served."

Greg: You said it so well. And yes, this does appear to be a conflict of interest.

Kim and Cate: Yes, outrageous and dangerous. I don't know if Lieberman is a dual citizen, but wikipedia.org says "he is also a consistent supporter of Israel." Interesting that Lieberman was involved with the Georgia-Russia battle and was to have gone back to visit Georgia again last week. Very interesting. Somehow we have manipulated the laws in favor of the criminals, it seems.

Everyone: Thank you for your input!
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 6:34 am
A little research uncovered the following:

DUAL CITZENSHIP: Appearance of foreign allegiance

"In addition to the formal adjudicative process of security clearance, there is a matter of public perception for individuals with dual citizenship as demonstrating potential dual loyalty that applies to any government office, even one that does not require security clearance.

In the United States, dual citizenship is not very common among politicians, although Arnold Schwarzenegger has retained his Austrian citizenship during his service as a Governor of California." [No mention made of the Israeli dual citzenships discussed in this thread.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_citizenship

And;

"Based on the U.S. Department of State regulation on dual citizenship (7 FAM 1162), the Supreme Court of the United States has stated that dual citizenship is a “status long recognized in the law” and that “a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both. The mere fact he asserts the rights of one citizenship does not without more mean that he renounces the other,” (Kawakita v. U.S., 343 U.S. 717) (1952). In Schneider v. Rusk 377 U.S. 163 (1964), the US Supreme Court ruled that a naturalized US citizen has the right to return to his or her native country and to resume his or her former citizenship, and also to remain a US citizen even if he or she never returns to the United States.

Although the U.S. Government does not endorse dual citizenship as a matter of policy, it recognizes the existence of dual citizenship and completely tolerates the maintenance of multiple citizenship by U.S. citizens. In the past, claims of other countries on dual-national U.S. citizens sometimes placed them in situations where their obligations to one country were in conflict with the laws of the other. However, as fewer countries require military service and most base other obligations, such as the payment of taxes, on residence and not citizenship, these conflicts have become less frequent. As a result, there has been a dramatic increase in recent years in the number of people who maintain U.S. citizenship in other countries."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law

And;

DUAL LOYALTY: "Dual loyalty is a term used in political discussions to describe, a situation where a person has loyalty to two separate interests which potentially conflict with each other.

A historical example of perceived political dual loyalties can be found in the history of the Second French Empire. Napoleon III was, in his early life, a member of the Italian anti-Austrian resistance movement, the Carbonari. According to some historians, Napoleon's pro-Italian and anti-Austrian sentiments deterred him from intervening in the Austro-Prussian War on the Austrian side. This allowed Prussia to gain sufficient strength to defeat France four years later in the Franco-Prussian War.

Transnationalist interpretations: Some scholars refer to a growing trend of transnationalism and suggest that as societies become more heterogeneous and multi-cultural, the term "dual loyalty" increasingly becomes a meaningless bromide. According to the theory of transnationalism, migration (as well as other factors including improved global communication) produces new forms of identity that transcend traditional notions of physical and cultural space. Nina Glick Schiller, Linda Basch, and Cristina Blanc-Szanton define a process by which immigrants "link together" their country of origin and their country of settlement.

The transnationalist view is that "dual loyalty" is a potentially positive expression of multi-culturalism, and can contribute to the diversity and strength of civil society. While this view is popular in many academic circles, others are skeptical of this idea. As one paper describes it, "On occasion, these imagined communities conform to the root meaning of transnational, extending beyond loyalties that connect to any specific place of origin or ethnic or national group. Yet what immigration scholars describe as transnationalism is usually its opposite... highly particularistic attachments antithetical to those by-products of globalization denoted by the concept of "transnational civil society" and its related manifestations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_loyalty

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My take on this is that politicians who wanted dual citizenship changed the laws to suit their geopolitical aspirations. Yet, looking at the Napoleon example above, these American-Israeli dual citizen politicians fit Napoleon's conflict almost exactly.

US sentiment with 75% of Americans is against war with Iraq and they want to pull out. They also want careful consideration before any other wars are waged and want approval through proper channels. These dual citizen politicians have clear allegiance to Israel who wants war with Iran, Russia and who knows who else.

Houston, I think we have a (major) problem...

ps...Sorry to get all technical on you folks. But the implications this issue has toward our national security and economy is so great that I felt it necessary to back up my statements with quotes from references.
 

Carol W. (119)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 7:47 am
Jews are allowed to be citizens of both Israel and some countries — U.S. is one of those countries. The U.S. government allows a Jew to be a citizen of both U.S. and Israel.

German Americans cannot be citizens of both the U.S. and Germany. Italian Americans cannot be citizen of both U.S. and Italy. Egyptian-Americans cannot be citizens of both the U.S. and Egypt . . . BUT, a Jewish American can be a citizen of both Israel and the U.S.

Then I know an associate who has 3 naturalized passports: Mexico, Belize, Panama, & USA
What does that mean?

I do know that in,
I Mexico foreigners can own a home and live there, but will never be permitted to vote or protest., or they will be jailed.

Both Germany & England ceased duel citizenships in the 80's. Even if you are born in the country you retain your parents citizenship until you become of legal age, then you can decide which citizenship you wish to maintain. But you can not have more than one.
 

Carol W. (119)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 7:49 am

opps dual.
. No fighting (duel/formal combat).. ha
 

Frank H. (478)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 8:21 am
There should be no dual-citizenship allowed. If one has that distinction by birth, s/he should be required to choose, 0ne or the other, when turning 18.
 

Lee D. (22)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 8:34 am
In my mind, if you want to live your life in a country other than your birth country, you take on citizenship of that country and forfeit all others. I did. I am Canadian, not German-Canadian. I gave up my German citizenship because my heart is in Canada. Dual citizenship should be outlawed. It serves no good purpose and one cannot be loyal to two masters.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 8:57 am
"It serves no good purpose and one cannot be loyal to two masters."

Lee...It makes perfect sense to me, especially if those two masters have conflicting agendas.

Carol, Frank and Lee - Good input. Thank you!
 

Carol W. (119)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 9:01 am
The Power of the Israel Lobby in the United States

This is a must watch video

Tegenlicht, a documentary program by the Dutch public broadcast organization VPRO, allows several interesting opinion makers to speak on the future of the American and Israel relationship

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17525.htm

Oct 07 compliments to, Madalena
http://www.care2.com/news/member/198234727/505834
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 10:23 am
Holy shit, we're the United States of Israel !

It seems to me that the dual citizenship of these politicians could be pushing to make the prophecy true.

Let's all repeat - There is Peace on Earth - Repeat as often as possible day in and day out. We can make this happen.
 

Kerry S. (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 3:01 pm
still waiting to hear whether or not obama has or ever has had dual citizneship with Indonesia and or Kenya...can not run for POTUS if have a dual citizenship. Was adopted by his Indonesian step father and had citizenship there, has been shown that he ever renounced that. for more info you can check out www.noquarter.net/blog or for any other questions try going to www.factcheck.org
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 4:21 pm
Deborah, It's pretty crazy...

Kerry, Obama was born in Hawaii and does not have dual citizenship. A quick google search will help you if you want to research Obama's background and learn what he is about.

John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone. You might want to check on him too. ;)

http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_obama
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 4:46 pm
Carol, thank you for this link. I'm starting to watch it now. It's 50 minutes so I'm taking notes for others on the highlights. I'll come back and post on this video. Valuable information!
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 7:37 pm
Again, thanks to Carol, this is a very important video that has valuable information in understanding the Israel Lobby and its influence on American policy in the middle east. Here are my notes from the video. I am not afraid to post this information that others are afraid to talk about. After all, this is supposed to be America, and we are supposed to have freedom of speech. I strongly recommend viewing this video, rather than running with my notes to understand the entire documentary. Here goes:

Title: The Israel Lobby. Portrait of a Great Taboo (50 min video)

Q: "Why is there so much pressure to go to war with Iran?"

A: Because of pressure from the Israel Lobby.

"The article [The Israel Lobby and US foreign policy] basically says that inside the US there is a powerful interest group that is deeply committed to shaping American foreign policy in ways that work to the benefit of Israel."

"The article argues that the policies the US ends up pursuing in the middle east, because of the Lobby's force in the decision-making process, are not in the American national interest."

"We don't debate this issue [Jewish Lobbying] in America...We can't talk about this issue in America..."

"Israel no longer provides the US a strategic value like it did during the Cold War. Not only that, Israel is a strategic burden on the US. That's a big difference from Cold War days. However, the connections between the US and Israel are so great and so strong that geopolitical strategy is of no consequence here...America can't get out of this [burden with Israel] even if it wanted to...one of the reasons is the powerful Jewish Lobby.

Pastor Hagee preaches to his congregation: "There's a new Hitler and he's the president of Iran...Iran plans to exterminate the Jews in Israel...a nuclear holocaust..." [Why are some churches preaching this hate and lies?]

Earl Hilliard, congressman 1991-2002: "AIPAC put in resolutions condemning Libya. They kept this in the file with [condemning] Syria, Iran and Iraq [Axis of Evil] and they [AIPAC] kept pushing for sanctions and all sorts of actions against them." He talks about how he voted against these resolutions. When he ran for reelection, ads were all over TV implicating him with Iraq and Iran right after 9-11, which was a lie. He lost the election. That's what this lobby can do to someone's political career. "Understand, it's a forbidden subject. No one wants to talk about Jews. It's a no-no topic."

"There's a powerful force out there that notes immediately when someone takes anti-Israel positions..."

This lobby goes after people in a hard way and shuts them down, which also serves to send a message to other people who talk about this forbidden topic.

Barbara Boxer: "America and Israel share an UNBREAKABLE bond..."

Mr. Wilkerson: "Money does not flow into a particular senator's coffers unless he supports the Lobby..."

"Money is their first major influence, and this Administration is awash in money, more so than any other administration in American history."

Congresspeople who vote against AIPAC resolutions typically won't even talk to the press about it because this position is perilous to them...reduction in campaign funds...problems in their home district..."

A democratic senator (name withheld) confided that if he spoke against Israel on the senate floor he would be punished in the future because none of his resolutions would be considered and his career would be finished.

Senator Barbara Boxer: "The US will stand with Israel now and forever."

Q: "If a presidential candidate spoke of abandoning Israel, what would happen?"

Richard Perle: "He'd lose the election. Almost certainly...I would be surprised if there are even 2 or 3 districts where it's even conceivable."

"The neocons, including Perle, Cheney, Feith, have brought the art of lying to a new level."

The lie to go to war with Iraq was heavily influenced by AIPAC. Also, the Israeli government was feeding the US government the lie that Iraq had WMD capability and was an imminent threat. Israel was a full partner in this scheme to convince the American public and around the world that Iraq was an imminent threat. We now know this was a lie, but at the time you could not make the argument against this lie.

Richard Perle denies the Jewish Lobby's influence toward this Administration. But if he were to admit the truth, he'd probably say the US and Israel's interests are the same.

Wilkerson: "That's b.s. No two countries in history, and no two countries in the future will ever have coincidental national interests all the time. No way."

There's a background, a history (the holocaust), a reason for the "victimization" excuse. But this victimization for collective par suffering and present individual actions could be said of the Palestinian crisis, African American slave crisis, etal. But to turn that into public policy is catastrophic, and that is what we see today.

What if this particular view of Israeli interests and the shared American interests is continued to be bulldozed onto the American public and political leadership? What if there's a backlash?

The kind of backlash that can be envisaged where enough of the American public and eventually by extension their elected officials turn around and say we need to disengage our overstretch in the middle east.

It could be as a result of what happens in Iraq or Iran that people become very angry with our relationship with Israel. It could be 2 or 3 senators who make a forceful case to change our policy.

Richard Perle: "It just isn't going to happen."

Wilkerson: "I'm going to make a prediction...if this president orders us to go to war in Iran in the next two years, and he orders any considerable ground component to participate in that - Marines or Army - then I think you're going to see another major exodus from the armed forces...general officers...because I think they understand just how colossally wrong such a decision would be, and how much that would be the precursor for, call it what you will, WWIII or WWIV."

"Remember the Roman Empire. For a long, long time the state of Judea behaved in ways which annoyed the Romans but didn't do them any harm. But the point at which they became a nuisance, the Romans turned against them, destroyed their temple, wiped them out and told them the Empire has bigger concerns than you. This is what Israel faces in the next 25 years.

"The American Empire might say "you don't matter so much to us" either because we need oil more than we need you, or because oil is no longer important. It doesn't matter. You're more trouble than you're worth, and the issue of the holocaust and anti-semitism is declining with a demographic move to the next generation. This is a catastrophe for Israel, because Israel has no other friends in the world."

End of notes
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Marc Gartmann (142)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 4:57 am
I remember when the MP of a right wing Dutch party spoke out against dual citizenship. He was almost incarcerated as a racist for bringing it up and questioning the loyalty of ministers in the Dutch Government who had the Turkish, or Marrokan nationality, next to the Dutch nationality.
 

Dan C. (0)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 10:52 am
"We can have no 50-50allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all"
part of 1907 speach by Theodore Roosevelt...
Who do you think got that in to law.
Duel loyalty to two nations is like duel loyalty to GOD and to the devil.
It is the cause of evil covert danger, wars, occupation, blood money changers, genocide, murder, ETC. Who made duel citizenship leagle in the USA or who lobbyed to get it changed with (bribes to unloyal polititions) donations for re-election times? We have lost our way in the USA. Will we fight to get our constitution and country back? Do we have the guts to stand up to congress as a we the people lobby.? If we do, our precious USA will return to tha most honered and admired nation on earth once again. If we do not...will we be divided up and become like Palestin people trapped behind 50 foot high walls in their own land. Peace and justice to all peacemakers in the world.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 10:53 am
Marc...And I'm sure it affected his career in some way too. The victim usually cries racism, but there's so much more at stake. It's the same reason civilized nations allow only one wife to one man, or vice versa. How can an individual spread their love, loyalty and devotion equally and fairly to both spouses without harming or neglecting the other? Not a perfect comparison, but similar.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 11:00 am
Dan...Welcome to Care2! Excellent comment. I have nothing to add to that.
 

Dan C. (0)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 11:01 am
Thursday August 21, 2008, 10:52 am
"We can have no 50-50allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all"
part of 1907 speach by Theodore Roosevelt...
Who do you think got that in to law.
Duel loyalty to two nations is like duel loyalty to GOD and to the devil.
It is the cause of evil covert danger, wars, occupation, blood money changers, genocide, murder, ETC. Who made duel citizenship leagle in the USA or who lobbyed to get it changed with (bribes to unloyal polititions) donations for re-election times? We have lost our way in the USA. Will we fight to get our constitution and country back? Do we have the guts to stand up to congress as a we the people lobby.? If we do, our precious USA will return to tha most honered and admired nation on earth once again.
 

Dan C. (0)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 11:05 am
Thank you Marion... But it was flagged as inappropriate... I wonder if it will be OK cut down to ...
"We can have no 50-50allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all"
part of 1907 speach by Theodore Roosevelt...
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 11:17 am
Dan...On my screen, your entire post appears okay. It may have just been a kink in the system. We just moved over to a redesigned website yesterday and can expect glitches and snafus now and then. The last sentence in your post reads:

"If we do, our precious USA will return to tha most honered and admired nation on earth once again. " So I think we got it all.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 11:22 am
Dan...I see what you mean. Your last paragraph is this:

"If we do not...will we be divided up and become like P---------n people trapped behind 50 foot high walls in their own land. Peace and justice to all peacemakers in the world."

I guess the Care2 doesn't want us to mention that country. That's the only reason I can come up with.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 11:23 am
Test...Palestinian
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 11:23 am
Well, it was that word so I don't know what it was.
 

Carol W. (119)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 5:43 pm
Some of the countries that promote dual citizenship:

This is a puzzler:
From: http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/2446

A change in attitude began to first occur when women were given the right to vote in this country. They mobilized to force congress to repeal the law that stripped them of their citizenship should they marry a foreigner. In l952, the Supreme Court ruled that forcing a citizen to choose between nationalities had no statutory foundation. Another court case determined that it was cruel and unusual punishment to strip citizenship away for military desertion and that it couldn’t be taken away for fighting in a foreign war. The grounds for expatriation were slowly eliminated by our judicial system. In l967, in Afroyim v Rusk, it was decided by the Supreme Court that voting in a foreign election could not cause Americans to lose their citizenship. Because the 14th Amendment says that all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States, it has been interpreted as meaning citizenship could not be taken away without a person’s assent. But this has gone too far. Completely disregarding our naturalization law, the state department now informally advises those who aspire to American citizenship that do not really have to give up their foreign citizenship.

While to some folks the idea of dual citizenship might seem benign, it can greatly effect a person’s emotional attachment and identification with this country. Emotional attachment and identification with a country contributes greatly to a person’s willingness to make sacrifices and stand in harms way to defend our home, values, and ideals. Still, dual citizenship has become acceptable because instead of promoting assimilation, diversity has become the mantra of our public institutions, undermining what traditionally binds us together; the shared values and political beliefs that make us one people...This notion and the idea that there are no consequences for those whose allegiance to this country might be compromised.

Between l994 and 2002, over 90 percent of the immigrants to this country were dual citizens. When an immigrant to this country becomes a citizen yet continues to actively participate politically in the home country, this clearly represents a conflict of interest. Yet, the United States does not regulate whether dual citizens vote, serve, or fight for a foreign government. As a result, countries like Mexico encourage its nationals living in the United States to vote absentee in their elections. As a matter of fact, candidates for office in Mexico actually campaign in the United States as if these nationals still lived in their country. Certain Israeli political parties (Orthodox-Haredi mainly) regularly airlift their followers to Israel to vote. Dominicans actually voted at polling booths set up in New York. This list goes on. It is well known that political participation fosters and reflects an emotional bond with a country. How can an immigrant express patriotism and vote in our elections through an American frame of reference when there is no expectation of true allegiance to the home team?

There are even more compelling examples of how dual citizens exhibit conflict of interest.



When a Columbian and elected official in New Jersey, Jesus Galvis, ran for office in the Columbian senate, he stated to reporters that it was no different than a US Congressman having a district office and a Washington office. He was simply, “representing the Colombians in the United States.” How about those that weren’t Columbian?



Worse, “three Mexicans living in the United States are running for seats in Mexico’s Congress. If they win – and chances are good for at least two of them, one in Chicago and one in Los Angeles – they will live in the United States and represent Mexicans here.”



As an advisor to Mexican President Vicente Fox, American Juan Hernandez’s job was to mobilize Mexican Americans to think Mexico First.



Since 9/11, it has come to the attention of western governments that there is a problem of loyalty in immigrant populations. There are some folks living in western nations that have sympathy for hostile powers. As their numbers grow larger, this becomes more and more unmanageable. We are now in the midst of a security crisis. According to the Northeast Intelligence Network, "...there are more than 50 Islamic terrorist cells and nearly one thousand individuals identified as operable threats suspected to be presently inside the United States. (Most of the 1000 or so individuals are directly associated with the cells identified).”



In 2006, because the infrastructure in Lebanon was used to transport weapons and support to the terrorist organization Hezbollah, Israel bombed the airport, the port and the bridges to Syria. Israel bombed south Lebanon, the Bekaa, and southern Beirut, where Hezbollah had been training Al-Qaeda terrorists who travel via Syria into Iraq and Afghanistan. Terrorists trained in Lebanon were developing roadside bombs used on our marines and soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. These terrorists have cells in America and stand ready to unleash suicide bombing here in America.

During Hezbollah’s war against Israel, US tax dollars were used to transport 15,000 Shi'ite Muslim Lebanese U.S. citizens back to the US. This occurred despite the fact that many of these dual citizens are terrorist sympathizers, a large percentage living in Dearborn, Michigan. Many have been indicted and/or convicted of laundering money to Hezbollah, a group that on numerous occasions announced their intention to attack Americans on U.S. soil. Hezbollah has murdered over 300 U.S. Marines and civilians, some through torture.

General Naturalization Requirements state that any applicant for naturalization must demonstrate good moral character, a belief in the principles of the United States Constitution, and favor the good order and happiness of the United States. Furthermore, citizenship shall not be granted to anyone who opposes organized government, is a member of the Communist Party or advocates the doctrines of world communism, advocates the overthrow by force of the US government, or advocates for totalitarian rule.

Conflict of interest is undermining this country’s sovereignty. Immigrants to the United States are actively maintaining ties to their home country and their home countries are encouraging this. Furthermore, there are people living in the United States who do not feel loyalty to our country, who put foreign ideals above our own, and who are willing to put our people in harms way to further their personal beliefs. According to the Constitution, it is the legislative branch that is in charge of naturalization laws. It is up to the people to vote in legislators who will fix this mess!

Nancy Salvato - June 30, 2008 - source MichNews
 

Marion Y. (322)
Friday August 22, 2008, 10:53 am
Excellent input Carol. You've hit the key points on conflict of interest. Our US Atty General who replaced Alberto Gonzalez, Michael Mukasey, is an American-Israeli dual citizen. So far, he has legalized some disastrous legislation for this country. Who is he loyal to?

We're at a point where we may as well rename this country "United States of Israel". Why continue to lie to ourselves?

Here's an interesting article showing AIPAC espionage in 2005....

Declassified Old Documents Shed New Light on AIPAC Espionage Prosecution
More than one thousand documents released under Freedom of Information Act filings reveal details of a secret battle that raged between founders of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and top US law enforcement officials
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-1178-0-11-11--.html



 

Judy Cross (83)
Saturday January 3, 2009, 12:37 pm
It is time to bring this up again in light of the invasion of Gaza.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Saturday January 3, 2009, 3:33 pm
Thanks for resurrecting this thread, Judy. I had forgotten all about it. Many would like to ignore history. I have found that if we ignore history, it repeats itself...with a vengeance.

It seems we have put the fox in charge of the hen house...
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday January 14, 2009, 10:53 am

Jewish American Politicians

I have no idea which ones on this list hold dual citizenship, but by pulling up a particular name, I'm sure the profile will give that information. We need to know where a politician's loyalty lies - the US or Israel. From the voting records, laws and views of many of these dual-citizens, I believe our best interests on their radar. Rather, they are doing many things that run counter to our best interests.

I would use caution by researching these individual's backgrounds and activities before labeling all Jewish American politicians as loyal to Israel over the US. We have many fine Jewish citizens in this country who care deeply about America and our people. However, I am very much opposed to this dual citizenship for politicians. There is too much at stake to risk.

You decide.
 

Jacob Abu-Zeid (1)
Wednesday January 14, 2009, 4:20 pm
Another great stand from Bolivia " President Evo Morales announced Wednesday he was breaking relations with Israel over its invasion of the Gaza Strip and said he will ask the International Criminal Court to bring genocide charges against top Israeli officials.See article : http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=19355571
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday January 14, 2009, 6:36 pm
Jacob ~ This is good news!!

Viva Chavez and Morales!!
 

Cheryl Benson (390)
Sunday March 22, 2009, 1:34 pm
just came to submit this, noted :)
 

Chris M. (0)
Thursday March 26, 2009, 3:10 pm
If you don't like dual citizenship just don't get it, but don't criticize those who have it, or those who want it
 

George W. (0)
Sunday April 19, 2009, 9:10 pm
It's not up to you folks decide. No matter where and under which governorship true (religious) Jews will be loyal to their real Homeland - [Group allegiance]. To prove their loyalty to each other - their tribal peer, they need that Dual Citizenship. How are they able to procure such a powerful exception? They have enough Group power, influence and wealth. It worked in Babylon, in Egypt, it worked in Medieval Europe, and it works just fine in the US of A. There is no such a thing as shame or moral. What kind of shame can I or you feel if you step on a bug, or ant? Remember we're just a GOYIM [insignificant locals]! As long as Locals tolerate this sort or relations the Dual Citizens will continue enjoy their power - support their loyal GOY, punish the ungrateful....
 
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