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Rutgers University: Boycott, Divestment, and Sanction of Israel


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Rutgers University, divestment, snactions, Israeli occupation, illegal, ethnic cleansing, military force, boycott, Palestinian human rights, violence against Palestinians, end US aid to Israel, Free palestine, freedom of expression, speech, movement )

Jess
- 197 days ago - change.org
For the past 65 years, the Israeli government has oppressed and traumatized the Palestinian people by numerous means, including, but not limited to, racial discrimination, ethnic cleansing, illegal settlement and colonization, and military occupation.



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jess b (24)
Monday February 10, 2014, 12:11 pm
For the past 65 years, the Israeli government has oppressed and traumatized the Palestinian people by numerous means, including, but not limited to, racial discrimination, ethnic cleansing, illegal settlement and colonization, and military occupation. Thousands of Palestinian men, women, and children have been killed since the beginning of this conflict, and Palestinian refugees and their descendants number in the millions.
 

Debbie Williamson (264)
Monday February 10, 2014, 12:44 pm
Signed and shared.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Monday February 10, 2014, 1:02 pm
Noted and signed> Shared on Face Book and tweeted as well.Will share with my care2 friends first thing in the morning
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday February 10, 2014, 1:21 pm

Although I dislike change.org . . . for YOU, Jess, I signed!

Thanks for posting.

 

Just Carole (338)
Monday February 10, 2014, 1:23 pm

[Oops!] And thank you, Abdessalam, for bringing it to my, and others' attention!

 

Henriette Matthijssen (143)
Monday February 10, 2014, 1:24 pm
I signed with message, Thanks Abdessalam for the forward, Jess for posting.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 10, 2014, 1:33 pm
Thanks for signing. Signed with 139 supporters. Thx
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Monday February 10, 2014, 1:41 pm
Signed and Tweeted (note: I don't let my sig be visible to public b/c I don't want Tweeps to know my last name.)
Thanks Jess for article and Abdessalam for sending.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Monday February 10, 2014, 2:07 pm
Thanks for signing. come on people sign Please
 

Evelyn B. (43)
Monday February 10, 2014, 2:16 pm
Reached 143 ....
I like the cartoon with the petition - wish the "real" wall could go down like dominoes .....
 

Sam H. (402)
Monday February 10, 2014, 2:18 pm
The white South African regime during apartheid was quite benevolent compared to Israel’s government(s). Besides, it was helpless when it came to influencing US policy and its society. On the other hand, Israel and its militant Zionist supporters permeate every aspect of our lives. No elected official or university official will have the courage or the decency to undertake any such divestment policies until public pressure reaches the tipping point. We’re still far from that point, but that’s no reason not to start applying pressure.

To illustrate my point, just consider what happened to Norman Finkelstein. And that’s the academia where there should be no restriction on the free exchange of ideas!

What’s ironic is the Finkelstein was considered an anti-Semite!

This is the nature of the beast we’re dealing with here! And it is a real BEAST!
 

Evelyn B. (43)
Monday February 10, 2014, 2:32 pm
See also TAKE ACTION
and
Stop US military Aid to Israel!
 

Pat B. (354)
Monday February 10, 2014, 2:37 pm
Thank you, Abdessalam for FW, and Jess for this. Signed.
 

Abo r. (101)
Monday February 10, 2014, 3:31 pm
Noted and signed #145
Thanks Jes for the post and henreite for the forward
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Monday February 10, 2014, 3:31 pm
Thank you for links, Evelyn.
 

Abo r. (101)
Monday February 10, 2014, 3:46 pm
Thank you f Evelyn. signed.
 

Natasha Salgado (519)
Monday February 10, 2014, 4:17 pm
Gladly signed-thx Jess
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Monday February 10, 2014, 7:39 pm
Signed.
 

Sherri G. (111)
Monday February 10, 2014, 7:49 pm
Signed end Noted TY Jess and for the link Abdessalam. Discrimination is wrong whether it is against Jew or perpetrated by Jews.
 

Terrie Williams (769)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 1:48 am
Thanks for signing.
Signed with 163 supporters
2,337 NEEDED
S/S/N

Thanks!
Signed and shared second petition for military aid to cease.
 

A F. (130)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 2:07 am
done thanks
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 3:32 am
More anti Israel crap. It seems to be the 'in thing' on Care2 at the moment. Ho hum... In the mean time, I'll continue to pray for peace. WORLDWIDE PEACE. I don't think the world needs another holocaust...
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 3:52 am
Correction. 'Won' the wars. This race hatred BS is really affecting me. What's happened to Care2?? If you want to spread hatred, join facebook. This site used to attract decent people in the main. How quickly things change. Seems to me that trolls are everywhere. Unbelievable. It's time for the Care2 mods to step up and draw a line in the sand.
 

Sam H. (402)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 4:22 am
I think defending Norman Finkelstein's right to speak his mind and keep his job is the honorable thing to do. You know what that means, right?

Didn't they use to speak English Down Under?
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 9:29 am
Going for BDS at Rutgers?

Sure thing, guys. Good luck with that. I'll just leave this here:
http://www.hillel.org/college-guide/list/record/rutgers-university--new-brunswick
 

Sam H. (402)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 11:25 am
Stephen,

No one is going to deny that it will be a struggle, and a long one for the reasons I mentioned in my earlier post. But name for me one civil rights goal, or any other worthy goal that was accomplished without a struggle.

The statistics you listed are interesting. You point to the makeup of the student body at Rutgers, and its Jewish component in particular. You are both bigoted and an anti-Semite if you’re going to portray every Jewish student at Rutgers as a supporter of Israel’s apartheid system and as enemy of peace.

The many Jewish activists working to achieve peace in the Middle East are not going to be denied their dues by the likes of you.

The Jews have suffered enough in history, but they were never hijacked as a people and inhumanely corralled as they were by the militant Zionist movement.

The peace movement in Israel keeps gaining momentum despite the desperate attempts of people like you and like Netanyahu and like the killers of Rabin.

You guys are on the wrong side of history!
 

jess b (24)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 2:54 pm
Thanks Sam. Excellent comments.
 

Robert O. (12)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 6:40 pm
Thanks Jess.
 

Donn M. (1)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 8:01 pm
I've got a better idea. Boycott Rutgers.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 11:34 pm
Hi Sam,

I don't think every Jewish student at Rutgers supports Israeli policies entirely. I seriously doubt that even Benjamin Netanyahu likes exactly how things are done under his own authority.

Ignoring, for the moment, the fact that the BDS movement is inherently idiotic as a "civil rights goal" (not even close to worthy), it has been thoroughly poisoned by antis-emites who effectively turn its work against Jews. The Jews at Rutger may not opt to pick a fight with BDS, but large factions within BDS that are not disavowed by the rest regularly pick a fight with them.

Now, getting back to the main reason why so many Jews oppose BDS even if they also oppose current Israeli policy regarding Palestinians: BDS makes no sense as a movement to support anybody. To anybody with significant knowledge of the situation who has really thought things through, it makes sense only as a form of aggression against Israel unrelated to support for Palestinians.

First, if you're so concerned about the poor Palestinians, why do you want to BDS the employers of about 10% of their workers (and clients of contractors that provide many more of their jobs). It seems to me like a 10% reduction in employment, in a place which already has over 30% unemployment, is not exactly a way to help. Remember , we're talking about a region and culture where the last time there was a major economic upheaval they got the Arab Spring which his still killing Syrians.

Second, there are the "soft" demands that Palestinians be paid the same as Israelis. Why not just support bombing Palestinian towns into the ground? It would achieve roughly the same results, but faster. The parallel, which occurred through aid-workers in Egypt, was many years ago, but the same dynamic holds: A large group of worker paid way above standard income in a community will drive inflation, pushing the rest of their community into poverty and destroying the local economy. Those Palestinians work in Israel, but they bring their money home, just like the aid-workers who were paid Western wages, but bought food and other goods in Egypt, driving up the prices. I understand it drove a famine in Egypt after the workers left, and a lot of people starved. (I understand some aid-organizations changed practices as a result of this, holding the bulk of workers' pay in trust until they leave the underdeveloped areas where they work.)

Third, there are the ridiculous demands that Israel leave the Palestinians alone entirely and let them govern themselves completely. Their leadership is crap, and I don't mean "U.S. Congress with single-digit approval" crap. I mean "reasonable secular people elected sharia-enforcing leaders who give North Korea a good contest for the title of Most Repressive Regime On Earth because the other guys were just that unbelievably corrupt" crap. Picture Black Americans voting for the KKK because the alternative was somehow worse to get a picture of the quality of Palestinian leadership. Even if they magically got good leaders, they STILL couldn't run their own country because they're way too politically divided. Again, I don't mean what you would call "extremely divided": I mean what you would call "alien". They give higher loyalty to their factions than to their parliament. Think about that for a second: Their "soldiers" are more committed to their parties than their civilian government and members of their judiciary are more committed to their own beliefs than some laws given to them by people who do not hold their allegiance. If a political party or faction has no independent militia, I supposed it could try for election, but its members would never live to see the vote. For an idea of how divided they are, factions are listed and described here. (The list runs from Page 10 - Page 14).
http://dspace.cigilibrary.org/jspui/bitstream/123456789/25658/1/Palestinian%20tribes.pdf?

This is why they cannot hope to run a modern constitutional democracy with rule of law. It's sad, but they're actually better-off with Israel holding their leaders in check. I'm going to make this clear: Palestinians' leaders are greater enemies to the typical Palestinian than is Israel.

Now, getting back to the point: This is a big part of why the whole movement is often seen as antisemitic. It makes so little sense as a "pro-Palestinian" civil rights-movement that if I were obsessed with seeing Palestinians die, I would join it. Aside from that, there are so much garbage being spewed by it supporters that, while I am still unready to dismiss the possibility of good-meaning extreme stupidity, others, not unreasonably, see something more malicious. (I can give you an example of what it takes to make me suspect malice rather than incompetence if you want.)
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday February 11, 2014, 11:43 pm
I should probably also point out, in case anybody is interested, that the division I mentioned above exists throughout the Arabic world. This is the main reason why they build the world's weakest armies. Forget about the technological difference. Imagine choosing between building an "army" made of hundreds of little groups that have no incentive to support each other, one where the individual soldiers in the units have no such incentive, or one where the chains of command follow tribal rather than military hierarchy and are subject to tribal politics. That's what Arabic generals have to do. Jewish militias didn't have nor need superior technology in 1948, so ignore those recent posts on Care2 about U.S. military aid.
 

Pat A. (117)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 1:25 am
Signed - thanks Abdessalam
 

Tere M. (76)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 11:27 am
Noted. Thank you for posting! Thank you Abdessalam for forwarding! ~
 
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