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IDF: How Palestinians Parents Use Their Children to Provoke IDF Soldiers at Demonstrations

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This video, filmed in Nabi Saleh this past Friday, shows Palestinians parents pressing their children to provoke IDF soldiers -- a side of the demonstrations not usually talked about, despite it being a frequent occurrence.

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Stan B (123)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 3:15 am
You cannot currently send a star to Cam because you have done so within the last week.

Thanks for posting this Cam. The Palestinians are well known for their theatrical performances. To get kids involved is nothing new. They are prepared to go to any lengths to con the world about what's really happening in this ongoing conflict.
I thought the Israeli soldiers were amazingly restrained.

monica r (41)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 4:33 am
Yeah, they also faked photos of a kid supposedly killed by Israeli soldiers. It was a staged photo.

If it's truly horrible to be Palestinian, then they should not lie or manipulate to get extra sympathy. The truth on it's own would be more compelling, so what else are the lying about?

ME Mayer,
It's not little black kids' fault they're born to a single mom on welfare, either. Nor are the issues from fetal alcohol or drug exposure, lead poisoning, etc, their fault. That said, if they choose to do gang activity and have "F%*# the Police" blaring on the car radio, while riding dirty, taunting the cops, it would be unreasonable to complain if they then get hassled by those cops.

Carola May (20)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 5:38 am
Thank you Cam for this! Don't let ME Mayer get to you. No one else with any sense of fairness and decency takes her seriously, but she IS entertaining!


AND here's a Palestinian leader of Hamas bragging about using women and children as shields for their cowardly killers to hide behind:
Fathi Hammad, political leader for Hamas, appointed Interior Minister 2009, director of al-Aqsa TV (
"For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life.'"

"Video: Hamas uses civilians as a means to achieving military goals". Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. 11 January 2009. and

Come ME Mayer let's hear you defend these terrorist, murdering cowards deliberately using children to hide behind. You should be ashamed.

Faye Swan (23)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 7:06 am

monica r (41)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 7:29 am
The corruption issue you bring up is an important one.

I heard an Arab recently was speaking out about the corruption in the Palestinian leadership. They have billions in embezzled humanitarian aid hidden in foreign bank accounts while average people there struggle to make ends meet.

It's fine I guess to feel sorry for a group of people, but when their own leadership is selling them out and getting rich at their expense, how do you fix it? Sending more aid just puts more money in those bank accounts.

Also they themselves have admitted the "crisis" was created. Having seen politicians here create a crisis to force policies none of us wanted, I absolutely realize the average Palestinian is in a tough spot, screwed over by their own. That goes on with certain groups in the US too. People are encouraged to follow a self-destructive path to further the political and financial goals of self-styled leaders. They buy the line of bull and self-sabotage, acting and voting against their own interests.

All you can do is wait for them to see it, and get pissed off at the real culprits and vote against them. If there was real leadership and not obstructionists cashing in on perpetual victimhood of their constituents, that would go a long way.

Carola May (20)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 7:34 am
Good points Monica.

Alexa R (319)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 8:51 am
The sad thing for me Stan, Cam and others is the fact that these incredible provocations are committed by parents and adults! I had to observe these types of provocations a few times, before it sunk in. Naively I thought how can any parents/adults use children in blowing up or provocating soldiers or use their own children as a shield for their soldiers?!? This video corresponds to my own personal observations of these type of happenings. Like the hearts of many IDFs, my heart goes out to these children used in this way.

It took me also quite a while to finally be able to discern fact from fiction as regards supposed atrocities committed by IDF towards children. In Israel, law, order and human rights are taken very seriously. Therefore, if any such accusations of crimes against children are taken or even just an attempt made to take them to court, I know those incidents have happened. Else they are simply unsubstantiated demonizations sold to anti-Semitic media.

Here is such a true case as opposed to the many false rumours spread by anti-Semites regards supposed actrocities (none of these rumours had ever been heard in any court, be it Israeli or international): “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s unequivocal condemnation of racism and violence and his call for a full police investigation.”

“The perpetrators of this hateful crime must be held to account,” it added.

The incident occurred last Thursday night, when a group of Arabs were assaulted by around 15 Jewish teenagers in the heart of Jerusalem while dozens of bystanders looked on. The main victim, 17-year-old Julani of East Jerusalem, nearly died from his injuries and was hospitalized in critical condition.

Police said the attack was an unprovoked, “extremely severe crime” that had been instigated only because the victims were Arabs. Eight minors suspected of being involved in the beating have been arrested.

The attack drew widespread condemnation from Israel’s leaders, including Netanyahu, President Shimon Peres, Vice Prime Moshe Ya’alon and Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat.

Netanyahu said that “In the State of Israel we aren’t willing to tolerate racism and we aren’t willing to tolerate the combination of racism and violence.”

“This is something that we cannot accept — neither as Jews nor as Israelis,” he added. “This is not our way; this is opposed to our ways; and we condemn it in word and deed. We will quickly bring to justice those responsible for this reprehensible incident.”

These youths are now in prison. This is how law, order and human rights work in Israel. We’re not perfect, but we strive towards a fair and just, free and equal society, and have mostly achieved our goal in this respect.

Jennifer Ward (40)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 10:43 am
No more excuses for violence and training children to hate over real estate. The lies that the world has been told about 'Palestine' since the days of Yassah Arafat are starting to wear very thin. Buckets of money and concessions at the UN are not helping stop the rockets and the animosity. It suits Hamas and the PA to obscure their corruption with constant turmoil and unjustified complaints. Toss religion into the mix and the problem is unsolvable.

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 11:26 am
Margaret Mayer and her propaganda have always been here...she just uses false names when she gets kicked off but the manner in which she posts is always the same!! Very transparent!!

All I have to do is look at the picture and it tells me the whole story!! Thanks Cam!! Someone with integrity no doubt!!

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 11:30 am
Thanks Yonati! A voice of reason and facts! No more truthful information than one who lives with it...experiencing what actually goes on over there can refute any claims by those who live anyplace else!! Put the blame where the blame goes!

Gillian M (218)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 12:32 pm
It is known, shown and written about time and time again of the appalling behaviour of the terrorists who use and abuse the community there. Any hatred, military occupation etc is done solely by the MUSLIM terrorists yet everyone continues to blame Israel for the terrorists behaviour. I note the absence of the anti-Semites on the articles about Hamas shooting 70 rockets into Israel over a religious festival. I notice their absence on stories such as Malala, the murder, rape and abuses on Christians world wide. They are silent on the stories of some 200,000 refugees from Egypt and the suffering of those left behind. Where are they on the stories of the abuses in Indonesia, Malasia and Northern Mali? Why is MM not condemning the attempted genocide of Sudenese Muslims against S Sudenese Christians? And the atrocities committed against animals on Eid al-Adha, such silence.

I have asked these, and similar questions before and it is a waste of time, MM will only support the abuses against others.

I think that we will wait until hell freezes over before anyone accuses a Muslim of war crimes (unless they are already dead) as I see so many committed in Gaza by Muslim terrorists against their own, such as here, but those who should be doing something, like Moon, stay silent. It is strange that those who are accused of hatred are actually the ones who stand up and object to this cruelty. The anti-Semites are silent.

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 1:59 pm
I'm not saying this was all staged, but it almost looks like the children, and not just the girl, are taking their cues from the camera people. And, if the camera was in the hands of Palestinians, i doubt it would be aired.

Christine Linley (12)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 2:59 pm
Shall we read what the Israeli Newspaper Haarez says of this picture:
Snapshot: (Palestinian) Girl, interrupted
Everything is inverted in this sad, wrenching photograph taken by AP's Majdi Mohammed on November 2.
By Tal Niv | Nov.08, 2012 | 2:15 PM | 26

Snapshot, November 2
A girl from the Tamimi family and an soldier in the village of Nabi Saleh during the weekly demonstration against the expansion of the Halamish settlement on November 2. Photo by AP
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Everything is inverted in this sad, wrenching photograph by AP’s Majdi Mohammed, taken November 2. Inverted, because it is not possible to know whether the small, brazen, bold, desperate fist, held fearlessly and on the brink of mortal threat by the daughter of the Palestinian activist Nariman Tamimi, marks the moment in which a freedom fighter is forged and steeled, or the moment in which this girl is vanquished.

Is this a trigger moment in her life, generating the self-image of a person who stands up for what she believes in, even in the face of an army? Or is it a moment of incalculable self-risk such as should not be foisted on children, and which deprives adults of their role as protectors?

Is it to her benefit to struggle like everyone else, or more than others, her bravery living up to her mother’s standards? Or is it dangerous and reckless, an attempt to twist reality, to approach the soldier and raise a fist at him? To position herself opposite this young, bespectacled soldier, whose face is freckled and blotched with red and not in attack mode, to confront him below his outstretched arm?

The girl has thick, lovely yellow hair; a toy-like truck with a yellow tarpaulin is parked, down the road; and the fallow field is November-yellow. The yellow is almost too yellow. A camera dangles from the neck of a Palestinian next to the truck, watching the event unfold. The girl wears the same top she wore on August 24, when her mother was arrested before her eyes and the soldiers split into two groups, one holding her and her cousin, the others seizing her mother. There were plenty of photographers there that day. As a soldier held her with her arms pulled behind her back, she threw her head spasmodically from side to side and forward and back in urgent despair and with piteous, infantile crying, shouting and begging for her mother; until, finally, another soldier, unnerved by the wailing, which apparently set an inner clock within him ticking, shouted, “Hey, load the mother already” - though more as a way of trying to speed things up than deliberately choosing a verb inappropriate for human beings. After the door of the Jeep in which her mother was “loaded” had closed, the girl broke loose and ran down the road and kept running, and did not stop running.

For more than three years the residents of Nabi Saleh, a West Bank village near Ramallah, have been protesting, with processions and demonstrations, against the takeover of their well and land by the Halamish settlement. For more than three years the army and the military-justice authorities have been occupied in suppressing the protest and punishing the protesters under military law. But in August, when her mother was arrested, the golden-haired girl from the Tamimi family drew media attention when she was photographed by Oren Ziv ‏(Activestills‏) as soldiers held her. The image, which was posted on the Facebook page “We are all against the extreme left,” spawned ugly responses from those who hate Arabs and who hate people. At first they thought she was not an Arab because of her blonde hair, but even when they thought she was a despicable leftist worthy only of contempt, they could see she was only a little girl. This did not stop them from urging monstrous tortures to liquidate her, and there are no reports to suggest that any of them, including women who wished her similar miseries, were arrested for making threats.

Two months later, the demonstrations are continuing - because they cannot end until there is an agreement and the settlements are evacuated - and a Palestinian photographer now captures her determined back and raised arm. As such, he focuses on the symbolic aspect of her action, which fills the space between her clenched fist and the soldier’s outstretched arm. Because she is not crying here, is not passive, a complexity arises - notably in comparison to the images of masked, stone-throwing youths who appear time and again in photographs taken by Israelis in the territories.

This is a disturbing image, because she is a girl, only a girl. It is an interesting image, morally complex, and also a beautiful one, because her head is lovely and the soldier is intriguing. Above all, it poses an ongoing question: How can it be that such a little girl stands at such close range to a soldier, and can we feel calm about it, even when it is clear that he is not hitting her? Will calm ever be an option?

And then lines leap to mind whose message had always seemed extraordinarily pertinent - lines written by Israel’s unofficial poet laureate, Yehuda Amichai, in memory of his commander in the 1948 War of Independence, who was killed in a Gazan village - but whose message now, in the case of the girl from the Tamimi family, seems to be nullified. Will it ever be possible to read them to her and to the soldier? Do not forget, Amichai wrote ‏(in the translation by Barbara and Benjamin Harshav‏), “Even a fist was once an open palm with fingers.”


Kit B (276)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 3:43 pm

That ME, she is a tricky one. Posting all that fact and no opinion, got to watch those people that allow history and reality to take precedence over mythology and opinion. Dangerous people those.

I must tell all the black women in my neighborhood, that they must quite their jobs and immediately get on welfare, can't have all the nasty stereo-typing being wasted.

As for this thread? A waste of time.

Fred H (31)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 3:44 pm
This video demonstrates two things: (1) Palestinian parents willingly expose their children to dangerous situations. In fact, if an American parent did that, Child Protective Services would probably consider it abuse and remove the children. And, (2) Those anti-Semites (um, I mean anti-Zionists) who say Israel is as bad as the Nazis are idiots. Can you imagine what would have happened to a Jewish child confronting a Nazi soldier like this?

Alexa R (319)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 4:42 pm
Christine, it is as Golda Meir said: "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

Peace is what we desire with all our hearts and we Israelis do all we can, individually, nationally and internationally to achieve this.

Alexa R (319)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 4:45 pm
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Beth S (330)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 4:55 pm
There are something like 30 cameras in this staged event, and the same apply for every other event in this area. in a month there are thousands of cameras trying to catch the IDF soldiers doing something which looks wrong, after this there are the editors and cut and paste artist, and with all of the effort, they hardly have 10 videos a year to show.

Gillian M (218)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 5:00 pm
Fred, I have some wonderful pictures of a kindergarden play with kids of 3 & 4 years old being terrorists and pretending to kill an Israeli soldiers. I also had pictures of a mass funeral where Jesus would have been jealous, some 20 people rose from the dead. Pictures of dozens of dead children laying outside a school allegedly bombed by Israelis and many of the same children in a different position after another alleged attack.

I'm sure everyone has seen the summer schools run by Hamas for 8/9 year olds in training them to use weapons. These are war crimes but I doubt that anyone will ever bring charges against any Muslim, perish the thought!!

In other situations the same womnr was incredibly unlucky, she stood outside about 5 houses claiming that she had lost her home during an attack........

Patricia Martin (19)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 5:01 pm
It is allegedly a girl, along with others, protesting her brother being arrested in Nabi Saleh last Friday, presumably for throwing stones.

Notice how the girl as well as the adult Arabs who are videoing her have absolutely no fear that the Zionist soldiers will hurt them. She even shoves a soldier at one point without thinking that he might retaliate. Interesting that the provocation reveals the Palestinians have no fear of the IDF soldiers.

Would these same children provoke the PA in such a manner without having their bones broken or be shot?

Israellycool notes, this same girl, wearing the same shirt, was seen doing pretty much the same thing a few months ago:

An astonishing coincidence --! The very same girl, after becoming a poster child for Israeli brutality, is now back and trying as hard as she can to provoke soldiers again while a half dozen people are conveniently around to videotape her screams!

Alexa R (319)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 5:37 pm
Christine, it is as Golda Meir said: "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us."

Alexa R (319)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 5:39 pm
We Israelis desire peace with all our hearts and we do all we can individually, nationally and internationally.

Marie W (67)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 5:41 pm
And considering the Palestine views on women, using a girl, shows real media training.

Alexa R (319)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 5:41 pm
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Gloria H (88)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 5:51 pm
Propaganda. If it happened here in the land of the free, if it was NYPD and protesters, there would be arrests and batons cracking skulls. If you video tape police abuse, your camera is taken away. The IDF needs to train our own police force...sarcasm.

Cam V (417)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 6:04 pm
I stand with Israel Margaret AND AM VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT CANADA DOES AS WELL!!! Maybe if the terrorists stopped using the Palestinians as pawns there would have been peace there many years ago.

Far from ashamed. I am very proud to say that I and MY COUNTRY stands with Israel.

Cam V (417)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 6:06 pm
BTW what I find LOW is people using their children this way. If someone in Canada did that their children would be taken away from them because what they are doing is putting them in danger. WHAT KIND OF PARENTS DO THAT????

. (7)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 6:39 pm
You ARE right, Cam. It's a nice change from the one-sided, twisted, Israel-can-do-nothing-good, poor-Palestinians-can-do-no-wrong. Thanks, keep up the good posts!

Cam V (417)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 7:33 pm
Would YOU do this with your children Margaret and again .... YOU DO THIS IN CANADA WE TAKE YOUR CHILDREN FROM YOU. Would YOU go to Palestine with your kids and get them to do this? WOULD YOU???

patrica and edw jones (190)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 11:36 pm
Good post Cam - Palestinian society is a society blanched of honesty- it claws at any excuse to vent at any perceived grievances. It is like a death wish has seized Palestinian Muslims since they are willing to sacrifice their children to martyrdom. These children are fed on hate and have no hope for a normal upbringing. The whole moral fibre of the Muslim society has collapsed in on itself - and it is the children - the future - who are paying an exhorbitant price.. The Palestinians will never change until they change what is in themselves.

Stan B (123)
Saturday November 10, 2012, 11:58 pm
Cam. Your views are like a breath of fresh air. It's good to know that so many Canadians support Israel despite the odd nut-case.

monica r (41)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 12:56 am
I work on average 12 hour days educating at-risk African-American children. Every day I stare generational poverty, the effects of drug abuse, and other environmental factors in the face. Stating that these issues exist is hardly racist. Come see my classroom sometime. We maintain open dialog on racial topics. Demonizing those who speak about the challenges faced by some demographic groups only leads to misunderstanding and prejudice. Your crack about telling your black friends to quit their jobs and go on welfare is asinine. There ARE blacks trapped in a welfare situation and part of my job is getting them out of it, or more correctly, helping them get themselves out of it. Your denial won't help any of them.

How many black kids have YOU found jobs for? How many have you written reference letters for? How many have you sat down with to guide them through applications and creating resumes? How many times have you conferred with a kid's parole officer to report on their progress? How many times has someone you know lost a family member in a drive-by? How many times have you written to a judge explaining why your student should receive a sentence that lets them still attend school? How many times have you spent your personal time helping them with their homework because they just don't have someone at home who can?

Maybe for you those things are "stereotypes." For me they are a fact of life for young people I care about very dearly.

I'd like to tell you to stick your sarcasm where the sun don't shine, but I'm too polite to do that. I'm thinking it, though.

Stan B (123)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 12:59 am
You cannot currently send a star to monica because you have done so within the last week.

Christine Linley (12)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 3:30 am
In just over one year of unarmed demonstrations in Nabi Saleh, a small Palestinian community in the West Bank, 155 of the village’s 500 residents were wounded (about 60 of them children); 35 homes were damaged and dozens of the village’s people were detained. Yet even after the protest’s leader was put behind bars by the army, the struggle for the Nabi Saleh’s land continues

Gillian M (218)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 4:25 am
Monica, I have always admired your hard work and choices to be with those that needed teachers/mentors of quality rather than those who will start off as advantaged.

My grandparents generation were those that wanted the best for their children and worked all hours of the day and night to provide it even in areas of deprivation. These were the lucky ones and most got out. Now Muslims come in and force changes that would not have been acceptable at that time.

I have a vague idea of how much support and help that you must be to these students (who are lucky to have you) and how much hard workyou put in. I used to go into the local infant and junior school as a volunteer to work with children with learning issues. It could be a learning disability or not being able to speak English and they came from many backgrounds including Italy, Greek or Turkish Cyprus, India, Uganda, Pakistan and Turkey. They all wanted to learn so desperately.

The one that criticizes has no idea of what being a decent person is. She is a receptionist/typist who pretended that she was part of the faculty and, I doubt, is a mother so has no understanding. It is always easier to launch blame at everyone else than to face the reality of the truth which is that there are those that genuinely care and do and those, like her, who want to blame others for her own inadequacies.

Note that she has not responded to my questions of why it is acceptable fo Muslims to rape/abuse/murder non-Muslim children (& in some Muslim children) but not hers. Pointing out that this is a barbaric practice regardless of the ethnic origin of the children has kept her quiet. It is pointless to debate with her as, with all other anti-Semites, she ignores the truth and changes the subject.

In the meantime we should continue to point out the suffering of those in Gaza which is actually caused by illegal terrorist organisations, in this case Hamas although in Judea/Samaria it is Hezbollah. The children are weapons used against the IDF as they do not want to hurt them. A friend of mine died rather than shoot at a terrorist because he was holding a Palestinian girl in front of him. A pregnant Palestinian woman, who had had all of her babies in an Israeli hospital, went into the maternity unit with a bomb strapped to herself. I have yet to hear condemnation of such an attack on new born babies from people such as the non-mother or any other anti-Semite. I would also add that Hamas often refuses medicine into Gaza or allows people out for essential medical treatment then blames Israel. People who want to believe the lies then launch it back as propaganda. I am not saying that every Israeli is perfect, but the vast majority of them are more than decent people who do what is right. I expect that those forced into being hostages of the Muslim terrorist organisations are also genuine and decent people who hate what is happening to them and to Israelis, but I doubt that we will ever hear of it.


Gillian M (218)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 4:27 am
MM, so it is not acceptable for Israelis to protect themselves and their own but OK for terrorists to do so? My, even by your double standards that really is over the top!

Gillian M (218)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 4:30 am
And why should Monica take up different work when she is out there making a difference to so many? One can only assume that you do not want these children to benefit from her hard work and caring and to be on welfare so that you can make stupid assine comments about prejudice. The only prejudice that we ever see comes from you and your band of anti-Semites.


Josefina Mata (0)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 7:19 am
I'm starting to get tired of Care2.

Alexa R (319)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 9:29 am
ME Mayer (0)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 9:06 am
"Gillian - you can post pages of rocket attacks from Gaza to Israel, yet have you ever seriously questioned why rockets are being fired from Gaza to Israel?"

I have considered this question, researched it in depth for years and here in the very words of Hamas and its Charter is the answer:

[From Article 13] “… Peace initiatives, so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. For renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion….”

[From Article 32] “… Zionist scheming has been laid out in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and their present conduct is the best proof of what is said there. Leaving the circle of conflict with Israel is a major act of treason and it will bring curse on its perpetrators….”

[From Article35] “… The current Zionist invasion had been preceded by a Crusader invasion from the West; and another one, the Tatars, from the East. And exactly as the Muslims had faced those invasions and planned their removal and defeat, they are able to face the Zionist invasion and defeat it….”

If is crystal clear that for the Gazian authorities, even a single Jew in Israel is against their religion according to them. Jews simply living and breathing air in Israel provokes rockets, suicide bombings and violence from Hamas. And Hamas will not stop as their charter clearly states until every breathing Jew in Israel had been defeated.

Alexa R (319)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 9:48 am
And here in the very words of the Arabs (Palestinians) themselves is the answer to their wishes as regards citizenship for themselves and their descendants:

The preferences of East Jerusalem Arabs for citizenship

On 12 January 2011, Pechter Middle East Polls, in conjunction with the Council on Foreign Relations, published ‘The Palestinians of East Jerusalem: What Do They Really Want?’. The report can be accessed via the Pechter Polls website at

The survey was carried out by the independent, US-based polling company the Pechter Middle East Polls, in conjunction with the Council on Foreign Relations. These organisations are authoritative and non-partisan, and they used meticulous polling methods of the highest professional quality and integrity. A Palestinian polling company conducted the field research.

The key finding of the report is that when East Jerusalem Arabs were asked if they preferred to become a citizen of Palestine, with all of the rights and privileges of other citizens of Palestine, or a citizen of Israel, with all of the rights and privileges of other citizens of Israel, 30% chose Palestinian citizenship. 35% chose Israeli citizenship and 35% declined to answer or said that they did not know.

Furthermore, when asked if they would move to a different home inside Israel, if their Jerusalem neighbourhood became a part of Palestine, 40% said they were likely to move to Israel. 27% said that they were likely to move to Palestine if their neighbourhood became part of Israel.

More and more the people of West Bank and Gaza vote for independents and not for PA/Hamas ..

Fatah loses out in West Bank elections; thousands of Jerusalem Arabs want to be Israeli citizens and Palestinians would rather spend their money (and earn it) on Israel's side of the security barrier.

The Palestinians had it with their corrupt, violent, blood-thirsty leaders ..

Alexa R (319)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 9:50 am
We may well see the practical breakup of the Palestinian Authority into local councils that defy edicts from Fatah Central in Ramallah
Cartoon by Cox and Forkhum (
Nick Gray
On 2 November 2012

Fatah loses out in West Bank elections; thousands of Jerusalem Arabs want to be Israeli citizens and Palestinians would rather spend their money (and earn it) on Israel's side of the security barrier.

Are we seeing the collapse of the Palestinian Authority (PA) along with the two-state solution it was supposed to be promoting?

On October 20th, the PA held its first major round of elections since 2006 when Hamas came out on top in a surprise result.

In a shock to the restrictive policies of Fatah, a number of candidates rebelled and stood in opposition to their old party. Unfortunately for Fatah, many of them won as well.

There were local municipal elections in 93 areas of the PA and voters were faced with a mix of candidates from Fatah, Fatah rebels and various left-wing parties (no Hamas candidates, since Hamas boycotted the elections).

As reported on BBC News, Fatah only won in around 40% of the municipalities and four major towns and cities are now run by non-Fatah mayors and councils (including Ramallah, seat of PA government). This is a massive vote of no confidence in the corruption-ridden and oppressive PA regime - and there will be another round of elections in the remaining 82 municipal areas currently under Fatah control. Potentially, by Christmas, Fatah could find themselves with hardly anyone in the many towns and villages of the West Bank to govern.

Rubbing salt in the wound of chaotic election results came the news, released by Fatah's official with the "Jerusalem Portfolio", that more than 10,000 Jerusalem Arabs had been granted Israeli citizenship.

Since Jerusalem is being claimed by the PA for the capital of a Palestinian state, there may not be too many Palestinians left there to be its citizens. This exodus from PA control, against warnings and threats from both Fatah and Hamas, started in 1993 with the Oslo Accords as Jerusalem's Arab inhabitants realised what they would lose if the city came under Palestinian government.

Gone would be the top quality health care, access to good jobs and a standard of living unequalled in all the surrounding nations. Add to this the benefits of being part of a democracy and free access through Ben Gurion airport to the rest of the world and you can well understand the eagerness of many Palestinians to get the dark blue passport of Israeli citizenship. The applications have increased in recent years with fears of losing Israeli residence and coming back under PA control.

Just a week before the municipal elections and with unemployment in the PA area running at 17%, Israel increased the number of work permits for Palestinians by 10,000 to 40,000. That's official permits - it's believed that up to another 60,000 Palestinians are working in Israel illegally. And many Palestinians work in the "illegal" Israeli settlements in the West Bank as well; an arrangement forbidden by the PA but profitable for both Palestinian workers and settlement employers (but that's a whole other blog post by itself).

There are other indications of the impending collapse of the PA, adding to the futility of Mahmoud Abbas' attempts to move towards a UN-recognised state. For one, the PA is bankrupt. Its Arab donors are letting it down and not paying up. Western donor nations are being pushed to increase donations, yet the PA still pours money into paying imprisoned terrorists salaries instead of its own officials and corruption is as rife as ever. Donors to the PA are pouring their dollars into a big black hole.

After years of rampant corruption, violent gagging of independent Palestinian media outlets and only a chaotic appearance of democracy, the "old guard" PA has lost all credibility on the Palestinian street. This was clearly indicated by the rebellion of so many Fatah candidates in the municipal elections, standing (and winning) as independents against their own political leaders.

Abbas may go back to the UN again this year to apply for an upgrade to his current observer status. But since he has little political credit among his own people, no money to boost his economy and not even agreed borders for his dream state, an independent Palestine remains just that - a dream.

Watch the remaining municipal elections in November carefully. We may well see the practical breakup of the PA regime into semi-autonomous local councils defying edicts from Fatah Central in Ramallah. This could prove beneficial to local citizens as their towns decide their own economic relations with Israel, but fatal to the overall aims of Fatah and the PLO and a total waste of nearly twenty years of "two state" diplomacy.

Gillian M (218)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 9:56 am
MM your stupidity and is becoming is becoming tiresom.

This is why Hamas is firing rockets into Israel, it is because they want to destroy it. This is the charter

"Ye are the best nation that hath been raised up unto mankind: ye command that which is just, and ye forbid that which is unjust, and ye believe in Allah. And if they who have received the scriptures had believed, it had surely been the better for them: there are believers among them, but the greater part of them are transgressors. They shall not hurt you, unless with a slight hurt; and if they fight against you, they shall turn their backs to you, and they shall not be helped. They are smitten with vileness wheresoever they are found; unless they obtain security by entering into a treaty with Allah, and a treaty with men; and they draw on themselves indignation from Allah, and they are afflicted with poverty. This they suffer, because they disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew the prophets unjustly; this, because they were rebellious, and transgressed." (Al-Imran - verses 109-111).

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).


Gillian M (218)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 10:06 am
Am still waiting for your explanation as to why you accept that Muslims can abuse/murder/rape non-Muslim as well as Muslim children around the world and why not yours. Why should these families suffer their little girls being put into a brothel? Why should they mourn children taken as slaves knowing that they will never know what happens to them but aware that murder and rape (regardless of sex) is what will happen? The 200 million slaves, why have you never spoken out against their abuses?

Everytime you ignore their suffering all you show is your lack of compassion and prove that you are not a mother or even a decent person.

You have also ignored the evidence of abuses heaped on those in Gaza by their own and continue to blame Israel.

Why are you so racist that you prefer people to suffer than accept the truth?

Answer the questions.

Gillian M (218)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 12:32 pm
should be 20 million not 200!

Gillian M (218)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 12:56 pm
Destroy-Israel Conference Comes to Illinois

On November 22-25, activists with links to the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas will come together at the Oak Brook Hills Marriott Resort in Illinois for American Muslims for Palestine’s (AMP) Conference for Palestine in the U.S.: A Movement United. The event also highlights the Islamists’ success in forging interfaith partnerships with Reverend Donald Wagner of Evangelicals for Middle East Understanding as one of the speakers.

American Muslims for Palestine isn’t just about Palestinian statehood. It’s about the elimination of Israel. Michael Rubin points out that “Its home page depicts the conference logo—a map of Palestine made from birds showing the Palestinian state encompassing all of Israel. So much for the two-state solution.”

AMP conferences promote Islamist thought. In 2004, its chairman, Hatem Bazian, praised the “uprising in Iraq” (which was against U.S. soldiers) and the “intifada in Palestine” and said an American intifada is needed to “change fundamentally the political dynamics here.” He boasted, “They’re gonna say some Palestinian [is] being too radical – well, you haven’t seen radicalism yet.”

In June, Bazian described the U.S. as a racist country that tries to get “darker people [to] fight our war.” He teaches that the “military-industrial complex” is promoting “Islamophobia” and is persecuting Muslim leadership in the U.S. in order to build support for wars against Muslims overseas.

AMP board member Osama Abu Irshaid, another speaker at the conference, describes the firing of rockets into Israel by Hamas as a form of “legitimate resistance.” He used to be the editor of an Arabic publication made by the now-defunct Islamic Association for Palestine, which the American Muslim Brotherhood’s internal documents identify as having been one of its fronts set up to support Hamas.

Another board member is Salah Sarsour. His brother was arrested by Israel in 1998 and informed his interrogators that Salah was financing Hamas through the Islamic Association for Palestine and the Holy Land Foundation. The latter was shut down by the U.S. government and five of its officials were convicting of funding terrorism. He even said that Sarsour transferred funds to a Hamas military commander.

The conference, which has Turkish Airlines as a sponsor, features some of the top Brotherhood-linked speakers.

Nihad Awad is the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). The federal government named CAIR as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land trial, listing it among “individuals/entities who are and/or were members of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee.” Awad declared his support for Hamas in 1994. In 2004, he refused to condemn Hamas and Hezbollah, instead choosing to call them “liberation movements.”

Safaa Zarzour is the Secretary-General of the Islamic Society of North America. Like CAIR, it was designated an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land trial and was listed by the government as a Muslim Brotherhood entity. FBI investigators identified ISNA as a Brotherhood front as far back as 1987. A 1991 American Muslim Brotherhood document also lists it as one of “our organizations and the organizations of our friends.”

Jamal Badawi is listed in an American Muslim Brotherhood directory from 1992 and is a listed unindicted co-conspirator for his fundraising on behalf of the Holy Land Foundation. He is a founder of the Muslim American Society, a Brotherhood front. In 1999, he justified suicide bombings, saying, “So when an act of heroism like that is required to save others, it is self-sacrifice, you cannot really call it suicide.” In February 2009, he criticized the West for describing “martyrs” from the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip as terrorists. In March 2010, he said Islam justifies the “combative jihad” of Palestinians.

Jamal Said is the imam of the Mosque Foundation. He was also designated an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land trial and is listed as a member of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee. In 2000, he asked attendees at an Islamic Association for Palestine event to “pay for the family of a martyr.” In 2009, he said, “We need to raise our children to know the martyrs of Gaza.”

Amin al-Ali is the imam of the Islamic Community Center of Illinois. Its website promotes books by Hassan al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood; Sheikh Yousef al-Qaradawi, a powerful pro-Hamas Brotherhood cleric; and Abul Ala Maududi, the founder of Jamaat-e-Islami. Tellingly, these books are listed under the section of suggested texts about “Islamic movement and training.”

Othman Atta is the executive director of the Islamic Society of Milwaukee. He criticizes the labeling of Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist groups and an FBI memo from November 2001 states that some members of his mosque were fundraising for the Holy Land Foundation. He condemns Palestinian attacks on “innocent civilians” but says “it’s within the right of an occupied people to resist their occupiers.”

Shaker Elsayed is the imam of Dar al-Hijrah, a mosque with a long history of extremism. In 2004, he said that the teachings of Hassan al-Banna, the founder of the Brotherhood, are the “closest reflection of how Islam should be in this life.” In 2002, he said that suicide bombers are “unfairly named” and that jihad requires Muslims to fight “with every tool that they can get in their hand.” A 2002 Customs and Border Patrol document said the mosque is “operating as a front for Hamas operatives in the U.S.”

Muslims aren’t the only ones that AMP seeks to influence. Reverend Donald Wagner of Evangelicals for Middle East Understanding will be speaking. On October 13, AMP took part in an event called “Jews in Solidarity with Palestinians.” The 2010 conference featured Archbishop Atallah Hanna of the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem, who blasted the “racist Occupation” and praised Palestinians held in Israeli prisons “because they resisted, because they struggled, because they waged jihad…”

On November 22-25, the Prairie State will be home to an event designed to serve the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas agenda. And it will be done with the help of an evangelical activist and sponsors like Turkish Airlines contributing as much as $15,000.

This is what the Brotherhood was talking about when its documents called for “sabotaging” the West by “their hands and the hands of the believers.”

Barbara W (342)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 2:36 pm
My Jesus said "You without sin cast the first stone" I rest my case.

Kit, Margaret, you ladies are a breath of fresh air that's why the stale air here, which keeps slapping the same ignorance on the back, cannot abide your reasoning.,

You ladies are way above this self-serving game.. May many blessing come your way for your courage and understanding hearts.

As Kit said: As for this thread? A waste of time. .

Helle H (21)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 2:56 pm
I don't care if this is staged or not. There's a war going on. People are getting hurt and that infect the kids as well. Israel is a pretty new state, the land was given to them, and they still want more. Would the americans give up their land to the indians who really owned that country?

Gillian M (218)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 3:07 pm
I see that you are totally unable to deny your racist statements.

You have now clearly stated that you believe that it is acceptable for Muslims to use, abuse, torture, rape & kill non-Muslims and Muslims. You have no sympathy or understanding of some 20 million slaves. You will not accept the suffering of these people. Why are your non-existent children so much more important than anyone else's? Answer, because you really do not care!


Alexa R (319)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 3:36 pm
ME Mayer (0)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 2:19 pm "There was a conflict, dear Alexandra, before there was a Hamas."

Dear ME, there was a conflict before Israel was reinstated in 1948-1967. Read history.

Though it is important to take history into account, it is even more vital to take the present and the people living here today into account. The past is only useful if it is used to ensure a better future for all of us here. If you read the rest of my posts on this thread, you might have realised this ...

Alexa R (319)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 4:03 pm
Helle H, you're misled to belief that Israel wants more land. Since 1948/1967 Israel has continuously given up land in the hope of negotiating peace.

We've only a smidgen of the original British Mandate left and have done our best to make our little peace of the desert bloom - we've no intention of "ruling the world" - just happily making the best with what we have.

A tiny snippet of history: In September 1993, leaders of Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) signed the Oslo Accords. The agreement called for Palestinian administration of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank town of Jericho, which was implemented in May 1994.

Israeli forces withdrew from Gaza, leaving a new Palestinian National Authority (PNA) to administer and police the city. The PNA, led by Yasser Arafat, chose Gaza as its first provincial headquarters. The newly established Palestinian National Council held its inaugural session in Gaza in March 1996.

In 2005, Israel withdrew its troops from the Gaza Strip and removed the thousands of Israelis who had settled in the territory.

See Israel's unilateral disengagement plan of 2004. Since the Israeli withdrawal, Hamas has been engaged in a sometimes violent power struggle with its rival Palestinian organization Fatah.

Israel willingly gave up these territories in the hope to negotiate peace. (Also other territories were given up to Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, etc)


Cam V (417)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 5:50 pm
They never stole anything Margaret. NEVER so that is a lie.

Alexa R (319)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 6:11 pm
It is more than believable ME Mayer, it is actually a well-known and proveable fact-- that Jews, uninterruptedly lived in the land of Israel for centuries and centuries.. over 3000 years of Jews living in the land of Israel with many Jewish kings. The land of Israel has never been, over these 3000 years without a Jewish presence. It is only kings and governments that got removed and reinstated over this time period of 3000 years.

These are well-known and proveable historical facts... thus much more than simply believable.


Ira Herson (13)
Monday November 12, 2012, 4:56 am
The article is about a girl being used as a media tool. It is an indefensible act of child abuse.

Whether the Palestinians are mistreated or not is not the question. Is the child being needlessly placed in danger with the hope of her being injured by an IDF soldier. Yes she is.

That is a wrong thing to do. I would never use my children in such a manner and I condemn anyone who would. I would also condemn anyone that would condone such actions. Shame on anyone one that would support this kind of activity for any reason.

I shudder to think what would have happened to a young girl in Pakistan that tried to protest against people there. Oh yes that's right she would be shot in the head.

Barbara DeFratis (23)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:28 am

Alexa R (319)
Monday November 12, 2012, 9:27 am
Barbara, Arabs are the descendants of Abraham, thus the half-brothers of Jews. Why can they not, according to you, be caucasian?


Barbara DeFratis (23)
Monday November 12, 2012, 12:00 pm
Personally, I am finding it a bit too coincidental that these are the first that I have seen with such light skin and with no head scarf on, for a lack of a better word. After all, only us Caucasian/ African-Americans with enough Caucasian Ancestry have naturally Blond hair.

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 11:36 am
Barbara, you won't be able to detect differences between Jews and Arabs in Israel.

Arab PR is much, much better than Israeli, because Israel tries to makes peace and does not expose its "peace partners" for whom they really are.

Cam V (417)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 12:24 pm
The radical Muslim sect is the loudest and they have been very good at promoting their propaganda for publicity. I find it very sad that people fall for this crap. That is what it is. Crap.
That mother should lose those kids - period ..... hate, like racism is something that is taught from birth and it is time for it to stop.
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