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Obama Won't Fight For Gay Marriage His Second Term

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Didn't take long for him to throw you under the bus now did it? GAY MARRIAGE HAS TO BE SOMETHING PASSED ON A FEDERAL LEVEL ..... NOT A STATE LEVEL .... SEE MORE BELOW.

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Cam V (417)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 5:00 pm
Barack Obama isn’t exactly famous for his loyalty; he has a history of jettisoning people once they’ve outlived their usefulness to him. This time, it’s the gay community.

On Friday, Obama told an MTV audience that he would not fight for gay marriage his second term, intoning that “it would be up to future generations of Americans to implement meaningful reform.”

Here’s the kicker; realizing that some states are now endorsing gay marriage, Obama suddenly became a champion of states’ rights, asserting, “For us to try to legislate federally into this area is probably the wrong way to go.”

When the states endorse Obama’s positions, he’s a states’ rights guy. When they don’t, he runs roughshod over them with the federal government.

Obama continued on Friday:

First of all, I've been very clear about my belief that same-sex couples have to be treated before the eyes of the law the same way as heterosexual couples. I think that's the right thing to do. It's based on my personal experience, seeing loving couples who are committed to each other, raising kids and are just outstanding people. And I was supportive of civil unions, but they taught me, if you're using different words, if you're somehow singling them out, they don't feel true equality.

Obama says he’s been very clear? About as clear as mud. In May he raked in huge amounts of funding from the gay community and their supporters in May when he endorsed gay marriage. But before that time he had been a veritable ping-pong ball on the issue, vacillating wildly to reach whichever position was politically advantageous at the time. In 1996, as a state senator in Illinois he supported gay marriage. Yet in 2004, when he ran for the United States Senate, he was against it, saying:

“What I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman … What I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it’s not simply the two persons who are meeting.”

Then when he ran for president in 2008, he took the middle road, supporting civil unions:

"My feelings about this are constantly evolving. I struggle with this. At this point, what I’ve said is, is that my baseline is a strong civil union that provides them the protections and the legal rights that married couples have.”

That statement came two months after he told liberal bloggers that he was "unwilling to sign on to same-sex marriage."

The gay community won’t leave Obama over his sudden abandonment of championing their agenda at the federal level. But the absolute fickleness of this man and the insidious way he changes his positions in order to suit his ruthless pursuit of power should be frightening to any prospective supporters.

Cam V (417)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 5:03 pm
If equal rights were ever to be given to the gay community across America it was via this President who promised many things. It makes no sense to me how it can be legal in some states yet not recognized in others. Civil law across America should be a FEDERAL concern as it is here in Canada because civil marriage is a Federal concern is it not?

In Canada I am very proud to say that Gay Marriage is legal. Gay civil marriage. It was left up to each religious group to decide this issue for themselves via separation of church and state. Why is it not the same way in America and why doesn't Obama actually do some work for a change?

Jason S (50)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 6:42 pm
good posting, thanks

Jae A (316)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 7:03 pm
Oh my gosh...and you think Romney.. a Mormon priest would support it on a any level..state or Federal...? Man you are delusional in my gay,married to an ex-communicated Mormon ..aka..due to his being gay, opinion.

We will get there sooner or later as a nation and not just state by state Cam...regardless of the Teabagger Klan and religious right extremist anti-gay attitudes being what they are in the U.S.. Obama has said let the states go first. It's pretty obvious that when there are enough it will go Federal..So... if not during his administration then under the next Dem./Green/Justice Party one it will become legal on all levels.

Wow...I almost thought for a moment that you were taking the GOP's top bosses advice ...that they are giving the rightwing in the be a bit more Lesbian/Gay/Women/Minority/poor friendly ..for real.. and not that reversal Karl Rove tactic and B.S. or your guy isn't doing enough for whatever group kind of thing
..but then I remember that.... 'out-lived their usefulness'...that you mention in your comment..which is what the teabaggers and other rightwing extremist have become within the Republican Party ...thus that 'Karl Rove Playbook' reversal clause in it, as I read .....I guess you really haven't gotten that 'more friendly ' thing in the catagories I've to me you are still trying to hang on to that Karl Rove playbook of tactics after all.

Oh well, at least ya reminded me again ...that ...Romney Lost the election...

Every Body Dance Now !
FYI : You don't even have to be gay guy or a lesbian to do so,regardless of what State in the U.S. you live in.... !

Cam V (417)
Sunday November 11, 2012, 7:05 pm
Have something against gays do you Jae?

Gloria picchetti (304)
Monday November 12, 2012, 5:20 am
Right now my gay friends only care about their jobs.

Sascha Harper (303)
Monday November 12, 2012, 7:02 am
(there should be an UN-noted button here) No Cam, Jae has nothing against gays (as you very well know), neither do I but we *do* have something against Canadians who are só vocal about being anti-Obama and are stubbornly keeping on posting garbage-articles on C2NN it's just not fun anymore, yet continue to wave a -partial- American flag in their avatar [I know I'm sticking my nose in business that doesn't concern me but I just couldn't keep quiet]

Arielle S (313)
Monday November 12, 2012, 7:24 am
Dear Cam - putting you on notice that the election is over - you lost. I am weary to the bone of your negative, critical postings and so if I pay any attention at all, it will be to post things like this:

Why You Lost

by Rob Ellsworth

I'm seeing Americans post photos of our Flag hung upside down because the President won reelection. They're defending this action as a "Naval sign of distress". Let me tell you something: you are not on a battleship, you are a manager at McDonalds in Follansbee, WV, and you are in fact, a lunatic.

I've avoided "spiking the football" over a great night for the President and for common sense in the Senate - Richard Murdock and Todd Akin deserved more than a loss. But I've held off, because I respect, am friends with, and on certain issues agree with, many patriotic Republicans who work hard to make this country a better place and simply disagreed with who should be Commander in Chief. That's fair and healthy.

And, I also didn't spike the football because I've lost elections before and I know how terrible it feels.

It's called maturity and not enough people in either party have it.

The following jaw punch is not directed at common sense Republicans, nor does it condone radicals on the Left. It is directed at the right wing fanatics who put party before country, conspiracy before reality, and ideology before science and intellect.

To Tea Party Patriots and hardcore Religious Engineers:

Republicans lost because their party leadership and most candidates feared you, listened to you, and looked the other way on important issues as you picked the dumbest, craziest nominees in key primaries (Murdock and Akin), or converted otherwise sensible, experienced candidates to Crazy Town (Romney).

There's nothing wrong with wanting limited government. I do. There's nothing wrong with believing in God, the Golden Rule, or wanting to reduce abortions. I do, too. But you've taken it too damn far and scare the shit out of people you could otherwise persuade.

Yes, the message and messenger matter (you're failing at both, BTW), but no Madison Avenue P.R. firm, K Street lobbying firm, Fox News "analyst", or local chapter of "Freedom Works" can sell the flaming dung you're slinging.

Smart people can lose. But smart people always learn.

You didn't lose because you "weren't conservative enough" or because the country has become full of lazy "takers" who don't want to earn a living or just want America to "turn in to Europe".

You didn't lose because of Hurricane Sandy or because Chris Christie hugged the President on TV - they were both doing their jobs.

You didn't lose because of a liberal media, liberal college campuses, liberal polls that were "weighted to Democrats" (mostly because they were accurate), or because of "election fraud"... actually, that probably benefited you this time.

No. You lost because your policies, tone, conspiracies, rigid inflexibility and irrational rhetoric helped align enough moderates, swing voters, and minority groups whom otherwise could be persuaded by Republicans, to align with Democrats and a beatable incumbent.

It's not that you didn't get your message out, it's that we all actually heard it and threw up a little in our mouths.

There isn't a mandate for Democrats in this election. Liberalism wasn't rewarded in this election. However, calm pragmatism, compassion, working together, compromise and sincerity were rewarded. People may not have agreed with President Obama, but more felt he was sincere and that he understood their daily problems, fears, and dreams. If you don't trust what the polls say, take a look at who is sworn in on January 20th. I thought you'd at least believe in Math when it came to counting to 270.

Sincerity is the only thing in politics you can't fake. You can't teach it. No matter how shiny a candidate's bio is, how smooth he is, or how perfect the gray hairs rest on his temples --- any average Joe on the street can spot a bullshitter.

Mitt is a generous and good man, but he didn't know who he was or "needed" to be at any given time in that campaign. That's largely his fault for lacking core convictions or personal toughness (Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush possessed both traits - that's why they won).

But you, the right wing base of the party, who drove so many of us moderate republicans out the door years ago, were the main catalyst. Your inability to reason, compromise, or let new facts and evidence challenge your predetermined outcomes led millions of moderates to no longer be able to stand on stage with you.

Frankly, you're embarrassing - more so than a crazy family member at dinner, or having your mom drop you off at a high school dance.

You say stupid shit and look stupid saying it.

You pass amendments to ban flag burning and then hang it upside down and post it on Facebook when you lose.

You preach limited government in the economy when Democrats are in charge and then look the other way when you're in charge.

You want a government small enough to stay out of corporations and banks but big enough for bedrooms and hospital respirators (see Schiavo, Terri).

There's a hatred inside of you that burns in a way that scares normal people.

You made unlikely allies in large corporations who are more interested in tax breaks and loopholes even if the government has to cut your Medicare and Social Security or cut education to a point where states and local governments have no financial choice but to educate your children in portable trailer classrooms with 35 other students.

Would these corporations do this just to help pad their quarterly earnings reports with certain tax and regulatory policies? You bet your sweet ass they do. And you better believe they're happy to have you make the "freedom" argument as "concerned citizen patriots" on their behalf.

Yet, after those corporations spent billions on TV adds and herded you like sheep over the last half decade to discredit Barack Obama for everything from being a "Godless communist" --- to his "being born in Kenya and hatching a secret plot to take down America" --- to Obamacare's "death panels and job killing regulations" -

YOU still lost.

After having a Senate Republican Leader state that his party's top priority in Congress was to make "Obama a one term President" and a House of Representatives that blocked everything he tried to do and then had the brass to criticize him for "not getting anything done" -

YOU still lost.

After attacking gay people who want equal protection under the law (BTW, I'm referring to the 14th amendment to the constitution, I know you forget most of the amendments after the 2nd one) -

YOU still lost.

After attacking the Hispanic community who's tired of being spoken "at" like criminals, attacking low income women who rely on Planned Parenthood for services of which 98% have nothing to do with abortion, and attacking relatively trivial things like PBS that children and adults enjoy as "1" damn television channel that doesn't include Honey Boo Boo or a "Fox News Breaking Alert" announcing Obama's latest "Czar" appointment -

YOU still lost.

And after throwing all the red meat in your warped political base out to the rest of the country to eat, the majority of Americans weren't hungry for it and didn't trust ordering from your unhealthy, de-regulated menu -

YOU still lost.

You can read me the constitution, but you clearly don't have a practical understanding of what you've read, heard on television, or forwarded to your entire email list of like minded xenophobes.

This country is great because our founders were smart enough to limit the government's power and give the people enough freedom and authority to correct their own mistakes in pursuit of a "more perfect union" (it's in the first damn line of the Preamble, in case you can't find it in your Tea Party Constitution Cliffs Notes).

Our founders were utterly brilliant and sophisticated. I don't like to speak for them, but I doubt they would have been friends with Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin. Nah, they wouldn't have made the guest list at Mt. Vernon or Monticello.

But let's be clear, our founders weren't perfect. They owned slaves. Only White male property owners had a say in things. Women, blacks, native americans, and other constituencies had to wait for an American dream and in many cases, are still waiting and working for it. Speaking of work, children were working 12-16 hour days with zero safety protections in statute. Zero.

The constitution, subsequent amendments and Supreme Court rulings and opinions since 1800 aren't perfectly clear (those who think they are tend to have had a healthy serving of Kool-Aid and have never watched oral arguments at the Supreme Court).

The founders knew that they, and the constitution they drafted, weren't perfect. This is why they added a Bill of Rights and why they created a Supreme Court and a process that has allowed us to add 27 amendments to their work of art.

Their imperfection is what led to a Civil War to prove that human and civil rights aren't a "states' rights issue" - they're endowed by our creator, not by legislatures in Mississippi or Alabama, and they're protected equally in our constitution, but also in our democratically passed laws.

I run from the Capitol steps to the Lincoln Memorial most mornings that I'm in Washington. I may not be fast or smart, but I can read what's carved in stone.

Please. I welcome a challenge to what I've said. If you think because I voted for President Obama that I'm a socialist or that I don't want a better America, I'm happy to take time from running a business I've co-founded and time from money I'm trying to raise for Big Brothers Big Sisters of America to pause and give you a fresh one. At no charge.

But I do ask this: be a real Patriot. Look at that flag you've hung upside down. Look at what you've done to it and what that means. Thousands of our bravest men and women, braver than me, just lost limbs and in many cases their lives so that Iraqis and Afghanis could vote however they see fit. I did that on Tuesday and so did you. That's what that flag stands for - equal access to a process, not a guarantee for any of our desired outcomes.

A country that defeated Hitler, Mussolini, and bin Laden won't crumble because the guy you wanted to be President got beat.

You lost. Now learn from it.


A Proud American

Nancy M (197)
Monday November 12, 2012, 7:24 am
Cam, what is your point? You seem to be for Gay rights. YOu attack Obama for not following through. And yet most of your tea Party friends would be appalled at the idea. In a federal referundum, they would vote against it. If we went with a federal law, we would most likely have no gay marriage. And it would be a shame.

Nancy M (197)
Monday November 12, 2012, 7:25 am
ANd it is rather disingenious of Breitbart of all places to actually have posted an article like that. Hypocritical.

Nancy M (197)
Monday November 12, 2012, 7:26 am
" It was left up to each religious group to decide this issue for themselves via separation of church and state."

You know what Cam? There are churches here that do perform Gay marriages. YAY!

Gloria picchetti (304)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:13 am
I didn't mean to say that my gay friends only care about their jobs. They want equal rights also. Right now most of them are worried about keeping the job they have or finding a job.

cecily w (0)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:23 am
In the U.S., civil marriage is governed by state law. Occasionally, Congress has regulated marriage in regard to polygamy, DOMA, bans on interracial marriage, etc. Congress is the legislative branch. The President is the executive branch. The function of the legislative branch is to pass laws.

Rita White (1)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:28 am

Barbara DeFratis (23)
Monday November 12, 2012, 8:35 am
NEWSFLASH!!!!!! President Obama has not started his Second Term, YET!!! So to say what will or will not be on his to do list, is jumping to conclusions, is it not??? Cam do you work for Fox News--this is the second one of your stories that I have read and the second one with QUESTIONABLE Content--It is Starting to look like a trend in you writing.

Kenneth L (314)
Monday November 12, 2012, 10:46 am
It gets lost on me why Obama-bashing continues since he's just been voted pres. for another 4 yrs. What do you hope to accomplish by endlessly bashing him? What's the purpose? Goal? Rather than HELP things get better some people simply criticize, harangue, worry, nip away.

Jak Crow (0)
Monday November 12, 2012, 12:09 pm
Funny how the usual suspects in right wing trash sites are the only ones that are saying this. You'd think if Obama actually said he was going to throw the gay community under the bus his 2nd term, at the very least gay news sites would also report this. Except they aren't, because Obama didn't say this. More bizzaro world from the "conservatives".

Cam V (417)
Monday November 12, 2012, 12:47 pm
This story came from an interview Obama did at MTV on Friday. It didn't take him long to start throwing people under the bus.

The only way gay marriage is going to be something that works right across America is for it to be a federal law. How can it be that you are legally married in one state yet the state right next to you does not recognize that union? Is that fair?

Don't shoot the messenger.

Kathlene Lentz (30)
Monday November 12, 2012, 12:54 pm
I guess that, because the President is telling the absolute truth, you are now going to demonize him. He's right, he has been very clear in his support of equality for Gays. He is also correct in that you can't legislate the right for Gays to marry on the Federal level. Every state in the Union has it's own laws on marriage. The state legislates the age allowed, the blood relationship between partners that is allowed, even whether a couple who has lived together for a certain length of time becomes married in common-law terms. A couple who can't legally marry in one state due to age or blood relationship or for some other reason will often cross state lines to legalize their union in a different state. Now you seem to think that the President should wipe out all of those states' laws and federalize everything that has to do with marriage, whether between straight or gay couples. Actually, I think that you just want to find something else to complain about now that the President has been reelected and you can't try to stop people from voting for him. He will do what is right and what is legally possible, and he will do it with our without your support. I trust him, a million times more than I would ever trust any of the Republican politicians in this country. AND I have a Gay son, so I *do* have something at stake here.

Rebecca Y (26)
Monday November 12, 2012, 1:11 pm
Obama has stated his belief that same-sex marriages should be legal. It has always been a State by State thing. He has not changed his belief one iota! It is clear, to me, that this Cam person is an Obama hater.....sorry for you fella, but you guys LOST big time. Gays haven't lost, State by State, same-sex marriage will win because it is the right thing to do. That being said, just to make it clear, I am a heterosexual (straight woman, so you don't have to look it up in the dictionary) and Jae is one of the good guys so leave him alone, Cam! And what does it matter what our sexual preferences are, unless you are one of those bigoted people who wants everyone to be white and Catholic!

Past Member (0)
Monday November 12, 2012, 1:19 pm
More hate bait?

Are you admitting that you know what a vote means and that it's the meaning of democracy? Because you don't act like it. You side with and like this story, do the dirty work of the anti democratic fascists. It's not so easy to play dumb, is it?

Michael M (5)
Monday November 12, 2012, 1:35 pm
Before you people scream "I want my vote back", you you really think Mittens and the gop/t-bag party of bigotry and intolerance would of voted for gay marriage let alone put Pro-Gay justices into the Supreme Court? Remember THAT before you all start screaming "we got thrown under the bus!"

Christopher Fowler (82)
Monday November 12, 2012, 2:23 pm Really? Isn't it enough that this is the site for a pathological liar and propagandist? A man (and I use the term very loosely) that has been skirting the edge of lawsuits from his lies that he claims are "investigative journalism", when they have repeatedly been proven to be nothing of the sort.

There is nothing from that site that has ever been fact-checked, has ever been truth or has ever been put up to do anything other than disinform and lie to everyone.

Anyone that believes this dishonest load of pure unadulterated crap from Breitbart is both a fool and a liar, themselves.

Cam, if you don't buy into this crap then why are you even giving it the credence of posting it?

Cam V (417)
Monday November 12, 2012, 2:33 pm
It was actually on MTV where Obama said this. LOOK IT UP YOURSELF.

. (0)
Monday November 12, 2012, 2:34 pm
The man has not even been sworn into office, yet he is already breaking campaign promises. His gay marriage support was always pure politics, and people ate it up. Now the lying, inconsistencies, lack of interest begins.

Wayne W (12)
Monday November 12, 2012, 2:38 pm
You're linking to Breitbart? Wow. As if anyone took him seriously while he was alive. Breitbart admitted on national TV that the ACORN video was a fraud, the Sherrod video was shown to be a fraud, his operatives were arrested for criminal behavior. Breitbart was a fraud, James O'Keefe is a fraud, every story they ever published was a fraud and you are a fraud.

With O'Keefe arrest, Breitbart develops newfound appreciation for "facts"

Bette-Ann Libin (11)
Monday November 12, 2012, 2:47 pm
So you think Romney would have done better?

Roseann d (178)
Monday November 12, 2012, 2:49 pm
I'm not seeing the point? Romney was afraid of his own base...not like he was going to approve gay marriage.

Cam V (417)
Monday November 12, 2012, 2:59 pm
Romney never had a base really Roseann. The point is gay marriage should be legal right across America. They voted marijuana legal in a few states and then the warning came down that it was still ILLEGAL on a federal level. Why can't Obama take this on? It would be really something to see him leave this as part of his legacy.

Romney? Of course not Bette-Ann but this is a chance for the gay population who have supported Obama for the most part to get recognition as being deserving of the same rights the rest of us get. It would have nothing to do with Church and State because this is a civil law matter. Here in Canada we consider civil marriage a contract between the people concerned. Why can't Obama carry the flag and help the gay community get this contract there once and for all?

Instead he comes out on MTV just a few days after the election and says he is not going to touch this. WHY???

Past Member (0)
Monday November 12, 2012, 4:05 pm
I believe that all Camadians should be taking a lot closer look at that asshat Harper running that clown show up there.

Past Member (0)
Monday November 12, 2012, 4:25 pm
Typical Obama; always 'talks the talk', but Never 'walks the walk'.

Gloria H (88)
Monday November 12, 2012, 4:35 pm
He won. He has nothing to lose now. I am so damned tired of people going ape shit nuts over gay marriage. if YOU are not the one getting married, it's nunya darned business who wears what, says what, and does what going down the aisle. YOU are not invited!!! go home and snivel. Find someone/something else to hate.

Cam V (417)
Monday November 12, 2012, 5:05 pm
Harper is doing just fine MJM. We have our triple AAA rating back and he was not the one who helped us lose it. Can you say that about Obama? No you can't.

This thread is about legalizing gay marriage in America. It is time. The fact that these marriages are legal in some states and not in others is just stupidity. For cripes sakes some of this does not just concern the partners but the children they have as well growing their own families.

Past Member (0)
Monday November 12, 2012, 5:31 pm
Cam, when did you become a gay rights activist? Truthfully, I can't remember when you've ever spoke up for gays, except when it was to bash my President. Tell me, what's Harper doing to advance equality up there? Isn't the Harper government more concerned with passing harsher drug laws than advancing equal rights?

Janet R (38)
Monday November 12, 2012, 5:37 pm
Hey Cam, still going along with the hate BS. ROMNEY LOST, repeat that 5000 times, and get over it. How come we never see a article from you about the problems in Canada? Don't tell me everything is perfect up there? How can you sleep with that digusting Tar Sands moonscaping your beautiful land?

Past Member (0)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:05 pm
"The fact that these marriages are legal in some states and not in others is just stupidity."

I couldn't agree more. Who are the ones stopping progress on this front? From everything we can tell down here, it's the rightwing hate promoters. You know Cam, your American counterparts.


Past Member (0)
Monday November 12, 2012, 7:26 pm
It's only about hate baiting, MJ M. They never really takes a stance on anything. Only stances against. The pussies that they are.

Past Member (0)
Monday November 12, 2012, 9:48 pm
Hey foreigner, ever heard of DOMA? John ‘bonehead’ Boehner?

You know, it just doesn't seem right that some Camadian rightwing BS slinger can post an article with a graphic stating 'I Want My Vote Back! Shame on Obama'. Cam, are you one of those voter fraudsters that slips over the border to vote illegaly in the US? What 'vote' do you want back?

Don't tell me you're foolish enough to think that a gay Obama supporter would ever want his vote back. Is this another of those rightwing delusions that exist only in that bubble?


Cam V (417)
Monday November 12, 2012, 10:04 pm
I have ALWAYS been in favor of gay marriage. It is legal here in Canada and has been for awhile. I am very proud of that fact. Surprised? You shouldn't be because I have stated that I hold MANY liberal views. No need for name calling from any of you here and yet you persist. Well have at it. Obama has a chance to make a real difference in America and he is not going to lift a finger to do it.

Janet, have you even been to the tar sands area of Alberta? I have and what they are doing there has had a positive effect on our economy here. Until you go see it for yourself don't judge us eh?

Past Member (0)
Monday November 12, 2012, 10:38 pm
Positive effect on your economy, at the expense of the planet and our environment. Same rightwing mentality that's killing us and the planet. A fool's perspective indeed.

You never answered Cam, do you know what DOMA is? And what makes you think that anyone gives a crap about anything coming from There must not be much oxygen in that bubble.

Cam V (417)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 12:39 am
Yep I do know what DOMA is.
The story was at Briebart but it was taken from actual footage of an interview Obama did on Friday at MTV.

Timothy W (262)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 5:39 am
I'm sorry, Maybe I missed something along the way. Being gay and outspoken about gay rights I have followed the political side of the rights movement pretty closely. When did Obama say he would fight for Gay marriage on a federal level. I remember him stated he believed that gays should be able to marry, but as far as the federal level goes I thought all he said he would do was to not defend DOMA and to give his support to individual states that chose to do the right thing.

Yes I wish he would do more for me and the rest of the LGBT community, but lets face it...he has a lot of important tasks ahead of him.

Deborah W (6)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:59 pm
Supported long enough to suck a targeted group into the fold on the premise of cause promotion, garnering political support/donations, and finally votes ... now reelected you are no longer needed and so will be spit out (as he has done with each batch of causes/handlers/bundlers no longer useful in his meteoric rise to power on the trust and hope of a country in need of change. Watch the fine print, soon to be FULLY implemented based on voter choice. yours not mine.

Nene Dawson (0)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 2:29 pm
That is just what Obama did to win Deborah. I have never agreed with you Cam on the issue of gay marriage but you have always said you support it. I read that other thread where some progressive members of Care 2 have said they are making it their goal to target you and get you out. I hope you know though we disagree on many things because of my Christian faith I stand with you and your right to speak your mind. I think personally you are wrong about gays being allowed to marry and that God will judge you for that and show you this is wrong one day. But for now I do support your right to say it. Shame on all of you who target a good man with ugly words.

Lynne Buckley (0)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 3:04 pm
I'd rather have Obama in the White House than Romney and the Republicans. They were determined to stop gay marriage in America. The American public, particularly the young can't understand why gay people can't marry. It doesn't threaten marriage, values or religion. If marriage was so sacred there wouldn't be divorce. It would have been banned too. Obama and the Democrats recognise that gay marriage will become law.
.. It might be slower this way, but at least it's moving forward and not backwards as it would have done with Romney.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 3:20 pm
I'm not sure which is the bigger joke on Care2, the asinine articles like this one that get posted, or the oblivious comments they solicit.


Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 3:37 pm
Tough on Crime, Weak on Human Rights: Canada’s Prisons Failing Women

Canada’s Conservative government has a “tough on crime” agenda. They are building more jails, putting more people in jail for minor offenses and imposing minimum sentences that don’t always fit the circumstances. This has resulted in overcrowding, increased violence, and now a seeming inability to protect the human rights of women in the prison system. Two recent cases, one where a female prisoner committed suicide while prison guards watched and another where a woman gave birth — feet first — in her jail cell, demonstrate the horrific disregard for the human rights of young women in Canada’s prison system.

Ashley Smith — Killed Herself While Guards Watched

Ashley Smith was first incarcerated at the age of 15 for throwing crab apples at a postal worker. She was sent to a juvenile detention facility, where her behavior in custody led to additional charges against her, and more jail time. When she turned 18 years old and was still in custody, she was transferred into the adult prison system where she spent time in 17 different prisons over a period of 11 months, all in solitary confinement. Then, as Shannon McCarney wrote on Care2 last year, she ended her life:

On October 19th, she tied a strip of cloth around her neck in full view of 7 prison guards. They watched through her cell bars as she turned purple, waiting to intervene until whatever arbitrary line was crossed before their intervention appeared “necessary.” They waited too long. Ashley died.

An inquest into Smith’s death is now underway. In the course of the inquest, video footage was released (despite objections from Corrections Canada) that showed the type of abuse Smith endured in custody. According to the CBC:

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Cam V, You make me want to puke. When are you going to clean up your own government ? You actually have the gall to bitch about Obama and same gender marriage rights in America, while these disgusting HUMAN RIGHTS violations are going on under your nose??

Cam V (417)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 3:54 pm
Ahhhh MJM .... if that is the case then please feel FREE TO IGNORE WHAT I POST HERE! Coming in and calling me names says more about you than it does me for sure. But have at it if that is all you've got. I could post TRUCKLOADS OF STORIES ABOUT PRISON ABUSE IN AMERICA. Let's start with the death penalty which we do not have here and go from there shall we?

As well who is the blogger who wrote that piece? Why if SHE says it is so then it really must be so that my country repsects no human rights at all. Yet we have legal gay civil marriage, abortion, religious rights - all legal and respected right across my great country. When you can say that about yours perhaps then we can revisit your accusations. Until then ignore my threads.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 4:40 pm
Calling you names?? If only Term of Service and Codes of Conduct would allow, I could think of plenty.

Your ignoring of the questions I pose is the most illuminating thing about you, Cam.

Using America's death penalty as justification for the human righs abuses in Canada is sickening. Why do you refuse to address your own countries atrocities? More fun Obama bashing, right? Cam, you are a _________________! Readers can fill in the blank.


Cam V (417)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 4:48 pm
The biggest blank is what to way about you MJM. There are human right abuses everywhere and for you to assume I am not involved here in Canada means you know nothing about me. Perhaps if you actually read posts I have made in the past instead of just going on the attack all the time you would have figured that out.

Timothy W (262)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 5:13 pm
I think the original point of the article has been left behind. From the very beginning of Obama's campaign, and I mean the first time around, I never once thought or gleamed from anything he said, that he would be the great gay rights crusader. Fact is, he originally told us he was not for gay marriage, it wasn't until later that he told us he had changed his stance on the issue, He told us he would not defend DOMA, and he still stands by that decision. I disagree with his position that Gay Marriage should be a state issue, but I do not feel he threw us under the bus, He never told us that he would personally see to the changes on a federal level, only that he personally felt that equal rights for Gays including marriage was the right thing to do, I believe if you listen to what he says you will find this is still what he believes. He has a lot on his plate though and can only fix so much at a time. Lets not accuse him of trying to coax people to vote for him with empty promises, At least he didn't change his position nearly every day, sometimes in the same day depending on who he was speaking to at the time like his opponent.

BG Callahan (0)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 11:43 pm
Huh? This site is called Isn't he too dead to have any clout? REGARDLESS, we all need to pile on and hold Mr. Second Termers feet to the fire! Now we have something of a mandate. Go for it!

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 10:48 pm
MJM, as you wrote the inquiry is going on. Wait before jumping to conclusions.


Patrice M (84)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 12:34 pm
Breitbart is dead. This is not true. Unbelievable that you would use a source like this.

Nancy M (197)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 2:09 pm
Earth to Cam....

Very few, if any, voted for Obama based solely on his stance on gay marriage.

So- who cares?
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