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Has America Become a Huge Duck Pond?


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: americans, u.s., usa, government, elections, news )

Cam
- 764 days ago - canadafreepress.com
Eagles across America have already begun to regroup, plan new strategies and ways to educate a nation now dominated by clueless ducks.



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Cam V. (417)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 1:29 pm
Dr Wayne Dyer describes people as eagles and ducks.

With a majority of Americans voting to give the undeserving Obama a second term, I felt like the odd-man-out voting against him. It occurred to me that I have a history of being odd-man-out, not in sync with the thinking of my family and friends.

When I was in junior high school, my dad acknowledged my artistic talent and encouraged me to pursue a career in that field. Dad said,“You could be a great black artist someday.” While I appreciated Dad’s support, I thought, “Why can’t I simply be a great artist? Why must my success be limited to the black world?”

Admittedly, I probably misinterpreted the meaning of Dad’s statement. The reason is because my family and friends appeared to view the world through a narrow black lens, limiting blacks to certain tastes and behaviors. I was criticized and looked at suspect for enjoying music beyond R&B, black Gospel and Jazz. I have always dealt with people as individuals. Thus, I was criticized for having “too many white friends”. Early on, I viewed the world as my oyster, eager to explore life beyond the American “black experience.”

Though they love me, family and friends have been furious with me on numerous occasions over the years for not participating in their group think or indulging in unauthorized black behavior.

Rejecting Barack Obama is my latest offense. Not only did I reject the first black president, family and friends found it incomprehensible that I chaired a PAC against him.

So, why have I never quite fit in with my family and friends? Why have I suffered their rebuke all these years? Finally, I understand. They are ducks. I am an eagle.

Obama’s reelection has concerned eagles concluding that America has become a huge duck pond. In Obama’s duck pond, high flying independent self-reliant eagles are mandated to have their wings clipped, limiting their ability to fly to hovering slightly above the pond. This will not enhance the life of one duck other than appeasing their envy of the eagle’s “unfair” ability to fly high.

When Obama touts hard work, he is really only talking to eagles. Ducks are encouraged to chill-out and rely on government. Eagles are ordered to deliver most of what they gather to government Lilly pads to be redistributed. Ducks simply waddle or float to the nearest Lilly pad to receive freebies delivered via the hard work, sweat and risks of eagles. Free duck-phones are a huge hit.

In Obama’s new duck pond America, high minded eagle ideas such as personal responsibility and ambition to build a better life for ones self and their family are criminalized. Obama’s vision is no duck having more than another sharing equally for the good of the pond.

To the horror of us eagles, a majority of Americans are ignorant naïve ducks who believe Obama’s vision will ensure prosperity for all floating around the pond. Dear Lord, help us, please!

There is a reason why the Bald Eagle was chosen to symbolize America. It is a bird of great vision and resilience which refuses to be controlled or contained. Its rights and desire to be free are gifted by God.

Eagles simply can not and will not allow Obama’s duck pond to become the permanent new standard of what it means to be an American. Despite the decree of the Imperial Ruler of the pond, eagles will stealthily conceive new ways to regrow their wings to fly high, soaring higher than ever before. Such is the spirit and nature of the American eagle.

Unquestionably, Obama’s reelection is a monumental devastating defeat of us eagles. Currently in America, ducks rule!

Eagles across America have already begun to regroup, plan new strategies and ways to educate a nation now dominated by clueless ducks.

For ever long as it takes, American eagles will not give up or surrender until a majority of Obama ducks are defeated or miraculously transformed into eagles. Eagles will not rest until Obama’s duck pond America is restored back to its divinely ordained role as the largest greatest eagle’s nest on the planet.
 

Jae A. (321)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 6:32 pm
...for sore losers and cry babies..yes it has.
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (394)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 12:22 am
All flying eagles in all administrations have their wings clipped. They scare the hell of everyone! This is also true in society and in daily interactions between people.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 12:26 am
I doubt if Dr. Wayne Dyer was thinking along any political lines whatsoever when he used that allegory of 'eagles and ducks'. Anyway, that's all that is. One allegory by one person.
Anyone can make up an allegory---monkeys and tigers, mice and elephants, dogs and fleas.....and run with it. Who cares..
Lame allegory, lame rhetoric.

What this is is propaganda and PR. Attempting to shape how others should think and view things along certain lines to garner favor for oneself.

You know what this is called. Propaganda. PR.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 12:33 am
My last sentence was redundant. Like still trying to influence voters after the election lol.
 

Alexa R. (330)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 3:26 am
I admire his courage and eloquence. He certainly fits the allegory of an eagle -someone with dreams to fly high. I wish Dr Wayne Dyer every success in face of all who tries to clip his wings... it must be really frustrating for those who work hard to be so unappreciated, even kicked in the teeth by those who benefit from their hard work.

 

John Gregoire (262)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 6:33 am
We would be better off working together and cease the allegories and sniping from both sides. I'm quite sick of it all.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 6:47 am
I mentioned Dyer only because Lloyd Marcus, the author of this news article, is using Dyer's allegory of 'eagles and ducks' for political reasons. Cheap use IMO.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 7:04 am
And let's not play the game of 'I'm innocent, you're guilty' 'I'm an eagle, you're a duck' 'I'm OK, you're not' etc. There are those who consider themselves eagles and others ducks, and there are those who consider those same people ducks and themselves eagles. Not all cut and dried, sweetness and light regarding anyone.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 9:45 am
We are US citizens who should be working for the greater good of the country - not for the greater good of big oil, big coal, Monsanto or mega-corporations but for the good of the country. And isn't a country really all about the people in it? I see that Occupy Wall Street is now Occupy Sandy, gathering and distributing goods for the victims of Sandy - they are working for the good of the country. Like Kenneth said, eagles, ducks - mice, men - turtles, rabbits - who cares? You can call yourself anything you like - it's what you DO that makes the difference.
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 10:09 am
Obviously you Alexandra, while watching the film Norma Ray, would be cheering for the sweat shop owner, who in YOUR version of the movie, is a hero, put upon by the overworked and under payed, who clever and greedy... ships those jobs overseas, to people who can't complain, then sells those goods back to his own people who now need any discount they can find. Check mate, in this movie all too real, in which you make of Vultures, Eagles.

I'm sure Lois IV felt proud, and justified, regal, and entitled... right up until he heard that final sound.
 

Cam V. (417)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 11:10 am
Louis the IV was a dictor who ruled from the top to the bottom. Never needed anyone to tell him what to do. No negotiation ..... executive orders all the way.
 

Dave C. (227)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 11:20 am
......Cam, I don't think we left our country in the hands of "clueless ducks", but "hopeful optimists" who will work for everyone and the entire planet and not just for selfish greedy profits.......we've had enough of "hawks and eagles".......except flying in the sky!
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 11:46 am
Of course you wish to change the subject to Presidential power, when for whom that power is being wielded is the point of my comment....you over look it, doing only what you do, which is dissemble. Obama seeks to help the common people. That's why we just reelected him, not ignoring his excesses, but definitely ignoring your crap.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 12:17 pm
Hate bait by a duck! lol
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 12:19 pm
This duck pond was created by fox so called news. The liars get into the minds of the mentally lazy. The mentally lazy push their crap as if it mirrored reality.
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 12:29 pm
OH! Very well said Jason. Bravo!
 

Wayne W. (12)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 12:45 pm
Robert S., to what excessews do you refer?
 

Tim L. (86)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 1:08 pm
You can always tell when the right-wing whack-jobs lose, because they screem like banshees...on and on and on and.......
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 1:09 pm
To easily sum it up...broadly put, he has taken from Bush, power grabbed then handed to him, by Bush and Chaney by an argument forwarded by them known as the Unitary Executive. Power is historically difficult for those who either steal it or are handed it, to give back. Obama has done nothing to disturb disrupt the trend in this respect. It is troublesome even as it might be wielded for the good, as Lincoln did, because it can be used otherwise, and has.
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 1:17 pm
Benjamen Franklin was an eagle but never said it, and therefor soared....dignified and great, while this pompous ass just flaps around trying to pat himself on the back denigrating others in the effort.

Real humility is a sign of strength, authentic confidence, and courage. It is the mark of a true man.
B.Franklin
 

Wayne W. (12)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 1:30 pm
OK, Robert S., thank you. I suppose but it ebbs and flows. FDR did some things during WWII that people today find abhorrent and they were, but the civilized world was in a struggle for its survival. It's always the debate whether survival can justify backtracking from morality. Was a warm fuzzy feeling worth letting Fascism win WWII?

You say Obama has done nothing to reverse the trend, I suppose if you had said nothing institutional and structural I could agree. Although Obama did reverse the US policy on torture. Conversely, that some things did not change is an illustration that there are limits to power.
 

Wayne W. (12)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 1:33 pm
61% of the 47% pay payroll taxes which means they have jobs. 22% are elderly retired who worked a lifetime but do not have enough income to meet tax thresholds. 8% are unemployed due to the crash that happended under Bush. Smaller groups such as military serving in combat zones add to that total. That's over 90% with legitimate reasons not to pay taxes. This is a legitimate, obvious and predictable result of the Bush tax cuts and it's doubletalk to try to use that to label half of America as lazy and dependent on government.
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 1:39 pm
Above I refer to Dyer, to be clear though I did not say so. Perhaps I am a bit harsh. Apparently he may be a splendid, special duck, but works against this impression of him, by referring to himself as Eagle, and attempting elevation by hard blowing over his own wings.
 

Wayne W. (12)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 1:44 pm
Hedge fund manager John Paulson, bet against the mortgage market one year and then bet with Glenn Beck in the gold market the next. Paulson made himself $9 billion in fees in just two years. His current tax bill on that $9 billion? Zero.”

This is the trick: “So long as they leave their money, known as “carried interest,” in the hedge fund, their taxes are deferred. They only pay taxes when they cash out, which could be decades from now for younger managers. How do these hedge-fund managers get money in the meantime? By borrowing against the carried interest, often at absurdly low rates—currently about 2 percent.”

Over a four years period from 2008 to 2011, Corning Inc. was one of 26 companies that managed to avoid paying any American income taxes, even though it earned nearly $3 billion during that time. In fact, according to Citizens For Tax Justice, the company received a $4 million refund from 2008 to 2010. That didn’t stop Susan Ford, a senior executive at the company, from telling the House Ways and Means Committee this week that America’s high corporate tax rate was putting her company at a disadvantage.
Average corporate tax rate in 2011 was about 12%. And add to that the flat individual income growth during the Bush years and you flesh out the outlines of increasing debt.

What trickles down is not wealth, but debt.

 

Wayne W. (12)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 1:49 pm
Sorry to be so verbose today but this is stuff that people should know heading into this fiscal cliff nonsense.

Tax facts hardly anyone knows
http://www.theotherpaper.com/news/article_db880af2-6782-11e0-856d-001cc4c03286.html

1. Poor Americans do pay taxes.
2. The wealthiest Americans don't carry the burden.
3. In fact, the wealthy are paying less taxes.
4. Many of the very richest pay no current income taxes at all.
5. And (surprise!) since Reagan, only the wealthy have gained significant income.
6. When it comes to corporations, the story is much the same-less taxes.
7. Some corporate tax breaks destroy jobs.
8. Republicans like taxes too.
9. Other countries do it better.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 1:50 pm
Fascinating post and comments
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 2:45 pm
"Was a warm fuzzy feeling worth letting Fascism win WWII?" NO, though perhaps it should have been rhetorical, we never know, do we...

My comment "reverse the trend" only pertained to the giving up of power. Not how it was wielded once gotten. He did, wield it to end torture, while we know what Bush did. Thanks for reminding me, and so we agree that in this way he wielded it well, like Lincoln before him, to save the Union and to see blacks equal, under law. Only those who argued for slavery would begrudge Lincoln what he did during that time. It is not so cut and dry now, but someone is always hurt, and the need to win is urgent. Blood will be on your hands as President. The question is how much and toward what goal, toward darkness or toward light, and how is the battle waged. I think one can not be said to fight toward light by torture. An argument can be made that Drone Strikes lack equally moral bearing, though I would argue not intrinsically unless we wish to concede all war to being equally dark endeavors, and barring the end of war, someone must go if not a drone....who will it be?

Off on a tangent. Ruminating. Sorry.

 

Alexa R. (330)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 3:07 pm
Robert S. (113)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 1:17 pm
Benjamen Franklin was an eagle but never said it, and therefor soared....dignified and great, while this pompous ass just flaps around trying to pat himself on the back denigrating others in the effort.

Real humility is a sign of strength, authentic confidence, and courage. It is the mark of a true man.
B.Franklin

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Oh well, so Dr Dyer still has a way to fly before he reaches the heights of Benjamin Franklin; at least give Dr Dyer credit for having dreams of soaring (personally I see promise in the man and wish him every success) ...

Also, I sadly know people who call others far worse than ducks that need transforming into eagles (just look at the insluts flying in this thread alone) ... I happen to like ducks and thought his allegory rather an insult for ducks were I to take his allegory literally ..

 

Cam V. (417)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 3:13 pm
I like ducks as well. For the most part they are beautiful passive birds who just want to be left alone and live their little lives in their little communites. I love Eagles and we are very lucky here in British Columbia to have thousands upon thousands of them. In fact sent many to America to replenish areas they once were and helped to put them back again.

Eagles are strong with independance, strength and good focused eyesight on what is around them. I myself would much rather be an eagle. It gets really tiring living like a duck.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 3:15 pm
Hey Cam, does this mean you're a Canada goose?
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 3:22 pm
Good. We both like ducks. Its a start. Yet many here would argue for payed enslavement and the virtue of unmitigated greed, things...from behind a thin curtain and the saintly hue imparted by loving animals and or not kicking their dog. As if wildlife and the environment, saved only by regulation and care and the reining in of pollution, existed separately from concern for animals. What bunk.
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 3:24 pm
Given the amount of crap inherent in their presence...I'd guess yes.
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 3:28 pm
Thanks Wayne, good info.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 3:29 pm
BTW Robert and Wayne, I know that Cam has seen similar information before- the info Wayne posted above.

 

Cam V. (417)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 3:36 pm
Yep, I read everything. Canada geese are like rats up here Nancy! We have a million of them and their pretty birds but they tend to spread nothing but crap all over the place! Most do not migrate anymore here in BC on the lower mainland so it is a never ending unhealthy cycle. They can be quite vicious as well.

Do wish you could see our eagles. You can be driving along a main road and all of a sudden several will be swooping around you. Nope, next lifetime I want to be like an eagle. Free .... strong .... what magnificant birds they are indeed.

Other countries do it better? Why the riots overseas now because fiscal restraint was not adhered to? European countries are failing all over the globe.
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 4:11 pm
I know Nancy, Pearls before toothsome trolls.

"Why the riots overseas now because fiscal restraint was not adhered to? European countries are failing all over the globe."

My....your eloquence and knowledge of economics not to mention.... geography are breathtaking. Any
Canadians around just hid so as not to be associated by proximity to doltish blabberings.... eh?
 

Nancy M. (202)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 5:31 pm
Robert Cam isn't a bad guy once you agree to disagree.

And it actually is his thread. He, more than anyone< ought to be able to post here.

Saying that even if I do disagree with him on most things.
 

Robert S. (115)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 6:42 pm
I most profoundly do not agree that he is a nice guy. I do agree.... it is his thread....

Adieu.

 

Lloyd H. (46)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 7:09 pm
Well one has to admit that the loser Lloyd Marcus, as in chairman/founder of the Tea Bagged "Defeat Obama Campaign", has come up with a novel way of pushing the Romney/Ryan/Ayn Rand "takers and makers" bullshit, but then he is a second rate entertainer with delusions of political relevance. Marcus dresses like Rick Perry, looks like Herman Cain might have 30 years ago and talks like the love child of Joe Walsh and Michelle Malkin. One should also note that Marcus's "Campaign to Defeat Obama" was funded by the Tea Part Express which is funded by Americans for Prosperity which is funded by the Koch Brothers. Also worthy of note is that the article Cam provides is from Renew America, perhaps the craziest of the crazy Repug/Tea Bagged Clown Car Media.
Renew America is better known for:
Defending Tod Akin;
Claiming that Obama is and I quote "bent on turning America into a full-fledged Marxist Communo-Fascist elitist ruled Islamo-Drug cartel Narco/Nazi State.";
Claiming that "Satan is doing a good job with the Gay Community";
Claiming "Repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell will lead to Society's "Complete Ruination".".
In other words this is another pile of bat crap delivered by Cam frotrulytruely 'Bat Crap Crazies' of the Fringe of the Far Far Reich-Wing of the Repug/ Tea Bagged.
 

Roni Jo Patterson (4)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 9:34 pm
Now wait a minute, aren't these "eagles" petitioning to secede from the Union? They need to make up their minds.
 

Alexa R. (330)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 11:42 pm
Cam V. (415)
Wednesday November 14, 2012, 3:13 pm
I like ducks as well. For the most part they are beautiful passive birds who just want to be left alone and live their little lives in their little communities. I love Eagles and we are very lucky here in British Columbia to have thousands upon thousands of them. In fact sent many to America to replenish areas they once were and helped to put them back again.

Eagles are strong with independence, strength and good focused eyesight on what is around them. I myself would much rather be an eagle. It gets really tiring living like a duck.

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I agree with your descriptions of ducks and eagles, Cam. Eagles are magnificent! I too would much rather be an eagle soaring free, strong and independent ... and in the allegorical sense of Dr Dyer, it's a choice we make individually, whether we wish to be eagles or ducks ...
 

Nancy M. (202)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 5:58 am
Roni Jo- maybe it is really the ducks who want to secede.
 

Roger M. (0)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 7:55 am
Yes, America has become a huge duck pond.

Next question, please.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 9:03 am
Allegories are a dime a dozen. The value of an allegory is...well....the value of an allegory. Let's talk about monkeys vs. tigers. How about grizzly bears vs. gophers. You see. Interesting, entertaining, means anything much? No.

It's too easy for anyone on one side of an issue to say THEY are eagles, and their opponents are ducks. However the other side can think the same thing, in reverse. End value? Zero.

Developer wants to 'soar like an eagle' with his ambition to develop a woodlot into a highrise bldg. that he thinks is needed On the other hand, environmentalists want to 'soar like an eagle' with their ambition is to protect the woodlot from development.
So who is the eagle and who is the duck? Depends entirely on point of view.

 

Robert S. (115)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 9:35 am
You cannot currently send a star to Kenneth because you have done so within the last week.
 

Alexa R. (330)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 11:44 am
Exactly. Any person can use any allegory they want in anyway they want, including Dr Dyer.

And we're all free to associate with or interpret any allegory in any way that speaks to us or not...

I personally liked his dream about being a soaring eagle, and find it inspiring -may all eagles cover-come, fly high despite their wings being clipped..


 

Alexa R. (330)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 11:47 am
oops, it should read over-come...
 

monka blanke (84)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 1:05 pm
I remember Cam V's pre election propaganda...and now this allegory. And Europe is failing all over ?!? He should stick his crap where the sun doesn't shine. I'm not in favour of his Right-Wing BS.
 

Cam V. (417)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 2:05 pm
Just as I have every right to post at Care 2 ALL of you here have every right to ignore them. What you do not have a right to do is lobb personal attacks against another member of Care 2.

Please stick to the subject matter and leave your personal attacks off your posts. Not only is it unbecoming but it adds nothing to the conversation but does prove my point about intollerance that comes from some posters on the left.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 10:37 pm
But you're just on a long hate fest, Cam. You're like the d*ck yelling fire. That line between right and wrong has been crossed many times. Just sayin. Don't get all entitled.
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 10:56 pm
How about we cut the allegory crap and get to the point. While the following is best know for its application to religion it works just as well for other ideology. Although with Cam I am sure from his posts that the two are very very intwined. And if I am repeating myself that would be fitting in reference to Cam the Parrot of the Tea Bagged.
NO - I do not respect your beliefs.
I respect your right to have them.
I respect your right to express them.
I respect you only so long as you respect me.
I do not respect your "right" to tell me I am an EVIL person.
I do not respect your "right" to tell me I am going to "HEEL".
I do not respect your right to impose your beliefs on me.
I do not respect ignorance.
I do not respect brainwashing.
I do not respect cults.
I do not respect hatred, biogotry, misogyny, sexism, tyranny, homophobia, liars or corporate whores or pimps.
And I don not have to.
 

Cam V. (417)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 11:37 pm
So when did I ever tell you that you are an evil person Lloyd? When did I ever tell you you should heel or that you should allow me to impose your beliefs on me or is that only a one sided argument?

Ignorance comes from being uninformed. It comes from having such a narrow mind and a narrow view of things you are afraid to look beyond your own little world. You can hardly call me ignorant when I reach way beyond mine and I have never called you that.

As for the rest of what you said I have never suggested ANY of that ever. Have a tantrum if you must but you do look silly from my side of the screen.
 

Stella Gamboni (17)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 11:59 pm
Sorry, but I sort of stumbled over "Huge Duck".
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Friday November 16, 2012, 6:07 am
Stella lol. That's another thing. Size of ducks.

And to get 'serious' all over again, bald eagles are mostly carrion eaters. Benjamin Franklin thought the eagle wasn't as good as a symbol for the U.S. as the wild turkey.
Can we PLEASE start an allegory of who are turkeys and who are eagles and who are ducks? No, don't.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Friday November 16, 2012, 1:13 pm
"Ignorance comes from being uninformed. It comes from having such a narrow mind and a narrow view of things you are afraid to look beyond your own little world. You can hardly call me ignorant when I reach way beyond mine and I have never called you that. "

Ah, I see the problem now.

You think we are uninformed.

Guess what- we aren't. We do disagree with you.

And yet you keep insisting that we are uninformed. Yes, I have heard this before from you Cam. Guess what- I am not uninformed. Perhaps you are. Have you lived the life of a single mother with two kids making minimum wage and unable to afford rent? No, you haven't (actually neither have I). Yet- you think she should pay more tax.
 

Cam V. (417)
Friday November 16, 2012, 6:48 pm
I am not talking about the debate itself Nancy but the MANNER in which attacks from the left in this very thread adds NOTHING to the conversation. All it does is hurt people who differ from your view of things and I do know that the right is guilty of doing the same thing. It accomplishes nothing.

When I say uninformed I am saying that some have a view that is so focused they would never even consider that there MIGHT, just MIGHT be something to be gained by considering another opinion because they are so stuck they would never do that.

I have many on the left I have shared with here during my time at Care 2. I belong to left wing groups of which I am the only right wing member but am rarely attacked there the way I am here.

No, I never did live the life of a single mom but my wife did. She used the system to get off the system. Went back and got her nursing degree when her husband left her back in the seventies. She was very proud of what she accomplished in the end and I say that with great pride. She was an amazing woman and no .... where did I ever say that I think single moms should pay more tax?
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday November 16, 2012, 7:07 pm

Interesting Cam, so your mom, like you and your 6 children all used the system or safety net? Health care is good for Canada, just not good for the US?

Every one has an amazing mom, and those who are mom's have given all to our children, some of them more able to access education and build a future for themselves and others do not have the opportunity.

And....really that is all we want in the US, just for every person to have the chance for opportunity. Arguing about fairness and equality seems less an attack at any one person than a code of beliefs that does with intention, hold some back with an eye to their own gains.
 

Cam V. (417)
Friday November 16, 2012, 8:33 pm
No, that was my wife Linda and that was the social services system NOT the health care system Kit. The health care system failed us and continues to fail us. We cannot get family doctors and have to go to clinics now where we see who we wait for. They do not take appointments. Each doc there is also only allowed to take so many patients a day so if you are number 41 to show up too bad for you.

When you go to hosp now your fam doc had no say BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE ONE. You see whoever happens to be wandering around that day and every day can see a different person.

Where was I arguing for fairness and equality? Is it fair that this is the system we now have here because it is falling apart? It CERTAINLY is not what we signed up for but so much for the idea that you WILL KEEP YOUR DOCTOR ......
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 1:16 am
I've never been without a family doctor in my life Cam (lived in 2 different cities). And in those cities there are MANY walk-in clinics all over the place. Average about a 2 hr. wait. Some will even take you on as your family doctor. But that's my province, might be different in yours. So when you lump all of Canada together, you also have to talk about the various provinces. Same with social services. You mean welfare? Each province has their own. There is no 'Canada' social services program. There isn't any 'Canada' health care program. The first is Ontario Works, the second Ontario Hospital Insurance Program. There's Canada Pension Plan and Old Age Retirement which are federal when you reach a certain age.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 1:27 am
And anyone can walk into an emergency dept. at any hospital and see a doctor. However there, the wait can be considerably longer, maybe 3 or 5 hr.s even longer (I've heard). You are crapping on 'Canada's health care' in some big generality, yet haven't I seen you praise Harper?, and you are also crapping on U'.S. health care, so just where is to be found your idyllic idea of a system that you want evidently both Can. and the U.S. to have?
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 1:50 am
Another thing is, I have never paid a cent to see any doctor anywhere, either my own or at a walk-in clinic, or at any emerg. dept. at any hospital (in Ontario). Various hospitalization and surgeries are also no cost, up to a point. Prescriptions are different. You have to pay cash unless you are on a drug plan, either private group of through your workplace. Even then however, Ontario has a program called Trillium where for about $80 a mon. it covers most prescriptions (I've heard). I'm not sure but I'm thinking Americans reading this would be drooling, so you shouldn't crap on 'Canada's health care' so much.
 

Cam V. (417)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 2:03 am
It needs a lot of changes made to it but like everything else that happens to be given to people who think things are 'free' it is hard to take away. I have known that for years.

You are aware there is a town in Ontario where they are holding an actual lottery for the right to have a family doctor are you not? The show was aired some time ago so if you looked I am sure you would find it. In BC it is almost impossible to get a family doctor. They just are not here anymore to be found. It is the same right across the country.

I do support Harper but I also torment him with weekly letters about things I am not happy with. I want an elected senate. We need to get that done.

Our system is failing Kenneth and that is something you will find out when you least expect it - same way I did.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 6:07 am
Not aware of this 'small Ontario town'. I wonder if there is anywhere in Canada, a shortage of doctors compared to number of residents. Nah. Couldn't be. I hope you're garnering people to become doctors.

No it's not the 'same right across the country'.. How can you say that from what I just described of my experiences in Ontario? And none of my family, or extended family members, or friends, have ever not had a family doctor to the best of my knowledge.

I hate to say it but generalities suck. They always have, they always will. It's hard for anyone to work with a generality because they're so general, sweeping. What exactly do you do? You need specifics. Stating specifics allows people to focus and then work on specifics. Otherwise it's just an overwhelming term.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 6:23 am
I don't say any of this maliciously Cam because I know how much you are interested in Can-U.S. politics and health care etc. I've never had major surgery or extended hospitalization or special or continuous medical treatment or special drugs so I can't speak about that stuff, either in Ont. or B.C. Obviously there are tons of various medical conditions and cases and circumstances of all sorts with people. I think it's totally unreal to think that every individual can have everything perfect for them
I could gripe about the fact that dental, eye, and chiropractic for instance aren't covered at all in Ontario. Zilch Why? No rational explanation.
But the only place I've heard where everything is perfect is either Iceland or Heaven.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 6:42 am
All I can say about Canadian Health care system is that my relatives have never ever complained. Right up till she died, my aunt received treatment and there was no discussion of denying her anything until the family decided that it was time.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 6:44 am
And I will also add that there are plenty of towns here in the US with minimal healthcare, have to drive elsewhere. And places too with no OB/GYN to deliver babies. Big issue in parts of Virginia and Maryland back in 2004.
 

Nancy M. (202)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 7:10 am
"When I say uninformed I am saying that some have a view that is so focused they would never even consider that there MIGHT, just MIGHT be something to be gained by considering another opinion because they are so stuck they would never do that. "

Some might say that is You.

"No, I never did live the life of a single mom but my wife did. She used the system to get off the system. Went back and got her nursing degree when her husband left her back in the seventies. "

That kind of help had been cut back severely here in the US. My niece, as an example, is eligible for nothing. And yet she still can't pay rent. She is supposed to be of her place by Thanksgiving Day. No where to go.

" .... where did I ever say that I think single moms should pay more tax? "

You imply it every time you talk about too many people not paying in (cna there is nobosy not paying in, BTW). And defending the taxes of the rich. if we end the Bush tax cuts on everyone, she will be paying alot more.
 

Angelica C. (84)
Monday November 19, 2012, 8:49 pm
This is very telling indeed. Republicans, evidently, are against majority rule. The name calling, the complaining, the threats coming from their side since the election are now out of control. Ducks and eagles. Unbelievable. These people should never have control again if this is how they want to twist their own defeat. They seem to forget that they alienated over half the country with their hateful candidate and his even more hateful policies. No. All they know is they didn't win and it makes them mad. There's no insight here at all. There's no personal responsibility. Zip. Zero. None.

If they don't like the changing demographic of the USA, why don't they leave and let the rest of us who are still proud to live here get on with it? Why are they still here? Secede already, will you?

And these are the people who call themselves patriots. O, the irony.
 

Angelica C. (84)
Monday November 19, 2012, 8:53 pm
Why does this article come with a photo of Andre Braugher? Is he supposed to be the quintessential duck in republican la-la land? Or was it just a photo of a black man and that offends you to the point of no return, Cam?

Andre Braugher is one of the finest actors around today. Remember him on Homicide?

How openly racist of you, Cam.
 

Angelica C. (84)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 2:08 pm
Eagles - 0 Ducks - 2
 

Cam V. (417)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 8:08 pm
Really Angelica? I MEAN REALLY??? That PHOTO is the AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE and his name is Lloyd Marcus .... one of the leaders of the Tea Party movement. If you had followed the article you would have known that.
 

Cam V. (417)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 8:11 pm
Kenneth, I will look for that article and send it along to you if I can find it. A big majority of my family live in Ontario as well and the problems are no better than here. Perhaps you have yet to be in the line of fire. I hope what happened to me never happens to you or any of your family.

Angelica, you owe me an apology.
 

Cam V. (417)
Saturday November 24, 2012, 8:19 pm
Here is a link to the shortages in Ontario Ken .... there are many more if you look for them .....

http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/409140--oma-head-here-s-why-there-s-a-doctor-shortage
 
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