Thursday November 15, 2012, 1:14 pm
It is known that if you want to be good at something, in most cases you have to have a good follow through. And in the case of the fakers in Gaza, it couldn’t be more true because the cameras are still rolling!

Via Arutz Sheva:

Barely one day into the fighting in Hamas-run Gaza, the locals are hard at work playing the victim for the world’s press.

Footage from the BBC captured by watchdog group Honest Reporting shows a heavy man lying on the ground and being carried away by residents, apparently after being injured by an Israeli attack.

Moments later, that same man again fills the frame, except he is walking about and obviously unhurt.

The widespread staging of such victim situations is a favored tactic of Arabs fighting Israel and has come to be known as “Pallywood.” Because Israel is stronger militarily, the Arabs cling to the underdog image of poor refugees under occupation and siege by evil Israelis, thus eliciting sympathy.

Thursday November 15, 2012, 1:26 pm
Arab PR machine utilizes youtube at 100%!

Unfortunately for them, lots of people posted their own viodeos on youtube from time to time and know that it takes a bit of time and a cell to make something to post. Less people are buying into their crap.

Thursday November 15, 2012, 1:48 pm
Obtuse? I am very perceptive actually and very sensitive to everyone concerned here. I see the Palestinians being used as pawns in a very dangerous game. If you ask the everyday Muslim why they do not speak out against the radicals it is because to do so COULD get you killed. So they mind their business. Live in fear in order to protect their families. EVEN IN IRAN THEY DO THE SAME Margaret Mayer.

I am just as concerned about the innocent lives in Palestine that will be lost in this debacle but until the Palestinian people reach out to stop the manipulation nothing can or will change where they are.

People who use media to promote propaganda ARE THE WROST KIND THERE IS. But those that even top that are the fakers and the haters. The ones who do not love their children enough to want peace. They can have it. Israel WILL give it to them. All they have to do is stop lobbing missiles at them.

Thursday November 15, 2012, 4:11 pm
Kicked O, according to Islam the special place in hell are prepared not only for Cam, but for all infidels, so neither he nor I do not really lose a lot.

At least, I will be going to take my honorable seat in Muslim hell knowing full well that I did all I could to stop the attack of what I consider the worst barbarism of the 21st century, next to or exceeding Nazi barbarism of 20-th century, with worst to come yet.

Thursday November 15, 2012, 4:16 pm
Cam, the haters are the fakers. I posted an article here recently about Islamic PR workers imposing under Jewish names to get more credibility and to refute accusations in anti-Semitism. Worst hate-mongers presented themselves as Jews in political life many times.

Promoting Dawah on the Web is just one of the types of Jihad. Actual murdering people seems to me like a worse type of Jihad than spreading hate on forums.

Thursday November 15, 2012, 4:20 pm
It is about he who promotes the most propaganda Bob. The radicals are becoming quite good at it and those who never take the time to become informed on the history of Israel - well nuff said about that. It does surprise me that Margaret claims to be a Canadian because here in Canada there is very little division in our support of Israels right to be a nation. We support Palestine as well but do not support these attacks. Israel has every right to defend itself and I am proud that my country will be at her side if we are needed.

So will America. Anyone who thinks this will not happen is wrong about that. This is happening because Obama is very weak on the international field of play. He has no repsect especially in the Arab / Muslim world and that makes him one of the most incompetent Presidents you have ever had.

Thursday November 15, 2012, 8:07 pm

Even Dinesh D'Souza? Wow! That does drop him and Cam into a low category. Did you ever consider checking the facts before you submit this or it is all this just entertainment to you? Real human beings are being slaughter, so that Bibi can hope to win a re-election.

Thursday November 15, 2012, 11:43 pm
Well Kit people do strange things to win an election for sure but start a war? I don't think even Obama would have gone that far and Bibi is trying to protect his country and his people. Many of whom are Palestinians living inside their borders and under their protection. Don't see them fighting to get out and back into Palestine. They like it quite fine where they are.

It is always sad when people are involved in this and I suppose it is easy for us here to judge others when we do not have to worry about the thirty missiles the Palestinians shot at Israel in one day.

The sad thing about all of this is if this escalates into a full blown war we will help Israel if they ask us to. Canada and America both. So that endangers our people as well.

Thursday November 15, 2012, 11:44 pm
Margaret Mayer ... you still here? Why? Take your hate and make like a bee.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 12:13 pm
Kit: Bibi needs to "slaughter" people to help him become re-elected?

Saturday November 17, 2012, 12:36 pm
kit speaks for mm when she is not here. note how care2 keep removing her, must be the poison she spreads.

I have some wonderful photos of resurrections after funerals, bomb attacks and the same woman losing several houses. I have also seen pictures of targeted Israeli school buses, schools and other childrens' places. A big difference.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 1:12 pm
I seem to remember a certain clip CNN aired of a supposed massacre some years ago. They aired it once and once only. Three times the guy fell off the stretcher. The third time he got up and walked away. Prior to that there was the young boy who the Palestinians claimed was killed by Israeli fire and the world of course as usual goes nuts. It is subsequently proven that it was Palestinian friendly fire if not out and out murder that killed the child. No one is ever prosecuted and the world is silent.
Then again, what can we expect from people who consider the populace as collateral pawns to be sacrificed for a sound bite and gullible world opinion? These are the people who use UN observer posts and civilians as human shields; place rocket and mortar placements on top of schools; hospitals and along side mosques where people worship.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 1:58 pm
Isn't technology great! They can't screw with us as much as they used to.
Arabs have no principles, so I'm not surprised at this.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 2:58 pm
The whole country is fake- what do you expect? I have lost all sympathy for the Palestinians after all those rockets.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 3:04 pm
You know what really surprised me is CNN doing an actual 'news" report and using this very fake footage in it!

.... and Americans are to beleive their news is truthful when they use proven propaganda to report it? Even worse it was ANDERSON COOPER in keeping them honest who did this. So much for honesty Anderson.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 3:34 pm
I am not a conspiracy theorist at any time. But I have my strong suspicions that this present situation has been contrived by Netenyahu with the intention of escalating it so providing a valid reason to attack Iran.

It is easy enough to provoke the already disgruntled Palestinians and Bibi has never been backward in exploiting people's biases for his own ideological advantage. The whole scenario is a Martin and McCoy tit for tat permanent hate saga. Neither side are free from taint, least of all Israel. The beginnings were when Palestine was a British "Protectorate" which was sold down the line, aided, and abetted, by U S A and France to assuage a conscience from allowing the holocaust to happen. Prior to 1948 Palestine was an homogeneous society that contained varying sects of Christians, Jews and Islamics, all living "Relatively" in peace. Israel was the instigator of the problems when they stole lands and property, then exiled non Jews from their own homes.
It is true that there is no going back but there will be no solution until both sides recognise the blame game is not a one way street. When Israel gives back the stolen property to Palestinians and they, in turn, acknowledge that believers in other faiths (& none) have a an equally valid right to their way of life , then, and only then, can they all live in collective harmony.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 3:38 pm
How can Bibi be the one to instigate this when it is Palestine that continues to lob missiles at Israel Tom? All they have to do is stop doing that and all will be well. It is Egypt and Iran that is supplying them with those missiles btw so it would seem like your conspiracy holds no water?

Saturday November 17, 2012, 4:29 pm
Another interesting post thanks Cam.
It's depressing that the only achievements of the Palestinians over the past 64 years are the perfection of the suicide belt and the skill to smuggle thousands of rockets into Gaza so they can target Israeli civilians.
I suppose I shouldn't forget their Oscar standard acting abilities which many of the foreign press swallow hook, line and sinker.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 4:53 pm
Ah, yes, Israeli bombs simply bounce off victims. All those children versed in how to play dead for the cameras. Shocking!

Saturday November 17, 2012, 4:57 pm
Achieving Peace will take a lot of dedicated work, and true compassion for all concerned. Many of the comments here have the same smell of fermenting extremism as the horrific events unfolding do ...... Far better to be a part of the solution than add to the problem. Find ways to unify and bring together diverging forces rather than stoking up the already stampeding flames of war and suffering.
Unfortunately what we see in the media is not always what it seems... But missiles really do maim and kill...and my(non-religeous)prayers are that somehow, someway a Peace deal Will be made and no more lives will be lost to the abuse of hatred's and war's.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 4:57 pm
Is Cam an official lobbyist for Israel?

Saturday November 17, 2012, 4:58 pm
Thanks, Cam. That's why, after viewing so many documented films of Palestinians faking deaths, being attacked and injured, they're often referred to as the FAKESTINIANS.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 5:00 pm
Tom Edgar, if all Arab clans lived with each other in peace and harmony when British ruled over the remnants of Ottoman Empire, we would now have only one Arab state.

The cause for multiple states is inter-clan racism and intolerance.

Needless to say, Arab-initiated pogroms of Jews in 1929 had nothing to do with Israel. And Arab gasing of Kurds in Iraq has nothing to do with Israel either.

Your suggestion that Arabs are entitled to ALL lands of the Middle East does not make sense:
* They got 22 Arab countries, and a separate country for Palestinian Arabs - Jordan.
* None of the 22 Arab countries provided democratic and safe environment for women and monirities;
* The new country will be obviously extremist, militant and follow Sharia.

Why would anyone other than hard-core Islamist want to have it to happen?

Saturday November 17, 2012, 5:03 pm
Cam has the courage to tell the truth, even when it's popular (and grossly uninformed, biased press towards the Fakestinians (I like that) to side with the liars and antisemites.

Thanks, Cam. I know you're going to get a lot of grief, but you know and the people who really do take the time to find out about Pallywood, as has been documented numerous times for those interested in the truth, and tell it as it really is. The truth needs to be know, albeit unpopular and falling on closed minds.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 5:54 pm
This is a left wing site Patricia. It is run and controlled by progressive liberals. Strange things HAVE been taking place in the news threads these past couple of weeks. It is also well know that the far left has always been a supporter of Palestine because they see those people as the underdog - which they are.

However that being said they fail to take into account the fact that Iran and now Egypt via the Muslim Brotherhood and Muslim extremists are manipulationg the Palestinian people. THEY are the ones supplying them with rockets to harass and kill the Jews with and the Jews have every right to respond in kind.

STOP THE MISSILES. Then perhaps peace will come?

Saturday November 17, 2012, 6:01 pm
Jeffery, when I was a lad in the fifties here in Canada I used to deliver papers. I came from dirt poor roots and when I say poor I mean poor. During my deliveries I befriended an older couple who had escaped the death camps of the second world war. They had nothing left but each other and had met AFTER the war was over so basically had just each other. The stories they told me would pin your ears back. I was a teen and old enough to hear them. The kindness they gave me was to this day something I have never experienced again in my lifetime. In spite of all they had suffered they still loved the world and all the people in it. It was their ability to not hate even those who had taken everything from them that taught me all about forgiveness and tolerance. They also taught me that if we are to forget history it will be repeated.

Every war that has ever been fought has been fought over religion. The middle east has changed hands so many times over the centuries it is my thought that land belongs to everyone. Who is the best caretaker? The Jews are because they are the most tolerant. They took that land and turned it into a garden. They unearth religious history EVERY DAY there and do they blow it up as we have seen the radical Muslim sect doing in the middle east? NO, THEY PROTECT IT FOR ALL OF US. Muslim, Christian, Jew ..... makes no difference to them.

Would the Muslims be as kind? I think they would but we are taking about countries in the middle east that are now being taken over by the most violent and most radical sects of the Muslim faiths. So would they take such great care with the history of the earth? They in fact have demonstrated they would not.

So am I an advocate for Israel? Yes I am and proud to be called one.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 6:59 pm
Here's the deal whether any of you pally lovers like it or not. OR whether you believe in God or not...TO bad , so sad, that entire area that those gypsy's live in called Palestinians, do not belong there PERIOD! That land was ordained by the one and only true living God, for Israel!!! NO ONE ELSE, in 1948 when Israel became a nation. Got it? Israel did NOT fire first but is not putting up with these filthy gypsy's, that NO ONE ELSE IN THE ARAB WORLD WANT'S EITHER! Israel, is done with this nonsense and is going to blow the living "you know what" out of these thugs. They even sent fliers to warn the innocents what they were going to do...Far more than they were ever required to do. I hope that they wipe Palestine off the face of the map, reclaim their land back from the cockroaches that are there now and then blow Iran and Imanutjob off the planet. This country had better wake the you know what up and God clearly stated that "GOD help ANY Nation that turns it's back on Israel" As his wrath will soon be spilled out on you!!!

Saturday November 17, 2012, 6:59 pm
Hmmmm, an interesting thread. Seems you can't trust things even on Care2. Just wish those instigating war and destruction could feel some real compasion and stop hating!!!

Saturday November 17, 2012, 7:49 pm
Noted, tweeted, tweeted and shared. I am an old woman; this has been going on for too long. There needs to be some compromise on both sides. The Palestinians want their own home land much like the Jews did in 1948. Unfortunately, the Palestinians are divided into two groups; those who are willing to compromise and those who are militant and refuse to give up anything. Fairness doesn't count here; might makes or at least controls right. Israel is not going to give up everything because they remember when they tried to pacify the Germans and other cultures, and it didn't work. Some in Israel are willing to give up SOME things, but when they are in power, the militant Palestinians refuse to compromise. More and more people die on both sides; sad that extremists on both sides seem to have the power. It kind of reminds me of our Congress during the last eight years. GOP refuses any compromise and always votes "No." Democrats get tired and then refuse to give in on any points. We in this country and they in the Middle East need to work together for a better world for all. Don't see it happening, but we should learn from history.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 8:30 pm
I "shared" this on Facebook a while back. Here is (a slightly edited) excerpt from the discussion that followed.

The trouble is that with so much external involvement by countries led by politicians who want to be seen as doing the right thing, propaganda has become a full-blown front in war. By attracting allies or removing them from one's enemy, it substantially alters the power-balance in negotiations over the object of war. This sort of propaganda from Palestinians is disgusting, but to be expected. What I find really troublesome here is the BBC's complicity. Had it just applied the same sort of rigour which it claims to apply elsewhere to reports coming out of this conflict, the video in question would not have gotten through. More generally, I am bothered by the regular acceptance, by news-media of low-quality propaganda.

For example, one of the major calls to arms in the 2nd Intifada, which left thousands dead, was global acceptance of the al-Dura report, of Israeli soldiers firing from impossible angles (through solid stone walls with assault-weapons which are designed for low power as this is needed for high refire-rates without excessive kick), leaving pock-marks on a wall which showed that the bullets came from an entirely different direction from where the soldiers supposedly were, and killing a child whose identity was never independently confirmed. Never mind the accusations that the original video had the kid moving after "dying", stonewalling by the AFP against requests for the original video, deletion of the relevant segment when the case arose in court, and the resulting judgment of the case: That alone should have been enough for everyone to dismiss the report. Instead, it was accepted and in response, people again demanded that Israel "show restraint" rather than nip the insurgency in the bud and crush it before many more people died. These news-agencies, and the human-rights groups and peace-activists who act upon the reports they provide, have prolonged the both individual rounds of violence and the conflict as a whole. They are not murderers, but they have enabled the needless deaths of at least hundreds in this conflict alone.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 8:32 pm
Free G I never said this was a religious conflict but every war that has ever been fought has been done so over religion. Study the history of Jerusalem and you will be amazed at how many times it changed hands only back in the days it was mostly between Muslims and Christians.

As for land Israel has a right to exist. They ended up with extra land when they had to fight a war they did not start but HAD to win and win they did. The extra land they took keeps a defendable distance between them and the radicals out to eradicate them. Just the way it is.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 8:59 pm
I am by far no expert the the history between Israel and Palestine, and only know the most basic information. Perhaps I should not even be in the conversation, but what seems to be at issue is the expansion of Israel into Palestinian lands. Perhaps I am wrong and there it is much more complicated this. But I cannot help but ask, what I have often wondered, why cannot Israel agree to border? Why for the sake of peace cannot both sides agree to a simple border? I know kind people from both places and love them dearly. Yet, why must Israel continue to push the Palestinians further out even if they are replacing dust with gardens? What seems to be at issue is the right for each to exist. Perhaps if this concept were respected by both countries could there be peace? And no more bombs ever? I also find the timing of all this quite interesting, a week or two after the American election. One of course cannot help but think that this was preconceived and there is much more going on than what we are being fed. What is the benefit to the Palestinians to fire bombs when they must certainly realize that the West will defend Israel, unless they are being used as a pawn to go after the real target which my guess would be Iran. Again, forgive my ignorance, as my interest is in the environment not religion, diplomacy or war. I simply wish we would all choose peace and for decades could not understand why we have not.

Saturday November 17, 2012, 11:24 pm
Great article Cam!! I had read this a couple days ago and thought it really takes all kinds in order to try and promote a ;lie! It seems lies, deceit and corruption are the only things some people live for today!!

Sunday November 18, 2012, 1:04 am
Racist Zionists show their true colours:

"Israel did NOT fire first but is not putting up with these filthy gypsy's, that NO ONE ELSE IN THE ARAB WORLD WANT'S EITHER! Israel, is done with this nonsense and is going to blow the living "you know what" out of these thugs. They even sent fliers to warn the innocents what they were going to do...Far more than they were ever required to do. I hope that they wipe Palestine off the face of the map, reclaim their land back from the cockroaches that are there now and then blow Iran and Imanutjob off the planet. This country had better wake the you know what up and God clearly stated that "GOD help ANY Nation that turns it's back on Israel" As his wrath will soon be spilled out on you!!! "

Sunday November 18, 2012, 2:28 am
Hi Pamela :)

There are a few reasons they cannot agree on borders, none of them pleasant.

First, there is the obvious dispute over where the borders would be.

The simplest dimension of this is military, specifically strategic depth. Remember, the two sides may agree to peace, but that is no guarantee that it would last very long. Military forces can move freely on their side of the border, and move quickly once they cross. In order to have time to respond and defend themselves, countries need a bit of a buffer-zone. This is, for example, why Ottawa is the capital of Canada rather than the two obvious choices of the time, Montreal or Toronto. On top of that, these days, artillery-ranges are on the scale of the whole region. strategic depth was a major issue in the wars of 1967 and 1973: In 1967, Israel could not afford to let Arab forces cross the border before it acted because they would immediately be on top of Israeli industrial and population-centres. Between the expected massacres and destruction (which Arab leaders had declared that they intended to command), and the near-impossibility of taking a city intact after an enemy has had time to prepare defences, that would likely have been the end of Israel. In 1973, this was almost exactly what happened, but through unbelievable luck and whole lot of deception, a single tank managed to hold off the Syrian army long enough for Israel to respond.

Then there is the cultural side of things: Both sides demand Jerusalem as their capitals. The city cannot be divided as that would be the most extreme loss of strategic depth possible, putting their government-centres within firing-range (at least of artillery, if not long-range rifles) of a border of an distrusted peace. Beside that, both sides demand contiguity of their territory. The only way to achieve that would be to give Palestinians territory wrapping around Israel, north or south of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. That would mean transferring either Tel Aviv or Eilat, both major Israeli ports and homes to, respectively, 400,000 Israelis and 40,000. It is not going to happen.

Then there is the demographic side: The general demand these days is to divide the region by where Israelis and Palestinians live, but to remove all Israelis from the Palestinian side while permitting Arabs who identify themselves as Palestinians to remain in Israel. The trouble is that this would inevitably lead to local majorities of Palestinians in some places on the Israeli side of the border, as is the case along any border, but not vice-versa. Then, having established the precedent of setting the borders by demographics, there would be demands that the border be pushed, and this would repeat until war breaks out again. (This why I believe it is necessary to maintain the settlements in order to achieve lasting peace. Israel could threaten to demand a land-swap if Palestine were to try pushing like this, and the settlements are major commercial and industrial centres, as far as the West Bank and Gaza strip are concerned.)

Second, there are motivations, for Palestinian leaders, to maintain the conflict.

Palestinian leaders do not hold the loyalty of all Palestinian people, or even armed forces, in the way that functional Western governments hold the loyalty of all of theirs. Each major political party has its own militia, and those militias fight each other on occasion. Political power there does not come from gaining favour with the general Palestinian population, but specifically with violent people who would join militias. A party of peace is not going to be able to recruit the numbers of violent members it would need to survive Palestinian internal politics. That is why none have.

Also, look up the "spoiling" dynamic here:
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/is3101_pp049-080_kydd_walter.pdf
(It's a little old, but still the best academic work on the topic I have ever seen.) In short, when peace seems imminent, the more zealous faction becomes more attractive as it seems that one would get a better deal. In this case "zealous" means violent. This is why, when the only member of the Israeli parliament who opposed the peace-negotiations from the start, Ariel Sharon, tried to rehabilitate himself into Israeli politics by accepting an invitation from Arafat to visit the al-Aqsa Mosque as a show of goodwill, the Second Intifada broke out.

Third, the issue of trust in this case is truly exceptional.

They have a protracted conflict lasting generations. Hostility is all that the dominant generations of each side have ever known for the other, at least at the political scale. (On small scales, many Israelis and Palestinians do get along, but Israel's war is against the militant factions, not the general Palestinian population.) On top of that, Palestinians are legally stateless. There is a strong suspicion among Israelis that the primary functional difference of Palestinians having a state is that it would become legal for other countries to sell them advanced military-grade weapons, and that peace is just an empty promise being used to get those, with which they would seek a real war of conquest. That alone would put it near the least trustful relationship ever, but all of that is tiny compared to the real problem.

Israel maintains the Western tradition of non-genocidal war-resolution while Arabs generally maintain that of the old Caliphate. I imagine you are familiar with much of the Western tradition, which grew from the terms of conquest demanded by empires from Babylon through Rome, medieval Europe, and since: Both nations remain intact, even if one abides by the other's laws, maintains no armed force, and pays taxes to the other's leader, and received protection under the other's laws and defence from the other's army. The Caliphate had different terms of conquest: The defeated side did not gain status as subjects, but became stateless clients (Dhimmi), purchasing protection under the law and military defence, but not having right to it like full subjects. The defeated side's members only gained such rights upon conversion and adoption of the Caliphate's culture. Essentially, the defeated nation was annihilated by conversion, without the killing of all of its members. Each side will only ever demand peace according to its own traditions, either finding the other model extremely repulsive or untrustworthy. (Imagine Jews demanding conversion, or Arabs suddenly demanding terms which, through their entire history, have only led to massacre.) Each side will only accept peace according to its own traditions for the same reasons.

Despite all of this, I believe there is a chance for peace. I expect it would take another fifty years, minimum, but within two generations cultures can change, In only a few years, Palestinians could establish internal order, and international politics can change so that foreign powers stop demanding terms of peace which would never lead to a lasting one, but the difference of traditions will take generations to overcome.

Sunday November 18, 2012, 2:32 am
Hi again Pamela :)

I hope you found my previous response informative. If you want more information, especially regarding the difference of traditions, just let me know. The article Walter and Kidd article is also generally worth a read, and isn't really as long as it looks. (There are a few pages of tables and only about half of each page is actually filled with text.)

Sunday November 18, 2012, 3:39 am
Who can believe what BBC shows or tells ? It's a long time when they could be trusted.

Sunday November 18, 2012, 5:00 am
"Well Kit people do strange things to win an election for sure but start a war? I don't think even Obama would have gone that far"

Yes, but Dubya did.

Sunday November 18, 2012, 7:17 am
I stopped believing anything CNN or BBC, and most of the others, say and do more reading on the internet. Once I saw the videos showing the fake Palestinian 'deaths' and 'wounded' I don't believe any of anything they say any more. Why are these so-called 'news' networks filming and broadcasting staged demonstrations too? You think they don't know about the fake 'victims'? Of course, they do. It's the propaganda they want to make us all believe. They're no better than Fox Spews. They're all biased.

Note they don't mention the cowardly Hamas terrorists are firing their daily rockets into Israel (almost 13,000 just this year!) from residential neighbourhoods and next to schools, using children and women as shields. Disgusting perverts, but then they don't think women or children are there for anything but to fulfill their male needs (notice I don't call them 'manly' as they are nothing of the kind - no real man would be such a coward and risk the safety of children, the elderly and women, let alone their homes).

And why would these so-called 'news' agencies be using Palestinians to collect their reports?! No wonder they are so biased!!! Of course, the average ill-informed person will gobble it all up as truth without question.

Sunday November 18, 2012, 7:51 am
BREAKING NEWS: "BBC and CNN both ran the Pallywood footage supplied by Reuters. CNN recants, the BBC denies the evidence while Reuters claims not to know where the footage even came from." (How can Reuters 'not know' where there own news footage came from?? How lame and only makes anything they produce unbelievable from now on.)

http://honestreporting.com/update-bbc-and-cnn-react-to-pallywood-video-footage/

Good for CNN for recanting their running of this, another bogus Palestinian-filmed video of 'victims', but the damage was done when they showed it. Will they learn a lesson? Doubt it since they've shown things like this before.

The BBC has shown its stupid blind bias and refuses to admit they were had. We quit watching either of these two faux 'news' agencies long ago.

Sunday November 18, 2012, 7:52 am
A miracle--- cured by 7th century medicine --nothing like a big glass of camel urine to revive the fakir

Sunday November 18, 2012, 8:31 am

First, I speak only for myself and my own thinking. I have asked even and pleaded that these discussions have a civil tone. I would by now hope that Cam is well acquainted with my sense of humor, and use of sarcasm. If you were offended, Cam than I apologize.

Wars are generated for many reasons, most are about political power and gains for those in power. The blame you wish allocate belongs to the leadership in Gaza and Israel. The "common man" cares not for war, and wishes only a opportunity to live in peace, offer shelter, food and medical care for himself (herself) and their families. Neither the people of Gaza, nor the people of Israel are (to use a common if misused phrase) not "evil" they are not different than yourself. Think of your own desires for your life. All people on this beleaguered planet have almost identical desires.

At this point in time, I am wondering if a coalition of countries can stop this violence and then, even to the objection of both parties, manage and monitor the situation. We can not impose peace, but we can force a cease fire, and perhaps intervention is the one answer we have not used. Even if that intervention is with "boots on the ground." Probably best done with a United Nations coalition of troops and UN monitors. The violence must end, not one thing has been gained by either the Israelis or the Palestinian people, in all of these wars.

Only one article that I read, goes beyond giving either sensational and slanted stories or clinical news facts. That one goes beyond the expected death and mayhem, and looks to the children. One Israeli woman, in a shelter described the the children, the young children that are able to identify the rockets and missiles from Israel or Gaza. I can not be supportive of war, time has proven this simply ends in more destruction, pain and grief. I do believe there are resolutions, even should that mean those resolutions do not please each side.

Is not true that compromise is a basic negotiation process in which both parties give up something that they want in order to get something else they want more. Compromises usually occur in win-lose situations -- when there is a fixed "pie" to be divided up, and whatever one side gets, the other side loses. In compromise situations, neither side gets all of what they really want, but they each make concessions in order to reach an agreement that is acceptable to both. This must be the goal for a future of no more rockets, bombs or harassment with military weapons, this is rational people trying to find a way to vouchsafe the children and their future.

"In war, there are no winners." --- Ramman Kenoun

Sunday November 18, 2012, 8:39 am

Of course, Cam history teaches us that leaders the world over start wars for that reason alone, to distract, from their own lack of ability to govern, turning the emotion of the people toward fear, with the intended consequence of gaining the votes of those in fear. I really do not believe the "not even Obama" comment fits into any discussion. Whether one likes or dislikes the man, he is the duly elected leader, president of the United States. I could haul out some old republican presidents that did begin wars, for the singular reason of being elected, but is that really the point?

Sunday November 18, 2012, 9:40 am
Thanks for the notice that this might be FAKE, R&J!

Sunday November 18, 2012, 11:35 am
Kit, I have the greatest respect for you even though we are on opposite sides but this one time we can both agree that any death at the hands of man made weapons is a travesty. I hate this as much as anyone else especially when you know innocent people are in the middle of it.

A lot of people think the right just hates Muslims but that is not the case. They are the largest growing religion on earth and most of them want the same thing the rest of us do for our family and friends. If it were up to them I think peace in Israel would have been made years ago. I had a conversation with a Muslim friend of mine and he said they don't speak out against the violence because of the radical sect in that faith.

They are dangerous and have no qualms about killing your children and family in front of you before they either let you live to try and live with that horror or kill you. So they say nothing to protect themselves. It is a shame.

Monday November 19, 2012, 1:52 am
doncha love it? israel has always been the land of miracles.
of course the greatest miracle would be for peace to descend gently onto that troubled region. in my lifetime? time's running out there!