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Vatican Shocker: Pope to Resign for the First Time in 600 Years


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Angelika
- 431 days ago - nymag.com
Pope Benedict XVI stunned the world by announcing he will step down as the leader of the Catholic Church at the end of the month, citing ill health.



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Angelika R. (143)
Monday February 11, 2013, 5:17 am
"Strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me," the 85-year-old pontiff said.

The pope's brother, Georg Ratzinger, said Benedict "had been advised by his doctor not to take any more transatlantic trips," contributing to his decision. Rumors that the pope might resign because of his health have existed since at least 2011.

The last pope to resign was Gregory XII in 1415, to end a civil war within the church. Prior to that, the last pope to willingly resign was Pope Saint Celestine V, who abdicated in 1294. Benedict visited Celestine V's tomb in 2011, which some Vatican watchers interpreted as a sign that he might someday follow suit.

A papal conclave of the church's cardinals will convene in February to elect the next pope. Possible frontrunners include Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana, along with the conservative Cardinal Angelo Scola of Milan and Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras. British oddsmaker Ladbrokes has Turkson as the 5/2 favorite.
 

Arielle S. (313)
Monday February 11, 2013, 6:08 am
Interesting and a little strange - I wonder if that's the whole story? Not fond of this pope so ....
 

Angelika R. (143)
Monday February 11, 2013, 10:41 am
Arielle, I imagine we will learn more as the breaking story is developing
 

Laurie Greenberg (11)
Monday February 11, 2013, 12:11 pm
If he is actually resigning, it must be too advanced to go unnoticed anymore. Otherwise, the church would cover for him. I don't expect a great deal of policy change no matter who is elected to be the next pope. I simply do not think that the church as a whole WANTS to change and become more accepting of all people.
 

Dandelion G. (399)
Monday February 11, 2013, 3:32 pm
Sorry to hear if his health is that bad, but I give him credit that he would step down knowing his own abilities or lack of to perform his duties. I'm not all that familiar with the Catholic Church so if there is more to it than that I'll leave it for the more knowledged.
 

Christopher M. (4)
Monday February 11, 2013, 6:29 pm
Well there is only one more pope. And then what?
 

JL A. (269)
Monday February 11, 2013, 8:36 pm
I wonder whether the Cardinal from Ghana being a frontrunner suggest that some view papal policies as too ethnocentric...
 

Angelika R. (143)
Monday February 11, 2013, 8:41 pm
possibly so, JL, but as for myself, I would welcome a black pope! (Although the office does not mean anything to me)
 

Christopher M. (4)
Monday February 11, 2013, 9:39 pm
Didnt Nostradamus say black pope?
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 1:39 pm
@Christopher - well,yes, but it has also been often suggested that this could have meant "president" as well.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (465)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 2:19 pm
SNAP calls Pope Benedict a "failure"

Pope Benedict XVI's announcement that he will step aside this month means "he still has two weeks" to take action against child sex abuse by church staff, a US victims' group has said.

A statement by SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, said:

"No matter how tired or weak Pope Benedict may be, he still has two weeks to use his vast power to protect youngsters. Before he steps down, we hope he will show true leadership and compassion and take tangible action to safeguard vulnerable children.

Imagine the shock waves - and the hope - that would be generated if, in his waning days, the pontiff demoted, disciplined, or defrocked even a handful of bishops who are concealing child sex crimes. And imagine the deterrent that would be to present and future cover ups."
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (465)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 2:28 pm
Entire Statement by SNAP spokesperson: [Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests]:

No matter how tired or weak Pope Benedict may be, he still has two weeks to use his vast power to protect youngsters. Before he steps down, we hope he will show true leadership and compassion and take tangible action to safeguard vulnerable children.

(Imagine the shock waves Ė and the hope Ė that would be generated if, in his waning days, the pontiff demoted, disciplined, or defrocked even a handful of bishops who are concealing child sex crimes. And imagine the deterrent that would be to present and future cover ups.)

Itís reckless to assume the next pope will handle abuse and cover ups better. Vigilance, not complacency, protects kids. The next pope must be judged by his actual track record, not by our naÔve assumptions.

Pope Benedict followed the same script church officials have used for years, speaking of abuse in oblique terms and only when forced to do so, ignoring the cover ups, using past tense (as if to pretend clergy sex crimes and cover ups are not still happening now). Instead of taking sweeping, proactive steps to deter wrongdoing, he offered only belated verbal apologies and ineffective symbolic gestures.

He publicly spoke about the crisis more than his predecessor but that alone is no achievement. Thatís simply because disclosures of cover-up at the highest levels became widely documented during his tenure.

Whether a leader says more or less than his predecessor on a topic is irrelevant. Actions matter, not words. And when it comes to action, Pope Benedict has done painfully little to expose predators, punish enablers and safeguard children.

Whether or not a sentence or phrase is unprecedented matters little. What matters is whether a personís actions, in a tangible way, make children safer. On that score, Pope Benedict, like most of the church hierarchy, is dreadfully disappointing.

Itís frustrating to see some give the Pope credit for uttering, in 2005, a few words about ďfilth in the church.Ē And itís frustrating to see some praise the Pope for his tepid response to the horrors inflicted on children by Fr. Marcial Maciel. The Pope is the most powerful religious figure on the planet. Such tokenism is beneath him.

The pope still has two weeks. Children need him to take decisive action to protect them. We hope he will do so.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday February 12, 2013, 2:30 pm
You cannot currently send a star to BMutiny because you have done so within the last week.

...IMAGINE.....
 

Sam E M. (0)
Wednesday February 13, 2013, 6:19 am
It would be tiring for anybody to sustain all that travelling and responsibility, let alone an 85-year-old. It takes courage to admit he's not up to it any longer and to stand down. Let's hope they choose a much younger and physically fitter pope this time and let's wish a happy retirement to Benedict WVI and a few more years to enjoy it. :)
 

Sam E M. (0)
Wednesday February 13, 2013, 6:22 am
Oops, typing error, that should be (of course) Benedict XVI. Bless him. :)
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 14, 2013, 8:19 pm
I was never raised in a Christian setting, it was non-religious and very spiritual. But my wife mentioned that it is Ash Wednesday and there is a 40 day celebration. I an not sure of all the details. I am told that giving up something for lent is a tradition.

My wife is Catholic and is debating if she was going to give up anything for lent this Friday or next? I am not sure if the readers are practicing but next week is very special.

Again, my wife really hasnít decided. I think she is going to give up chocolate tomorrow and next Friday she might give up meat and go vegetarian. Some Catholics give up candy. Some give up fish.

Again next week is very special, I hear one famous Catholic is giving up being the Pope!

SoÖ the least we could do is show our support and give up somethingÖ donít you think?
 

Angelika R. (143)
Friday February 15, 2013, 3:57 pm
Quite a unique comment there, thanks Raven! :)
I am not catholic, not familiar with that usus, but it would not hurt if I gave up SOME chocolate, may take magnesia capsules intead..
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (465)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 5:22 am
My bet is on Cardinal Scola of Milan.
After a "bad press" with a German, the first German Pope since the eleventh century, I think they will go back to the "safety" of an Italian Pope, as usual.
Also, as far as I know, Cardinal Scola's hands are as clean as anyone in the Roman Catholic Church's hands can be - with regard to the CHILD RAPE COVERUP.

The Pope was ASKED TO RESIGN. Given an ULTIMATUM. By the Vatican Secretary of State, who has won the power struggle to be Top Dog at the Vatican at the moment. {I forget his name, but he is one tough-looking Italian cleric.} It is only incidentally having to do with Ratzinger's health.
The REAL reason, is because there are pending cases of CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, to be argued at The Hague. The Pope and the Catholic Hierarchy are being accused of a massive coverup of CHILD RAPE, involving a CONSISTENT PLAN and OFFICIAL POLICY of the Church, to move the guilty priests from parish to parish, and even from country to country, to find NEW VICTIMS.
In the U.S., the Catholic Hierarchy and the Pope, could be CHARGED UNDER THE RICO LAWS.
The Pope's actual SIGNATURE is on some DAMNING DOCUMENTS that would condemn him in any Court.
Also, Public Opinion is STRONGLY AGAINST THE CHURCH.
Another CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY the Pope is being charged with, is forbidding Catholics to use Condoms, ever, for anything - thus CONTRIBUTING SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE SPREAD OF AIDS - especially in Africa and undeveloped countries {where people have no access to either Condoms, or Health information, or Health care when they get AIDS}.
This is certainly also a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.

The Catholic Hierarchy believes that without Ratzinger as Head of the Church, the case might "blow over". It would be even BETTER if the Pope were DEAD. Count on it, the now-ex-Pope will be DEAD WITHIN THE YEAR, or more like 6 months if that long, of "natural causes" or what will be made to APPEAR as "Natural Causes". This is quite plausible, as the Pope IS frail and in poor health, and uses a Pacemaker.
Also, from what I have read in the European Press, the Pope appears to have been suffering from Clinical Depression for some time. This is not surprising, as the Pope has COMPLETELY FAILED in what he set out to do, namely to "re-Christianize Europe" as he put it at the beginning of his term as Pope. [He must feel "guilty before God", if he actually BELIEVES any of that stuff.]

Pope's are in it until they DIE, no matter how old, frail, in poor health, etc. - because they are CHOSEN BY GOD.
I am very interested in the fate of the Catholic Church - I hope it goes DOWN, can't be soon enough! People can worship and believe whatever they wish - as an INSTITUTION, the Roman Catholic Church is totally, totally CORRUPT, beyond hope of redemption. People would be better off worshiping in each others' living rooms, or out in Nature, or in some other building, one not connected to the Catholic Church and its Dictatorship/Hierarchy! Which has NO PLACE in a Democratic, or a modern, society!

This posting of mine is based on ONGOING RESEARCH I am doing, on the Vatican - using and combining SEVERAL news sources, mostly foreign ones!
So, if my predictions turn out TRUE - you heard it here first!
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (465)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 6:48 am
"Papabili" or "Pope-ables" include:

Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana, who has defended Uganda's notorious anti-gay "Kill the Gays" Bill;

Cardinal Francis Arinze of Nigeria, "Provoked a protest demonstration at Georgetown University in 2003, when he suggested that same-sex relations were morally equivalent to adultery, fornication, and pornography. A similar protest followed in London when Cardinal Arinze insisted that alter girls should remain immobile during Mass." {HUH?}

Cardinal Marc Ouellet of Quebec {Canada} "has asserted that the Catholic Church is persecuted in modern Quebec for trying to maintain its religious traditions." "In a May 2010 statement, Ouellet confirmed he opposed abortion even in case of rape..."

Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga of Honduras, has a reputation as a "moderate" but he has stated publicly that pro-choice politicians may not receive Holy Communion. "Rodriguez also denounced singer Ricky Martin for employing a surrogate mother to have children."

Cardinal Angelo Scola of Milan {Italy}, "one of the few Italians who are thought to have a chance at election, worked closely with Benedict when the Pope was still merely Joseph Ratzinger on the traditionalist theological journal 'Communio'. The publication was founded in 1972 to compete with the modernist 'Concilium' journal,which promoted Pope John XXIII's Vatican II reforms."

Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle of Manila {Philippines}, "told bishops gathered for a ... synod in Rome last October, that the Church should listen more and admit its mistakes". [Hmmmm... that guy HASN'T A CHANCE...]

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Any Americans are out of the running, as Europeans all think America has too much power anyway; and that, to sum up, an American Pope would work for American interests rather than the interests of the Church.

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My bet is on Cardinal Angelo Scola of Milan, as the NEXT POPE!
After a "bad press" with a German, the first German Pope since the eleventh century, I think they will go back to the "safety" of an Italian Pope, as usual.
Also, as far as I know, Cardinal Scola's hands are as clean as anyone in the Roman Catholic Church's hands can be - with regard to the CHILD RAPE COVERUP.

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Fact from Opinion:

My GUESS is as to who is going to be the next Pope.

There are actually SEVERAL groups moving forward, or trying to, with cases against the entire Catholic Church, and the Pope, for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.

How far along these cases actually are, has NOT "been released yet".

But, the Church is OBVIOUSLY TAKING THESE CASES SERIOUSLY.

They are PREPARING FOR TROUBLE.

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My GUESS, is, that it will be the Italian guy.

The REASON, is, that as far as I KNOW, the Pedophile Priest can-o-worms, seems to be LESS prominent in Italy. In Italy, the Big Scandal was and is, Gay Priests having Sex WITH EACH OTHER. People THEIR OWN AGE. And male prostitutes, and Gay Bars where Priests hang out. And having Gay Sex RIGHT IN THE VATICAN! Oooooooooh! Which is nothing for the Public to get incensed about, just a good laff at the HYPOCRISY...

So, the Italian might be the guy whose hands are CLEANEST...

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In the Third World, CATHOLIC PRIESTS RAPE NUNS - considering them as the Priests' "property" - this is a NEW SCANDAL just WAITING to hit the Internet and Public Awareness... waiting in the wings...

That's why I don't think it will be a "Third World" candidate...

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I think the ex-Pope will be OFFED, if he doesn't die CONVENIENTLY before that, because THAT'S THE WAY RUTHLESS POWER ALWAYS WORKS..... think of the BORGIAS, they were Popes too!!!

That is MY OPINION; I do think the ex-Pope will be DEAD WITHIN A YEAR, and it will LOOK "natural"...

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YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST! I am interested in seeing if these Predictions WHICH ARE ENTIRELY MINE, I did NOT get them from any other source.... come true...

 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 1:55 pm
Barbara, you have a great chance to be correct. Personally, I won't dare to make any prediction as to the future fate of Benedict, but I alo think they will choose one out of Rome! Here we had many reports suggesting this as well. What a shame to even CONSIDER any of those above with so much dirt on their hands!
Thx for your input!
 
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