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Neo-Nazi Threat in New Ukraine: Watch BBC NEWSNIGHT VIDEO


World  (tags: Ukraine, Kiev, uprising, revolution, putsch, "Euromaidan", Svoboda, Right Sector, Nationalists, Neonazis, C14, Media spin, conflict, Crimea )

Angelika
- 193 days ago - youtube.com
The troubling racist element of the "inspiring" Ukrainian uprising has been mostly airbrushed from the U.S. media's narrative, but more honest sources of news have reported this disturbing reality. For instance, watch this report from the BBC



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Angelika R. (143)
Monday March 10, 2014, 10:47 am
Additional reading: Crimea’s Case for Leaving Ukraine

"If you were living in Crimea, would you prefer to remain part of Ukraine with its coup-installed government – with neo-Nazis running four ministries including the Ministry of Defense – or would you want to become part of Russia, which has had ties to Crimea going back to Catherine the Great in the 1700s?" - Robert Perry
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday March 10, 2014, 11:29 am

It is historically consistent that during times of financial insecurity the extreme right gains traction. Not as we all have seen because they have deep and moving answers, but surely because the use of physical harm is ever present. The opening of the video is nearly painful to see with those soldiers moving around the the streets.

Parry's article is a grim reminder that many are faced with some very tough decisions and like all tough times, there is little chance of changing minds.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Monday March 10, 2014, 12:45 pm
That is all so true Kit, and the more so it deliberately only little time IS GRANTED for informed minds. and that goes for all parties involved as well as for the "specttors" in all involved countries.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Monday March 10, 2014, 12:57 pm
it SHOULD shock every American and European to the bone that their governments have helped to bring to power a "government" "a little bit like Hitler", as the young ultra-nationalist saiys, and is about to support it now with billions more than they've alrrady invested in this coup.
Beneficiaries-as always -the banks, BigEnergy and the corrupt helpers.
Loosers: the people who got screwed again and trusted the wrong ones. And will get screwed even more.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Tuesday March 11, 2014, 1:15 pm
The Dark Side of the Ukraine Revolt
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday March 12, 2014, 1:34 pm
And, these are the type of people our tax dollars are aiding.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday March 12, 2014, 1:41 pm
Robert, exactly right- The SNAP CUT I assume also happened to put that money to "better use", like for the $10 billion for Ukraine's "democracy"..
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday March 12, 2014, 1:43 pm
Like the few enlightened Americans, Ukrainians too will be saying before long "are we liking our fascism yet?"
 

Birgit W. (144)
Wednesday March 12, 2014, 2:03 pm
Very scary.
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Wednesday March 12, 2014, 3:34 pm
From the US viewpoint: goal achieved. Move on there's nothing to see - only a betrayed people.

A very similar scenario has played out in various Middle Eastern Countries. Egypt (being one of them) has kicked out the Muslim Brothers which were installed by the US. Where will the Ukraine go? And what is waiting for the minorities? Will the US ever be held responsible for their crimes against humanity? And a what cost does this come to the American people?
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday March 12, 2014, 4:46 pm
One short answer to all questions above: they're ALL f..ed-except for the few oligarchs profiting on each side
 

Walter Firth (64)
Wednesday March 12, 2014, 8:14 pm
Ukraine needs to become part of Russia again for the mutual benefit of both.The old soviet union should never have been divided.As for the neo nazis, history still recalls how they welcomed their role models in ww2 and particaped in the murder of its Jewish citizens.Would a neo nazi regime do the same if it gained power.It is past the time when America shoud cease involvent in other countries domestic affairs.No good ever comes of it.
 

Arlene C. (130)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 5:00 am
MERCI ANGÉLIKA
 

John S. (304)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 9:49 am
The protestors do not represent the people of Ukraine. They represent a constituency. Yanukovych may not have been that popular, but the government had its supporters, especially in the country’s eastern areas. But I think it's safe to say that many Ukrainians (or anyone) likes to see a change in government produced from the streets. The U.S. and European officials who speak in favor of Ukraine’s European choice should recognize they are choosing sides in a domestic debate. Basically you are justifying the overthrow of the US government just because we were not happy with the reelection of George W. Bush in 2004, or Barack Obama in 2008.
 

Marija Mohoric (50)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 9:59 am
thank you Angelika
 

Panchali Yapa (13)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 11:45 am
Thank you
 

Elderberry C. (47)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 3:27 pm
Please see this
Ukraine: War on 15 March?

http://www.gerhard-wisnewski.de/Multilingual/english/War-on-15-March.html
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 3:58 pm
Elderberry, thanks for this interesting link - I've also listened to the interview and G. Wisnewski draws quite a clear but nonetheless bleak picture. I believe he's right when he states that the ultimate goal is to "take" Russia. Maybe not in the classical sense of physical occupation but today there are more subtle ways to achieve the same goal.

He thinks that for now the West (US) might swallow the Ukraine while the Crimea will go back to Russia. In parallel the EU tries to swallow more and more Eastern countries which by no means fulfill the original requirements of the EU. But with this possible interim solution the bigger game is by far not over - his opinion. He also rightfully points out that if Putin is really cornered the whole "scirmish" might escalate into a full fledged war.

We seem to see another - hopefully unsuccessful attempt - to tame the "Russian Bear"; an adventure which was the demise of Napoleon as well as Hitler. Will we see a continuation? Moreso: is the prize really worth it?

Given the resources of Russia ... maybe ... but only for the 1%. We, the people, are as usual are just that - canon fodder.
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 4:02 pm
Isn’t this great? Just read this article where Obama announces that the US would “completely reject” a vote on the Crimea – in other words: he who always carries “democracy” on his lips rejects democratic process?!

“If the vote does occur, Obama said, the international community "will be forced to apply a cost to Russia's violation of international law."” http://www.mail.com/int/news/us/2708614-obama-calls-rethinking-crimea-vote.html#.1258-stage-hero1-4

Secretary of State John Kerry also was talking tough, telling Congress, "It can get ugly fast if the wrong choices are made, and it can get ugly in multiple directions." Kerry will meet with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Friday in London in a last-ditch effort to halt the referendum. In other words: oppress the democratic expression of the people's will!

It’s always ugly if the pants come down … yet, there’s nothing really in these statements that we didn’t know already, isn’t there?

At least we now have it officially – the “fighters” for democracy give a sh*t about it!

Not that I ever believed this nonsense about "bringing democracy and freedom" ... on the wing of a B52 Bomber!
 

Elderberry C. (47)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 4:43 pm
Obama speaks for the International community does he? He speaks for fascism...thats it....he & his cohorts ...No one asked the Ukrainians if they wanted a neo nazi fascist coup to install illegal usa/EU backed neo nazi fascists as their overlords!!! Stealing 40 tons of Ukrainian Gold ...shipped off to usa....THAT IS A HEIST !!!!

Crimea has every right to a referendum on March 16 ....I have no doubt a FALSE FLAG WILL HAPPEN BEFORE THAT...unless they cancel the referendum.....

http://www.gerhard-wisnewski.de/Multilingual/english/War-on-15-March.html

See the emails here....(Minus Pictures)

Chopped emails reveal false- flag operation against the Russians


False flag operations bring the history forward and pave the way for the aggressor - see 11.9.2001 . When enemy troops are facing , you change like to the badge to the name of the enemy to commit assassinations , assaults or atrocities , and then outraged " fight back " . And already the most beautiful war is underway. How now emerged emails from U.S. and Ukrainian military suggest such operations in Ukraine could be imminent ...

Gerhard Wisnewski


As previously reported, a group called Anonymous Ukraine has a number of e -mails unearthed , for example, the German -Ukrainian rebels Vitali Klitschko.E -mails he did not deny until now. In response to a request to him no reply . Now more emails have surfaced that make planning a false flag operation against Russia seems to follow . Accordingly, the Deputy Military Attaché wrote in the Kyiv U.S. Embassy , Lieutenant Colonel Jason P. Gresh ( GreshJP@state.gov ) , on 9 March 2014 an e- mail to Colonel Igor Protsyk ( igor.protsyk@gmail.com ) , head of the Commission for bilateral military cooperation of the Ukrainian army.

"Igor ," the American wrote in it , " the events come thick and fast in the Crimea. Our friends in Washington expect decisive action by your network. I think it is time to implement the plan , which we recently reviewed . Your task is to cause some problems to the transport hub in the southeast, to provide the neighbors a trap. This will provide for the Pentagon and the Company [ CIA ] favorable conditions for action. Do not waste time , my friend. Sincerely, Jason P. Gresh , U.S. Army. "


" Make it look like a real attack"

The named Igor Protsyk turn wrote two days later , on 11 March 2014 at 13.50 clock , an e -mail to a Krivonis Vasil ( krivonis.te@gmail.com ) and offers him an attack on a Ukrainian airfield:


" Vasil , you must perform an activity in Melitopol soon as possible. There, an air transport brigade is stationed . Our friends cursed [ the Russians ] should one spot . I think you know what I mean. But is wisely and carefully. The brigade is now in combat exercises , that is, the aircraft takes not to harm. There are plenty of broken / old planes , with which you can do everything. The aircraft numbers , you get sent . Remember, it is like a real attack of the Russian Spec - Nas [ Russian Special Forces ] look like. The brigade commander is a smart guy . Details he will not know , but in an emergency you can rely on him / contact him. We warn him. "



" Kill with the knife of another "

Vasil wrote again on 11 March 2014 at 17.20 clock an e -mail to Oleg Kolyarny ( kolyarny@gmail.com ) . Deadline for the company is therefore the 15 March :


" Oleg , you have to make an appointment and organize unrest on behalf of Muscovite [ Russians ] at the airport in Melitopol . This one has until 15 March ... do you know why . First, you have to put yourself with Paschko Tarasenko in conjunction . You'd have to know him (....) . To you young people 10-12 come to the center . They are the best fighters of Trizub [ name]. The leader is Mischko that you'd have to also know . The details you can find out from him. One has to meet the people and equip them with the necessities. Acts on breastfeeding. Speak only in Russian! The 25TE Brigade is preparing fighter. Makes them no problems with the aircraft. There are a lot of old iron [ scrap aircraft] with which one can do everything. The useful planes are shown to you . You have to make it look like a targeted attack of " Spetsnaz " [ Russian unit ] . But without the dead" Of course, Oleg will do all that for nothing. But for traitor 's course money :


"Give me your information again . The money will go immediately. Do not worry . Follow the instructions . ( ..) Meet the decisions wisely. "


Adventurous ? Not necessarily . Model is quite obvious that decades ago , designed by the U.S. military Operation Northwoods . However, the origins of such operations are much older. Even the Chinese general Tan Daoji described the process in the 5th Century in his 36 stratagems . It says: " kill with the knife of another ." The attacks of 11.9.2001 can be seen also again , in the "List of self-mutilation ": "Hurt Yourself to excite compassion and pretend own weakness "

At the last mail an aerial view of an aerodrome with the marked targets is attached , therefore probably Melitopol.

In addition to the rectangle with the oval says " military vehicle GAZ -66 " . In addition to the circle on the right is " shooting " and at the bottom left of the Cross : " 2 aircraft IL -76 ." That should be the scrap machinery .

Is it not later than 15 March so far as ? Because at 16 March there is the referendum in the Crimea ...
 

Kate Kenner (200)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 5:07 pm
No matter what it sounds like a scary place to live if one does not fit the mold. the excuse that certain groups run things has been used before,, certainly the Jews have often been accused of hang too much power in the media, finance, etc. Of course it was not try in Germany and it is not true now.It will be along time before things settle down there and blood will be shed I would guess.
 

Syd Henley (0)
Thursday March 13, 2014, 6:07 pm
It is advisable to take no notice of anything that is said by the BBC (Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation) who lean so far to the left that they find it impossible to stand upright and tell the TRUTH.
They are so extremely left wing in their news opinions that they make PRAVDA seem like a fascist news agency.
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Friday March 14, 2014, 1:13 am
To Syd - while it is absolutely your right to call whomever whatever ... your comment has taken care of BBC - what about the rest of the news from various news outlets? All lies - all fabrications? What about the solid proofs for what BBC AND other sources report? Do you think one can fabricate all of this in a studio? Do you think e.g. Wisnewski has a reason to fake the emails? The proofs are there - the similarities striking - both visible to a blind man.

How blind can one be? THAT blind? I guess one can ... Some people prefer not to know what they know - keep living in your cocoon!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday March 14, 2014, 3:57 am
Noted, ty.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday March 14, 2014, 3:58 am
Agreed Boods.
 

Ros G. (91)
Friday March 14, 2014, 4:55 am
Thank you for this article Angelika ..Eleonora..probably not the best time I should tell you about my dishwasher LOL ..Both the major Political Parties in Australia are governed by their "Right Wing" factions... Britain has already asked for "our support" in this conflict..War? The US will expect the same, no doubt ...and our Government will agree...
 

Scott haakon (4)
Friday March 14, 2014, 7:34 am
Gee the news is finally getting out? Where have you people been? The US is stuck helping a bunch of crooks. Putin is right again.
We Americans need to demand that the government become more intelligent and not be so impulsive.
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Friday March 14, 2014, 10:54 am
To Ros - I guess you're right ... let's postpone the dishwasher discussion ;-).

What's your government's involvement in this mess? Are they (the UK pushed by Uncle Sam) trying to build up an alliance similar to Gulf War I and II only that this time they gear up for WW III?

I wish there was a law that all those war mongerers have to send their sons and daughters - not the wifes though ... we might even see more wars - LOL! - to the front lines of their "self-inflicted" wars. That might curb their appetite to start yet another conflict or "rebellion" in some country who has something valuable under their soil.

Stay safe!
 

Angelika R. (143)
Friday March 14, 2014, 1:21 pm
No doubt the US will ask every country they possibly can, Kerry did speak of the "international community" that he hopes will support the US way of dealing with this issue- wish he'd do it in the same energetic way about the Israeil- Palestinian conflict! and, more importantly, threaten the same consequences for disobeying "international rules".
 

Ros G. (91)
Friday March 14, 2014, 2:49 pm
Thanks Eleonora...our new Government doesn't feel the need to speak to the people..except to tell us we cost them to much money and that we are at the end of the "Age of Entitlement" It was David Cameron that said he has already talked to our Government....it's becoming a standard joke here..if you want to know what's happening..read or listen to another Countries news...fortunately we have SBS. Australia is Allies to both England (Old Guard) and America (New Guard) we have an "Intelligence" Base here....way out in the middle of the desert called Pine Gap..we also have a US Naval Base in Darwin, Northern Territory and I believe the new US Marines have settle in well..from 900 to 2500 with increases up to 9000 over the next couple of years.. we share technology (submarine) with the US and Britain...so on past performances.."support" will be given
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 5:02 am

Ros and Angelika - sorry I'm a bit in a tight spot today and don't have much time. It seems that the USA is gearing up to garner as many fig leaves as they can to justify the unjustifyable. Unfortunately, there are always enough minions who go along.

Just read an interesting report and wonder if the US will share the loot or is it going to be like in Iraq when they looted the country's artefacts and kept it all to themselves?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-gold-reserves-secretely-flown-out-and-confiscated-by-the-new-york-federal-reserve/5373446

I have to keep remembering myself why the people hate the political America so much - according to the US Admin - ... ah yes, because of their (the US's) life style.

I don't see anything really of which I possibly could be envious ... I just feel sorry for the average American who takes insults and despise for the doing of their Administration(s). Yes, they could revolt but it's not that easy - it takes dispair beyond Western immagination, no hope for any future, lots and lots of oppression and torture and more until people simply can't breath anymore. Then and only then do they take the bull by its horns.

When will that happen in the Western countries? Exactly ... it's still a verrrrrrry long way.

Stay all safe!
 

Angelika R. (143)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 7:46 am
share the loot? LOL - quite a question ^ Guess the FED badly needs it..
As for any possible revolt in the US- well, i believe the point has already been reached where people "simply can't breathe anymore"- literally. And getting worse. Sheryl (Dandelion) has been describing this in her excellent way for a long time, but it hasn't affected the large majority yet.., just a matter of time..but perhaps not so verrrrry long in these times of losing rights and freedoms.

As for the Ukraine, new troubling reports about clashes in Eastern parts, leaving dozens injured and some fatalities, probably provocated as before. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26590745
 

Angelika R. (143)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 10:42 am
I want to pick up on this Kerry statement ("It can get ugly fast if the wrong choices are made, and it can get ugly in multiple directions." and draw your attention to an even more dire perspective in a new Parry article here:
Neocons Have Weathered the Storm (please read this sharp and accurate analysis)

Excerpt: "A few weeks ago, most Americans probably had never heard of Ukraine and had no idea that Crimea was part of it. But, all of a sudden, the deficit-obsessed U.S. Congress is rushing to send billions of dollars to the coup regime in Kiev, as if the future of Ukraine were the most important issue facing the American people."
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 2:13 pm
Hi Angelika - thanks for the "Neocon" article; R. Parry confirms what I said last week in one of the Ukraine forums (https://www.care2.com/news/member/153110506/3749295, my comment on Friday March 7, 2014, 4:22 pm).

The Neocons are not gone; they just re-grouped. Such slime unfortunately never disappears. Yet if one mentions them one gets hit with the "conspiracy theory" bat.

Did you also read the comments? One commenter states "I think for government appointees that dual citizenship should be outlawed ...". How come nobody makes an issue of this? Not that it would mean that much (anymore) I guess; Americans seem to have gotten used to being run by extended the arms of Israel!

Even in Egypt this is not allowed ...

PS Don't you think Victoria Nuland should put her hubby on a diet? His weight might give him all kind of health problems ... and he'll hopefully have all kind of problems in the near future so he needs to be healthy ...
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 2:39 pm
To Angelika - "As for any possible revolt in the US- well, i believe the point has already been reached where people "simply can't breathe anymore"- literally."

I'm not too familiar with the in's and out's of the US society anymore - last time we were there was just before 9/11 and the segment of our US friends don't represent the majority. But I don't think it's that bad yet if I compare how much it took for the Egyptians to stand up against Mubarak.

People were "walking inside the wall" (a literal translated saying) meaning they tried to be invisible in order not to get in the focus of the Security Forces just because they were worried to be rounded-up in case the Security "needed" some results for whatever. The Taba attack comes to mind were they randomly arrested some 3'000 men off the streets of Cairo (!!). Today we know that this was a revenche by Gamal Mubarak (son of Hosni and groomed to be the next President).

It got economically so bad that people complained they can't afford anymore to buy the SKELETON of a chicken to boil it in water and make the kids believe there's chicken in the "soup". The majority of Egyptians were and still are by force vegetarians because they simply can't afford meat - even "white meat" which is basically fat with a bit of meat in it - is out of their reach. This is why the once a year distribution of meat to the poor on the occasion of "Eid el Adha" is so much appreciated - although it's regularly loathed by Western media.

We had a case which made headlines when a girl collapsed in school. The doctor wanted to know what she ate for breakfast - he was thinking of food poisoning. The girl's answer was: "Nothing, it was not my turn today."

And so on and so forth - that's what I meant with "not being able to breath". When the Mubarak regime tightened the noose too much - that's when people overcame their fear. Whether this situation was exploited or not is a different story.

I just don't see this being the case in the United States ... yet.
 

Ros G. (91)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 4:07 pm
Thank you Eleonora fo very informative comments. I did hear about the Ukraine gold..seems a lot of gold and artifacts go missing from that area..it reminded me of the 700 tons the last Tzar of Russia shipped out..the looters of war..but in today's words..it would be considered money laundering or cash converting LOL.

Thank you also Angelika..yes, that comment by Kerry..seems they don't have a choice at all.. chilling statement..what is also missing at the moment and reportedly could be in this said region? Yes, it could come from all directions...as for the neocons...it's a strange "game" they play to stay at the top. Sounding a bit like WMD all over again....

But it is true what you say about how the majority of the US citizens are living at the moment and I have heard many talk about a revolution there on many threads..that's why they want more guns..to protect themselves from the Government as they say..some have even said the Military will kill the 1%..wild talk..won't happen..I reminded some of them that their Government has drones spying on them in every city..wouldn't take much to arm them like they do elsewhere.

It's a beautiful Sunday morning here..going to get very hot today..I think I will go for a swim in that beautiful ocean called the Pacific which is at my door step and leave the woes of the world behind... well hopefully the waters here haven't been contaminated by the Fukushima incident yet...soon find out.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Saturday March 15, 2014, 4:58 pm
Eleonora, i see wIhat you mean. What I have meant is in regard to the "shale revolution" as Madeleine Albright termed the fracking mania in the US, literally taking away the air to breathe, water to drink, etc etc. And they want to export that gas to the Ukraine plus wider Europe so we won't suffer when Putin in retaliation cuts us off from Gasprom supplies.
With the $ 8 billion or so in SNAP cuts, which they need for the Ukraine of course, to compensate for the $10 bn they spent on the coup, many US citizens may soon have not much more left than that chicken skeleton. (sorry, no sarcasm intended, that was horrific to hear!) And, like in Egypt and anywhere else in such a situation, it will hit the poorest while benefitting the regime and few % at the top.
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 12:58 am
Good morning, Angelika. To start at the end of your comment - yes, the poorest are always the ones paying the full costs everywhere. Marie Antoinette comes to mind ...

I wonder if Albright really knows what she's talking about.

Did ever anyone see the economics of exporting gas to Europe? I'm 100% convinced that they're done and they must by logic be negative. In order to transport gas it has to be liquified. In order to liquify it huge plants have to be built (don't think they exist in the required dimensions?). Once liquified one has to get it across the water either by dom tankers or via a pipeline.

Do the calc yourself ... how many winters would you have to freeze your "butt" off if Gasprom stops delivering and until the US is ready? Even if one puts the project on top fast track it will not be before mininum a year (and that's absolute wishful thinking) that export could start ... and the price for Europeans would be absolutely exhorbitant! Who'd go for this?

The problem is that all this crap can be sold to many Americans under the flag of "Hurray, we're the greatest nation". Sorry, no offense meant to ordinary Americans, but under this "hurray patriotism" lot of nonsense is sold to them.

What I can't understand is that they don't physically oppose everywhere the fracking. Go there and occupy the ground if nothing else works. They have already plenty of little earthquakes in fracking areas. Don't they see? I know it's scary to immagine what would happen to them if one just remembers the "Occupy WS movement" and how they finished them off.

But what's the alternative??

And that's what I meant with "not having enough air to breathe" - their (the Americans) situation has to deteriorate further for people to gather the courage and stand up knowing full well that there will be a high price to pay ... and an ever higher one if they stay passive or just sign petitions.
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 1:02 am
Addendum to my previous post:

To my knowledge there are not enough dom tankers nor does a trans-atlantic gas pipeline exist - so again: how would the gas export US to Europe work in practical terms?

Buzz words are just that ... buzzing ...
 

Ros G. (91)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 5:08 am
Thank you for your comment Eleonora and there lays the problem .natural oil and gas...what Countries still have natural oil and gas? From my limited understanding natural oil and gas are much easier and cheaper to extract....once we talk about shale oils and gas..totally different extraction method, different grade (dirtier) etc. Australia is "Open for Business" our Government tell us...so the "frackers" are welcome..they use the same tactics to sell their wares but we all must have energy to run our homes, cars, etc fear mongering..as usual..but it is all for the export market..went through all this back in the '70's the Western World hasn't and probably can not move on. As for those pipelines...Greece is on the radar..ummm another country that went dirt poor overnight almost...
 

Angelika R. (143)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 9:43 am
Please let's just keep this thread focused on topic and not turn it into some dialogue drifting off-topic. My other newsposts out there may be better suited for further exploring or discussing the wider perspectives and US geopolitical goals.(In case anyone is still unaware of these)

To briefly get back on Eleonora's objections as to gas exports:
"Even if one puts the project on top fast track it will not be before mininum a year (and that's absolute wishful thinking) that export could start."
All in articles to which I left links on my other posts. such as this from the NYT: (excerpt)

"The United States does not yet export its natural gas. But the Energy Department has begun to issue permits to American companies to export natural gas starting in 2015. American companies have submitted 21 applications to build port facilities in the United States to export liquefied natural gas by tanker. The agency has approved six of the applications." - You bet they WILL make this a " top fast track" matter.
It's the very reason Obama apponted Moniz for DOE when he did. I already posted a warning article back then before he was even nominated. Furthermore, I assume Ms Albright might know more than all of us and the media.
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 11:21 am
Hi Ros - you touch one of the "points" - maybe we can explore this further via PM.

Angelika - sorry, I'm lost ... I don't keep track of your various postings (not out of disinterest but due to lack of knowledge that you do post regularly articles). Any link to what you're referring to would be appreciated.

To finish the gas discussion - EVEN if the DOE issues permits to export the gas resp. to build port facilities - how long do you think it'll take to build 1) the necessary liquification plants and 2) the port facilities and 3) the necessary amount of dom tanks in order to guarantee that Europe has enough gas?? And I'm not even beginning to address the buyer's (EU) situation.

We're not talking about a new road or just another port or exporting apples and bananas - this is highly technical and specialized equipement, with tight design margins and strict industrial safety requirements material. This is all one thing ... assuming the production of this gas is guranteed which remains highly questionable in the long run!!
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 11:23 am

Sorry - addendum: Anyone who for the sake of the argument might say that the US has "secretly" built these facilities in the past years ... such undertaking would have been instantly picked up by the oil and gas industry radar ... which it has not.
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 11:29 am

Back to the topic - what's the justification that the coup in the Ukraine is so welcome by the West ... whereas the coup (by the people of Egypt) in Egyp is up until today a "No-No" and still not really accepted by the West?

Again Animal Farm?
 

Angelika R. (143)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 1:50 pm
Eleonora, there is none,WE know this and the "ziocons" (I like that term and think it fits better) know it too but again have managed to sell their point. Yes, call it animal farm if you like. Just what does it take to stop them, more blood shed? Right now, in your area it looks much like that I'm afraid. What if Sisi will become president? And what do we know about his visit with Putin? But again, that is far off-topic for this thread.
 

Eleonora Oldani (49)
Sunday March 16, 2014, 3:05 pm
Angelika - I love your term "ZioCons". Give me some time - we'll talk about your points.
Stay safe!
 

Barry Lituchy (0)
Monday May 19, 2014, 8:58 pm
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/766/782/989/press-the-red-light-encourage-diplomatic-transparent-peace-process-in-ukraine/
 
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