Monday August 24, 2009, 6:20 pm
I find this very hard to believe that an agency of our government did a thing like that,

Monday August 24, 2009, 7:04 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=8402999

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,644405,00.html

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/aug2009/blac-a24.shtml

Major press. Major stories and remember my good friend Phil Agee was a rogue CIA officer who was chased all over the world by the Bush Sr. and Kissinger...what has come to light now is very small change compared to what is really still out there...

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 2:52 am
Sherbet... cannot believe that they would betray these people who have been faithful in all..

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 7:35 am
I am proud of my country, but frequently ashamed of my government.

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 9:30 am
Thanks Raffi. Shocking!

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 11:57 am
I find it totally believable Betsy...Why don't you, do you really believe all you read in your media censored country?...Your country is NOT your God!...Very far from it...

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 12:10 pm
To believe everything you read, generated by a government that has the audacity to declare war on a country far away, based on a pack of lies (WMD's did NOT, and do not, exist)...Your goverment has betrayed you and slaughtered millions, including your own troops in the false name of 'self defense'...OIL and monetary gain is more to the point...Time to re-think and get real?...

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 1:14 pm
Some of the things I have read about this aren't to swift them again America lost 17 lives on the USS Cole, almost 3000 innocent victims & the suffering of the families on 9/11. If I was in the same position as these people of the CIA I might have done the same. How many lives of Americans have been saved, we will never know since it was prevented. I don't have to condone what was done but then Hey Thanks CIA, the life you did save, could have been mine or my family or friends.That one in the Whitee House said move on, no need to look back. So things have changed, move on & let the Cia alone.

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 3:11 pm

This from IndictBushNow.org

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It is Bush and Cheney who gave the orders and
it is they who must be held responsible

Washington Post masthead (transparent bk)

“The real culprits in this sordid story are those higher-ups, starting with former president George W. Bush and former vice president Richard B. Cheney, who led America down the degrading path of state-sanctioned torture and left the next administration to cope with the fallout.”

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As it was stated by the Washington Post lead editorial today:

“The real culprits in this sordid story are those higher-ups, starting with former president George W. Bush and former vice president Richard B. Cheney, who led America down the degrading path of state-sanctioned torture and left the next administration to cope with the fallout.”

What does the report that Attorney General Eric Holder released yesterday reveal? That Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld’s torture tactics included:

* Mock executions
* Repeatedly choking detainees carotid artery until unconsciousness
* Threatening sexual attacks against the children and parents of detainees
* Detaining the children of detainees and threatening to kill the children
* “Hard takedowns” meaning repeatedly smashing prisoners into the floor
* Head smashing inmates into walls
* Water dousing, pouring freezing water on naked inmates strapped to plastic sheets followed by holding the still naked inmates in bitterly cold cells for days
* Sleep deprivation lasting for 11 days
* Violent shaking of prisoners
* Waterboarding (mock drowning) 183 times in the case of one detainee
* Hanging prisoners form their wrists for up to three days
* “Scrubbing” the bodies of detainees with metal brushes

More than one hundred prisoners may have died in these torture centers according to Col. Lawrence Wilkerson who served as Colin Powell’s chief of staff during the Bush Administration.

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Members of Congress are echoing this call and we can create an avalanche of public support for the indictment of Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld.

Jerome Nadler, the House Judiciary Constitution Subcommittee Chairman said yesterday: “The gruesome acts described in today's report did not happen in a vacuum ... it is vital that this special counsel be given a broad mandate to investigate these abuses, to follow the evidence where it leads, and to prosecute where warranted.”

Now that the investigation has begun all efforts to limit it will fail. Each step of the investigation will inevitably point to those who gave the orders in the chain of command. It is Bush and Cheney who gave the orders and it is they who must be held responsible.

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Tuesday August 25, 2009, 4:15 pm
well said jerry....these tactics did save lives....these tactics are nothing compared to what the taliban/al-queda do to their captives....this is a world war against extremists that want nothing but to kill innocent americans at any cost...get some perspective with what we do and what our enemy does...we do not torture and gave prisoners at git-mo more rights than any other captives in history...they were allowed to pray 5 times a day and served special food for their religion and treated better than alot of americans are...this is nothing but a distraction from obamas disater of a heathcare bill...nobody will be prosecuted and this is just a waste of taxpayer money....david cant possibly understand what it was like for americans on 9/11 and other attacks against our country but it is easy to judge from his country...

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 6:49 pm

To Joe Jones and Jerry:

IRAQ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 911

On top of that, a large number of people that are locked up including those that were/are tortured were just handed over to us by people that we then gave money. All they needed to say was the magic word "terrorist" or Taliban and our military gave them money and never asked for ONE single scrap of evidence.

I know you aren't fond of facts, but turn off Faux News and do a little research before you start supporting us doing things we claim are horrible when done by others but ok when done by us.

Because if you continue your blind support of us doing it (because you believe since it's US and how could we be wrong?), then you show how much of a hypocrite a person can be.

Your tired attempt to cloud the issue with emotion doesn't cut it.

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 7:21 pm
ksm gave us alot of info after just a few seconds of waterboarding...ksm is behind 9/11...this info saved lives...ksm is resonsible for 3k american deaths....he gets a few seconds of waterboarding for killing 1000's and we are the bad guys now??...perspective

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 8:03 pm
Hot off the press:-http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/only-two-weeks-training-for-cia-interrogators-1777216.html

Tuesday August 25, 2009, 9:47 pm
Go away joe, my eternal profileless, friendless troll...Your ignorance is unbelievable...To kill in order not to be killed is nothing less than pre-emptive murder...It is not 'self defense'!

You cannot seriously believe that slaughtering millions of civilians and the death of thousands of your very own troops, in a land far away, has protected your life?...Silly qustion, of course you do...Even the tooth fairy is laughing at you!...I'll bet you don't believe that your one and only little friend could be so cruel?

Wednesday August 26, 2009, 1:58 am
How many of you have "primate" in your shares where the "www." was?
Look at this - http://primate.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/1181908

Wednesday August 26, 2009, 4:15 am
so whats your answer david? asking the taliban/al-queda nicely after 9/11 to stop training and preparing terrorists to kill americans? maybe a nice letter from bush blaming america for all their problems? get real david, these extremists will stop at nothing and they have proved that...we had no choice but to go on the offensive and now these extremists are unable to mount any largescale attacks and are hideing in caves..

Wednesday August 26, 2009, 4:20 am
Those in doubt of this gov's capability....unspeakable actions...remember Katrina

Wednesday August 26, 2009, 4:42 am
 
Good point, Emagin (and, yes, it does relate to the subject).  I just finished reading Greg Palast's latest:
 
Expert Fired Who Warned Levees Would Burst Hurricane George, Four Years Later

"What they did not know was that the levees had cracked. For crucial hours, the White House knew, but withheld the information that the levees of New Orleans had broken and that the city was about to drown. Bush's boys did not notify the State of the flood to come which would have allowed police to launch an emergency hunt for the thousands that remained stranded.
 
"Fifteen hundred people drowned. That's the bottom line," said von Heerden."
 

Wednesday August 26, 2009, 5:34 am
CIA build from the bigging to protect the interest of Rockefeller group and aether american big finances group abroad . Secretary Henry Kissinger was involve whit CIA assassination of Democratic elected president Aliandy OF Chile.because he nationalize the Cupper Mainer,and the fascist general Pinochet who led the military cop turn Chile to a prison and hundreds of people killd and thousands succeed to escape out of Chile and live In exile.Lie of Iraqi weapon of mass distraction, pumping Sudanese hospital ect.

Thursday August 27, 2009, 2:58 am
The CIA is evil through and through. They have instigated wars, control the drug trade and are best friends with the inventors of torture, Psychiatry.
Go visit a mental health facility and see all the LEGAL torture being performed daily on victims of the USA alone!

Friday August 28, 2009, 2:08 pm

Demand Accountability for those at the top who ordered the torture & abuse!

Send a message to Attorney General Eric Holder

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/424/t/4589/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27821

and let him know we support his first step, but that it must lead to real justice, where the rule of law is upheld against those at the top rungs of political power, not just those at the bottom and where the false claims of national security do not trump the clear requirements of the constitution.

The appointment of a Special Prosecutor is an important breakthrough, ending years of impunity for the systematic torture and brutalization of detainees. Let's remind Holder that this is a very important beginning, but still only a beginning.

Send a letter to the Attorney General and tell him not stop at the interrogators--he must hold those at the top accountable! We will add you to our Citizen’s Arrest Action Team to keep you in the loop about war criminals whereabouts and opportunities to slap pink cuffs on them!

Once you send the letter you will be redirected to a page where you can get the fabulous "Torture Team" cards made by CREDO Action and Center for Constitutional Rights!

Stand with CODEPINK and other organizations thanking Attorney General Eric Holder for his first step but that we want to see those at the top held accountable!

After you sign the letter, you can get the free tortue cards (and as they mention, they can help start a conversation on the issue and get more people aware).

You get a set free, but can order more, I ordered 5 sets and if you do that you can pass them out or whatever you feel will gte the word out to the most people.

They say this about the cards:

Want the torturers prosecuted? Tired of the "few bad apples" line? The Center for Constitutional Rights has partnered with CREDO to distribute Torture Team trading cards to spark the conversation about responsibility for torture at the highest levels. Get one pack of 10 cards for free. $5 for a complete set of all 20 cards; $20 for five sets. All money will go to CCR. The cards may take 3-7 weeks to arrive.

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/424/t/4589/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=27821