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It's the Inequality, Stupid


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: government, politics, U.S., money, finance, wealth, rich vs. poor, plutocracy, charts )

Robert
- 2458 days ago - motherjones.com
Eleven interesting charts that explain everything that's wrong with America. (In terms of wealth).



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Ajay P. (101)
Wednesday February 23, 2011, 9:12 pm
Noted
 

Dandelion G (367)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 9:09 am
Robert was going to post this myself but see you have. Charts always tell the story clearly. I wish more people would wake up and see the real picture here. I'll pass this link around as I feel it is important for people to take this quick view on inequality.

We have a Plutocracy now.
Plutocracy is rule by the wealthy, or power provided by wealth. The combination of both plutocracy and oligarchy is called plutarchy.

Sad days indeed for the majority of us.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 10:37 am
Noted, thanks Robert and Dandelion. Yes, very sad...dismal in fact, for the 98-99% of the country.
 

Toni C (508)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 10:38 am
You've got that right, Dandelion! These are sad days for the average American...
 

Barbara K (60)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 10:40 am
Thanks, Robert. We have the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, and barely a middle class left at all. The rightwingers got theirs, now they want ours. We need to stop this trend and do it sooner than soon.
 

Phyllis P (254)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 10:46 am
Sadly noted
 

Stephen Sydebotham (74)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 11:00 am
Noted. Shared on FB.
 

ewoud k (68)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 11:01 am
The "crisis" shuffled the cards a bit, there might have been some heavy losses, but on the whole the picture still is the same.

And in fact, stupid!, above a certain wealth it's even hard NOT to be richer at the end of the year, as is becomes difficult to spend all your interests and other fruits.

There defenitively are things that should be rearranged, wealth is one of them.

What's even more (is it?) hard to accept is that among this big fortunes there are who just inhereted this fortune, some since some generations. They didn't do anything else for it than be born in the right family.
 

Dandelion G (367)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 11:07 am
Born into another form of royalty as the rest of society is born into poverty. Then victimize and blame the poor that they were born poor.
 

Caitlin M (104)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 11:08 am
The most surprising and telling statistic to me is this: Of our 10 richest legislators, 7 of them are Democrats! That's a bit much, isn't it? What does that tell us? They say money talks and apparently these Dems listened, wouldn't you say? And all ten voted for the tax cuts for the wealthy. Duh! At least some of those Democrats should have had some integrity and put their money where their mouths have been. But it's beginning to look as though we Dems have a lot more to think about than laughing at the Republicans for the hypocrites they are,huh?
 

Dandelion G (367)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 11:25 am
That is why they say, look at the money trail. We can have wolves in sheeps clothing. Infiltration comes in many forms. I've been saying this myself Cailin, the Democrats do not have clean hands, the issues and our problems fall at both their feet. Both allowed the Big Business to rise up to the levels it is and gobble up what was good about America. But as long as they, on both sides of the party lines, were making money, no one seemed to care.
 

Vikram Chhabra (394)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 12:16 pm
I guess the only consolation is that money cannot buy happiness. Most wealth is gained through devious methods...
 

Susan L (150)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 12:53 pm
I don't begrudge anyone making a great income. The problem I have is when it becomes so un-even because taxes, or lack of, it doesn't have the same effect on enormous wealth compared to low or middle income. If a Senator has a net worth over a $million, it doesn't 'really' matter. What matters is how he/she votes. The Kennedy's always had personal wealth, yet always supported common cause, and programs that helped those less fortunate.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 2:28 pm
Here's the actual SALARIES of our "HEALTH PROVIDER CEO'S"
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http://sickforprofit.com/ceos/ AND THEY HAVE THE GALL TO DENY CLAIMS?
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 2:29 pm
http://sickforprofit.com/ceos/
 

Mary L (132)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 2:34 pm
2010 I made less than $7,000 I owe taxes. Everyone in the top 1% of the country got a tax break. I don't need charts, I know this country is screwed.
 

Sarah G (109)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 3:19 pm
"Behind every great fortune is a great crime."
 

David C (186)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 3:20 pm
our founding fathers fought a war to NOT HAVE A KING, now we have conservatives trying to replace it with an oligarchy/corporatocracy....although not an expert after reading several books about revolutionary times and founding fathers I am convinced that Socialism would not be the 4 letter evil word that Republicans try to make it....
 

Tierney G (381)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 3:27 pm
Thanks Robert and Dandelion, watch Rachel Maddow she explains all of this with incredible clarity.
 

Little Star (56)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 3:31 pm
OH PLEASE PEEPS...NO Politician has Clean Hands..doesn't matter what party they belong to
 

David Bresett (1)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 3:32 pm
If any one cares, the rich people have been voted into office. 95% of senators and congressman are rich. As long as the rich are voted into office nothing as far as taxing fairly will ever happen. We the people have to vote for people to run the country. The rich don't care about average Americans, at all.
 

Morris G. (18)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 3:43 pm
What these charts do not show is that in America people move between income brackets regularly. You are not locked out because of your "class." The only people relegated perpetually to the lower brackets are those who chose to give up on education, hard work, and ambition. Personally I have been in one of the lowest income tax brackets, gone to the top tax bracket, back to the middle, back to the top, currently unfortunately back at the bottom. Sure there are some super rich people that may stay there for generations, but I know many rich people who came from poor families, started poor, and made a lot of money. In my modest neighborhood there are 2 immigrant families. One Mexican the other Vietnamese. Both came here dirt poor. The Mexican family now owns one of the biggest used car lots in the county. They just bought the house beside their's and turned it into a compound with a fence, pool, Tiki bar. The Vietnamese started a small restaurant. Now they own 2 huge ones that are always packed. They gave their home here to their kids and bought a big one in an exclusive neighborhood for themselves. They got there through pure hard work.That happens in America like no other place. Me? Struggling to make house payments, but I plan to make it again. Working like crazy to get a new business off the ground.
You should quit sitting around envying the wealth others have and work on your own.
 

Jeannette A (137)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 3:46 pm
Interesting.....
 

Elizabeth M (65)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 3:52 pm
Noted, thanks Robert. Sad fact is it not?
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 4:05 pm
there are quite a few billionaires that have pledged most of their net worth to be given to charities. not everyone who is rich is a bad guy...
 

Dandelion G (367)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 4:19 pm
Is there any post you might agree with Morris. This isn't a right side left side story, it's a fact that most people do not make it to the top or anywhere near it. Good for you if you've been up and down and up and down, for you are a rare person and perhaps have a talent not everyone has.

Little Star.....look at article again, this wasn't about any one polititcian it was stating how the wealth of this Country has shifted. For goodness sake, no wonder the Elites can cram the crap all over the people in this Country. It's people who half read things and others who are "horray for me to hell with the rest of you."
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 4:49 pm
Most of our tax system is about gamesmanship; the more money you have, the better games you can play.
 

Barbara W (342)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 4:51 pm
important share. Moving..
 

Susan L (150)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 4:53 pm
As has been pointed out ... some of the very wealthy, DO give to charities AND recognize there is a NEED to contribute more in taxes, AND vote against tax cuts for the wealthy, AND support Social Services for those less fortunate than themselves. The problem is with the "wanna-be-Elitists" who make a substantial income, (not quite a $million or maybe even $1/2 million) that are SO AFRAID of an 'equally impacting taxation' as the much lower income earners suffer. They just wanna be in that "so what if I make alot of money, I shouldn't have to "feel" it like those lower income bums and how can I get up there with the elite if "I" have to pay more in taxes?" It's those that believe that they are not wealthy enough to not have to pay more in taxes.

So yeah, some of the Billionaires may not be 'greedy' and know it is their good fortune to have enough to give to charities and those less fortunate. "Some" - and Big Corporations - will only give to charities because they get even more tax breaks that it makes it 'better' for them.

And Morris, MOST people don't bounce around from lowest income bracket to top and back. Most people are not LUCKY enough to have family wealth, or excellent education (without enormous student loan debt), or the opportunity that higher social circles provide. Most who gain sudden wealth then lose it are just poor money managers, or have some very expensive habits or spend carelessly.
 

Stefano Vescovini (0)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 4:54 pm
thanks
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 5:58 pm
Noted. Very grim, indeed.
 

Marti Williams (170)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 6:08 pm
Thanks Robert...this is sickening...
 

Mac R (289)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 6:23 pm
Morris, I don't think anyone here is against people getting rich in America, and we all understand that this is one of the best places for a chance at achieving that. What we ARE against is the super rich not paying their share of taxes, AND owning our politicians and getting the regulations thrown out that protect us from their greed.
 

Norm C (74)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 8:44 pm
Morris,

Ance again, you seem to have been afflicted with the Rip Van Winkle syndrome. You've been asleep for at least 25 years (in this case 35 years). American mobility has slowed to a crawl. If you were born rich in the last 25 years, your chances of slipping to middle class or below is almost nil. If you were born poor, your chances of becoming rich are likewise almost nil. Someone born in the 3rd or 4th 20% is far more likely to drop a slot than to gain one.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 8:50 pm
We aretired of getting our financial butts kicked through unfair competition from corporations that get all the no-bid government contracts etc. - like Halliburton. Halliburton had a lock on the Iraq War and paid no taxes on the money they received. How is that fair Morris? Don't all Americans deserve a equal shot at government contracts?
How come some corprorations and banks get bailouts but others don't?
How would you feel if you knew those immigrant families are getting loans that the rest of us are unable to qualify for? If they were given special consideration such as a 'tax free' status? Those are the problems, the playing field is not level. America is supposed to be about equality, justice and fair play.
This is a glass ceiling that should be broken.
 

Dandelion G (367)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 9:05 pm
Thank you John, Norm, Mac, for your input, but Morris seems to be a one hit wonder. He comes into a thread leaves his crap then moves on. He doesn't want to give consideration to another way of thought so he will stay in his view of the world.

I question a lot about him, that someone who has been to the top as he said, down to the bottom, and in the middle, and down to the bottom again isn't perhaps a yo yo instead of a real human being. I suppose that he could of done so, anything in life is possible, it isn't the norm, although he makes it appear anyone and everyone can rise to the very top if they choose to. Maybe it is his norm, but that isn't the normal for most people and that is a fact.

You'd think along the way of his up and down and meeting people of all social stata that he'd gain some compassion that a system that only a few get to live well, while the rest are loosing all they worked hard for and that others can't even get a leg up isn't perhaps a good thing for most people.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 10:02 pm
Republicans have a record of making American POORER!
WHY would we need MORE Republican gov't NOW?
We are getting POORER, FAST - without any more help from them.

Reagan Mythology Rewritten

Bush vs. Clinton Record: Do Tax Cuts Work?

Trickledown Reaganomics FAILED! It didn't work! - Rachel Maddow

Alan Greenspan says 'Trickle Down' Reaganomics failed
 

Norm C (74)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 11:31 pm
No one's trickle down has EVER worked. Trickle down is fantasy. It is public relations BS.

Laissez-faire and trickle and the gold standard down gave 19th century America depressions every decade. Those depressions continued into the 20th century. Combining laissez-faire and massive tax cuts for the wealthy gave us the Great Depression. Any of this starting to sound a little familiar to anyone today?

Higher taxes, especially on the wealthy, leads to better living standards and greater happiness for all. I know that higher taxes for everyone sounds counter-intuitive, but it's true. Look at Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Germany, etc., etc. Higher taxes lead to better services. Higher taxes level the playing field and do indeed lead to more upward mobility. And here's the kicker -- higher taxes lead to higher wages and more leisure for working people.

The whole lower taxes is better for everyone is a complete lie; it's a con job. It sounds good, but IT IS A LIE!
 

Susan L (150)
Thursday February 24, 2011, 11:54 pm
Remarkable Norm C!! You cannot currently send a star to Norm because you have done so within the last week.
That's putting it right down to the basics and anyone that can't understand that, may not understand anything - and that's why we're in this mess.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Friday February 25, 2011, 5:00 am
My newly elected RepublicanT Rep. is a millionaire. He ran on the platform of creating jobs in the area. As soon as his taxpayer funded health insurance went into effect he had a heart valve replaced. go figure.
Didn't he have insurance before?

I know it's off topic, but I couldn't resist telling you. It is about inequality though. He voted to repeal the Health Care Act.
 

Nancy L (141)
Friday February 25, 2011, 7:36 am
I wish you much success Morris. I agree with you 100%.
 

Ramona Thompson (210)
Friday February 25, 2011, 8:02 am
Thanks Robert and others for the comments too.

 

Dandelion G (367)
Friday February 25, 2011, 9:02 am
I left this comment on another thread but it can apply here as well........

“This country has become so polarized that its almost astonishing…. Not only with the red and blue states… President Obama suffers from the most polarized situation in Washington that we have ever seen – since the time of Abraham Lincoln and the initiation of the war between the states.”
Jimmy Carter President of the United States

I think just reading this thread and some others on Care2 alone, as well as watching the news, listening to people speak around oneself or on the blogs.....this holds a lot of Truth.

But do we as Americans really want to see our nation collapse? A nation divided cannot stand. For the sake of our children we need to handle this as one nation.

"If we could first know where we are, and whither we are tending, we could better judge what to do, and how to do it. We are now far into the fifth year, since a policy was initiated with the avowed object, and confident promise, of putting an end to slavery agitation. Under the operation of that policy, that agitation has not only not ceased, but has constantly augmented. In my opinion, it will not cease, until a crisis shall have been reached and passed. "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Abraham Lincoln President of the United States

This was part of Abraham Lincoln's speech, now referred to as the House Divided, based on the Supreme Courts Dred Scott decision.

"This is the worst Supreme Court decision since the Dred Scott case," the Orlando, Fla. congressman said in a statement. "It leads us all down the road to serfdom."

"The Supreme Court has decided to protect the rights of GE, Volkswagen, Lukoil and Aramco, at the expense of our right to good government," added Grayson, who was in the courtroom when the U.S. Supreme Court announced its decision.

"If we do nothing, then before long, there won't be Senators from Oklahoma or Virginia, there will be Senators from Citibank and Walmart. Maybe they will wear insignias on their $500 suits, like NASCAR drivers do."

We may as individual Americans see our America in our own unique vision, the right to be an individual is a wonderful concept that made this Country great. That we all didn't have to run around with the little Red Book that the Chinese had, dress the same, attend required rallies, and be allowed only one opinion. This is a truly great concept we have been allowed to live on this land, the right to have freedom of choice.

I understand that there are some who get their knickers in a knot over being forced to buy into a Nationalized Health Care system but on the other hand there are others who get a bee in their bonnet when an individuals religious beliefs is pushed upon another to prevent them from having a medical procedure that should be strickly between the Doctor and the patient. Our freedom as individuals also include our freedom of religion and what that means to each of us in a personal way within the context of the law.

We have some serious issues we need to come to terms with and to deal with and that means we all must act like civil adults despite our emotions on these issues. We must understand that although it is important to keep individual freedoms and rights we also have an obligation to one another to see to it that each person has opportunity to a certain standard of living when it comes to affordable housing, medical care, and food on the table.
We also have an obligation with our indidivual rights a responsibility to those who can not by virtue of age or health to not allow them to fall into inhumane conditions. That along with individual freedoms is also a responsibility as a collective called United....States of America to assure that all our citizesn be protected, loved, and cared for.

Our society must make it right and possible for old people not to fear the young or be deserted by them, for the test of a civilization is the way that it cares for its helpless members.~Pearl S. Buck

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi

"...the moral test of government is how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life, the children; those who are in the twilight of life, the elderly; those who are in the shadows of life; the sick, the needy and the handicapped. " ~ Last Speech of Hubert H. Humphrey Vice President

This was a Country that was doing so many wonderful things, with it's various individuals, be they religious or not, liberal or conservative, young or old, black or white, hispanic or asian, we were all, for the most part managing to get along with each other. We may not have hung out at the same place, some like football others do not, some went to the movies others went to opera's, some drove a motorcycle another perferred a boat on a lake to fish, some loved to listen to rock n roll others perferred Country tunes; but we all were Americans that had a middle class lifestyle.......for the most part.

Some had a little more, some had a little less, and we had a few at the top that had a lot, and we had a few on the bottom that didn't have much at all. We had some Government safety net programs to help those who needed a leg up for a short time, we had various organiszations like the Lions who provided glasses to the poor and Shriners who did a lot, as well as other groups who had their particular charities. For the most part we all felt with our labor, our efforts, and if we played the game right, didn't gamble our money away, didn't become drug addicts or alcoholics, that we could have a nice life. America was a good place to live.

This all began to change about 30 years ago and in the beginning it wasn't noticed that much but over time it has sucked the life out of this Country. It hasn't been all one persons fault, it hasn't been all one Parties fault. There are many players that have helped to contribute to the situation we now have at hand.

There were regulations and such that were put into our system to protect all of us from the last Great Depression of the 1930's that have been allowed to go away. There was a reason that Monopolies were spoken about back then and a control on them was taken into account. There were people who banded together and obtained a fair wage, safe working conditions, protections for our environment, and time off to rest and persue the rights of freedoms given. Time to go to church or not, time to go visit a friend, time to go have a picnic with the family, time to enjoy that boat on the lake, time to go enjoy a concert, which created all sorts of industry around our ability to persue these things that make us happy.

But while the middle class was playing for the most part by the rules, there were others who were not at all playing by the rules, and they were active at chipping away and eroding each of our liberties and right to a happy life. The wealth of the middle class has shrunk by all sorts of devious means and protections that were in place to keep a vibrant middle class were stripped away.

Some of the politicians may have felt they were doing the right thing, they are polititicans not all have an economics background, nor a business background, nor can some see the whole picture but tend to focus on the short term gain. Others were bought and paid for by the very Ones who had a plan in mind, others on Wall Street took advantage of loopholes and they were the ones who became the footloose gamblers. The players have been in both private and public places and now we have a mess that the middle class is now watching their lifestyle go away or is harder to hold onto while more and more fall into poverty.

Like all species of animals that feel they are boxed in, trapped, suffering in some way, they lash out and attack the nearest that is to them. That does not mean it was the nearest to them that caused their discomfort it is just the one they see that is crowding them in a bit more.

The trend needs to be reversed, that the top 1% to 2% that made out well in the last 30 years based on the changes in policies that were allowed to take place must stop. We can't point fingers and say all your fault we must get some good experts, not politicians involved in this issue, and it must be done in such a way that it benefits the majority of the people and not the few.

We can't turn this around by putting a bandaid on this or take away from Peter to pay Paul, there must be a real plan that all Americans can understand, that they each can see will help them and not just a few, and will keep this Country strong and on track of a compassionate place as well. We can't be lied into wars, our sons and daughters are the future of this Country, greatness can be achieved from them if we do not squander their talents by placing them in battlefields we have no place being.

We must offer them opportunities in jobs, education, and all Americans deserve to have health care and not some hit or miss situation. If we had a well run Country, we could provide health care without bankrupting the middle class, for the middle class would have the mobility to move as it needed to, others jobs, other communities for their benefits of medical would not be tied to a job.

The needed moves to make this Country great and still keep our freedoms is multi pronged and there isn't do one thing without doing the other. I know the middle class can't take on a higher tax burden for more giveaways from the Government, but that is why the most Wealthy need to have a higher tax bracket placed upon them so we can keep the programs of compassion in place and still have a thriving economy. Those with the most Wealth have enjoyed a great ride at the expense of us all in the middle class.

BEFORE the Great Depression the taxes for the top tier of Wealth was 77%

Then the most Wealthy fought that tax rate and it was lowered to 25%

We had the Great Depression......

In 1932 the tax rate for the top tier in Wealth went back up to 63% then in 1936 to 79%

In 1953 in order to help pay off the WWII War debt the top tier paid 91% in taxes.

In 1964 it was lowered to 77%

For those who remember the fifties, sixties, and seventies........hey, those were good years for the middle class. There was plenty of jobs, people had goals and a future to look forward to, those were good years overall. Sure, there was some social issues that still needed to be addressed, and they did get addressed, but the standard of living for those in the middle class was good.

In 1971 the tax rate for those in the top tier of wealth was 70%........and you know, all this time, the most Well To do......the Wealthy, they were still having good lives as well......and investing into our economy in the forms of jobs.

In 1882 the tax rate on the Top Tier of Wealth DROPPED to 50%...........and so begins the steady decline in combination with some regulations that were beginning to be chipped away with in the seventies.

In 1991 the tax rate was dropped on the Top Tier to 28% and today it stands around 35% all the while we have been involved in all sorts of major war actions, along with unfair Trade Policies, and a middle class that is being strangled at every direction.........and all I can see is our leaders on both sides of the aisle chipping away at our hard gained efforts and those of our ancestors who fought and died for them.

The fight is not with each other........

The unjust wars need to stop.......
The tax rates need to rise on the most Wealthy.......
Trade policies need to be more balanced.....
You give tax breaks to Corporations who keep jobs in America not to those who ship them away.....
Religious beliefs stay out of policy making........true separation of Church and State

These are just some places that I can see quickly......but there are many brilliant people that exist in this Country and they need to be utilized and stop the revolving door of the same faces and the same players who created this mess to begin with.

And please, be you a conservative, liberal, Democrat, Republican, Tea Party member, Coffee House member, no party affiliation or whatever the case, elect those that have over all intelligence and not someone that is great at sound bites or happens to agree on one subject. They may side with you on that one issues but they may not have a clue to understanding foreign policy, or economic issues, trade policy, and the big picture items......those should be side issues not the main issues and right now we need attention on the Big Picture.

Right now we don't have a strong Republic we have a Plutocracy with Theocracy leanings....this is not good.

Thank you and I'll get off my soap box.










 

Jose G (11)
Friday February 25, 2011, 11:05 am
Noted
 

Kathy Javens (104)
Saturday February 26, 2011, 9:01 am
Noted. Thanks to Dandelion & Robert. This was a very sad thing to look at. With so many hard working people out there, who are the true backbone of this country, and here we sit at the bottom of the heap. Very disturbing.....
 

Mandi T (417)
Saturday February 26, 2011, 9:10 am
Tks Robert and Sheryl for the forward. Sad stuff. So many of us out there with no jobs that really support this government.
 

Jill P (64)
Saturday February 26, 2011, 2:28 pm
Like I keep saying. It is not the Republicans vs. the Democrats.
it is the super rich vs. the rest of us.
Congress, the President, his cabinet and administration...ALL super rich.
 

Carmen S (69)
Sunday February 27, 2011, 4:16 pm
In Defense of at least two of those wealthy, "Rockerfella and Senator Kerry were wealthy before getting into Congress.
so it was not at our expense,
However I do feel they should not have voted for the extension of tax reduction of the wealthy. Again in their defense they voted with Obama because that was the only way they could get the extension of the bill to help those workeres out of work.

Perhaps those workers out of work during that Christmas time were happy they did sign.
They were damned if they did and damned if they didn't.
 

Dandelion G (367)
Sunday February 27, 2011, 6:23 pm
They should NEVER have extended the tax breaks to the most Wealthy, is part of the reason we have so many out of work right now. With the extra taxes by not giving the wealthy the tax break, the Obama people could of started a jobs program for the unemployed and paid them while fixing highways, schools, and a host of other projects needing to be done in this Country. I find absolutely no excuse for what either party did, they all sold us down the river. Horrible, simply horrible.
 

Nancy L (141)
Monday February 28, 2011, 11:07 am
NO, no, no....the last thing we need is another government program.
 

Dandelion G (367)
Monday February 28, 2011, 12:15 pm
You have a better suggestion NE L. ? I assume your comment was made on my putting people back to work. Please share, I'm eager to learn.
 

Nancy L (141)
Monday February 28, 2011, 12:30 pm
I have a much better idea....stop paying people not to work.
 

Susan L (150)
Monday February 28, 2011, 5:55 pm
NE L - "stop paying people not to work" As always, you come up with a non-plan, simply griping about everything 'you' don't like. Employers pay into Unemployment Ins - the only way employees can collect is if they qualify - the only way they can qualify is if the employee is let go or fired with unsupported reason. If an employee quits without good reason, they can't collect, if they are fired with good reason, they can't collect. Unemployment benefits are only paid if they are DESERVED. This is a regulation (and I KNOW you don't like regulations- unless YOU benefit) that helps prevent bias, prejudice, personal grudges, likes and dislikes and other non work related issues from allowing an employer to indiscriminately fire someone for NO reason. Just like if I were your employer and decided I didn't want you to work for me because you are a jerk, I would have to pay toward your unemployment because I fired you (if you were doing your job). But, without regulations, I could mis-treat you, give you an unreasonable quota to fill, cut your hours so you don't qualify for your company health insurance and can't make it on 23 hours a week, or any other of the crappy things some employers do to their employees and you would just be 'Shit outta Luck'. For good measure, I could write a nasty untrue note in your files that would make 'nobody' want to hire you in the future.
By taking the stand you do, you prove you don't care about anything that's "the right thing to do" and it's just fine with you that Big corporations don't pay any taxes and can do whatever they want, fire people for no real reason and have no moral obligation to their hard working and loyal employees. That does not make you a very "good" person.

If you want all government "out of our lives" as you appear to promote, you would be sadly disappointed with the result. Who would right the wrong if someone killed the wage earner in your household? there would be no police, no hospital that would save his life if possible, no court to send the perpetrator to the prison that isn't there. Couldn't get your wage earner to the hospital anyway, on a road that's safe and maintained. There are NO GUARANTEES that 'you' would never be dropped into an unfortunate series of life altering, degrading, no fault of your own, horrific events. And when that happens, with your attitude, don't expect 'help' from the good people who know you don't care and don't approve of ANY form of "help" or 'Government Programs' or anything else.
It's a 'Badge of Privilege and Self-Righteousness' you wear proudly that I find un-inspiring.
 

Dandelion G (367)
Monday February 28, 2011, 6:05 pm
Well before I could get back to see what you had wrote NE L, I'd say Sue just about covered the bases well.

I'd thought you had a plan, something smart to help this Country. Instead all it was was a smart aleck statement and no plan at all.

For someone who states Jesus is her saviour you are about as compassionate as a rock. I suggest you truly understand what your Saviour was trying to teach, I think you missed a lot of things.
 

Nancy L (141)
Tuesday March 1, 2011, 7:14 am
Where did I every say I wanted no government? Unemployment insurance was never meant to support people for years. It is supposed to be a temporary thing. If we keep extended benefits people don't work. It is a proven fact. I have no problem with helping those who can not help themselves. I have a huge problemn with helping those who refuse to help themselves or cheat the system.
 

Nancy L (141)
Tuesday March 1, 2011, 7:20 am
It is amazing how many people are upset that the government may not extend benefits for the unemployed who have been unemployed longer than 99 weeks. However, at some point you have to stop paying people not to work, because that provides a disincentive for people to go to work. When people are out of work for too long, they stop looking for a job, and are more likely to become permanently unemployed. That is not good for the productivity of the nation, and it certainly isn't good for America.

Interestingly enough, there was an interesting article on this topic in the New York Times recently titled "Obama Seeking Aid for Jobless in Any Deal on Tax Cuts," by David M. Herzenhorn and Jackie Calmes on December 2, 2010. Apparently, this has become a political gotcha type issue, and now the politicians are trying to rally their base whether it is the tea party, or the unions in favor, or against the extension of unemployment benefits.

There have been a tremendous number of TV news segments on this issue, and there was also an interesting liberal-socialist discussion on the new TV show with Elliot Spitzer - about how everyone should be behind extending the unemployment benefits. And they have all sorts of reasons why we should extend the benefits, but no one dared bring up the reality that we should "teach people to fish, not give them free fish," and it occurred to me, that everyone is so busy arguing on this topic, that no one has stepped back to look at the real problem.

Besides, the reality is that the state governments are almost broke, and many of the states have borrowed money from the federal government to pay unemployment benefits, and they will have to pay that money back also, along with any of the other state debts that they have. Continuing to pay unemployment benefits could actually bankrupt many of the states, and the federal government cannot continue to spend money.

At some point, prudence is necessary, and also some common sense. Unfortunately it doesn't appear that we have either of those two attributes running for us when it comes to this issue. And it is a serious issue. Indeed, I hope you will please consider this, and if you have any comments or questions along these lines, I'd certainly like to hear from you, and you may shoot me an e-mail. Think on it, and let me know what you have to say.

Lance Winslow is a retired Founder of a Nationwide Franchise Chain, and now runs the Online Think Tank. Lance Winslow believes it's hard work to write 22,000 articles; http://www.bloggingcontent.net/

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Dandelion G (367)
Wednesday March 2, 2011, 9:00 am
NE L stated:

"However, at some point you have to stop paying people not to work, because that provides a disincentive for people to go to work."

Where are the Jobs?

Unemployment was something that was paid into for those employees that had to be laid off. It isn't a free ride.

Unemployment is NEVER what the people's pay checks were, it is always lower.

Most people are devastated when they loose their jobs. It affects their financial, emotional, and spiritual selves.

To say that most people ENJOY being on unemployment, therefore are not looking, are lazy, have no incentive to look for work is just being totally out of touch with the reality of what is going on.

Be grateful, thankful, that you are not finding yourself in the same situation as the many who are in this down turned ecomony and can't locate work.

The horrific situation of our economy is ALL OVER THE NEWS.....one would have to be living under a rock to know that this downturn is not the norm nor the usual. In normal circumstances, someone laid off has a very good chance of finding another job in a fairly short amount of time. But there are no jobs. Statistics show for every one job there are 2,700 applicants.

It always amazes me how people victimize the victims in this economy. The Greed at the very top, the poor policies within our Government, the Wheeling and Dealing by Wall Street and the Bankers, the unbalanced trade, the ecouragement to send jobs overseas, the allowance of work Visa's to foreign at a time our own citizens are struggling to find work is ALL what has contributed to the American citizen to find a job.

And yet instead of directing the anger at the culprits in this situation it is directed at those people, who through no fault of their own got screwed. Instead of having compassion for them, you find condemtation, very sad. I will pray for you that your Heart opens to the love of your fellow human being and citizen, that your ears begin to hear their cries, and your eyes see the Truth that is happening in this Country.
 
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