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Human Race 'Will Be Extinct Within 100 Years', Claims Leading Scientist

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Professor Frank Fenner, emeritus professor of microbiology at the Australian National University, has predicted that the human race will be extinct within the next 100 years.

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Kit H (173)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 2:53 am
Simon Ross, the vice-chairman of the Optimum Population Trust, said: ‘Mankind is facing real challenges including climate change, loss of bio-diversity and unprecedented growth in population.’

Professor Fenner’s chilling prediction echoes recent comments by Prince Charles who last week warned of ‘monumental problems’ if the world’s population continues to grow at such a rapid pace.

And it comes after Professor Nicholas Boyle of Cambridge University said that a ‘Doomsday’ moment will take place in 2014 – and will determine whether the 21st century is full of violence and poverty or will be peaceful and prosperous

Kit H (173)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 2:55 am
in the last 500 years there has been a cataclysmic ‘Great Event’ of international significance at the start of each century, he claimed.

In 2006 another esteemed academic, Professor James Lovelock, warned that the world’s population may sink as low as 500 million over the next century due to global warming.

He claimed that any attempts to tackle climate change will not be able to solve the problem, merely buy us time.

Kit H (173)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 2:58 am
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Kit H (173)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:09 am
We need an-all-out effort to steer away as much as the impact can be!

Kit H (173)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 4:46 am
We need more people be aware of this, so we can urge our gov't to take drastic reform and action. Also we need to do on an individual level to take up responsible reproduction, not having more 2 babies per couple, conserve and not to waste so as not to put more carbon dioxide in the air. We need to do it together. Please organize and demand our gov't heading for a real change. Politics as usual is not an option!

Kit H (173)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 4:52 am
I have a small compilation of material on this topic. It is meant for an average person to learn. All articles are available on the web. Just go to my Care2 profile and you can find it. Thank you!

Albert M (112)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 5:58 am
Yes I won't be surprised if the human polulation crashes or worse, comes to a catastrophic end in the coming years. At the rate we are reproducing and consuming other animal life and natural resources there has to be a finite limit before the point of no return is reached. Humankind is on a headlong rush to oblivion and the winners will be non-human animals.

Suzanne S (760)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 9:00 am
Thank you Kit for sharing this article. There is no doubt that we are facing extreme challenges in our world, especially with climate change. The "evolution of man" is also the path to extinction for most all life on this planet if things don't drastically change, and fast.

Some say we are closing in on reaching the point of no return, however to the environmentally educated, we can clearly see that we have already reached the tipping point. As it has been said by others for over 20 years, it is as with a runaway train - we can't stop it, but we do need to take every measure we can to slow it down to minimize the impact and destruction our beloved Earth faces.

There is no denying it is due to [our] eagerness to advance as a species which has lead us to this over-consumptive world of waste, pollution, and disregard for life. Extreme drastic measures can be implemented, such as in the depiction of the Greenhouse Neutral Foundation's founder, Bob Williamson's book Zero Greenhouse Emissions - The Day the Lights Went Out where many of the references of this same article are discussed, as well as previous reports and predictions, some of which have already taken place - i.e. collapse of ice shelves, dramatic changes in weather patterns, etc. - and still many more are iminent and beyond the point of no return.

Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:08 am
Predictions of future catastrophic events do not usually turn out to be very accurate because there are so many hidden variables and factors like positive feedback in a complex situation. Even a relatively mundane task such as predicting the weather more than about 48 hours ahead taxes computers and mathematical skills severely. Having said that, I agree that if there is not a series of natural or other disasters that severely reduce and limit population expansion, there is no doubt we will literally f*&k ourselves into oblivion before too long. After all 100 years in the lifetime of this planet is a mere blink of the celestial eyelid. I used to think years ago as I watched us marching this beautiful planet into hell that education was the key to our salvation. I doubt that any more. Logic, reasoning, observation, responsibility and above all awareness would have helped some years ago but these are all qualities conspicuous by their absence in most modern education.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:21 am
Noted. Thanx! I'm surprised we have that long. I would've said 10 years.

Magdalena M (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:30 am
I think that we were working hard to get to this point. And it is not a surprise. I just wish animals could survive...
We deserve it, but they are innocent.

SuS NoMail Plez P (244)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:40 am
Thank You Dearly Kit~ Personally I don't believe we have another 5 years! I am shocked SHOCKED we have survived thus far. In Peace, and thankX Suzanne. I will immideately forward. I thank everyone for their posts.

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:46 am
I was watching a special on the history channel about the bible and the dead sea scrolls and according to them the world is to end in the year 2060. Like I'll be around for that:)
Thank you Kit

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:46 am
We have spread the word about unsustainability for over fifty years.
Humankind will not respond to anything less than a catastrophe.
Watch how fast they forget the BP oil disaster.
The end is coming, it is our own fault.
Be prepared, be strong because only the strong survive.
We will need each other but we need to know who deserves our aid.
The governments will only help their own.
Network for survival.
Forget the government, they have long ago forgotten you.
People are only sheep to them, a resource they harvest through taxes, fines and seizures.
Even the advocacy groups have turned into 'join,contribute, maybe the gov't will listen if we finance "this" campaign'.
Only a new government would listen, this one is deaf.
Even talking like this is a crime, sedition.
They will hear this and shut me up for good.
These are the only things they listen for.
Good luck fellow citizens of Earth, the end really is closer than you think.
'Freedom' and 'individual rights' has already ended.
Think I am a nut? Just pay attention the news.
Not the news in the picture on TV (that is entertainment); the news in print along the bottom of the screen.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste, think for yourselves.

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:46 am
And thank you Magdalena for the forward:)

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:48 am
I tend to agree with John C
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Kit B (276)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:53 am
Should we continue to allow Multi-National Mega Corporations to own and make decisions about our future then I would have to agree, most of us will lack food and drinking water, worse we will not have the needed money to buy these essentials for life from these corporate entities. We are as a country and a planet in need of a leader, however even without one each person can make a collective decision to be a force of positive impact, we can simply lie down and die, or we can begin the process to change our way of life. It will take a force of effort and a deep desire to preserve what is left, to clean things up, prevent more contamination, to work as one unit to do all we can to fight for what is perhaps our last chance. We as all countries live under an Oligarchy of the few, they have been allowed out of Pandora's box and in the chase for the profit some how believe they alone can survive the coming accumulation of destructive behaviors. They are of course wrong, blinded by their select place in this world. We must collectively work on community levels, state levels and then also take on the government.

I no longer give the naysayers their due, they speak in made up nonsense and artificial science. The real facts and science have been warning us for the last 50 years - still we ignore the opportunities to come together and work as one to make the needed changes. If our "leaders" can not lead us then we must be our own leaders: LEAD - FOLLOW - OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY!

SuS NoMail Plez P (244)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:59 am
Suzi~ Puter is going goofy again, or maybe it's me! Anyway most of my forwards went through! I wanted to praise your post, so I will right now! I praise John and Kit as well. Good night everyone!

Barbara K (60)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:02 am
Hooray for you, Kit, I couldn't have said it any better.

Renata B (136)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:06 am
Some good news at last. So 100 years only (who knows, maybe even less, just an atomic war would make it) and it will be all over. I hope we shall not leave any Adam & Eve behind: we have made too much of a mess the first time. We don't deserve to go on: too violent, too abusive, too disrespectful of others.
But the other animals of the planet have suffered enough. As Magdalena says I also hope they won't suffer for our blunders (and sins), although I fear it's unlikely they won't be affected. Karma law. In these times so many people are desperate to show how wonderful we are. I think we should look at ourselves in a much more critical way ... if we want to improve. If we think we are wonderful we just self-delude ourselves and carry on.
It's not only a questions of leaders: no leaders has been in power without the support of the masses. We should stop telling ourselves how wonderful we are and instead start asking ourselves serious questions.
Let us continue to kill, abuse and exploit (animals, for their flesh and anything else; humans every time this is possible) and we shall never find peace.
Once we have gone the others will carry on with their business. We are not the top of Creation: we are the blunder of Creation.

Renata B (136)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:25 am
I watched the film 2012 recently: the typical Hollywood film. I re-designed the ending: all the arks are destroyed, then a map of the world cover with water except a little part of Africa emerging; zoom on it, turning it into a real image and see some peaceful animals grazing. How much more thought-provoking it would have been instead of going from one cliché to another.

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:28 am
Thank you Kit, and every commenter above, though Renata I should like to preserve the baby of humanity and not see mother earth forced to send it down the drain with the bathwater. There are millions in the USA and hundreds of millions around the world who get it and are doing all they can, and some of them are around us right here and now on Care2.

Thank you also Kit for posting the link to SEN giving an overview of the inarguable facts to which the vast majority of people are yet oblivious. A convergence of resource exhaustions in the range of 2025 to 2050 dictating earth will need to begin purging billions. We can however reduce the extent of catastrophe for all life and give mankind and surviving other species another chance. I believe we have no choice but to give them that chance.

Here again is the link to that page on SEN, which I've given a different name here to underscore our obligation to do what we can:
Catastrophe Inevitable But We Can Reduce Impact

patricia lasek (317)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:30 am
Excellen post Kit. Thanks for forwarding it to me SuSanne. I think the good professor is a bit optimistic about the human race. I would've guessed 10 or 20 tops.

Renata B (136)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:31 am
Kit H, I am afraid the problem is not having more that two children per couple: the real problem is insisting on filling our bellies with corpses. On a vegan diet there would be no shortage of food or water in the world. No children would die of starvation.
I mean: how much longer are we self-deluding?

Teresa Nemeth (343)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:36 am
Just be ready for anything that happens and comes your way, adjust to the sitituation when things happen.... nuff said.

Jacob Farnbach (2)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:37 am
This is quite a serious burst of reality. I guess we must learn to eat our children, as was suggested to the Irish in the 1800's?? Since this is an entirely unacceptable proposal, I agree we must find a way to get this message out. I also agree with the report being optimistic, 10-15 yrs seems more likely.

mr Crowley (23)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:43 am
nonsense. the human race won't extinct. we may get dramatically decreased, but that's it.

JustaHuman Here (53)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:46 am
This way or the other or this or that or that way.. this is already happening. Enjoy your lifestyle.

Zum G (1)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:54 am
well actually, that is based on the way things are going at this rate. If everyone were to change their lifestyle, the human race could still survive

lorraine c (16)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:58 am
I don't think Professor Fenner's estimate of doomsday is very far from the mark. It appears that "human-nature" is killing humankind.

Edwin M (346)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:02 pm
noted and shared, thank you Kit

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:08 pm
It will not

AA S (136)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:09 pm
I agree with Gregory, it's such a shame when there are so many good people in the world. Perhaps we are, as a species, an evolutionary blip. We haven't been around very long at all, maybe we're bound to go the same way as so many other "failed experiments" on the part of evolution.

I think our downfall is our capacity for psychopathy. Evolutionary psychologists have tried to explain the occurrence of selfishness and lack of empathy as a survival mechanism, designed to keep the individual alive even at the expense of others. I've never bought that explanation, and now I feel I was right. Lack of empathy, for each other, for the environment, is driving our whole species to destruction. It's not helpful in the slightest.

Psychopathic arseholes do not represent the human race. They do not represent me. If they're going to take the rest of us with them I'll fight to the end.

I also agree with comments above. No-one in a position of power is going to help. When I was a kid we used to laugh at "survivalist nutcases" on the TV. Now I'm not so sure they don't have a point. Time to buy some land and build a bunker :D.

Valerie Tan (7)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:14 pm
Considering how much we negatively impact our environment - perhaps our extinction would be one of the better things for our world...

Karen B (10)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:19 pm
Well, maybe then the other animals can live in peace.

Johan Maltesson (166)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:19 pm
Yes, sadly the extinction of humanity would be a very, very positive thing for this planet and for life here.

Charmaine C (177)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:25 pm
Information of resource collapse and the population explotion have been around for a long time. No one has taken any notice. I wonder what it will take before people sit up and become aware of just where we are heading? Thanks very much Kit for the interesting and informative article.

Lin Penrose (92)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:29 pm
Noted & thanks Kit. Humans are related to virus & have become the ultimate malignant cancer. I wonder how the earth will deal with mass of organics as we humans and the other life forms die off. If we go slowly, the reducers & recyclers of the earth may be able to handle it. Then again, mixed up with all the new ingredients we have introduced, some strange problems or creations may occur/evolve out of "our soup". Hey, possible subject for a S.F. novel, tho I think it may already have been done.

Ian N (13)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:30 pm
After December 21, 2012, none of this will matter.

Sara T (3)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:31 pm
I believe that the extinction of our race would be a welcome change for mother earth!! I'm aghast at the destruction the industrial age and exponentially growing population crush has caused this planet.

DORIS L (61)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:33 pm
Such optimism! I guess we're fools then to worry about the economy, getting a job, our health, etc because there is no future to look forward to. Just roll over and be dead...

Rebecca T (1)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:33 pm
One can only hope this to be true, as we are clearly the most destructive species on a once beautiful planet.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:37 pm
Thanks, usual you hit the nail on the head.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:41 pm
Things are always worse then we think they are :) It's not just our effects at work here. There are natural cycles at play too. Nature has a hand in the events we see unfolding. Some effects are too politically incorrect to air but they are there none the less. Famous last words. " I don't wanna hear that " resound around the globe.
We are a captive population of slaves. Herded in every facet of our craddle to grave lives. The majority defend their rights to be slaves to all manner of madness. Religions, Ideologies, appetites, politics, denials. All manner of excess. All manner of callousness and inhumanity to man animal and planet.
The rulers of the earth are madmen. Driven by greed and lust for power and destructive acts against the herd and environment for profits. They have everything designed to guarantee their continuance in power and affluent life styles, including military forces of billions globally, from the half starved rebells in African failed states to the great United States and other world powers, they are the actual cause of this degrading planet and burgeoning populations starving to death, diseased and thirsting.
This global corporatist regime is unconscionably dangerous and the future only holds even worse horrors at their hands.
The question is how will we ordiinary people, disarmed, flocking to our corporate owned work places, dependant on their artifical monetary systems for grocery and roof, ever throw them off peacefully ?
We won't !
Until people are ready to die for real freedom and not contrived propagandas to hide the waste of national breathing treasures, themselves deluded into thinking the military ops now currently ongoing are for humanitarian reasons, when the reality is they die clearing and defending the global corporate access to other nations resources for their own shallow gains at any expense to the truth and humans, environment and wild life, green spaces , clean water. etc.
Now we find out that in Canada Herr Harper is opening over 300 lakes and rivers as sewers for Chinese mining companies here, while they import their own labor, export natural resources and pillage us with no remediation required for their actions. If thats not insane THEN NOTHING IS. Even our noble natives are succumbing to the mad grasp for riches and power with everything from gambling casinos impoverishing their own, liquor stores on rez, to clear cuts, oil wells and mines, toxic waste dumps and nepotists reign there, while the people seldom benefit personally.
When the sheep rise up and are lions again..may be just too late for mankind to unchain himself from the main stream view driven into his understimulated brain, cradle to grave chasing illusions and keeping his masters in power.
Corporate is fascism. Totalitarians. Building private armies of mercs to take care of dissenters and fema prison gullags equiped to move 2 million people each into enforced slavery even death itself in prebuilt gas chambers, under trumped up laws passed by bought and paid for politicians daily selling us out to the corporate regime. Do the math 650 x 2 million prisoners !
Corruption rules planet earth. So what are you going to do about that ? When ?? After the regime has stripped your lands, rights, freedoms, social safety nets, pensions, resources, lives and futures ? Choose.
Fine kettle of fish conformity has gotten us into. Conventionality is just another word for mass madness as a norm.
Socially engineered madness.
This aint no drive in movie folks. This is reality. Hard and cold as steel. Silence of the lambs in deed. Man will not fight for his life or his planet. Will not challenge the status quo of slavery. Will not sacrifice in any way as a mass of milling lunitics devour the planet while others impoverished by govt corporate collusions starve while tending commercial gardens for America and European markets.
Oh this is really gonna hurt ya.:) Im native american/euro and hard to kill. My survival is greatly enhanced by my forebearers historical resistance to to the regimes of past and present.,currently murdering indiginous peoples globally for resources while as a mass you sit and watch Sienfeld or some other waste of air time.
I see Karma alluded to often. If you knew how horrific that Karma will be you would kill your selves. A never waivering march to extinction for the many, a solitary and difficult survival for the few, who survive the next two decades. Aboriginal people are my best bet for regaining their paradise back soon, rode hard and put away wet, but redeemable.
Money powers the regime.
No workers no money. No Commerce no money. No capitualation no regime. Choose. Slavery or freedom. Resolve to be the greatest guerilla army on a global scale. Passively stay home. But first stock up, Leave the cities, wait them out and learn how to live like guerilla fighters. Don't work. Don't drive. Don't consume. Don't complain. Support each other. Defend your groups. Buy land in remote areas to sustain your virgils.
Your euro centricities are killing the planet and countless innocents globally. You are killing your futures conforming to fascist doctrines from centuries ago.
Perhaps the event we need will happen. Perhaps not. I for one am ready for any thing. I will defend my ground to the death and die proud and free. Already been dead and its far greater a state than living as a slave oppressed and used then tossed away with a pitance.
Good luck., Survivalists rejoice. TSHTF :) Boogy now :) See you in the forests of N America.
See you in the future of stillness and ravens feasts. Take no prisoners,:)
The old can afford the glory in their deaths fighting the evil corporate regime :)
Do not pity me for I am strong hearted !!
Research the corporate plan for you or slave your life away or even perish unwittingly. Not much time left you.
See the ever greater police powers, the greater brutality and contempt shown the people. Thats the future winking at you all. SO deny. So deny. iGNORE THEM THEY WILL GO AWAY :)
In a pigs eye. No pun intended. :)

Nancy Roussy (79)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:41 pm
I hope he is right! We all deserve to die! We are destroying our beautiful planet and her environment and we are killing and torturing every animals! I won't mention what we do to each others because the list is too long!

Mark M (0)
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Terry B (649)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:47 pm
That would be good news except for all of the other, innocent, creatures that the crowing glory of god's creation, Homo doofus,will drag down, too.

Mary Bethany Collins (5)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:48 pm
Were any other species (of approximate size and lifespan as humans) were to populate the earth as we have, I believe we would be murdering them left and right...

Terry B (649)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:48 pm
That was a typo, of course, and should have read "crowning glory."

But actually "crowing glory" fits the situation better.

Georga Grivois (19)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:49 pm
We'll be able to know more after 2012 comes and goes.

Magdalena M (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:51 pm
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I agree with Renata. I know that there is lots of good people, but we were quiet for too long. Too many bad things happened on the Earth both to people and animals. And we did this, maybe not with our hands, but by being quiet. We knew that innocent were dying and we didn't move a finger. I believe in Karma. Karma for me is an energy. You sent bad one you will get it back. And humans mostly are sending the bad one. OMG, it is so much around that I am surprised the world didn't blow out yet. How is it possible that we kill every Monday 30,000 dogs just in US?.But everybody is screaming loud when one bull gets dead in Spain. We don't want to see what in happening in our yard. Who gave us the right to do it? How many other animals do we kill? We act like barbarians, so we are next after dinosaurs. Of course governments and and all big rich corporations are doing bad job. But it is us who actually do it. They use our hands and legs. They just sit in a nice room and send orders... Regular people do the dirty job. So why blame just corporations? WE WORK FOR THEM!!! We carry the same responsibility. And if somebody is naive or ignorant, lives in denial is also responsible. That is why we all pay for it. I would call it a PAYBACK.

Ignorance these days is also

Lou Olive (41)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 12:57 pm
MMmmm yes a lot of talk here about the world ending instead of doing something for it not too! Does anyone here remember the millennium disaster, The world was suppose to end then too. It will END when and if we don't stop what we are doing to make it so! We need action here not pretty words or magicians!
We all need to be more responsible ans start to make things change now for the better, and it won't end.

MarieAnne D (93)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:01 pm
It's not only the professor who came to this conclusion... All of us with eyes and ears and brains, have seen this coming and I don't know about you, but I think it is scary and I hope I won't be around when IT happens. But... What about the children? Do we let them fend for themselves?

Lloyd Sevigny (20)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:02 pm
So it's finally hit home, we as a species will disappear in about 100 years. And still we make war, commit abuse, torture and murder of all the other animals and now we are included. Please people don't make any more children and we'd better hope that there is a higher power that will be of a forgiving nature. It has been pointed out, that no matter what we try and do, it's too late. If this is the case there will be riots, murders, suicides and a slowing down of the production of most industry and an increase in private militia, for the people who have the financial means to prolong their stay here a bit longer, so as not to have to share. I'm 68 and will not live to see the end but I can already see the beginning of the end. I would like to suggest a celebration for those of us who are enlightened enough to accept the end. Let's go out with a smile not a whine and a whimper. After all that's all we have been doing all of the life of mankind... bitching and complaining and blaming. Now that the news is in and we are on the way out... smile at your neighbors, take their hands and sing a song of goodbye. Thank you for reading.

AA S (136)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:04 pm
Nah, I disagree. I don't deserve to die. And I've only ever worked for the public sector, helping kids get an education. My parents grew our food. There are good people. I may not be perfect, but I'm sorry, I'm going to pass on the self-hatred for now and hold onto my morality instead.

I don't think extinction will happen completely either. Whether it's prevention or mitigation we should be aiming for I don't think matters. Doing something to make the world a better place is always worthwhile, even if the majority of people aren't.

Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:09 pm
It's not surprising. Between what we're doing to our oceans and warming....and allowing companies like Monsanto to tamper with our food supply and crops........
We're now signing the death sentence for our grandchildren and their children.

It's very sad that mankind has succumbed to greed to the point of self-destruction.

Carole Cherne (35)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:09 pm
Thanks, Kit, for once again sharing information everyone should have. My 22-year old son has been saying this since he was about 15. I try to encourage him that we cannot give up and that it's not too late if we work hard. And I try to believe that and do what I can. We cannot afford to surrender in the battle to save our beautiful planet.

Kenneth L (314)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:18 pm
Alice is right, Lloyd spews fatalism, apathy and death. Sorry Lloyd, you irritate the hell out of me with your 'celebrating the end' crap.
Someone else in this thread said there are many variables and factors in an equation. TRUE. ESPECIALLY ones we don't know about at this point in time. No one KNOWS, that is the KEY word, KNOWS, how it's going to end up or come out. So you're an idiot if you then sit back and revel in the scary doomsday scenario and even THINK about using it as an excuse to do nothing. That's not guts. That's not courage. That's worthless.

Julie P (17)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:19 pm
We are standing on the edge of a precipice. We can jump, fall, wake up or learn to fly!

Skip C (1)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:19 pm
After January 2013, when America puts proper presentation of her nuclear fusion science to work, only Right-thinking Christians and Jews will populate the world (well, Okay, maybe a few non-violent monks also)...and this prediction is equally as sound and credible as those of Funny Frank, Simple Simon, Nutty Nick and Prancing Prince. C'mon, folks...get real...the Incas already gave us scientific proof that the world ends in 2012! (LOL)

Kenneth L (314)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:22 pm
And Carole is right!
You know in an army or on a team, you don't want or need anyone who does not have the same goal and purpose as their teammates.. My advice is, if you want to give up on the human race or the planet, and not help, get off the team.! You weaken it, drag it down, make it less efficient. Simple.

Mandy M (13)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:29 pm
Noted, thank you Kit. The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:51 pm
I understand the bitterness many feel toward the human species, seeing it analogous to a plague-virus that feeds on everything in its path including its own species. I don't disagree that almost all of us share SOME portion of the blame for the state of things. But just the same I argue that many of our species are most often compassionate, unselfish, non-gluttonous, peaceful, benevolent and magnanimous, and that we owe it to them and their potential to do what we can to keep that potential alive for the possibility that some future generation will begin to get it right. In evolutionary terms we are an infant species. The laws of nature will determine the outcome, but our capacity to learn and make choices and take action for the sake other life is part of what arose in our species, and it is not yet proven powerless against its capacity for destruction of other life. Moreover I would argue the laws of nature tend to foster competition for resources and self-perpetuation. Carnivores are not kind to herbivores. Predators and parasites abound. The human species may be unequalled in its capacity for predation, including wanton predation, but it is also rare in its capacity to CONSCIOUSLY CHOOSE to sacrifice for the sake of other life. I hold out hope those with that capacity will survive such that eventually it is instinctive and thus innate to our species, and I choose to take such actions as I can to give that slim hope a chance to become a reality.

Lynn Allen (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:52 pm
Horse puckey!

Norm C (74)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:55 pm
We must change the paradigm with which the business community here and abroad operates. The consequences are too catastrophic to sigh and resignedly hide away. We need to confront the deniers with "Head Up Their A$$ Syndrome" at every available opportunity. We have an obligation to our kids and their kids to leave them with a legacy of hope instead of hopelessness and a clear path forward.

Michela M (3964)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 1:59 pm
SIGNED & COMMENTED!!! Thanks!! Ciao!! Michela

Michela M (3964)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 2:00 pm
300 SOCCER FIELDS of Rain forests are CLEARED EVERY HOUR in SE Asia to produce Palm Oil: a hidden, not labelled, very UNHEALTHY ingredient in the products WE BUY.
But WE don’t know!! it’s labelled as “Vegetable Oils”.
We want to know if they contain Palm Oil!!! We want the choice!!
SIGN & FORWARD as much as you CAN!!!!!

Peggy Peters (29)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 2:02 pm
This article seems to have home with everyone! I'm sure it comes as no surprise to any one that there is a real chance of humanity being obliterated by our own stupidity. It seems so much like science fiction I can hardly wrap my mind around the whole concept. Then I go outside and look around or I read just headlines on MSN then the reality of our little twilight zone themed life sets in hard!
No natural or man-made disaster has been dire enough to snap "us" out of our supreme destructive mode. REAL CHANGES not talk about a time for change MUST occur if we have any chance of survival. God has given humans the ability to develop our cognitive powers more and more everyday! Why not use our ever advancing brain power to solve some problems instead of creating them?
Egos must be set aside and the greater good for tomorrow needs to be the global focus. Look at us! We can’t even get along for 5 minutes to blog together! I am not expecting any one to hold hands, light candles and sing “Kumbayah!” It would be nice if we could start the change I mentioned with ourselves!
Never stop trying my friends or it really will be the end!

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 2:03 pm
The human species may be unequalled in its capacity for predation, including wanton predation, but it is also rare in its capacity to CONSCIOUSLY CHOOSE to sacrifice for the sake of other life. I hold out hope those with that capacity will survive such that eventually it is instinctive and thus innate to our species, and I choose to take such actions as I can to give that slim hope a chance to become a reality.

CollieGirl cg (26)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 2:23 pm
To my knowledge for 40 years people have been demanding their governments make drastic changes concerning the use of fossil fuels and preserving the environment and wildlife. Remember the cries of the so-called hippie generation? Stop corporate greed. Stop cutting down the rainforests. Stop polluting. Stop wars. No government listened.
It is astronomical the damage that man has done to this earth.
Forty years later, I too think that too much damage has been done. And I don't even see any hope in the governments making any steps to change it. In my opinion Copenhagen was a joke.
We do what we can to help with what we have. But until the government's stop drilling and mining, destroying forests, continue factory farming, etc. for products that are polluting the earth and stop the widespread usage of these sources in consumers products the damage will continue.
There will be no satisfaction in the end to say We told you so.
If it does take another 100 years, I am grateful that I will not see it. It has been too heartbreaking as it is.


Maryjane P (43)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 2:28 pm
There is so much to write and say. Too much...I believe what I read here to be true in almost all ways. I am aware of much of what has been expressed in the comments here. I believe that there is hope and that we should not be naive, but that we should be aware of what is happening (which many are, and the number is growing). We have a moral obligation to inform people...of course there is the certain risk of approaching those in denial, and being accused of being a nut, etc...but it isn't about validation at this point, it is about knowledge and true, radical change in the face of extreme adversity.

There are people from many different backgrounds, cultures and perspectives who are coming together, awakening...not only in a spiritual sense, but as this article indicates, there are scientists, and people from all around the world. We can take this information and prepare as individuals...and/or we can think clearly about possibilities to alter the outcome.

This article indicating the extinction of humans is based on is (almost) inevitable...but we should never dismiss the possibilities. We are the human race, we are part of a mass extinction for a variety of scientific, social and political reasons. (Not good ones).

We can learn, combine resources, information and ideas, because the ways of the world now lack integrity, and all that does not have integrity will fall away. This is a new age...between now and then (100 yrs, 10 yrs, 6 months)...what we must do is be realistic...see the grim reality of what we face, and with our human capabilites, attempt to triumph. If it does not unfold that way, then it was meant to be...but we cannot just throw in the proverbial towel. I hope that it is not too late to stop with the harnessing, abusing and going against nature...and that we prevail during a time of correcting and healing... Light and love to all.

Frania Duenas (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 2:51 pm
Won't really be surprising when it happens. Still it's a sad thing that we are the one's destroying ourselves. Many preach about wanting to do something to help the environment but it all is nothing but words.

Mary Donnelly (47)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:04 pm
Thanks Kit--interesting post.

Ricardo C (66)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:12 pm
Well, if everything continues as it is today, it would probably be before 100 years. With all the oil spewing into our oceans from various oil rigs, continually and unbeknownst to us and the pollution caused by cars and jets, I'd say by 2070 humans will cease to exist. But if all goes as depicted in the movie "Soylent Green" of 1973, humans might survive to 2110, as the scientist says. The politicians will be the last to go, because they will be making "Soylent Green" out of us!

Karl Schmiedeskamp (1)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:20 pm
Extinction seems very unlikely any time soon. A big die off within the next 1 - 2 hundred years looks almost certain to me. The increasingly impoverished world we are creating through climate change & the extermination of bio-diversity will eventually catch us too. Fortunately, WE are a very adaptable species and will almost certainly persist for a good long time to come. A livable, sustainable culture may well be in place in 3- 4 hundred years. This is the rough patch!

Rebecca Y (26)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:22 pm
In 1980, Ilya Prigogine said, "We used to think climate was determined. It had to do with the sun spots or the axis of the earth or clouds coming between the sun and the earth. But now we know that that is not true. We know now that that only two really important things are involved in climate: the energy coming out of the sun and the chemical surface of the biosphere. The surface of the earth is something we now can deal with, and so is the way sunlight reaches the earth. Scientists can begin to think about how to work with these two things. Climate, of course is a delicate matter. We must take care. But we have the technology to make deserts flourish again. And now we know that we are not merely prisoners of circumstances. We know we can interact with nature. This is the heart of my message. Matter is not inert. It is alive and active. Life is always changing one way or another through adaptation to nonequilibric conditions. With the old idea of a doomed determinist world now gone, we can feel free to make our fate for good or ill. Classical science made us feel that we were helpless witnesses to Newton's clockwork world. Now, science allows us to feel at home in nature. Nature is a part of us as we are a part of nature. We can recognize ourselves in the description we give it."
We are not doomed. We all have to do our part and we WILL survive in one form or another because animals (and humans are animals) learn to adapt. We MUST clean up our act, that is for sure.

Mack David (100)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:36 pm

Linda F (16)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:38 pm
Noted, certainly an eye open document. We are the result of our own greed, killing everything in site! Destroying our planet. now ourselves!

Ralph F (66)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:50 pm
I think I hear Planet Earth snickering.

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:53 pm
Kit, I just had to share this personal-experience anecdote: the scientist making this prediction is indeed part of the team that conquered smallpox. Years ago I led the collaboration that founded the Johns Hopkins Health After 50 newsletter, and among the people I had to persuade to approve of the collaboration was Don Henderson, then head of the Johns Hopkins Univ School of Public Health, who earlier won the Medal of Freedom for LEADING that team. They persisted despite the prevailing and worldwide view that eradication of smallpox was impossible. I'm grateful for Henderson's elderly colleague's warning, but remind that only persistence of effort makes the impossible or near-impossible possible. He and Henderson and a handful of others proved it in their own lifetimes. The fat lady may be clearing her throat, but she is not yet singing.

Marian D (57)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:58 pm
Noted. Thanks,Kit.

SuS NoMail Plez P (244)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:59 pm
Kit, thank you dearly for the Star! I just awoke and am amazed at the brilliant posts I've read! Gregory, as usual I send you thousands of Stars for your Brilliance as well as Suzanne! Reata, your post at 11:06am is Brilliant as well. Alice, your post was Brilliant too! I also agree with Loyd! I am so sorry dearest Louis, but I don't understand your thinking. So many are DOING EVERYTHING WITHIN THEIR POWER to get out the facts and educate! THEY HAVE BEEN FOR DECADES! I don't believe ANYONE on this thread is just sitting around, talking and doing nothing. It is such a shame you haven't visited SEN and the tens of thousand of hours TRYING to save what might not be savable in my opinion. BUT, I will never give up...EVER!
CHANGE is fought because of Corruption and Greed. There are so many ideas,facts,opinions as this is so very complicated! I love you dearly, but comparing this article with the milenium is like comparing apples and Einstein. Thank you all for allowing me to share a little PEACE of my HEART. I need to get back to bed...Sweet Dreams to ALL!

. (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 3:59 pm
Personally, I feel that the majority of humans do not deserve to live on a beautiful and unique planet such as Earth as they are a walking destruction more like a cancerous disease. With humans gone the Earth will have a chance to regenerate and come alive once more and the animals will finally be left alone and be free of humans who use and abuse at every chance they get. No more suffering for the animals and no more destruction of our planet. As far as I'm concerned this is good news. Thank you for this Blog.

Candace C (17)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 4:01 pm
the problem lies in the repeating pattern of humans NOT willing to adapt. they(we) fight the flow, thinking they(we) are better, can fix, can overbear. The "God" complex. They(we're) always thinking they (we) can outmaneuver the laws, the rules of nature which has gotten us to this place to start with. The majority of humans don't even believe there is a CRITICAL BALANCE in trouble. I don't think we can get enough people to believe and CHANGE ENOUGH to stop the momentum. BUT WE CAN'T GIVE UP BECAUSE WE ARE WORTH IT AND SO IS OUR MOTHER EARTH!!! Just watching the sun rise in the morning with the air fresh to start the new day and the hummingbirds darting in and out of the flowers in my yard. The baby anythings with the outright smiles on their faces and absolute joy in their actions makes me WANT TO TRY!!!

Rebecca Y (26)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 4:05 pm
Mack David....we aren't still cavemen or Cro-Magnons, etc,are we? so we have evolved and adapted. We survived many global disasters and our numbers may decline but I believe man is capable of solving the problems we have made. Who knows what the surviving humans will look like...we ARE a part of nature and we are evolving before our very eyes...can't you see it?

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 4:27 pm
OK, I know it is too late for most of you, reading and comprehension.
The head line
Human race ‘will be extinct within 100 years’, claims leading scientist
The quote
Fenner told The Australian newspaper that ‘homo sapiens will become extinct, perhaps within 100 years.’
They are not the same!
perhaps is left out of the headline.causing feableminded people to get worried.
This is the kind of crap they do in The National Enquirer and the IPCC
Fenner, 95, is going senile, it is a shame.
And it comes after Professor Nicholas Boyle of Cambridge University said that a ‘Doomsday’ moment will take place in 2014 – and will determine whether the 21st century is full of violence and poverty or will be peaceful and prosperous.
no proof or even explanation.
IRONY a person who worked to eradicate small pox which would have kept the population down is now worried about OVERPOPULATION
even @ Kenneth L doesn't believe this crap and he will believe almost anything.

Len Forster (12)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 4:37 pm
Well, y'all, either he's right, or he's not right. If he's right and governments around the world do nothing to forestall it, then we're toast. On the other hand, all governments could cooperate, and we still end up toast. Personally, I tend to agree with him. For a long time, I have believed that mankind would suffocate on all the pollution we've put into the air before the end of this century. Nothing I see today changes my mind. There might be a small pocket of mankind that survives, and, if it does, maybe they will have learned something for the next go around. It won't matter to the rest of us, because, toasted, we will have been consumed and disappear from the planet. Could that be all bad? The planet would be much happier. That's for sure.

Catrina Velez (46)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 4:39 pm
The doctor is probably right, but it may take a few centuries longer than he predicts, and with a lot more pain and suffering than he implies. Considering Man's inability or unwillingness to control his appetite for sex, opposing abortion and birth control is absolute lunacy, given the plague of human beings that are devastating this finite planet. This situation reminds me of a sinkhole I observed as a child. It was a steep-sided four foot deep, oblong hole in a large rock, partially filled with rainwater and algae. Frogs fell in, and they could not get out. With nothing else to do, they mated and mated until their numbers overwhelmed their tiny world. Pathologies appeared; cannibalism, the devouring of tadpoles and eggs, homosexuality, with males mounting males and females attempting to couple with females, and abandoning normal egg laying habits. The sinkhole began to stink from the frogs accumulating waste and the decay of their corpses. I felt so sorry for them that I brought a long board and stuck it in at an angle, so the frogs could climb out. But by then, they all were so demoralized and corrupted that only one or two hopped up on the escape. Instead of climbing to freedom, they sat there until they either died of dehydration or fell back in. HUNANITY, LET THIS BE A LESSON!

Yvonne White (229)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 4:45 pm
I don't think the Earth can get rid of us that easily - we're too much like oppossums: scavengers, mean, not real bright, but we could outlast any rival species..;)

Anne K (139)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 4:52 pm
Hooray! Break out the champagne!

"Free at last; free at last; thank God Almighty we are free at last."

Gloria H (88)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 4:52 pm
My ex is Mormon. they are suppossed to hoard food, water. I asked him, what if our neighbors come to us asking for food? He said it was their problem. What ever happened to being Christian and sharing??? apparently not a Mormon problem. know whose house to go to when you get hungry "in the end times"!
Personally, want to go long before that. I am tired of politians lying, sales people lying to make a sale, etc. We no longer care about the earth, animals or one another. Too damned many people. I never reproduced myself and never regreted it...I'm amazed that people want to bring children into what may well become Hell. Better to foster or adopt unfortunates that are already here.

Michael Carney (217)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 4:54 pm
Sadly, all the problems that we face, are Man Made, and most because some Corporation wanted to make money...It's sad that our species, is so brilliant, yet so ignorant, and stupid, and greedy at the same time...I hope for the best, but expect the worst...Our Dear Mother Earth, cannot live much longer, with all that we've done to her, in the name of profit...

manushya van pelt (6)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 5:14 pm
alle volkeren van de Aarde zouden al de regeringen van alle naties aangeven voor waanbeleid.

Kit H (173)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 5:18 pm
manushya v. in Dutch: alle volkeren van de Aarde zouden al de regeringen van alle naties aangeven voor waanbeleid.
English translation: All peoples of the Earth would indicate all the governments of all nations for illusion administration.

josie batlles (44)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 5:19 pm
Nahh..I don't believe this one bit. I remember in the sixties people giving out leaflets about the 'end of the world' bla bla....we no doubt face challenges but it has been the case all along. Interesting article..thank you for sharing.

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 5:21 pm
Google translated Manshya's comment above as follows: "all peoples of the Earth would have the state governments of all nations for delusional policy". Obviously Google's translation garbles her words, but it seems clear enough she is hoping people of every nation will demand sane policies from their governments.

Catherine Ignatowski (80)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 5:44 pm
Noted. I don't feel likeputting the lame game on anyone. We should preserve and persevere and maybe there won't be an end. I also feel that it;s up to us to leave the earth to the future of our children

Oscar N (26)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 5:52 pm
Unlikely, unless we are hit by an asteroid large enough to extinguish life. At the very worst (within 100 yrs) it would be kinda like the movie "Mad Max". Where countries, economies and living standards deteriorated. Man is a survivor and if push comes to shove, he will shove. It may not be the prettiest sight. But, the alpha man gets the food and power. The weaklings will scavenge or die. Unfortunately, these last two are already indicative of the way the world is. Hopefully, mankind will enforce the necessary changes soon enough to at least delay its' demise. We will be here for another 5,000 years at least.

manushya van pelt (6)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 5:54 pm
I mean that there should be a mondial union of lawyers to denounce all earth´s governaments for delusional policy

Kathlene Lentz (30)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 6:09 pm
I don’t know if he’s right, but I do know that unless the people of this earth start respecting the planet and the creatures on it, we are all doomed. God spare me the right-to-life extremists who kill anything that moves as long as it isn’t human; the environmentalists who use more oil, gas and electricity to make their point about consumption than most of use normally consume; and all the other hypocrites out there who descry the destruction of the earth while quietly going on about their lives destroying everything that gets in their way. Come on, people! Don’t just talk, DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE! Start with not using as much electricity, or not killing that spider just because it’s in your house. A small step, but at least it’s a positive step.

Sylvie M (46)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 6:24 pm
All these "save the planet" slogans make me LOL:
Our Planet will recover, because Mother Nature always finds a way to recover, even in the most improbable places such as the Mount St Helens after the eruption in 1980, or after forest fires, or even the biggest oil spills. Nature has found its way again in Pripyat, the city near to Chernobyl, in which no humans shall be able to live safely for the next 1,0,???? years.

But... the human "civilisations" which, ever since we may call them "civilised" lasted less than 10,000 years, from ancient China to Egypt up to today's madness.

My HO is the Homo Sapiens shall not completely go extinct, because there're already too much of us here. But if the population decreased down to, let's say, a few thousands on each continent, I wouldn't be surprised.

I wish I could become as small and resistant as one of these bacteria species able to survive traumas such as a nuclear blast, just to see what happens.

Sorry if I sound pessimistic.... but at almost 53 years old, I must admit that, no matter how hard I had tried with my hubby in the 80s and early 90s, I am now very happy NOT to have raised any children, because I would be ashamed of leaving them with such a rotten heritage.

Gysele van Santen (213)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 6:35 pm
we're headed to self-destruction

Aletta Kraan (146)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 7:48 pm
Noted , thanks !

Lois K (24)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 7:54 pm
"In 2006 another esteemed academic, Professor James Lovelock, warned that the world’s population may sink as low as 500 million over the next century due to global warming. "

Good. Nothing could be better for humanity or the planet. Humans are a blight upon the world.

Eternal G (745)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 7:55 pm
Gosh, I'm amazed, I thought we hadn't longer than 50 years or less. But since we keep on breeding like rabbits and literally spread ourselves as a malignant tumour over our own paradise, sorry to smash the dream of all the people who actually thought paradise would come after death! Not so.
I wish I could be more optimistic, but doubt that humans (the majority of them) will ever reach awareness. The majority will wait for change to happen instead of taking responsibility for that on an individual level, or stick their heads into religious smoke to pretend everything is all right ! Dream on!

Viola H (7)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 8:02 pm
First of thank you for the article :) As a scientist I have to say this is all normal...we are headed for another ice age...this is part of our normal life cycle. Are we speeding things up...oh yeah,and being over populated is not helping nor us treating this planet like we have another one in the trunk ( J. Fonda quote) Plus I think mother nature is just fighting as Oma always everyday as if it was your last :)

Mary C (148)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 8:22 pm
It is quite chilling to consider that we are so self destructive as to idly sit by and allow ourselves to pass on, but I wonder if ultimately the human race was built with a suicidal bent to begin with. These types of statistics have been available for decades, that's already horrifying enough! We've been sitting here, seeing ALL the signs and reading all the stories and then allowing the governments, the media, etc...pat our heads and assure us that it is just propaganda in their dulcet tones with their chemically bleached teeth, toaster tans, manicured fingernails, and bellies full of chemically induced...dare i say..."food" and we know its crap, but we "sleep on it" so to speak, and it keeps happening anyway. Even the company I work for, (I'll not mention their name so as not to potentially reduce their stock price and lose my job) gave us a fully statistically viable presentation last year regarding population boom, compared to energy consumption rates, compared to available food supplies (what with the agonisingly shrinking agricultural base, just to start things off) and it was clear to see that even within the next decade (so long as everyone keeps their fingers off "the button" and their nasty thoughts to themselves) we will see DRASTIC shortfalls, the beginning of starvation in areas as they can no longer import enough food-due to falling crop yeilds and rising input costs, not to mention the drastic water shortages, rising global temperatures, it any wonder that a scientist might come to the conclusion that we have an expiry date? ABSOLUTELY NOT! I will do what I can with organisations like 10:10 and and hope for the best, but more than a few people have to be at their best in order for anyone to be able to change this.

Agnes H (144)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 8:54 pm
Noted, I don't give it 100 yrs! Far too long unless like one said we ALL go Vegan and somehow I cannot see that happen. We should leave the animal kingdom alone. That'll be the only way to save this world. I agree with quite a few of you but also have my own thoughts!

Elvira S (82)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 9:07 pm
I should retire sooner than planned. One again, I'm glad that I've chosen not to reproduce.

Edgar Zuim (47)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 9:14 pm
Indeed, a nuclear war might extinguish humanity. As we have some men insane commanding some nations, it is likely to happen.
Advances in medicine have allowed around the world to prolong the life of human beings.
Unfortunately the stupid human being is not knowing take advantage.

Alison A (244)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 9:26 pm
I agree Agnes, I doubt it will take 100 years and we should leave the animal kingdom alone, we are the reason this world is doomed, all animals will suffer at our hands, just like they always do.

As mere people, many of us have been desperately trying to reduce our carbon footprint, so that our children and our children's children may have a future, but it is too late really, not only are we being cancelled out by the constant progression of industry, but like the Professor said, we are merely buying time. But are we the only ones who can see it?? Do the people who 'run' this world, not want a future for their own families?

I have always said that we have become too clever for this world, how ironic that this will be what causes our demise,

Noted with thanks Kit.

April Davis (0)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 9:30 pm
Thank you Kit! No doubt if we don't do something soon the human race will be extinct within 100 years. Humans are too smart for our own being, we are what make our world suffer.

Alison A (244)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 9:31 pm
The really upsetting thing is that we are such a selfish species, we will hang on and destroy everything in our path before we give up and become extinct, I know this means that many animals will suffer so unnecessarily, I really hope it doesn't come early, I don't want to be around for that.

pam w (139)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 9:35 pm
One or two of you know I'm in Africa at the moment and have spent almost three weeks looking at the effect of human over-population-- pollution, horrendous trash dumps and filthy waters among them. We will never turn around the over-population problem until we reach the relgious leadership and get them to help!

Here, a "REAL MAN" has many children, sometimes with multiple wives. Consider the Catholics, Muslims and Mormons and their "populate the earth/build our relgion" agendas.

Certainly, some progress is being made, but it's uphill all the way.

I've been asking myself what might happen to the planet if we disappeared...I can't see many negatives in that.

Dalia H (1280)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 9:47 pm
Great Post.
Noted and Thank You so much for posting and sharing with Us my Beloved Kit.
Much Love,

Kendra richards (4)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 9:56 pm
I have got to the point where Ive learned that we have and need to place our faith and trust exclusively in christ and what he did at the cross. I have recently made the decision to NOT worry myself and constantly upset myself over the thingss that are inevitable, the things I can not control. I trust That God WILL take care of HIS people. I do believe that we dont have much time left on earth but I know for a fact that God will watch over and protect his own. THE THING IM REALLY WORRIED ABOUT IS ALL OF THE PPL THAT ARE IN DIRE NEED OF CHRIST BEFORE THE WORLD DOES END. I PRAY FOR EACH OF YOU TO GET SAVED & TAKE UP A REAL, AMAZING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LORD. HE IS YOUR ONLY SOURCE OF HOPE AND ETERNITY.

pam w (139)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:00 pm
No offense, but your post reminds me of people who sit around praying that the divine deity will stop the rains before they're all drowned......then, they drown.

Proselytizing doesn't do a thing to help the problem of human overpopulation.

William K (308)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:20 pm
I do not think that humanity will go extinct, barring a major cataclysmic disaster. I think that we will see the complete collapse of some major ecosystems in a domino effect, I think that we will see major human suffering, massive die offs and life boat politics of the worst kind. Monsanto et al. will get to determine who lives and who dies. I think that this will occur in my children's life times, but it may occur in mine as well.

While it is tempting to go off and join the Republican Party (for it seems that they represent the people who are living like there is no tomorrow - maybe they know something that we do not?) and, as it were, "join the party," I think that I shall choose otherwise. And do my best. What more can anyone do?


Julie van Niekerk (230)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:28 pm
I am not surprised, be cause it ourselfes. It is the ignorance of the human being. Take responsibility for you actions and look around you and see what is happening to humans and nature.

Animae C (516)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:32 pm
Hmmm interesting looks like science might be synchronising with myth, religion, predictions, etc.
Could be 2012 then?
We still must do all we can for Mother Earth & reject fear from the many catastrophobics out there!
The future has always been uncertain....

Thomas Nordwest (4)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:33 pm
I'm not shocked or even surprised. This exactly what my conclusions over the status-quo of mankind are.

God will take care of mankind, and that's why we will become extinct if we continnue like that. And when I say "we" I mean "people who do not care." So actually not the ones who READ this, but all the others who don't! And that's exactly the problem: most people don't care!!

One more word to God: I don't beleive in one superbeing, I KNOW that there is God. For me God is the working of karma, the natural law that every action triggers a reaction. So in a sense works like an all-powerful being, but it doesn't favor anyone and if mankind is stupid enough to make grave mistakes there will be grave reactions from Earth. We will simply be wiped from evolution, like the Neandertals. Most likely through an Ice Age (because of Global Warming) followed by wars with nuclear weapons. The survivors will find no more food and will have no technology left to repair anything, they will starve to death. And planet Earth will re-grow nature over our remains.

We still have time to change, but it would have to be a radical change! We would have to overpower the people who destroy this planet and wildlife and throw nations into chaos and re-order. This would not be possible without violence, sad to say so. The rich of the world will not give up their destructive path freely, they will try to keep on going. ... Because of our social and legal eductaion we are not used to such drastic actions, we hold back and think we can solve this problem the "smooth, easy, nice" way. And that's just liek doing NOTHING, that's' why the human species will become extinct in a few decades.

Jo Hofreiter (20)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:10 pm
Here we go again..., first is was 2012, then 2014, now in a hundred years.
I don't know about you all, but I hope my descentants are happy and thriving 100 years from now.
Yes, of course, right now we are doing a LOUSY job, but...we CAN do better!
BUT, have you friends noticed that a lot of us are aware of our situation.
That's good, because that means we will survive and flourish!

Take care,

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:33 pm
Interesting article and fascinating comments.
Thank you Kit.

Catrina Velez (46)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:38 pm
Recently, I received a donation request from a charity that helps poor people with microloans. It recounted the "success story" of an African woman who now has her own business, employing seven. BUT, this woman was forced into marriage at 14, and had two children before her married husband's first wife kicked her out. Then,she married another African as poor as she and they had eight more children. Then,, desperate, he went away to search for work, caught a disease and came home to die. But before he died, he impregnated her with two more children. Do the math! That's a total of ten more people from this one woman, as opposed to seven she can employ. I say NOT ONE CENT for that charity until they start passing out birth control before handing out money.

linda b (186)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:47 pm
Noted Thank you.

low beng kiat (128)
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 11:54 pm

Alamzeb Khan (401)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:00 am

H Nick H (1826)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:12 am
We have politicans (right wing) who desire the "end of the world." They look forward to the 2nd coming of Christ, and manupulate things towards that end. Sick! But, you can watch them in action as they try to stop evry positive thing being proposed by some more positive people. Repbulicans and some "conservative democrates seek to undermine the very fabric of our nation.

In doing this, they make it seem that WE as a people are going down the drain in quick order. All one has to do is look at the Bush years, and see how our nation (and the world), came to the brink of financial disaster. We are letting climiate go to He_lL , and destroying the enviornment, and the average people. It makes me sad, and angry. And they do this in the "name of God."

The good thing is that this destruction and decline of the human race is NOT written in stone. It can be changed. And the good people around the world (so many here on CARE) are doing things one step at a time in positive directions. It gives me hope, makes me feel proud to be connected to such wonderful people. Humans caring for humans, and Mother Nature.

Please keep up your good work for the benifit of US all. Thank you.

Rana Sinha (50)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:12 am
We are definitely doing our best to hasten it.

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:16 am
Oh yes Nick, there are a lot of people who are definitely working to bring about Armageddon.

Mike H (252)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:27 am
Thanks. interesting food for thought. I try to act locally and think globally. I am not sure if humans will be extinct in one hundred years. I fear that it might be a post apocalyptic type scenario. A crash of industrial society followed by localized violence, roving gangs and a very terrible place to be. I will continue to try to make this world a better place as I am sure others will.

Andrea M (23)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:32 am
Sadly, I agree about certain animal species, but I'm very skeptical about the human race dying off in 100 years. Technically that's not that far away. Unless something catastrophic happens, this is just a theory. Of course, I doubt that any of us posting here will be around in 100 years anyway, but children are being born every day. It's depressing to think that those children won't have the opportunity to live to be 100. I don't have kids, but because my grandfather lived to be 99 (he would be 100 this November), it seems far fetched to think about the end of the human race.

Kerrie G (116)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:38 am
Noted, thanks.

Ibolya Emese Andrasofszky-sarkany (18)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:41 am

Melissah C (389)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:42 am
Quite scary but we CAN do something about this.

Leslie W (42)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:54 am
Thank you for the informative article! It has been noted.

Thomas C (116)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:58 am
No good burying ones head in the sand there is only so much life that the planet can support! The con artists of companies like Mansanto are busy trying to convince us of their altruistic desire to feed the world with their "miracle" Frankenfood when of course the technology option has always been flawed by the reality of their profit driven motive. Native populations have survived for tens of thousands of years whereas technologically dependant empires such as the Greeks, Romans, Chinese, British etc count their empire longevity in hundreds of years despite their technological advancement! Even the egotistical madman Hitler whose thousand year Riech empire modelled on the Roman empire was short lived. Managed to reek more destruction in a dozen years than any before him and hopefully since! America is so blinded by it's ego that it cannot see the lessons of history as it foolhardy engages in the same kind of wars any of those mentioned previuosly carried out! Even the past failures of the British and Russians in Afghanistan seem to have eluded their comprehension, the "enemy" being an indegenous native who has also embraced the technology of war! Blessed with such awsomely shocking stupidity what hope is there for the fate of mankind or any other of the animal or natural kingdom! We are good at destruction and inventing euphamistic terminolgy such as "collateral" damage when we either kill innocent civilians children or even our allies in war! Civilisation eludes our short term greedy endeavours like there is no tomorrow and if we keep up the present pace of destruction and reproduction there will be no tomorrow and likely sooner than a hundred years hence! In the the words of the keyboard testers of old "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party"! The party not being a political one but the party of mankind and animals and nature! Stop the destruction, Stop unprotected sex, Ban guns and all weapons of destruction, Educate the ignorant starting with politicians!

Arild Gone for now (174)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 1:30 am
Thanks Kit.

Cheree M (46)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 1:30 am
Interesting & informative. TY for sharing

Edward M (8)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 1:35 am
I hope I live to see it.

chris b (2474)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 2:10 am
Not yet worked out how the activities of gay people add to the problem of population explosion but no doubt some hyper bigoted individual will inform me! As for the good doctor C's contribution he has taken the words from my mouth and there is not a lot I can add apart from suggesting the ignorant politicians and others read note and inwardly digest while there may still be time to reverse this trend.
I don't know whether it's global warming but yesterday I witnessed a collared dove attempting to mate with a wood pigeon twice it's size perhaps a case of "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"! I've often felt that as our entire human achievements can be demonstrated with a mere 26 letter alphabet than we ain't up to much! However judging by the vocabulary and ethos of some of the more ignorant and stupid of our politicians educating the ignorant is a priority that should definitely commence with politicians! The only hope for our planet is population reduction and thereby resource demand reduction.
The BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico is but one tiny example of our consummate greed for wasteful energy and the change of CEO of BP indicative of the transitory nature of power however the uncomplimentary remarks of the departing CEO do nothing to improve the image of that dirty industry and I bet his pay off and leaving package will rival anything given to failing bankers!
Read any local newspaper and you hear people bemoaning anything from the state of the roads to the volume of dog muck in public parks etc. What these same people forget is that if we were not so profligate with our life styles then the roads would not be cluttered with huge 4x4s during the school run, we would take time to clean up our dog's products, our children would walk to school and perhaps not suffer from parent and junk food induced obesity! Some might even have taken the awesome decision not to add to the world's population thereby reducing the demand for roads, housing, hospitals, schools and many other population dependent resources! It is strange how many of the people who object to population census in the US are the very people adding to the problem!
When will the message get through to some of the unaware sections of the population that all of the worlds woes are generated by us but the only one we have direct control over is literally in our own hands much as the crude comment written over the urinals in a public lavatory states "The future of Britain is in your hands" of course the nation is irrelevant as the maxim applies universally! The message however crudely interpreted is also universal if we do nothing at some point the finite resources of mother earth will be converted into so much human biomass that there will not be enough food and water to sustain life as we know it, it having already been locked up in excess human bodies. The old physical laws state that matter can neither be created or consumed it simply changes its state! When people cotton on to that simple fact perhaps they will give up war, greed and excess reproduction and be happy with less which as we all know is more! If a radical rethink to our attitude to sex is not embraced we are doomed as a race and the animals and nature with us!

Thomas C (116)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 2:50 am
Thanks for the compliment Chris B. I do admire the faith of those who are trusting in God to sort it out! It may be worth pointing out that apart from the obvious that according to most religions God is fairly recent invention, with the Jewish one being around 6000 the Christian one around 2000 and the Muslim one being around 1600 years old! If any of these are the true God he or she has not made a very good job of his or her creation so far and the implied perversity of a being who has unleashed a lab experiment of humanity to work out its own salvation free will or any of the religous computations one cares to quote or address. Religion has a vested interest in population explosion to maintain numerical superiority. Religious history over the relatively short period that religion has existed and been document is ful lof oppression of non believers and cruel wars to furher their own particular ends often accompanied by sexual mutilation in the military process much the same as the US indulged in against the Native Americas and in Vietnam and Iraq. The same kind of death to the infidel , non religionist or simailar rhetoric can be heard from the extremists in the US,UK, Israel, Iran and elsewhere so I would not wish to pin my hope on such a war loving group! Taking no action to address the problem and leaving leaving it all up to God will result in the inevitable consequences of the ensuing disaster being blamed on God! Not taking action is an abrogation of our personal responsibility blaming God is far too convenient as a way of avoiding our individual and collective responsibilities! Blaming any of the probabilities of our action s on God is no diiferent from the child who blames a fictitiuos friend when some naughty actiivity is discovered by their parent " The other John/Jane did it"! Blaming ourselves is taking personal responsibility something that those who profess the Christian faith should be comfortable with, doing something about it is what got Jesus in strife in his life time! We have to follow that example if we want to have any hope of averting disaster even if we cause a bit of strife for some in our efforts!

manushya van pelt (6)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 2:57 am
Last year looking at two NASA episods on Discovery I heard NASA saying that over 15 years there won´t be water or food voor the human and animals living on the earth, this is the reason why NASA want to reach Mars, they are planning to send 5000 people to the red planet within 10 years ...after having been killing the earth they are now going to export their deadly cancer to the other planets.
When we talk about the human race,things as...the human race will not desappear etc...we generalise and minimise the problem....we should think in terms as...I will desappear, my children will desappear...DEAD.
I do not care if those who are destroying our life will survive, because those people ARE NOT HUMAN, they are devil´s energies within a human form.
A head,arms and legs do not make a human, they are but deadly parassits using thr human form as an alibi.
No real human would ever done anything to destroy life...the natives of all continent are the only real humans ever.And who are we than? The devil´s children? Yes, till we keep on using things that kill life we will always be part of the devil´s army.

kasaija n. (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 3:40 am
if we have done more harm to nature in just 100yrs than the past years i think we have less than that, every leader is thinking of nuclear bombs as the best security just one global earthquake can cause this dream 100 years to become seconds. point is we never learn.

Mike M (40)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 4:11 am
Well then Mother Earth will have time to restore herself and hopefully the next bunch are not a stupid as we are!

Lena Karlsson (5)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 4:52 am
Wow, imagine the moment when it occurs to everyone that we are doomed and there is no turning back. The riots, the violence, the religious wars that will burst out... Scary.

. (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 5:29 am
Humans certainly have the potential to go extinct in theory; however, I don't believe there is anywhere near enough evidence for any scientist to claim that it will happen or that it will happen within the next century.

And any scientist who believes he has irrefutable evidence that an inevitable extinction will occur soon would be irresponsible in the extreme to say so. Because, as a scientist, he should know that no scientific theory is ever perfect or certain and if too many people believe him they will quite possibly give up on trying to solve the problems of this world. And if he happened to be wrong, the effect of his pronouncement on humanity could create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

. (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 5:36 am
And Renata? Humans aren't herbivores. We are omnivores and our closest relatives in the animal kingdom also eat flesh (chimpanzees). I don't eat meat for ethical reasons; however, I also recognize that veganism isn't going to save the planet in and of itself or keep humanity from ever being hungry or thirsty again.

ReA S. (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 6:06 am
each and every one of us are damn concious about the fact but yet ?????? and what about 2012????

. (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 6:17 am
"2012", ReA, is merely an artificially-named span of time comprised of 366 circlings of the sun by the earth. It will be preceded by 2011 and will be followed by 2013.

Davis Amedu (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 7:15 am
not if 2012 goes down

Debra Van Way (12)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 8:26 am
Whenever humans cease to exist-can it really be counted as a loss? Not so sure about that.

Vikram Chhabra (394)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 8:40 am
A very interesting perspective. It is very hard to predict the future, but one day all things come to an end, including humanity.

Linda Mills (104)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 9:21 am

Jessie H (75)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 9:56 am
That's not good news. :(

End CrueltyDeb Williams-Shepard (154)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 10:15 am
Maybe. Who knows.

Tekla Drakfrende (82)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 10:32 am
well that will solve a lot of problems on the earth.....

Ralph S (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 10:35 am
How depressing and how plainly reasonable all this becomes!

Adding to this mess the other night we had a TV program on all the poisons we wear and consume! Children's toys are controlled but not the packaging, and some of the ingredients of plastic act like hormones and are absorbed directly through the skin! As a result male humans are becoming sterile in larger numbers!
I now believe that _all_ plastic wrap and packaging should be totally banned from the Earth! Not only do the chemicals in plastic attack us directly through our skin, but we consume the chemicals via its contact with our food and our clothing, and finally the plastic and chemicals all gather together in the center of each ocean in the 5 gyres (look that up with google!) and continue the destruction of our food chain! Even chemicals that are banned in Europe come in via imports from less savory places!

Do you really think that we will be able to last one hundred years?

. (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 10:50 am
I too am suprised we are still around. Just sad

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 11:08 am
Lena (re your comment above at 4:52AM Wednesday), actually that is already happening in its early stages:
ongoing war in the Middle East is a result of competition for access to and control of the last of the easily-drilled and thus cheap oil in the region, which the world is running out of. Religious and nationalistic factors play a role, but the longest war in USA history (ie Afghanistan) comes on the heels of two wars in Kuwait and Iraq because of the oil. One of the resources we are depleting in this century.

pam M (98)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 11:18 am
. . . and the bad news is what? We've practically destroyed this beautiful planet and will continue to do so if our political naysayers have anything to do with it.

We're unable to get along with each other, and I see nothing changing in the foreseeable future. In our techno gizmo world we've gained no insight into humanity only faster methods in transferring the message of hate. We were given diminon over animals, but we cannibalize the earth, and are slowing working on killing every living thing on it.

We're worse than animals who kill only to survive, we kill 'cause its fun, and to steal. There's only a handful of mankind that are true humanitarians the rest take up air time and space. So this is actually good news.

Robert O (12)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 12:28 pm

Buffy F (93)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 1:44 pm
Wow, I was reading the posts of the original site. I agree with what they are saying.Thank you for this article.

Jewel Barbier (12)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 2:04 pm
Well this is really telling it like it is. Really very scary too as we all know mother earth can't take much more of the abuse. Look at the tragedy unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico all because of humans and their OIL. OIL and $$$$, that makes the world go round and will cause her demise too. I'm 60 and have lived a long life I think but what about all those new babies being born every day. What is their world going to be like, will there even be a world. I am so glad I am not of child bearing age as that is a tough decision to make. My sons are grown but not married yet. I

Marianna molnar woods (9)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 2:14 pm

ChanTlalok Rain C (363)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 2:22 pm
Maybe yes and maybe no. The powers to be must have some kind of plan up their sleeve? Native peoples around the globe who live in their ancient lands and ways might also survive. Plus aliens might ship some of us to their planet?

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 2:47 pm
I second what Chris and Thomas said above and I must confess I am appalled at the number of people implying in their comments they will just stand by helplessly, and the greater number angrily or cavalierly saying with unminced words "good riddance" to the whole of humanity including -- extinction or not -- the extra billions who will suffer horrific deprivations if we all do nothing, perhaps my own child included, and all the rest who are innocent included, and with them vast numbers of animals and species, innocents all.

I hope what I'm reading is for the most part rhetoric shorn of allowance for innocent human-animal life for the purpose of making a point.

Michelle Matthews (287)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 3:19 pm

Kit H (173)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 3:20 pm
Most of us have ranted our feeling of frustration because of the lack of change for decades although we have known about all the problems.

May I suggest that we start to have a constructive discussion from this point, each of us at least give one positive input of change!


Leslie Filer (6)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 3:21 pm
Not sure that I agree with this as there is heaps we can do if we join forces to stop this happening

Kit H (173)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 3:22 pm
May I be the first.

We become vegetarians or eat as little meat as possible. We get rid of the factory farms.


The United States, one of the more efficient livestock producers, uses 6.9 kilograms of corn and soy to put one kilogram of pork on the table. US corn fields--producing mostly feed--alone consume about 40 percent of the country's nitrogen fertilizer, along with more total herbicides and insecticides than any other crop. More than 3,000 liters of water are used to produce a kilogram of American beef. A "nitrate cloud" contaminating groundwater under agricultural land.

One-third of the Earth's land surface bear the scars of improper livestock management: proliferating weeds, depleted soils, and eroded landscapes. Cattle play a prominent role in global desertification--the reduction of dryland's ecological productivity. Forest destruction for ranching also contributes to climate change.

From the most immediate impacts--nitrogen contamination and retreating grasses--to the most far-reaching--loss of species and climate change--current methods of rearing animals around the world take a large toll on nature. Overgrown and resource-intensive, animal agriculture is out of alignment with the Earth's ecosystems.

It is cruelty for those animals live a horrendous life before slaughering. In the United States, around ten billion animals are slaughtered every year in 5,700 slaughterhouses and processing plants. In Canada, 650 million animals are killed annually.[3] In the European Union, the annual figure is 300 million cattle, sheep, and pigs, and four billion chickens.[4]

Slaughterhouses which process meat unfit for human consumption are sometimes referred to as Knacker's yards or Knackeries.

Slaughtering animals on a large scale poses significant logistical problems and public health concerns, with public aversion to meat packing in many cultures influencing the location of slaughterhouses. In addition, some religions stipulate certain conditions for the slaughter of animals so that practices within slaughterhouses vary.

There has been criticism of the methods of preparation, herding, and killing within some slaughterhouses, and in particular of the speed with which the slaughter is sometimes conducted. Investigations by animal welfare and animal rights groups have indicated that a proportion of these animals are being skinned or gutted while apparently still alive and conscious.[5] There has also been criticism of the methods of transport of the animals, who are driven for hundreds of miles to slaughterhouses in conditions that often result in crush injuries and death en route.[6] Slaughtering animals is opposed by most vegetarians and animal rights groups on ethical grounds.

Kit H (173)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 3:44 pm
I agree with Leslie Filer that there is heaps we can do if we join forces to if not stopping but at least mitigating this happening.


Thomas Nordwest (4)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 4:27 pm
First thing is that everyone really sticks to what we know! To change life like that may be very hard. That means: not eating meat (animal gases cause global warming), no kids (stop overpolulation), stop driving and flying or reduce to minimum or get electric car, save water and electricity, save food, recylce what you can, sign petitions and become active, inform others about the problems!

Kit H (173)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 4:29 pm
Localization not globalization. Each region becomes self-sufficient as much as possible in their economy. Small and integrative approach in farming, that is organic. Buy and eat local. We need our factories in the US.

Kit H (173)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 4:37 pm
Make our government seriously invest in research and development of green technologies to hasten the adoption and the implementation of green living. We need solar, wind, geothermal, natural kinetic energy that can be harnessed, for example, tidal waves.

Interesting article:

Solar-powered process could decrease carbon dioxide to pre-industrial levels in 10 years

In the Solar Thermal Electrochemical Photo (STEP) carbon capture process, the sun’s visible light and heat are used to capture large amounts of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and convert it to solid carbon for storage or carbon monoxide for fuel generation. Image copyright: Stuart Licht, et al. ©2010 American Chemical Society.

( -- By using the sun's visible light and heat to power an electrolysis cell that captures and converts carbon dioxide from the air, a new technique could impressively clean the atmosphere and produce fuel feedstock at the same time. The key advantage of the new solar carbon capture process is that it simultaneously uses the solar visible and solar thermal components, whereas the latter is usually regarded as detrimental due to the degradation that heat causes to photovoltaic materials. However, the new method uses the sun’s heat to convert more solar energy into carbon than either photovoltaic or solar thermal processes alone.

Kit H (173)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 4:56 pm
Get of the sewage grid. Please go to youtube and search for composting toilet or compost toilet. This type can be the toilets of the future. We do not waste water to flush. We stop contaminate the river, lake, ocean with the post-treatment water that can still be very detrimental. We convert the waste into nutrient and return it to enrich the soil. The well designed ones can be smelless and hygienic. We save the money on sewage treatment plants and the maintenance of its infrastructure.

The compost can be collected just as now with the recycling programs of paper, plastics, glass, garden waste.

Kathy B (106)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 5:01 pm
I have lived most of my life near Seattle, and have seen things change. I remember when we first had smog - I cried. There is no denying that we are trashing the planet. Since our governments can't quite seem to get it together, I suggest we all do whatever tiny bit we can by ourselves. Many things are easy. Planting gardens, eating organic (as much as you can afford). Shun as many products as you can that use petrochemicals, this would include personal care products, detergents, plastic bags & bottles. Recycle and use recycled products. I'm probably preaching to the choir here on a lot of this, but allow me to be Pollyanna and believe that individually we can make a difference.

Kit H (173)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 5:07 pm
Yes, Kathy. Simply by refusing the plastic bags when go shopping can make a small change, and a lot if everyone bring their green reusage bags every time. So much plastic trash in the ocean and killing ocean creatures. On top of this, the energy input to produce endless of plastic bags.

Kit H (173)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 5:08 pm
I have some more idea, but I wait for your turn for the time being.

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 6:12 pm
Add ZPG (Zero Population Growth) to the list of organizations and causes you support.

Sign all the petitions you can demanding investment in sustainable and renewable energy sources, protection of wildlife, biodiversity, fisheries, oceans, forests, waterways.

Exercise your voting rights wisely.

Be outspoken not just against politicians consistently supporting corporate greed and destruction, BUT ALSO in your criticism of politicians you otherwise support and may even plan to vote for when they compromise. Tell them before they cast their votes (etc) you will not vote for them if they do compromise, even if you are bluffing. They must feel the pressure from you, because the forces pulling them to compromise or surrender outright are enormous.

Grow your own when you can, buy local when you can't.

Express your rejection of excessive consumerism and the profligate waste of resources it entails. Conversely, express your admiration of those who may be poor or may be humble or both, but who show the way.

Do what you must to refresh yourself when anger and frustration starts turning into despair, hate, or "giving up". This war we are in to turn the tide and mitigate against catastrophe will be with us our entire lives.


Connor Hocking (29)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 6:31 pm
Our planet is dying. Whether or not we choose to simply accept this or refuse to do will determine its validity. The time to complain without action is long gone. We are in the final moments before the turning point; the time where we will decide to let the Earth and all her beauty fade or if we pick the more logical alternative: living in harmony with all other living things, including one another. Climate change is a huge factor in the acceleration of this Judgment, and we must do ALL in our power to stop this looming disaster that threatens every species known on this planet.
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Kathy B (106)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 6:34 pm
Yes! what Gregory said too. When I get angry or wonder why I'm fighting I may step away for a few hours, or pace the house - then go find a petition to sign, or try find some good news. To figure out things you can do, join Earthlab - have a contest with yourself, your neighbor, your friends to see how low you can get your carbon footprint

. (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 6:39 pm
Shop at Goodwill, Salvation Army, and yard sales - I've been doing it all my life and not only do you save tons of money you also are recycling used goods.

And try Freecycle - it's a site where you can post things you want to give away for free and others post things they want to give away (it's area-specific) - I got a free printer once that worked perfectly! And have given away a lot of things that I had no use for.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 6:51 pm
Thank you Kit and all who posted contributing information and opinions, definitely interesting and thought provoking.

IE Ries (237)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 7:03 pm

Lindsay, I disagree with several of your points, starting with humans being most closely related to chimpanzees. We aren't. We're most closely related to bonobos. Subtle difference, but a difference nonetheless. Humans aren't omnivores even in the same sense as the bonobo, more of an insectavore than anything else. We require flesh to be cooked, or else we suffer from parasites vectors unlike our cousins, the bonobos. Our two sets of long intestines are indicative of plant consumption, as are our teeth (note we have no real K-9 teeth that even gorillas have, and they are 100% vegetarian). Many of us lack the ability to produce the enzyme to digest dairy products, the lactose intolerant, and while some might have it, it can be lost if one stops consuming dairy products. This also holds true with flesh consumption as it isn't fully digested and tends to block the human colon of people with heavy flesh diets. Being vegan AND controlling human overpopulation together will use less water, arable land, and IMMEDIATELY end the humane issues inherent with flesh consumption. I noted that you also do not consume meat for ethical reasons, and I share that commitment with you. I find it odd, however, that while you recognize the inherent inhumane conditions of flesh farming, you came to the conclusion that a global vegan diet wouldn't in large part solve the dilemma. It will, and even august bodies as the UN are urging people to realize this.

Secondly, becoming vegan will, in fact, save planetary resources on an enormous scale, beginning with water and ending with forests and the clearcutting of them for farmland to farm flesh.

Flesh is NOT necessary at all for human health, and studies which have proffered this - via the USDA - were paid for by the meat/dairy/egg industries earlier in the 20th century and aren't exactly impartial nor unbiased. Scientist understand that much, and know to look for the money trail of the funding of "science" even before studying the methodologies, replicability, and the applicability of the conclusion.

Lastly, even the United Nations now urges humans globally to adopt a non-animal based diet in order to prevent water shortages, habitat destruction, and combat human-imposed climate change. See more here:


SuS NoMail Plez P (244)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 7:20 pm
Thank you dearly Kit for inviting my suggestions. I feel quite intimidated due to the brilliance and eloquence after re-reading each and every post. But you asked and I will share briefly!
I feel it is our responsibility to "sacrafice". Man's disrespect of our Mother Earth has tragically brought us to this discussion. I don't care for the word "sacrafice" as I believe it is our responsibility. This is the first year in 30 that I have not been able to plant my 100% organic garden. Originally when I moved here, I spent months digging out the soil. Shovel by shovel. I had no idea what pestacides or toxins could be poisoning my cherished food. I laid roll after roll of chicken wire so gophers wouldn't destroy my 2,000 sq.feet of food~honoring our precious Mother~ to feed the homeless and elderly. Early Early Spring this year we had two weeks of HOT (89-92) weather and I spent 10 days preparing the soil. As I was designing my garden and it was a bit too early to seed...a nightmare occured. There were gopher holes everwhere. My Huge Rose Bushes were planted in half wine barrels AND THE GOPHERS JUMPED UP AND INTO THE CONTAINERS. This is definately NOT NORMAL. I CAME TO THE REALIZATION that I would not be feeding my community. I was not strong enough to start all over, but it wouldn't matter...due to man infringing on the natural habitat, the horrible "fire bugs" who set fire to hundreds of thousands of acres in California during the Santa Anna Winds, and the imbalance from mans selfishness. There was nothing I could do {that I am aware of} to rectify this dilema. Now Kit I know you said positive...and here it comes. There is a HUGE awareness and more people WANT to help. They just don't know. My Heart always speaks to people with WHAT I KNOW {as I heard someone speak of earlier}. A Universal Consciousness is occuring. For instance if I need to go to the supermarket for "junkfood cat food for my beloved feral" I always POLITELY and COMPASSIONATELY {as to not offend} ask if I might give them reusable bags. I buy them by the hundreds! I cannot bare to see 50 plastic bags for one shopper! Sometimes I am looked like a KOOK, and they just turn away. But mainly people are so grateful. I refuse plastic and have for years. I haven't eaten meat or anything other than vegan for 44 years {unless someone has prepared a special meal for me which might have a bit of cheese...} and people who I adore hear me discuss "what you have so eleoquently stated" previously. When we dine, they choose to eat primarily vegetarian! I am an elderly "stalker". I get so much joy with elderly who are "thrown away" by their children. My Beloved BEST FRIEND Fernie passed two months ago, but I took her to supper every week. We were together almost every day for 6 years! I always carry tupperware's in every size {You can pick up hundreds at SalvationArmy for a couple of dollars}, and when they take their leftovers home they use no plastic. or worse. Over the years subliminally they become more conscious. Even my father who has 23% of his lung capacity and can't have pets, set up all types of "what ever those things are called that you get at Sharper Immage"~ and happily has one of the dogs a neighbor abandoned 8 years ago {along with 3 other dogs and 4 cats}. Our neighbors have adopted them all! wink!!! When he visits me my cats just love him and so it goes. I make homemade tofu and vegi sandwitches for him and he devores them. If you only knew HOW HUGE THAT IS. I may be a bit dishonest her and tell him it is egg salad...just sayin! Here in Ojai it is known as "The Spider Capitol of the World". And Black Widows...yikes. I was bit by a male and had such a horrible reaction that the left side of my face~ entirely~ had a scab 1/4 in thick for over 6 months. MILLIONS in and outside. Black Widows have their place in the PERFECTION of nature. A pinch of PennyRoyal IN EVERY CORNER of your home and you will have no spiders! EVERYONE has an ant problem...easy, just feed them! Sugar water or catfood and the ants are happy. And so is the planet!!! Was it my duty to share this with friends and neighbors who were not only poisoning themselves along with our precious Mother~ YES. And the elderly who this would be too difficult...well it was MY PLEASURE to do it for them! Oh my goodness this brief thought is now an hour and a half later. In conclusion, share your knowledge. Sacrafice until it hurts~ what the elders taught me about being of service! Be kind and consistant. Thank you so very much. Good night and thank you again dearest Kit.

. (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 7:22 pm
Rooibos, from all I've read in the past it is chimps that we are most closely related to (and, of course, we're also very closely related to other apes), although it's perfectly possible there are other opinions or newer research. But even if it's bonobos, they are also meat-eaters and hunters of other animals (including antelope, squirrels, and even other apes if they're small enough.)

But, in any case, the relationship is exceptionally close. And there is no doubt that our early human ancestors also consumed flesh. Omnivores do that. Carnivores do that. But herbivores don't (a cow will starve if all she's offered is flesh - a human won't because he'll eat it). And veganism isn't always easy when it comes to maintaining health - it can pretty well be done with our modern food availability but I seriously doubt that humans evolved to be herbivore since a natural diet based on local availability would have been unlikely to provide the nutrients they needed.

I would love for everyone to be vegan; however, I believe it to be a choice based on the fact that we don't need to consume animal products for health in today's world, not because I believe it is 'natural' for us. Many unnatural things are better ethically, both for us and for the world at large. Something doesn't have to be natural in order for it to be what we need to do in order to be ethical beings.

. (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 7:33 pm
Moreover, the fact that some humans are lactose intolerant doesn't mean that humans didn't evolve to eat animal products. After all, some people are also allergic to peanuts, soybeans, tomatoes, and other vegetable products. But we definitely evolved to eat vegetables.

Lilith P (2)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 7:38 pm
Chilling story. How credible do other scientists find this conclusion?

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 7:57 pm
Nothing shipped outside the country is to return for sale here in the U.S. That is my suggestion.

Grocery stores (in the U.S.) should have to buy all their fruits & vegetables from suppliers in the U.S. if at all possible, both fresh and frozen. The carbon footprint of frozen vegetables from Asia is unforgivable. To be even more specific, produce should come from within 100 miles if available. For that matter, Alaskan salmon is caught in Alaska and shipped to Asia to be processed, then shipped back to the U.S. I suppose the same rule should apply to all groceries. Most leather products are shipped to Mexico to be treated with chemicals outlawed here. Without this treatment the use of leather for garments would come to a screeching halt. Shipping outside the country and then back to sell here is always a scam to cheat American workers or avoid American laws. 'Avoidance' and 'Evasion' are the same thing regarding environmental regulations, connected planet rule.

Brian M. (0)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 8:17 pm
We boldy enbrace the destruction of the planet. We have embrased "Viking Capitalism," which knows no bounds. Rape, pillage and murder are served dejure. Adam Smith once wrote that it was the primary responsibility of Government to curb the excesses of people who would otherwise disregard the health and welfare of its people in favor of personal gain. Our government and now China and India has abdicated their primary responsiblity. The damage is magnified severafold now because there are now billions of people each taking a little piece of the planet every day and what we are giving back to the earth is not what it needs to remain healthy. 25 billion metric tons of carbon every year is not healthy for the planet. I do not care what blathering idiot Fox News puts on to tell me that it is a good idea. I am not sure if you have heard but the penguins washing up dead on the beaches in Columbia is a sign of the times to come around the world. Scientist believe that they are starving as the food chain continues to collapse. It started with the plankton and has affected the krill. The acidity of the oceans has reached critical mass. The water is so acidic organisms can not form properly breaking the very first link in the ocean food chain. The plankton that the krill feed are gone. 25 billion metric tons of carbon per year. That is astounding. I agree with the scientist. It is over and we are powerless to do anything about it. I am just thankful that I did not have any children. I dreded looking into the sunken eyes and the distended belly and being forced to tell them that they are dying becasue of some greedy men who care about nothing but themselves. They were wreckless and we were too cowardly to stand up and tell them that they were wrong. I hope that I can convince my neighbor to be compasionate and put a bullet in my head. I do not want to suffer like one does when they are starving to death.

Salome Waters (31)
Wednesday July 28, 2010, 10:04 pm
I've known this for so long. Every time a young friend has a child my heart breaks, because I know that child will have a short life filled with suffering. I have, in my Buddhist District, three couples with babies and one of them is trying for a second child.
There is no easy way to ask how they can, with the easily accessible information about climate change, phytoplankton decrease and overpopulation, possibly contemplate adding to the population instead of adopting children who have need of families. I tried. I tried. Then I was told firmly to stop - so I try no longer. The news on the television and in the newspapers must be my words.

Cecilia G. (1)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 1:44 am
Thank you Kit and all who posted contributing information and opinions, definitely interesting and thought provoking.

Angelika R (143)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 3:22 am
Folks, please stop this gloomy mood of capitulation. Heads up and jump to action I know the people of the US and other nations can do what my former East German sisters and brothers were able to do-STAND UP against all wrong and evil, free yourselves from being manipulated like puppets on a string. Life is a continuous struggle and only the strong survive, but togetherness gives you strenght.
Kit is on a good way to maybe reach 250 plus notes, great, thank you !!

KS Goh (0)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 5:03 am
Thanks for the article.

Sharon Balloch (127)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 5:32 am
Well here is my contribution to this interesting and yet frightening page..
As a child of about seven years old I began to cut out people from magazines and newpaper. People, places and things. I would take these cut out things and put them in bottles which I would bury where ever I happened to be. My parents thought it was cute my making time capsules... but that is not what I was doing. I was showing the future what we once looked like, what the world once looked like and things we had owned.. catalogues were great for this.. as I grew old I forgot this passion of mine and did not think of it again until years later. This was in the fifties.. I was not allowed to read newpapers, watch tv or anything else what showed violence as I had screaming nightmares as a young child.. I no longer wonder what they were about.. I do not feel differently now...

Kenneth L (314)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 6:00 am
It's amazing to me reading all these comments. One could actually divide it into two categories; people who give up, have given up or actually even revel in the presumed demise of humans; and the other category of those who have not given up and so DO things to help the planet and their fellow human beings.
Gee, I wonder what side I'd be on...
I know one thing, apathy kills and most people in apathy are essentially dead already.
Wouldn't want to be on their team.

If anyone thinks a planet without humans would be a theetie-wheetie sweetness and light place for nature and animals you're deluded and absolutely wrong.

One word covers it all RESPONSIBILITY. Not meaning 'who's to blame'' but taking responsibility for conditions around you and working to improve them. Those who DO NOT HELP are PERSONALLY abdicating any responsibility for the condition of their fellow human beings or the planet in general. You're also actually shunting it onto the backs of those who DO continue to work to help. You're failing yourself and others. You can't get away from it.


JustaHuman Here (53)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 6:25 am
Maybe instead of complaining that people do nothing it would be better to write what each one of you complainers is doing to change the situation to sthg better.

Bill K (4)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 6:31 am
I don't know the point of arguing whether or not our ancestors ate meat or what our closest relatives in the animal kingdom eat. We are omnivores which means we have a choice (assuming we use our human brains).

The fact is a vegan diet uses considerably less land and resources and feeds many times the number of people as meat-based diets. Despite some defending their bloodthirsty diets by saying vegan diets aren't healthy we are living proof that vegan diets are healthy. Even medical science is beginning to catch on to all the benefits.

Water and food shortages wouldn't happen if more people gave up meat. The US already grows enough food to feed all 1 billion hungry people in the world. Unfortunately most of this is fed to livestock which provide us with considerably less food than they consume. Hardly a sustainable practice if people are concerned about our future.

A vegan could let his or her shower run 24/7 and not waste as much water as a meat eater. Animal agriculture is a leading cause of air and water pollution, ocean dead zones, deforestation and habitat loss, extinctions, global warming, and so much more.

It doesn't matter what our ancestors ate or what chimps eat. We can decide now, each of us on our own, to drastically reduce the world's meat consumption and improve both our health and the environment. We don't need to wait for governments or corporations to solve these problems for us.

And all this doomsday talk is ridiculous. People have been predicting the end of time since time began yet generations come and go, for better or worse. But this world will keep becoming a much nastier place to live if more people don't get off their asses and change it!

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." - Albert Einstein

Kenneth L (314)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 6:56 am
Right on Bill K!: "And all this doomsday talk is ridiculous. People have been predicting the end of time since time began yet generations come and go, for better or worse. But this world will keep becoming a much nastier place to live if more people don't get off their asses and change it!"

Lloyd Sevigny (20)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 7:18 am
oooooo! you are just so are you off your ass and doing anything to change it or as usual just shooting off your red-neck mouth?

Jeanne M (84)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 7:19 am
Huh. I can almost hear the rest of Nature quoting Stephen King: "No great loss, children - can you say 'Amen'?"

Juan Pablo de la Torre (5)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 7:25 am
Nothing to worry, yet.

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 7:40 am
Agree with Kenneth and I'm relieved to see the recent comments above from other friends (and a few people unfamiliar to me) chiming in with some of the many things we CAN DO. Lilith asks whether many other scientists agree with the 95-year-old scientist's remark that mankind's extinction is inevitable in 100 years. The answer is no. However, see Catastrophe Inevitable But We Can Reduce Impact which documents a convergence of resource exhaustions in as few as 25 to 50 years from now that could easily cause the premature deaths of billions within this century, and THAT, I regret to say, is a scenario a rising number of scientists think highly likely if we do not make dramatic changes fast.
I don't think it useful to argue about exactly when and how many are threatened. Those graphs are factual and you don't need a scientist to tell you the implications. Neither do we need to argue whether our concerted actions can save only a hundred million or a billion lives, or a thousand species or ten thousand. The point is that we can and must save all we can and we can and must save many. Once you "get it" as to the severity and urgency of the threat, you lose all right to claim yourself a caring human being if you do nothing to help address it.

And there's the good news. There's plenty we can do, now and for the rest of our lives. I applaud with gratitude and admiration all above who are sharing some of the many things we CAN do, both as to our own actions and persuading others of the need to change.
One last thing: sometimes you are having an impact and do not realize it. I was raised in a "meat and potatoes" family and acquired that taste. But since becoming active on Care2 a year ago I have been influenced by vegetarians and vegans and now consume a minor fraction of the amount of meat that was my lifelong habit. No doubt that translates to fewer predated animals and a protein-resource gain sufficient to sustain another human life or two. And that link to SEN I shared above? SEN itself was inspired by Care2 friends, who in fact put me on a life-changing path. So let's support each other and get on with it, knowing we must persist in action for the rest of our lives, and find rejuvenating joy along the way.

Tierney G (381)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 9:31 am
Good as bad as that sounds humans are a disgraceful species. I just want to be left alive long enough to say to the doubters and greedy ones "I told you so"!!!!

. (0)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 10:14 am
I have a hard time comprehending wanting bad things to happen to humanity, Tierney. I would much rather have us be able to fix what's wrong rather than to await the day when catastrophe occurs and gloat, "I told you so."

Because I don't WANT the doomsayers to be right. I WANT humanity to survive. And I think most people feel the same.

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 11:57 am
Cub food stores just had Bottom Round on sale for $2.49 a pound. I bought 20 pounds and froze some of it.
They have a sale every three weeks. MMmm, it is sooo good. So, at 3/4 pound of beef a day how long does it take me to eat a whole cow? and I have smoked for 40 years too. I am in very good health at 59 years old, unlike many of you.

Kenneth L (314)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 12:09 pm
Lloyd, LOL! Your usual gibbering self.
Be Kay is obviously your 'macho man'. He loves saying the exact opposite on a thread, no matter what the topic. Strange pattern;

Tierney G (381)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 1:08 pm
Well lindsey i guess you and I disagree once again. There are to many violent greedy evil people on this planet at present. yes there are good people but the greedy evil ones are now ruling the world. I want to see them go down and yes rub their faces in it.
Call it what you will humans do not deserve this incredible planet we were given as a gift to have taken care of with respect.We have blown it!

Tierney G (381)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 1:16 pm
to answer Ralph X Today I now recieve green energy from an elctric co called Viridian!!!!! I am going green as green can be with everything i do. i own a green car a green washing, machine a green TV, a passive solar house,I have been conservative using water for years, I recycle everything have been for 20 or more years and I am a vegan. hope that answers your question. Sadly it is all in vain because enough are not doing it.

C. G (1)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 1:18 pm

Kit H (173)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 1:40 pm
As early as we can recognize, address, take on the issues, and accord with action. We have a better chance against the odds. Pessimism is not good for mental health. I would rather do what I can, the moment before I died I would have less regret. As death is inevitable to all living beings, it is how you live makes a difference to yourself, to other earthlings, be kind, do something constructive rather than destructive.

My dear friend Bill is quite right, "...we have a choice (assuming we use our human brains)." Why we give up our right to choose? We can choose to become vegans, vegetarians, occasional meat eaters, etc. We can choose to be living dead or living alive.
Angelika's comment is remarkable:
"Folks, please stop this gloomy mood of capitulation. Heads up and jump to action I know the people of the US and other nations can do what my former East German sisters and brothers were able to do-STAND UP against all wrong and evil, free yourselves from being manipulated like puppets on a string. Life is a continuous struggle and only the strong survive, but togetherness gives you strenght."
So is Lindsey:
"I have a hard time comprehending wanting bad things to happen to humanity, Tierney. I would much rather have us be able to fix what's wrong rather than to await the day when catastrophe occurs and gloat, "I told you so." "
"One word covers it all RESPONSIBILITY. Not meaning 'who's to blame'' but taking responsibility for conditions around you and working to improve them. Those who DO NOT HELP are PERSONALLY abdicating any responsibility for the condition of their fellow human beings or the planet in general. You're also actually shunting it onto the backs of those who DO continue to work to help. You're failing yourself and others. You can't get away from it."
Greg's Can Do:
"And there's the good news. There's plenty we can do, now and for the rest of our lives. I applaud with gratitude and admiration all above who are sharing some of the many things we CAN do, both as to our own actions and persuading others of the need to change.
One last thing: sometimes you are having an impact and do not realize it. I was raised in a "meat and potatoes" family and acquired that taste. But since becoming active on Care2 a year ago I have been influenced by vegetarians and vegans and now consume a minor fraction of the amount of meat that was my lifelong habit. No doubt that translates to fewer predated animals and a protein-resource gain sufficient to sustain another human life or two. And that link to SEN I shared above? SEN itself was inspired by Care2 friends, who in fact put me on a life-changing path. So let's support each other and get on with it, knowing we must persist in action for the rest of our lives, and find rejuvenating joy along the way."
And of course some others' positive input I have not even mentioned.

Catherine Turley (192)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 1:45 pm
you can help people survive AND educate them at the same time. education, opportunity and success= fewer kids.

i buy environmental/animal books and donate them to schools and charities. i spend time with my neighbors' kids, and they are automatically exposed to my love of nature because i wear it on my sleeve. in fact, one boy stopped killing bugs and made his mom stop too. he now insists on trapping them and setting them free.

Catherine Turley (192)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 1:54 pm
look at it this way. maybe there's only a tiny bit of hope. if those of us who care say 'screw it', then there's no hope. keep fighting.

Kit H (173)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 1:55 pm
So much is cited recently the chinese attribution to danger in their language. It contains two chinese words/characters. They are danger/ous opportunity. So we see the danger now, could we grasp this opportunity to change it for a better outcome? Our choice, of course!

Tierney G (381)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 2:01 pm
Believe me Kit I would to. i just am not seeing it in the human race so far. Everyone is so busy trying to keep or put a roof over their heads they have no time to do anything except survive.
I was a optimistic thinker for a long time and I will continue the fight for the planet and the animals but many humans I am sorry to say I have just plain lost faith in them. I hope they wake up but it is hard to see right now. to much evil and bad ones running things here on planet earth.

Kit H (173)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 2:05 pm
What we need is a critical mass to shift the conscience of the whole.

Kit H (173)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 2:07 pm
The domino effect!

Kit H (173)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 2:42 pm
I have just found what my Facebook new friend Marie posted on my wall and share with you:
Faith is more than a light. It is a guide in the path of eternity. Even more, it is Wisdom that opens the heart. Love that moves the hardest heart. Peace that renews and makes life possible. And especially, it is the Love present in every moment, that shelters,, protects, nourishes and offers solidarity. It never discriminates but always accompanies, cries and laughs for us and in us. Faith is not only a word, it is hope and life. It is a fulfilled promise and infinite tenderness. Faith is yesterday, today and always.

Kit H (173)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 3:24 pm
My friend Anne ProudFire‎'s favorite:

"Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty
as is cooperation with good."
Mohandas Gandhi

Lloyd Sevigny (20)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 3:34 pm
Thank you Kit for this latest post. I have Taoist?Buddhist for many years now. I have all of the faith in the essence of energy that is our supreme consciousness. I am here now. Jiddu Krishnamurti once asked one of his would they like his secret. The audience grew hushed and Krishnamurti simply said "I don't mind what happens". That was it and I needed to remember that. No judgement, no comparison, just total surrender, acceptance and then proper action from the soul which exists only in the now. We only ever have the now. The past is dead and it is useless as a reference point. The future is unpredictable and no amount of thinking will ever be right to prepare the future. So it is in the now, consciously, that I can act. Besides that another word for the now is love. Nobody can dissuade me from this and so I wish us all well and to Be Here Now!

Kit H (173)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 3:46 pm
Yes, dear Lloyd. Love! Now! Consciousness!

I listen to Compassionate Action!

Kit H (173)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 4:35 pm

You can begin with refusing buying factory farm meat in the super-market. You can inform your friends, neighbors about the condition of animals in the factory farm industry. You can inform how it is not good to their health consuming factory farm products. You can tell them how destructive factory farming is to our mother earth. You can start learning all the facts with factory farm and take action.

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 4:40 pm
Please remember to click to donate! Just go to my care2 (at the top right), my click to donate, and help people and animals all over the world for free! It only takes a few seconds.

Kit H (173)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 4:58 pm
Yes, Demian, this is one of the things I do almost every day.

Kit H (173)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 5:20 pm

monica r (41)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 5:26 pm
The significance of 2012 is that it is an entertaining feature film. I am fond of the Mayans, being an anthro major, but were their civilization still extant, I believe they would simply reset their calendar for another cycle.

A relative in law says that "the earth will survive" global warming, though he scoffs that there is such a thing. I always say "yeah, but humans probably won't". So there ya go.

I can't agree with anyone who says "oh well" and gives up. Not everyone in this world goes around using more than they need just cause they have the money to buy it. If we give up, how are we any better? In fact what is starting to happen is that public opinion is starting to turn the tide as far as "going green". If we all educate as many people as we can, get them to understand why it matters, so it's not "cool" to drive a Hummer, or eat meat, or whatever else behaviors create the problems. Look at smoking. So many fewer start smoking now in America cause it's not as cool. You have to be out in the weather to light up, can't smoke anywhere, not even bars in many states, and people are ostracized. That's made more difference than the warning labels. The rest of us got sick of breathing their smog.

DON"T give up. Kit is right, do one thing. I teach in urban schools so believe me, you see the drugs, gangs, materialism, violence up close like that and it is hard not to think you can't beat these odds. So I admit I can't save them all from poverty and lack of education, but I can help, and if even one gets out of this modern slavery we call life in the 'hood, that is all worth it. I make sure they learn how the decisions of people in power can affect them personally, and try to teach them materialism only keeps them poor.

For the comment about the woman in Africa with 10 kids. First off some loan "charities" charge appallingly high interest rates. That said, please consider the culture. Often women are marginalized and their only worth is bearing children. I don't advocate forced birth control, but I agree 10 kids you can't feed, well, not good. But she needs that loan to support those kids. And you know what, talk to anyone fighting AIDS in Africa and see what African men think of condom use. If a wife suggests it she could be beaten or worse. He goes to the city, sleeps around, gets AIDS, and brings it to wife and kids. Don't condemn this woman. See it as a sign that she is without rights or resources, and fight for her to have them.

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 5:44 pm
Be Kay, I have hit the flag button only twice on Care 2 because I think flagging is subject to abuse (ganging up on someone you chronically disagree with so as to get them suspended) and we all want a wide berth to express ourselves.
But your vile comment at 11:57AM above is either intended to inflict hurt on vegans and vegetarians or is insensitive beyond the pale. It is wholly unnecessary to inflict uncaring hurt on others in order to state your view or disagreement or even disdain for someone else's opinions or beliefs.
If I see such an abusive comment again on this thread I will flag you for abusive behavior antithetical to the very idea of Care2, and I'm batting 2 for 2 for permanent suspension when I flag.

Rudy S (1)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 9:25 pm
Rather than "extinct" I see Homo sapiens as living in some cross of Mad-Max meets WaterWorld. Those inheriting from rich families won't have enough people left to do much with their $$. Without sufficient heirloom seeds, those left may not even be able to have working gardens. The NRA will be proven right, 'cause those... who know how to farm will need to defend their gardens. Read this, find and watch "The Age of Stupid" - OR Hope it's not too late, start your gardens, reduce consumption, and fight the corporatists whose lobbyists are blocking needed actions.

Lisa S (1)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 9:41 pm
I HIGHLY doubt this. Scientists predict stuff like this ALL the time and nothing ever happens.

Julie P (17)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 9:42 pm
I assume if you're on Care2 you are a compassionate soul but maybe frustrated from focusing on the many negatives that are out there. We cannot let them divide us and bring us down. I choose to see 2012 as a time with energetic properties that will help us to shift global consciousness and usher in a new age of enlightenment! Thus...the end of the world as we know it! And yes there will be some growing pains! But we must not lose hope it is the one thing they cannot destroy without our permission! If we all put bad vibes out there that is what will come back to us. Focus on the positive and you become a positive force, Live simply and consciously in the NOW, and Spread LOVE and PEACE through compassion (not judgment). Heal yourself and help heal the world! Our mother has been very patient with us and we can change for her and learn from our mistakes. Our Evolution does not have to be over...maybe this is just the beginning. And now I will leave you with some inspiration:

Albert Pine said it beautifully: "What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal."

The true measure of a man is not how he behaves in moments of comfort and convenience but how he stands at times of controversy and challenges.-Martin Luther King Jr.

"Get busy living, or get busy dying." (Stephen King, The Shawshank Redemption)

When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.-Unknown.

"The world is so fast that there are days when the person who says it can't be done is interrupted by the person who is doing it." ....Inspirational Quotes by Anon.

"Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all."....Inspirational Quotes by Dale Carnegie.


Liliana D (125)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 10:12 pm
Even if I am deeply disgusted and angry with the human behaviour against animals and our mother Earth, I will fight and hope for the survival of the humanity, because this includes good people and innocents. I do believe that the mankind has a great capability of finding solutions if the specie existence will be in danger. After all we have the same powerful survival instinct as any specie in this world. I do think also that the time will come, sooner or later, when mankind will have to face the consequences of the destructions he provoked on this world and this challenge will bring the humanity on another level of consciousness.

Kit H (173)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 10:27 pm
It is not only for saving humanity. The Sixth Extinction is the wiping out most of the species on earth. We need action to stop the destruction of our environment and the eco-system, all the living beings in it. We need to come together and live a life we really want, not being dictated by big corporation and the governments bought by the affluent lobbyists and big money.

greenplanet e (155)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 11:37 pm
"Retired professor Stephen Boyden, a colleague of Professor Fenner, said that while there was deep pessimism among some ecologists, others had a more optimistic view.

‘Frank may well be right, but some of us still harbour the hope that there will come about an awareness of the situation and, as a result the revolutionary changes necessary to achieve ecological sustainability.’"

Govts/industry/corporations need to change their ways. (Certain) humans need to stop being so greedy.

Nadia -currently inactive- (8)
Thursday July 29, 2010, 11:53 pm
This is a very powerful image because 100 years is not long at all, there are people living longer than that these days, which on some level adds to the situation. Thank you for posting this. I think it is necessary for everyone to see so that those who are not yet sensitive to this issue can realize how bad it has actually gotten, not from some "hippie" or "tree-hugger" [no disrespect, I've been called that =p] but from an actual recognized scientist. Even though scientists have been saying this for a good number of years. I posted this on my facebook, because that is how I can contact the most people and peers, and I thank you Kit for making me aware of this article

ron ace (2)
Friday July 30, 2010, 12:14 am
This could really be scary to hear but true. If we continue not caring about our environment then they'll definitely be no life 100 years from now. Thanks.

IE Ries (237)
Friday July 30, 2010, 8:00 am

Lindey, unfortunately your examples aren't accurate.

Notably, you stated: "Moreover, the fact that some humans are lactose intolerant doesn't mean that humans didn't evolve to eat animal products. After all, some people are also allergic to peanuts, soybeans, tomatoes, and other vegetable products. But we definitely evolved to eat vegetables."

This is not supported by existing research finding that increased development and occurrences of allergic reactions (and other conditions) is 1) concentrated in nations whose citizens relying on large-scale agriculture and 2) is linked with increased usage of herbicides, pesticides, antibiotics, genetically-modified organisms and pollution in farming and runoff affecting wildlife.

Allergens are especially endemic to nations which use large-scale agricultural practices and is largely a product of human use of chemicals and is unrelated to the biological evidence that whole populations of humans, notably certain African and Asian populations, are lactose intolerant and always have been, prior to the advent of contemporary, large-scale agricultural practices.

I found your comment, "Many unnatural things are better ethically, both for us and for the world at large. Something doesn't have to be natural in order for it to be what we need to do in order to be ethical beings." interesting in a number of ways. I can think of only two examples, and that would be the disuse of animal body parts and tree wood. We could certainly use cotton and other natural fabrics in place of animal products. But to replace woods, what other natural resources would we be using? Plastic? That's petroleum products and we all know that mining fossil fuels is a problem, let alone the creation of items (and pollution) from petroleum.

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Friday July 30, 2010, 9:38 am
I just wanted to call attention to an excellent point Kit made above. If you set aside the matter of the threat to billions of our own species, the fact remains that we are here in excessive numbers and thousands of species are now being extinguished in consequence of the same things that threaten our own. Almost every action we must now take for the sake of our own species is an action that will benefit animal species, and vice versa. Our vital interests are inseparable. Life is the thing we must save.

Yes, we must get our own number down, humanely. We need to support ZPG. Millions who oppose Pro-Choice (ie elective abortions) do so as a result of deeply held moral or religious convictions. I think it imperative to inject into the debate and dialogue the immorality of fostering excessive population. I'm not highly informed re Pro-Choice orgs and spokespersons, but what I am aware of seems to hang the Pro-Choice cause on a woman's right to control her own body and secondarily the "short-term" consequences of unwanted births.

I would like to see the mid-term and long-term consequences of excess population added to the reasoning.

We must try to get Pro-Choice and Pro-Life advocates to find the common ground of the need to dramatically reduce accidental pregnancies. I personally believe that while the Pro-Life movement sees itself as saving hundreds of thousands of lives, in the long run it is inadvertently and ironically making war on the future lives of many millions.

Kit H (173)
Friday July 30, 2010, 12:40 pm
Is this the age of reasoning? We cannot dig our hole into reductionism,breaking everything into infinite tiny pieces and not seeing the whole. We need to restore balance, the holistic way of thinking and living. We have the choice and the means of controlling human reproduction and do it in an ethical way, simply by prevention. Why is it right to destroy earth's creatures by overpopulate our own? The earth cannot support it!

Diane G. (1)
Friday July 30, 2010, 1:12 pm
Thank you Kit for all this important information you are sharing. I continue to hope we can find a way to turn things around and survive, but I must admit that each day that passes, hope gets harder to come by. I agree with others who think 100 years is far too optimistic.

First and foremost, we have to take the population issue out of the closet and talk about it openly and honestly. I really don't understand why people who want a large family don't choose adoption. There are plenty of great kids languishing in foster care who would love to be part of a family. Is it only possible for some people to love a child if it shares their DNA? And what kind of a world do they want to see them grow up in? I see no way we can hope to support 9 billion people on a dying planet. The water problem alone is enough to do us in. Climate change will lead to worldwide droughts and create climate refugees from newly uninhabitable areas, shrinking available land for growing food and housing people. And if Monsanto gets it way, they will destroy the world's food supply. Thanks to the likes of BP, our oceans are in bad shape. Water sources are increasingly becoming polluted due to toxins. We can't survive long without water. I agree with others who see veganism as being necessary also. I say that with much guilt, as I'm not quite there myself. I only became vegetarian a few months ago, but I'm working on it because I want to do my part. I recognize I have no right to criticize others until I clean up my own act because it all starts with individual action.

I will continue to hold on to hope, even if the odds are not in our favor. If we give up then it really is over!


Jean Muir (6)
Friday July 30, 2010, 3:13 pm
The passion to remain, leave a foot print, is the course our human race has striven towards for centuries, all we were told in the name of "progress" well progress has sealed our fate, and although we wish it to be different, it cannot be. We have done the damage, reversing it does not seem acheivable, just like attaining world peace, eliminating world hunger, working together for the good of all have been unattainable, even with the worlds greatest minds working together to warn us, prod & beg us etc. we the human race continue to destroy ourselves, and likely everything else, except possibly the Earth's shell

Anna Borsey (66)
Friday July 30, 2010, 4:06 pm
Yes. Finally, the planet will be left in peace, and maybe it can regenerate - eventually.

"In 2006 another esteemed academic, Professor James Lovelock, warned that the world’s population may sink as low as 500 million over the next century due to global warming."
How utterly wonderful that would be! Only 5.000.000 humans in the whole world! Bliss!

"some of the ingredients of plastic act like hormones and are absorbed directly through the skin! As a result male humans are becoming sterile in larger numbers! "
Well, that is excellent news! The more human males who become sterile, the fewer new humans will be conceived!


Clare C (6)
Friday July 30, 2010, 4:10 pm
God I hope so - I see so little in this world these days worth being happy about. Good People are a dying breed - the STUPID GENE has taken over. Only stupid people seem to be procrating these days - watch the movie IDIOCRACY with Luke Wilson - it's here and now (not in the future)

Marcla G (108)
Friday July 30, 2010, 4:13 pm
Oh my gosh...had to comment after seeing the "Soylent Green" reference, after the "Mad Max" reference.
Soylent Green is my biggest fear in life, so I went organic when I found out about the gmo's with human dna. BUT other must see movies are "The Road" and "The Book of Eli", they both show what Soylent Green AND the Mad Max series depicted about our future. William I is on target people. Get back to the land, know how to grow food. SAVE SEED (from uncooked ORGANIC food), know your wild edible plants (weeds most of them) know your medicinal plants (again weeds that the Jones' and Monsanto kill with weed & feed for their green grass yards) Save rain water if you are allowed in your state. I recently found out some states are not allowed to save rain water!!!!!! Get to know your neighbors, learn an old skill, like sewing, fixing shoes, all the stuff we take advantage of buying new instead of fixing the old. We've got to get back to the old ways to survive. I doubt all that processed food will be available unless given to you by the gov'ment, and you probably wouldn't want to consume it because of the drugs or chemicals in it...let alone it could be human you are eating.
I know i sound like a crazy person. But I've been preparing for years now. Ever since Organic Consumers dot Org posted an article about "peak oil"...the nay sayers laughed at Peak Oil, but what do you think?

Louis Turi (1)
Friday July 30, 2010, 4:29 pm
Professor Frank Fenner, emeritus professor of microbiology at the Australian National University, has predicted that the human race will be extinct within the next 100 years.

DT Rebuttal: As always before anyone remotely “trust” Professor Frank Fenner’s prediction one must use common sense and rely solely on sources that have a solid well documented, dated set of predictions. Thus check his website and his past predictions, chances are, unlike mine, you will NOT see or read anything because his “predictions” are solely based upon his five *virus type “educated/accredited” perception of the future offered by his limited human senses. While the reality of self INFLICTED destruction (religious wars) the human genius (or God gift offered to each human being) can and will always find a way to avoid the worse of its fate with faith, Cosmic education and the right ACTION!
“Missing the forest for the tree” is exactly what Professor Frank Fenner is doing with his predictions because NO real scientists was born with the unborn gift of objective spiritual perception, instead a very logical, rational, mathematical oriented approach to life (and predictions) dominates the soul. His findings / predictions are based upon micro observations and the logical numbers associated with them and like the World Health Organizations crowd embracing his microbiology achievements, the same mental process and fears reflect his particular UCI dedicated to science. Frank Fenner was born in Ballarat on 21 December 1914 an inherited a dragon’s Head (luck/growth) in Aquarius (the genius and so was Einstein!) But his hidden Dragon’s Tail (fears) is located in the sign of Sagittarius (codification of thoughts/religions/ the scholar) and subconsciously let him accept the *religious accepted theory of “the end of the world.” His hidden Dragon is Gemini (the talking Head/the proliferous writer - 22 books?) But how can someone who deal with the ultimate detail found in micro organism *virology can actually deal with its endless Universal opposite? Well Einstein did the same thing with the Law of relativity and so do I with the Cosmic Code. But because Einstein, Professor Frank Fenner and so many other “erudite” men are IN the box of accepted *accredited science, rewards in the form of many Academic honours are possible. My due honors will come from the children of the future when I will be 6 feet under lol, I am much too advanced for the scientific community and they don’t reward independent thinkers just yet… - Professor Frank Fenner worked with and was influenced by René Dubos, who is one of the claimed originators of the phrase "Think Globally, Act Locally" . Mine is “The Future Is Nothing Else Than The Reincarnation Of The Thoughts” and this should tell you more about the Universal and “local” difference between his and my natal UCI *Unique Celestial Identity. Consequently once humankind (and science) finally realizes the deep values of the phrase mentioned above, then the human spirit will have gone a step forward from the “box” and got closer to the expressive Divinity of God.
Thus continuously misusing the Supraconscious creative forces in time and space is like a vicious religious subconscious wish to give credibility to the scriptures but these scriptures, while accepted as the words and expression of God is NOT true and that is my challenge Thus my mission to free humankind from fear and ignorance. The sad reality is that Professor Frank Fennerlike many other influential people talking Heads” not only are depraved of Cosmic Consciousness but also have a very large audience that is slowly being poisoned with more fears. I have only you reader to help me to fight this “misinformation” because I would hate losing the battle against evil. But I trust God to lead my work to more and more spiritual people which in turn will post my work, my mission, my message and offer hopes for the future in the process.

Life is based upon two forces only, positive/negative/ God / evil, yin and yang the battle between ignorance/fear and intelligence/education is eternal, relentless where the polarity leads towards the main unobstructed energy. And if you look at a compass it will point out North Cold/dangerous not South (warm/safe.) It’s all about perception and that’s all I am trying so hard to do for you so you can make the right decision and live a happy safe and productive life, right here right now on earth…This is more than a “vision” to me and I am working really hard to make it a reality for God did not put human on earth to suffer a suffocating end…Are you with me?*uQV-B5KRAwBwlOJL*NUnLxrKSp2PKLFB2hD6TsqHiKQzfuscVTHi41W7NgGUDYG-4iMJ0Fwl1Nf2/LightWorker.gif

“When men realize the church is the universe and the twelve Apostles are the twelve signs of the zodiac, God's commandments written in Starlight will bring true love, respect peace and harmony to this world.”

Google Dr. Turi

Sir Walk F (124)
Friday July 30, 2010, 5:13 pm
'Leading Scientist" is such a vague term.

He makes some valid points, although the article doesnt really offer much in the form of proof or substance for the specifics basis his timeline on.

So many variables and factors, clearly this is a guess meant to stimulate discussion.

D. H (40)
Friday July 30, 2010, 5:16 pm
In the midst of reading so much pessimism (not that I haven't been there myself many times!), I also viewed a video that helped me re-balance to the more hopeful attitude I usually hold for the future, despite all the current realities. If you need a more positive boost, regarding just one technology that could drastically change SEVERAL (destructive) sectors at once, and that is actually even being sought after by at least one governmental body so far (in itself, pretty amazing news!), watch this, on the prototype for Solar Roadways:

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Friday July 30, 2010, 5:26 pm
Marcla, far above you'll find a comment from Kit, look for:
Tuesday July 27, 2010, 2:58 am
Want to do something about it, visit:
I hope you'll click the link in her comment above to SEN (, and look at the several graphs on that page. I Co-founded SEN with Suzanne (who commented above also). All the documented data we compiled indicates that 25 years from now (if not sooner), hundreds of millions not doing the kinds of things you are doing today will survive only if they have learned to do so. We need to start teaching people how to grow their own, reuse things they might previously have discarded, and so on, not necessarily because their survival will depend on it next year, but because we must conserve resources now and learn how to live sustainably for the long term, and impart what we learn in that regard to the young.

But chiefly I wanted to respond to your question about PEAK OIL, because I've researched that subject more thoroughly than any of the many issues that relate to sustainability and resource depletions. We are now well past the only oil reserves "peak" that matters insofar as the common man: oil he or she can afford to buy. The cheap-to-drill oil will be scarce in 10 to 15 years, and what's left otherwide is increasingly costly to extricate (deep-water, tar sands, shale). There will still be some oil left 20 years from now, but only the wealthy will able to afford it.
Here's one of the things that enrages me about the rush to drill domestic offshore oil: if we did not import a drop, and drilled every last gallon of domestic the oil industry believes to exist, at current rates of usage it would ALL BE GONE IN 11 YEARS. Then what? Start a nuclear war with China over the oil elsewhere and hope we win?
But no matter where the oil comes from:
What good to the common man is gasoline in 2030 that costs $20 a gallon if it takes 4 gallons to get to and from a job that pays $100 a day? How will the common man paying $10 a gallon in 2020 have enough left to pay for food, shelter, etc? How will the common man paying $5 a gallon in 2015 make ends meet? Millions in the USA already can't do it in 2010 at $3 a gallon. And they need to learn the things you cite right away. The wealthy are already convincing the "haves" in the USA that they cannot afford to keep the "have nots" in food, clothing and shelter.
I personally am in transition from being a "have" to a "have not". I just finished a meal that was entirely vegetables I grew myself. You do not sound like a crazy person to me, and if you are, I hope millions go nuts real quick.

Kimberly s (1)
Friday July 30, 2010, 5:51 pm
Wow, insightful, provacative, meaningful. Thank you all for your candour. Despite the outlook, hope we can come together each day from a more we-oriented sustainable place and act. Blessings.

Kit H (173)
Friday July 30, 2010, 5:56 pm
The Age of Stupid is a 2008 film by Director Franny Armstrong (McLibel, Drowned Out) and first-time producer Lizzie Gillett. It is a co-production between Franny's company Spanner Films and Executive Producer John Battsek's (One Day In September) company Passion Pictures.

Oscar-nominated Pete Postlethwaite stars as a man living alone in the devastated future world of 2055, looking at old footage from 2008 and asking: why didn’t we stop climate change when we had the chance?

The production was notable for its innovative way crowd-funding financing model, as well as the Indie Screenings distribution system which allows anyone anywhere to screen the film. The full story of the production of the film is told in the 50-minute Making Of documentary which is free to watch online and also available on the double-pack DVD.

The film was released in 2009 and became one of the most talked-about films of the year. It also spawned the hugely-successful 10:10 campaign.

Starting as a documentary...
The original plan was to borrow the structure of Steven Soderbergh's movie Traffic, to follow. The Age of Stupid was shot by Franny Armstrong (camera) and producer Lizzie Gillett (sound) over three years in seven countries over. It follows seven documentary characters, British windfarmer Piers Guy, Indian airline boss Jeh Wadia, Nigerian medical student Layefa Malemi, French mountain guide Fernand Pareau, Iraqi refugee kids Jamila & Adnan and New Orleans Shell paleontologists Alvin Duvernay America, UK, India, Nigeria, Iraq, Jordan, The Alps
... turning into a drama

Kit H (173)
Friday July 30, 2010, 5:59 pm
The scientific basis of "The Age of Stupid"
10th March 2009

By Mark Lynas

- Author of "High Tide" and "Six Degrees: Our Future on a Hotter Planet", both published by Harper Collins and translated into more than a dozen languages
- Winner of the 2008 Royal Society Prize for Best Science Book ("Six Degrees")
- Climate change supervisor on the film's production, 2002->2008


The opening text card of Spanner Films' new film, The Age of Stupid, makes the claim that the film is based on "mainstream science predictions". This is more than just a rhetorical device to make the film seem realistic: we mean it. This is not The Day After Tomorrow 2, a cinema spectacular featuring climatic events which are so unrealistic that they contravene the laws of physics. All the science in the film is based on peer-reviewed papers, together with the latest predictions from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) - the world's biggest-ever consortium of scientists.

The bottom line is that the mainstream scientific predictions about what will happen in the next few decades are so frightening that we didn't need to exaggerate for dramatic effect. Just this week (11 March), scientists meeting at a climate change congress in Copenhagen revealed that sea level rise is still accelerating, that a temperature rise of two degrees is now very difficult to avoid, and that the seas are already more acidic than for half a million years due to carbon dioxide dissolved in the oceans. How much more warning do we need?

The film is set in 2055, a little less than half a century on from today. Pete Postlethwaite plays a man living alone in a devastated future, looking back at our world of today and asking why we didn't save ourselves when we still had time. His character is not the last survivor, as is often misquoted: groups of individuals are seen in the devastated scenes preceding Pete's introduction and the camera pans past a large, populated refugee camp. Many people are left alive, but there has clearly been a collapse in both the human population and the structures of civilization we know today.

In the world depicted in the film, the inhabitants are suffering the results of all the cumulative emissions that we have already put into the atmosphere (between the start of the industrial revolution in1850 and today, 2009), plus additional emissions which will have been added over the future decades - during which, according to the conceit of the film, humanity continued with its business-as-usual fossil fuel use and did not make dramatic emission reductions. This conceit is, again, not a work of our scriptwriters’ feverish imaginations, but is currently considered the most likely scenario: according to the International Energy Agency's standard forecast, emissions will be 45% higher than today as early as 2030[1]. (In the language of the IPCC SRES scenarios, for the policy wonks and modellers out there, we're talking about somewhere between A1FI and A2[2].)

Over the last decade or so, the rate of emissions increase has nearly tripled. We are currently on, or a little above, (depending on whose figures you use) the IPCC's worst-case emissions scenario - here, today, in the real world[3]. The film is pessimistic in the sense that it examines in imaginary hindsight from the vantage point of 2055 why humanity failed to reduce its emissions - but, more than fifteen years since the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change was signed, we should already be asking this question. From a policy-as-usual perspective, it is a reasonable supposition that we will probably keep on failing. (This is not to suggest fatalism or denial: the film is a clear cautionary tale, and one which is already backed up by a campaigning effort aimed at inspiring its viewers to become climate activists: 'Not Stupid',

So taking this high-emissions future trajectory, what do climate models suggest? We took a temperature estimate of just over 2°C above pre-industrial levels by 2055, well within the standard range of the IPCC models[4]. (Note that today’s temperature is already 0.8°C above the pre-industrial ‘natural’ climate[5].) The picture is complicated because we are talking about transient climate change here, not a steady state: a world experiencing more than two degrees of warming by mid-century may well be on course for four or more degrees by 2100[6].

Given that the temperature change is realistic, how realistic are the impacts portrayed resulting from it? The opening sequence may raise some eyebrows: London is flooded and silent, the Sydney Opera House is shown against a backdrop of raging flames, the Matterhorn in Switzerland is denuded of snow, and Las Vegas is buried in shifting desert sands. Surely these are all exaggerations? Sorry, they're not.

1. London flooded: As is clearly stated in the film by one of our future newsreaders (in the sequence of dates counting up from 2007 to 2055), "London is underwater again as last night's 30 foot storm surge overcame the Thames Barrier...". So we are not suggesting sea level rise of over a metre by mid-century: that would indeed be unrealistic. (The latest science suggests that anything above 2 metres by 2100 is physically implausible given the likely response times of ice sheets to additional climate forcing[7].) London has been hit by a double-whammy of a storm surge, which has overwhelmed its defences, - on top of 40cm or so of additional sea level rise. While most of the capital remains above water, the areas seen - low-lying and close to the Thames (Westminster, the City, Canary Wharf) - are indeed vulnerable.

2. Alps melted. It is certainly realistic to expect even the highest Alpine peaks to be largely denuded of snow and ice by the 2055 date[8].

3. Australia on fire. Sadly, these images are not as shocking as when we made them eight months ago, because of the terrible fires which have recently destroyed thousands of acres and killed over 200 people in south Australia. Similarly, when today’s Australia is already facing severe drought and water shortages - and where forest fires already threaten major cities in bad years - an out-of-control blaze could well be laying waste to Sydney half a century in the future[9].

4. Las Vegas abandoned. Water shortage problems will also realistically affect the arid US west, where the Colorado river (which provides much of Las Vegas's water supply) is already over-stretched, and will lose much of its seasonal flow as rising temperatures reduce snowpack in the Sierra Nevada and Rocky Mountains[10].

5, 6. India overheated, Arctic melted. But what about the Arctic refugee camps? The vultures pecking at bodies outside the Taj Mahal? Will human civilisation really collapse so easily? Who knows. As the banking meltdown is proving, everything seems hunky-dory until it starts to go wrong - and then apparently resilient human social systems can collapse with alarming speed. The ecological impacts underlying the film's end-of-the-world scenario are really just the underlying drivers of social collapse - and how these things will really unfold is always largely unpredictable. It is much easier to predict physical planetary change than the human social response to it - which is why climate models have largely been proven right by history, whilst economic models have almost always been proven wrong.

Suffice to say that the social collapse scenario is realistic enough to be being taken seriously by the military in both America and other countries[11]. One of the reasons why Al Gore and the IPCC were awarded the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize was in acknowledgement of the fact that if efforts to reduce climate-changing emissions fail, global warming will be one of the main drivers of human conflict in decades ahead as resources dwindle and competition increases. The Age of Stupid looks at precisely this world - where efforts to reduce emissions have failed, temperatures are soaring, and humans are battling it out for the scraps of civilisation.

We should not take this analysis too far, however. The Age of Stupid is a creative, artistic work, presenting an imaginary future. It is not a filmed version of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report. We expect scientists and everyone else who watches it to have different reactions. Some may love it, and be moved by it; others may hate it and refuse to accept its lessons. All we ask is that you do not dismiss it - and thereby deny your own responsibility to act - on the basis that it is 'alarmist' or unscientific. I'm afraid that is simply not true.

Kit H (173)
Friday July 30, 2010, 6:01 pm
(Those who are interested in a degree-by-degree exposition of climate impacts could refer to my book Six Degrees. Using hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific papers, the book shows that climate change above two degrees is likely to take the planet past 'tipping points' - such as the burning down of the Amazon rainforest, and the release of billions of tonnes of methane from thawing Arctic permafrost - which could drive the warming process essentially beyond human control[12].)

1.IEA, World Energy Outlook 2008, Executive Summary:
2.Nakicenovic, N. et al, 2000: IPCC Special Report on Emissions Scenarios, Figure SPM-2
3.Raupach, M. et al, 2007: ‘Global and Regional Drivers of Accelerating CO2 Emissions’, PNAS, 104, 24, 10288-10293
4.Compare for example with the recent Institute of Mechanical Engineers report, which used the Hadley Centre models to generate 2C of warming by the 2040s for an A2 IPCC scenario:
5.See 2008 NASA GISS data for global temperature trends:
6.As everyone knows, the textbook IPCC projections produce an upper limit, for the entire ‘envelope’ of emissions scenarios, of 5.8C in the 2001 Third Assessment Report, and 6.4C in the Fourth Assessment Report, issued in 2007.
7.Pfeffer, W. et al, 2008: ‘Kinematic Constraints on Glacier Contributions to 21-st Century Sea-Level Rise’, Science, 321, 1340-1343
8.One 2006 study suggested an 80% loss of glacier cover for a 3C summertime regional Alpine warming (which approximately matches a 2C global average rise). See Zemp, M. et al, 2006: ‘Alpine glaciers to disappear within decades?’, Geophysical Research Letters, 33, L13504
9.Anyone who doubts this need only refer to recent news reports of blazes in South Australia, which killed more than 200 people. Projections of summer temperatures of 4-5C higher than now in South Australia with a high emissions scenario are made in the 2007 Climate Change in Australia report pubished by CSIRO and the Australia Bureau of Meteorology.
10.The Obama Administration’s Energy Secretary Stephen Chu spoke of a “scenario where there’s no more agriculture” in February 2009, adding that “I don’t actually see how they can keep their cities going” either. For scientific backup, see for example: Hayhoe, K. et al, 2004: ‘Emissions pathways, climate change and impacts on California’, PNAS, 101, 34, 12422-12427
11.Campbell, K et al 2007: The Age of Consequences: The Foreign Policy and National Security Implications of Global Climate Change, Centre for Strategic and International Studies
12.Lynas, M, 2007: Six Degrees: Our Future on a Hotter Planet, Harper Perennial

Sherylee Harper (21)
Friday July 30, 2010, 6:14 pm
I am so happy that I never had children.

Kit H (173)
Friday July 30, 2010, 6:17 pm
Sherylee, thank you for not adding another mouth to feed. your genes are still carried by others.

Kathy B (106)
Friday July 30, 2010, 6:24 pm
I'd like to further Gregory's thoughts about population control with my musings of the "right to lifers". 1st, I will say that I am childless by choice and call myself Pro-Choice. BUT, I will say I have never been a position to have needed an abortion, so don't honestly know what I would have done.

My observations in reading the right-to-life "message" is that they have a different dictionary than I, that has different meanings for the words life and baby than mine. In some cases their dictionary defines an unfertilized egg as life. With the recent articles where scientists state that a fetus does not feel pain prior to 24 weeks, a common comment is something along the lines of "that's just not true".

I guess I just don't know how to argue against something that has no basis in logic.

Kit H (173)
Friday July 30, 2010, 7:27 pm
The rights to life is not just for humans. The earth is a habitat for all living things. The earth is not meant just for the survival of one species or the domination of one species. Even during the age of the dinosaurs, there are many other species. One species does not make up an ecosystem. Unless we learn to love, co-exist, and respect other specieses, including our flora, we cannot save anything.

In this modern era, greed is rationalized and celebrated, it is wrong.

Jeannette A (137)
Friday July 30, 2010, 7:43 pm
While we point to the greed and selfishness of the human race, we ignore all the beauty, grace and compassion that is the other side of our species. There is much good to save, much worthwhile to work towards and many people deserving of our care and our fight for survival.

IE Ries (237)
Friday July 30, 2010, 7:45 pm
Kit, I would add that the planet's other species would actually be better off without humans as we have no known biological or ecological niche. This isn't the case for other species, as plants and animals evolved to be interrelated. Humans, on the other hand? Not so much. Not at all, actually. Our disappearance would not harm other species, but the disappearance of a species such as raptors, for example, means imbalance in the predatory-to-prey species and potential issues for future generations of other species as some go unchecked, for example.

Unlike others here, I am not very invested in the "future" of humans. If we cease to exist, so be it. We're not a "superior species" in any real regard except for in our own minds, perhaps, because we see ourselves as the center of the universe, on the right hand of divinity, blah blah blah ad nauseum (thank you, religous dogma!). We fail to see that our lack of ecological and biological use or place in Nature's scheme and hierarchy makes us 100% expendable.

Kit H (173)
Friday July 30, 2010, 8:13 pm
Yes, human species is a recent introduction and a recent actor on earth. The one species that creates destructive civilization. I am not judgemental if humans are superior and inferior in any terms. We are just another species who does not self-consciently control our instinct of reproduction. If we can change our mind, our conscience as a whole, we can do good instead of evil.

Read on Speciesism:

Some believers in human exceptionalism base the concept in the Abrahamic religions, such as the verse in Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” " Animal rights advocates argue that dominion refers to stewardship and does not denote any right to mistreat other animals, which is consistent with the Bible.[24] Buddhism, despite its reputation for respect for animals, explicitly accords humans a higher status in the progression of reincarnation.[25] Animals may be reincarnated as humans, but only humans can reach enlightenment.[25] Felipe Fernández-Armesto writes that early hunter-gatherer societies such as the Innu [26] and many animist religions lacked a concept of humanity and placed non-human animals and plants on an equal footing with humans.[27]


. (0)
Friday July 30, 2010, 8:21 pm
I just can't give up hope. We may not solve the world's problems in my lifetime, we never reverse climate change, or undo all of the catastrophic things we have done. But I won't give up hope and I won't stop trying. I believe we will prevail rather than slip, not so quietly, into the night.

Kit H (173)
Friday July 30, 2010, 8:23 pm
If our numbers are well within/under the limit of the balance of the earth can allow, it can be heaven on earth. Conversely, this runaway human population growth unleashes all evils.

Repent, redeem, do good, be kind, treat other species as our equal earthlings while we still can.

greenplanet e (155)
Friday July 30, 2010, 9:36 pm
It's not just population numbers, it's the way (some, many industrialized) humans use resources and consume the earth. Industrialized humans need to change their ways.

Human population increased rapidly with the rabid exploitation of fossil fuels and minerals of the earth, the industrial revolution and "economic growth". Oil is used to make fertilizers, pesticides, to transport food. These are factors in population growth.

greenplanet e (155)
Friday July 30, 2010, 9:38 pm
If humans slowed down their fossil fuel extraction/use, and lived more simple lives, population growth might also decline.

There is no way that the fossil fuel, endless "economic growth" model is sustainable in the long term, as can already be seen by those who care to see it.

Kit H (173)
Friday July 30, 2010, 9:40 pm
I have made a correction on wiki:

"conversely, humans based on his behavior/action can be demoted to the next life to non-human forms;"

Buddhism, despite its reputation for respect for animals, explicitly accords humans a higher status in the progression of reincarnation.[25] Animals may be reincarnated as humans, conversely, humans based on his behavior/action can be demoted to the next life to non-human forms; but only humans can reach enlightenment.[25]

Kit H (173)
Friday July 30, 2010, 10:01 pm
In response to Koo:

Back to industrial capitalsist society treating human population as market of consumers for them to extract profit, making up the fallacy of economic growth for living standard betterment without the consideration of everything else, the carrying capacity of the earth. This cultural construct needs to be demythized.

Chris E (50)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 3:13 am
Sad. In my world the only ones who care are most of you here and my mother. For the rest of my friends and associates do not change their ways or seem concerned. Noted.

Spencer Selander (8)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 3:40 am
It is possible that ocean acidification, caused by the high CO2 levels we have created, could result is a massive eruption of sulfur dioxide from the oceans wiping out all higher life forms on land. Scientists have found evidence that such an event has occurred in the past, and worry that we might trigger just such a global catastrophe.

An event of that nature is the only way I can see Homo Sapiens going completely extinct in such a short time frame - we're too adaptable, and too numerous. Otherwise, I foresee a pitiful remnant of the our descendants continuing to scratch out a miserable existence from the blighted Earth for a long time to come. The radically altered conditions might result in the evolution of a new species of humans; this would take much longer than a century, though.

One of the most important measures we need to take in order to forestall such disasters is to convert all farming to organic methods. Organic farming takes vast quantities of carbon out of the atmosphere and puts it into the soil - the complete opposite of the currently dominant factory farm system, which is one of the largest sources of greenhouse gas emissions. Unfortunately, big agribusiness has a stranglehold on most of America's farmland, and is unlikely to change its ways willingly.

There is still hope for us, but we have to fight the entrenched interests who can't see beyond their next quarter's profits. Keep fighting!

Saturday July 31, 2010, 3:53 am
Noted - and the day that this happens Mother Earth will finally live in peace.

Aleksandra B (1)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 6:11 am
Thanks for interesting article. But I can't take it seriously anymore. I know that we - people - can be harmful for our planet. But the climate changes happened here long before the first people appeared on the Earth. It can happen again, or something else will kill us - may be. May be not. No one can say for sure. I think it's already enough to predict apocalypse. I've heard of it since my childhood, my youngest brother now reads such things. But such information is harmful, it is meant to manipulate us. We have just to know and understand that some of our actions can have fatal consequences. We should try to live in harmony with the nature not because we're afraid, but out of respect to the nature, to the planet and to ourselves. Fear can just paralyze our minds.. We don't know what will happen tomorrow, what to say about 100 years later. I wish everyone to live today and try to do their best today

. (0)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 6:52 am
Well put, Aleksandra.

And, Jinny - 'Mother Earth' has never 'lived in peace', even before humans arose on this planet. Aside from all the natural disasters that have always occurred throughout earth's history, the animal kingdom itself has never lived 'in peace'.

It really is disturbing to see how many people in society seem to see humans as unworthy of ethical consideration (and that isn't directed at you, Jinny.) Like any other species on this planet, we have a right to consider our own needs. And to believe that we have a right to exist, just as any other animal fights for his own survival.

We humans have undoubtedly done far more damage to this planet than necessary (and by living in what we consider civilized conditions we have no choice but to do SOME damage.) And we have to try and minimize and repair as much of that damage as possible. But it would indeed be tragic if we vanished from the universe. Because, like all other species, we have our own unique qualities - and uniqueness cannot be recreated. And I value what our unique species has accomplished. The loss of diversity and the loss of knowledge is never something to be wished for.

Saturday July 31, 2010, 6:56 am
hey guys what is happening here? all seem to believe that we are already gone...then what on earth are you all doing here?...then why are you still having kids?... don't buy this is not the beginning of the end it is the return to innosence...and mr prince charles...why don't you just extinct so the rest of us can be saved? and the rest of the elite are the monumental problem...shame on you bloody bas...d!!!

Kenneth L (314)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 7:17 am
In response to Roolbos Bird: so humans have no 'ecological or biological benefit to the earth'? Let's see, how many animals, trees, plants, etc. have been born and are alive because of humans feeding them or helping them throughout the millenia. Not 'natural'? Can't use that term because humans being HERE and interacting with other life forms makes it 'natural'. Humans haven't evolved to be interrelated with other species? How about all our ancestors who were food for various predators and vice versa? How about all the bacteria, viruses, parasites that have lived off of humans for thousands of years? How about all our bodily wastes and decomposition of bodies amassed since humans have been on this planet which have assisted the survival of micro-organisms etc? These are all non-human living organisms.
Humans have had the same efforts to survive and counter-efforts against their survival as any other other species.
Every time I read how someone tries to make humans out to be 'not natural' or 'not needed' or 'no benefit' or 'no use' it's like looking at someone who does not know who or what they are, and are into total blame and total abdication of responsibility of self for being here on this planet.
None of this justifies wrongful acts against non-human life forms but it's a far cry from 'humans have no 'use' on this planet. One could say they have as much 'use' as any other life form.

Gloria Maria Ortega Zuinaga (19)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 7:22 am
Lla revolución industrial basado en la explotación del petroleo y minerales .
La contaminación de lagos, ríos mares. Las guerras de destrucción . las pruebas nucleares. Han acabado con los recursos de la tierra que debían alimentar a nuestros nietos. Cada familia tiene uno o dos hijos nada mas. El cambio a un modo de vida menos perjudicial. Que favorezca la preservación de los recursos de la Nturaleza es necesario.

Gloria Maria Ortega Zuinaga (19)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 8:04 am
En México varias comunidades trabajaron unidas para limpiar una hermosa cascada y su manantial. "EL Salto de San Antón" en Morelos, México. Investigadores universitarios y campesinos trabajaron organizadamente. Poco a poco se tomó conciencia en la región.Había empresarios unidos desde el principio a este proyecto, Algunos políticos también creían en él.Pero los grandes. Los empresarios que derramaban los desechos de sus industrias en el manantial fueron presionados por la sociedad, dejaron de hacerlo. Utilizaron sus máquinas procesadoras. Los politicos importantes tuvieron que cooperar. Fueron los últimos, pero ya la población involucrada era muy numerosa. Un importante compositor mexicano, Arturo Márquez, hizo una hermosa canción al "Salto de San Anton" "El Salto de San Anton" quedó limpio Toda la región tomó conciencia de este hecho. ESTO ES IMPORTANTE, SE LOGRÖ LIMPIAR EL MANANTIAL: CON LA ORGANIZACION DE GENTE DEL CAMPO,PROFUNDA CONOCEDORA DE LA TIERRA Y SUS RECURSOS. INVESTIGADORES ECOLOGISTAS DE ALTO NIVEL, CON EL CIUDADANO COMUN QUE SE INFORMO Y APOYO. INDUSTRIALES Y POLITICOS, FINALMENTE APOYARON TAMBIEN. SE HABÍA CREADO UNA GRAN CONCIENCIA BASADA EN CONOCIMIENTO VERIDICO: SE REQUIRIO MUCHO TRABAJO, FATIGAS; VALENTIA Y POR FIN LA INTELIGENCIA Y COMPRENCION HUMANAS HICIERON EL RESTO:

Joel Scott S (17)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 9:03 am
I am not too surpised if the Human race is disappearing. Between all the toxic stuff and on-coming new diseases that will be difficult to cure, our bodies will be "programed" through multation. Being overpopulated is causing all these problems.

Al Baars (27)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 9:31 am
100 years sounds about right, barring technological advances in clean-up, and the relinquishment of power by big oil and dirty coal, and use available clean technology for energy.

If we never again vote another Republican into office (since they always work for more pollution, wars, and inequality).

Of course, Republican appointed judges have declared that companies can pump unlimited funds into the election process, which will ensure even more people are brainwashed into voting against their best interests.

The white washing of the gulf spill ("look! it's all gone!), the promotion of natural gas as a 'clean fuel', the continued differences in fuel economy standards between the US, and the rest of the world (a Ford Focus gets 55 MPG in the UK) all paint a disturbing picture of our possible future.

We may devolve into fractured feudal colonies first, the rich will need servants, and a food source.

Remember, Wednesday is soylent green day.

Lloyd Sevigny (20)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 9:35 am
Ah yes Kenneth, once more you are pontificating from an "Archie Bunker" pulpit. We are a most unnatural species of animal. I would really say that all of the animals (not including us), would be much better off without us. We are of no use at all on this planet. For heaven's sake man.. look around you, if you can put the remote or the cb radio down for a few seconds, and tell me again how wonderful we are because the animals can eat our decomposed bodies after death. The animals that don't have the capacity to speak or write, give the earth their entire lives as continuing species which create no harm. NONE! Can you say that about us or our history? Look big guy, I am not at all happy that our species is in a race to extinguish ourselves. Please, can you bury the ego hatchet long enough to propose, in detail, what you are actually doing or helping others to do to help us stop the foolishness that's creating our eminent demise? Thanks! Have a great weekend!

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 9:40 am
Of the comments made in the last few hours I'd like to commend those of Kenneth, Spencer, Lindsey and Androniki. We all agree our species is overpopulating, over-predating, and must change for our sake and the sake of all forms of life. But the argument our species is an aberrant mutation that SHOULD go extinct for the sake of all other life is morally and intellectually bankrupt.
Specifically, Rooibus Bird, I find your comment of Friday July 30, at 7:45 pm flawed in both logic and fact. The whole of the Universe is one of evolution of complexity. When it comes to life forms -- ie species -- every last one exists because it competes for resources and propagates itself, whether Bubonic plague, bunny rabbits or homo sapiens. Not one species chose to exist, and not one individual of any species chose to be born. Every species in effect "mindlessly" propagates and consumes resources to excess until constrained by lack of resources or predated or out-competed by other species.
I rant more than most about the greedy and merciless and ignorant of our species, but it must be said there are more human beings out there right now who are unselfish, compassionate, merciful and consciously caring about ALL THEIR OWN AND OTHER SPECIES than there are animals that are. I love and value animals, so I don't want to see my comment misconstrued. I just want acknowledgement for purposes of enlightened discussion that wolves predate rabbits, whales slaughter krill, doplhins devour fish, birds kill insects, rabbits eat living vegetation, and species of vegetation kill their own and other species of vegetation taking all the water and nutrients they can take for themselves and their offspring.
Ours is a relatively new species, and for all our capacity for malevolence and excess of "success", there is also our capacity for enlightenment and good, which is to say our capacity to make choices for the sake of all life and not just our own selves or species or offspring. Yes, collectively we must change, but millions are enlightened to the need and are doing what they can, and maybe the majority won't change until it is forced upon them even to the point of their deaths, so it will take nature's imposition.
But a case can be made that without the potential for a species to evolve to true benevolence with a capacity to help propagate that accross species, all species are eventually destined for extinction and all of life is an accident or experiment dooming its species to endless cycles of suffering and predation on themselves and one another. As things stand the human species has the best chance of evolving to that truly benevolent consciousness and capability, and I'd like to give it the chance at the billion years or so it may take to arrive at the threshold of it or at least obtain glimpse of where it exists. And sure, we need to protect dolphins and all the species we can because we cannot possibly know which species if any is on the path to benevolence, if in fact it can be said to exist apart from Gaia or God or at all.
I choose to believe it does, for without it I see no point at all in Creation or Nature. This is not just some awesome and mysterious animation movie we were given a chance to witness and act in as a result of a bifurcation dictated by quantum mechanics or a fractal in chaos theory, and if it was, I'd be saying "Let's grab this chance to make the movie real, and give it one helluva a good ending for all life!".


Kathy B (106)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 9:50 am
Once again Gregory, thank you for being the voice of reason.

You cannot currently send a star to Gregory because you have done so within the last week.

MeowFoul B (191)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 12:07 pm
We can only hope, it's our own fault and look what a mess we have made and what a mess we will leave behind us.

Kenneth L (314)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 1:14 pm
Wow Lloyd, you seem to have a thing about 'macho redneck Archie Bunker CB radio men types'. LOL! Wrong on every single count. LOL! Your profile says you 'don't lie'. You also don't know the truth regarding me.
BTW such strange words of 'love' coming from someone who says they have 'taoist/buddhist/ beliefs and your earlier Krishnamurti post. You seem to continually rage with hate against human beings OF WHICH YOU ARE ONE and then with another face talk about being in the 'now which is love' Is your love selective? Is your understanding so limited?
I could care less what you think about me. You see what you see. I see what I see. And I certainly don't need your agreement regarding what I see.


Kenneth L (314)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 1:28 pm
And now Lloyd, let's look at what you said: "The animals that don't have the capacity to speak or write, give the earth their entire lives as continuing species which create no harm. NONE!"

There is one of your false data. Much much longer than humans have been on this planet have non-human species been EATING each other, FIGHTING continually for territory, some species eat, main, injure their own species, even the offspring of their own species, insects drive some individual animals mad or die from blood loss, some species infect wounds of other species and cause painful slow lingering deaths, parasites kill many individuals, the list goes on and on and on.
And not a single human was around.
You have a hate against your own species. Clean up yourself regarding your own acts and then you'll be able to see better.
Nature and animals without humans IS NOT some dweeb sweetness and light 'paradise'. Never has been on this planet.
None of this of course justifies humans committing wrongful acts against nature or animals where they have done so. But that is a far cry from string all humans up because they aren't 'natural' or 'shouldn't exist' etc.

. (0)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 1:32 pm
A species doesn't have to be 'of use' (as defined by anyone's personal concept of usefulness) to have a right to exist. Humans evolved on this planet like every other animal. We exist. And we have a natural right to fight for our continued existence.

It isn't the fact that we're humans which makes us so dangerous - it's the fact that we have the kind of intellect we possess and that we have that ever-useful opposable thumb, among other physical advantages such as walking upright. We've done more damage on this earth than any other species precisely because we are both intellectually and physically capable of shaping our environment and creatively providing for our needs in ways that other animals cannot. And had the intelligence, opposable thumbs, and everything else that gives us an advantage in this world gone to, say, the cats, I'm quite sure they would have done just as much damage to their environment as we have (and would undoubtedly be factory-farming humans, along with other creatures, for their own consumption).

We are animals, intrinsically no better and no worse than any other (except to some religionists, of course). And just like all animals, we work to survive and thrive the best we know how.

Jose Ovidio Perez Morel (50)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 2:22 pm
That scientist think like an alien, look from the sun to human been like the same another species.....without inteligent, without capacity to change the life and to change the behavior. Look the human been depending of the nature and destiny. Beside, use the overpopulation like gun to justify the bad distribution of the resources and richness all over the´s easy to say that from this side of the death. That´s an insane man with straight mind and open brain, so we need to eliminate some people, begining with him............

Kit H (173)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 3:11 pm
Courage, Responsibility, Wisdom, Action!

Life is take and give. The problem is taking too much without giving back equally much and we break the system.

We break it. It is our responsibility to fix it. Let us be courageous, wise, and roll up our sleeves to fix it!

Use our intelligence for good use!

If you cannot be a constructionist for a good cause, at least do not be a deconstructionist for a good cause!


. (0)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 3:13 pm
In other words, Kit: lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Eleanor B (909)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 4:00 pm
If you consider all the harm that the human race has done to this planet and to all the other species in it as well as to its own, it would not be a bad idea if it became extinct. I just hope that before it becomes extinct it will release all the captive primates and other creatures it keeps in cages for experiments and lets them live as nature intended. The sad thing is that the human race became dominant and caused such harm and cruelty. Morally, it does not deserve to survive.

Judianne D (273)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 4:09 pm
I had not heard this before but thank you for the information all and I will be checking it out more.

Lloyd Sevigny (20)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 4:28 pm
WOW! Do any of you realize that this is the post with the longest comments I've ever seen. I would say that the response mechanisms are mostly out of fear.. then of course there are the macho tough guys, the bleeding heart "tree-huggers" and the "sacred "holy" people" and the couch philosophers, the politically inclined, the elderly, the faint-hearted and too many to count.. and guess what? They all have a good point to make (yes, you too Kenneth). I am amazed at the response. Bur I will now officially decline to ever comment again on this post. Too many egos (mine included) in the way. "So farewell old friends and have another drink on me, and ignore all the others, you've go your memories"- Elton John

Animae C (516)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 4:34 pm
Kit H. re your copy/pasted quote from Wikepedia ~
"Buddhism, despite its reputation for respect for animals......."
Instead of quoting other's perceptions of literature (Wikepedia), you might want to educate yourself into what the Buddha actually says re the topic of Animals, then you can quote yourself & know it's entirely your own perception.
with Love

Kit H (173)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 5:21 pm
I add mine to make it not as distorted. It is still distorted. Anyone interested for further info. can start looking up "incarnation" in wiki, there are much qualified authors to speak on this topic.

My perception on this is: Animals in Buddhism is not inferior in value of importance of life. The disadvantage is that they do not have as humans the large variety of chances to learn and the large variety of choices in taking conscious action.

In the Bible, the apple, is similar. Again, I do not have experte to speak on this topic. My perception is the apple gives us the faculty to think, we can use it intelligently for benevolent behavior or otherwise. We harvest what we seed with our choice of action.

The taoists, their aim is to live accordingly with nature.

I do not want to input any mystic part of any religions or bodies of philosophy. It is all personal business.

Gloria Maria Ortega Zuinaga (19)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 9:36 pm
Gracias Kit H, por tu reconocimiento. La información que he obtenido en este foro es muy valiosa para informar y crear conciencia entre mis familiares y mis amistades.
Hace tiempo en la Ciudad de México, había un sistema de jefes de manzana. (manzana se le llama a las cuatro cuadras en donde está ubicado tu hogar), Este jefe de manzana era elegido por sus vecinos. Yo fui jefa de manzana por nueve años. Mi trabajo era observar y anotar los problemas en los servicios públicos: El servicio de recoger basura, reparar faroles, reparar baches, mantener cuidados los árboles, desazolve de alcantarillado,vigilancia vecinal, etc. Si algo fallaba se informaba a la Delegación encargada de proporcionar estos servicios, se estaba atenta a que se resolviera el problema y se hacía una circular informando a todos los vecinos cuando se había resuelto., o los motivos por los cuales no se había solucionado todavía. Algunas peticiones requirieron mucho apoyo. Para que la Delegación instalara un semáforo en una crucero peligro se necesitaron varias cartas de solicitud. La última llevaba la firma del presidente de la asociación de residentes de mi colonia. Las firmas de cinco jefes de manzana, incluída mi firma, más LA FIRMA DE 300 VECINOS. Una comitiva de 8 ciudadanos llevó este preciado documento a la Delegación. Al poco tiempo pusieron el semáforo y se terminaron los accidentes de tránsito.

Me preguntarán que porque acepté este trabajo tanto tiempo. Porque estaba siguiendo el ejemplo de mi madre. Cuando era pequeña vivíamos en otra colonia de la Ciudad de México y las dos esquinas de la cuadra donde vivíamos necesitaban un semáforo respectivamente. Mi madre y otras dos vecinas estuvieron visitando a los funcionarios de Tránsito y Vialidad de la Delegación DURANTE SEIS MESES. Hasta que lograron que se pusieran los dos semáforos y de esta manera, nosotros, los hijos de estas tres buenas mujeres, podíamos cruzar la calle con seguridad. Eran amas de casa preocupadas por el entorno en el cual vivían sus hijos y fueron tenaces, prudentes, convincentes. El día que se instalaron los semáforos, el Jefe de Tránsito avisó a mi madre y a sus dos amigas para que asistieran a su instalación. Estaba realmente impresionado por su noble acción. Recuerdo que le invitaron a tomar pastel y otras viandas sabrosas como gesto de agradecimiento. El funcionario se fue llevando consigo una lección de vida. Nuestro camino al hogar se volvió seguro.Nuestras madres quedaron satisfechas, habían cumplido su misión.

Observo en las fotos de los presentes en este foro una gran mayoría de jóvenes y me pregunto si ellos hubieran sido tan constantes en esta situación o en cualquier otra que necesitara su habitat.

Kit H (173)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 10:43 pm
Gloria O. Saturday July 31, 2010, 8:04 am
Lla industrial revolution based on the exploitation of oil and minerals.
Pollution of lakes, rivers, seas. The wars of destruction. nuclear testing. They finished with the land resources that should feed our grandchildren. Every family has one or two children, nothing more. The change to a less harmful way of life. To encourage the preservation of resources Nturaleza necessary.

Kit H (173)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 10:48 pm
Gloria - Saturday July 31, 2010, 8:04 am
In Mexico, several communities have worked together to clean a beautiful waterfall and spring. "El Salto de San Antón" in Morelos, Mexico. University researchers and farmers organized labor. Gradually he became aware in the región.Había employers together since the beginning of this project, Some politicians also believed in major él.Pero. Employers who poured their waste at source industries were pressured by society, they stopped. They used their processing machines. Important politicians had to cooperate. They were the last, but the people involved were very large. A major Mexican composer Arturo Marquez, a beautiful song to the "Salto de San Anton" "El Salto de San Anton" The whole area was cleansed became aware of this fact. THIS IS IMPORTANT DOES THE SPRING CLEAN: PEOPLE WITH THE ORGANIZATION OF FIELD, deep knowledge of the Earth and its resources. Ecological Research HIGH-LEVEL, WITH THE COMMON CITIZEN REPORTING AND SUPPORT. INDUSTRIAL AND POLITICAL FINALLY supported as well. WAS CREATED A GREAT KNOWLEDGE-BASED AWARENESS true: IT IS REQUIRED MUCH WORK, FATIGUE, COURAGE AND FINALLY THE INTELLIGENCE AND HUMAN COMPRENCION did the rest:
This quest. This feat was achieved. HOW much can be accomplished in charity activities. GRADUALLY. THANK YOU. ASI PEOPLE PUT IN MY FUTURE LIFE EXPECTANCY:

Kit H (173)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 10:52 pm
Gloria - Saturday July 31, 2010, 9:36 pm
Kit H Thanks for your recognition. The information I found on this forum is very valuable to inform and raise awareness among my relatives and my friends.
Long ago in Mexico City, was a system of block chiefs. (Apple is called the four blocks where your home is located), this head of block was elected by his neighbors. I was head of Apple for nine years. My job was to observe and record the problems in the public service: The service of collecting garbage, repairing street lights, repairing potholes, maintaining care of trees, desilting of sewers, neighborhood watch, etc.. If something was wrong with informing the delegation responsible for providing these services was attentive to the problem was resolved and there was a circular informing all residents when it was resolved., Or the reasons why it had not been solved yet . Some requests required much support. For the Delegation install a stoplight at a dangerous crossing it took several letters of application. The latter was signed by the president of the residents of my neighborhood. The signatures of five heads of apple, including my signature, plus 300 SIGNATURE OF NEIGHBORS. A delegation of eight people took this precious document to the Delegation. Soon the lights began and ended the traffic accidents.

I ask that because I took this job so long. Because he was following the example of my mother. When I was little we lived in a colony of Mexico City and the two corners of the block where we were needed a light respectively. My mother and two neighbors were visiting officials of Traffic and Transportation of the Delegation for six months. Until they managed to put two traffic lights and in this way, we the children of these three good women, we could cross the street safely. Housewives were concerned about the environment in which children lived and were tenacious, prudent, credible. The day the lights were installed, the Head of Traffic told my mother and her two friends to attend the installation. I was really impressed by his noble action. I remember that he was invited to make tasty cake and other foods as a gesture of thanks. The officer was carrying a life lesson. Our way home seguro.Nuestras became mothers were satisfied, had fulfilled its mission.

I note in the photos of those present at this forum a majority of young people and I wonder if they had been so constant in this situation or in any other that need their habitat.

pam w (139)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 3:46 am
Of course the human species evolved "naturally" and has a "right" to be here. What's wrong with our species is that we've removed ourselves from the natural system of things and THIS is the cause of our undoing..

We've created religious systems which have set us ''above'' other species.

We've over-populated and we've bred ourselves into a state where we've become weakened physically, blind to our own own ignorance and, in a way which hasn't been seen on this planet before, we ARE causing our own extinction.

Unlike the many other "natural" extinctions due to asteroid collisions, ice ages, etc, WE have nobody to blame here but our selves,

Spencer Selander (8)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 5:04 am
I misspoke before - it's hydrogen sulphide, not sulfur dioxide, which may form in our dying oceans and poison most life on the planet (it was late, I was tired). Either will kill you just as dead, though.

I did some more reading about this; the extinction event this phenomenon is believed to have caused in the Permian period wiped out 95% of species, both on land and in the sea. Apparently there were small areas that were protected, and served as refuges for some to survive. This also would take more than 100 years to develop, more like 500.

Clara Bielecki (18)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 7:54 am
The Last extinction didn't have US Greedy users to speed it on it's way.

Clara Bielecki (18)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 8:02 am
To Kit H. You don't really think WE are going to change do you?
To the rest of my doomed fellow men, Everything we discuss as a cure for this calamity.... BAND-AIDS. There is one sure cure. Birth control in the water. A handful might survive and start over but I think this earth could be an Eden again and Man doesn't belong here.
I am not a misanthrope, There are people I'd give my life willingly for, but do you really think there is more than 5% of mankind that's worth saving? I DON'T.

Gloria Maria Ortega Zuinaga (19)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 11:28 am
Gracias Kit por traducir mis mensajes. Son hechos concretos, realizados por ciudadanos comunes. Se necesitó tener fe en la bondad humana.Se necesitó creer en el talento, inteligencia y esfuerzo organizativo de un grupo de personas con un proyecto común y de esta manera se sanearon dos áreas. Una en el campo, la otra en la ciudad. SÍ SE PUEDE. Respetuosamente te digo Clara Bielecki, SÏ PODEMOS CAMBIAR, poco a poco, por comunidades, en todas las zonas de la Tierra. Se solicitan personas con Voluntad para cambiar, Con esperanza depositada en un proyecto viable, de acuerdo a la dimensión del grupo. CON FE EN SÍ MISMA Y CON FE EN TUS VECINOS. EL FATALISMO Y LA INDOLENCIA TE DERROTA DE ANTEMANO CLARA. ¿ME EXPLICO? Mi colonia tiene 70 bloques. sólo trabajamos 50 jefes de bloque. Nos organizamos en comisiones. Tocamos puerta por puerta, preguntando cúales eran los tres problemas más difíciles que se tenían en el bloque (cuatro cuadras), Algunos vecinos no te abrían la puerta, escuchaban por la ventana. Mostrabas tu credencial de Jefe de bloque y pasabas un papel y una pluma. Así empecé. Al final, las cuarenta familias de mi bloque me invitaban a tomar un té o un café, me pedían información y me señalaban algunas peticiones.
No digo que sea fácil, te fatigas y te desalientas...pero si unos pocos se interesan, con ellos formas un grupo de voluntarios que trabajan por la buena calidad de vida de tu entorno. Aún hoy, que ya no soy jefe de bloque, sigo manteniendo una red de vigilancia vecinal con mis vecinos y comerciantes de mi bloque. Ya somos amigos. Mi regalo personal: Es muy agradable saludar a tus amigos de años, comentar con ellos la vida cotidiana. Seguir conociendo sus problemas y alegrías y si es encesario mandar nuestras cartas o hablar a la Delegación directamente, lo buieno es que ya me conocen y me respetan. Este fue mi premio a mi trabajo voluntario. Como dice el lema de Care 2. uno, mas uno, más uno...etc., hicimos la diferencia.

Kit H (173)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 12:12 pm
Some of us will change, some will not. Some have never even known about the devastating damages of the ecosystem we have caused, and some believe it is a hoax, and will not change. Some know and decide they will not do anything for what-so-ever reasons they justify. Some are prepared for every man for himself. Some are still in shock not capable of making any decision.

Some of my friends begin to cut down on oil consumption, become vegetarians, begin to educate themselves of permaculture to start growing some of their own food, post on facebook, educate and share info. and knowledge with others.

Who will survive? Those who deserve or do not? It may be more like a lottery ticket. The mentally tough and physically strong are better against the odds. There were in the past 4 population bottlenecks in our lineage.

Kit H (173)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 12:17 pm
Gloria - Sunday August 1, 2010, 11:28 am
Thanks Kit for translating my messages. They are specific acts performed by ordinary citizens. It needed to have faith in the goodness humana.Se needed to believe in the talent, intelligence and organizational efforts of a group of people with a common project and thus two areas were cleaned. One in the field, the other in the city. YES YOU CAN. Clara Bielecki Respectfully I say, If we can change, little by little, for communities in all areas of the Earth. Will persons are requested to change, with hopes for a viable project, according to the size of the group. FAITH WITH ITSELF AND WITH FAITH IN YOUR NEIGHBORS. Fatalism and indolence TE CLARA DEFEAT IN ADVANCE. Do I make myself? My neighborhood is 70 blocks. Only 50 heads of block work. We are organized in committees. We knocked door to door, asking what were the three most difficult problems were on the block (four blocks), Some neighbors do not open the door, listening through the window. Show your credentials as head of block and were spending a paper and a pen. So I started. In the end, the forty families in my block I was invited for tea or coffee, I called information and pointed me some requests.
I'm not saying it's easy, you get tired and lose heart ... but if a few are concerned with them forms a group of volunteers working for the good quality of life around you. Even today, I am no longer head of the block, I maintain a network of neighborhood watch with my neighbors and merchants in my block. We are friends. My personal gift: It's nice to greet your friends for years, discuss with them everyday. Continue to know their problems and joys and if encesario send our letters or talking to the delegation directly, buieno is that you know me and respect me. This was my reward for my volunteer work. As the motto of Care in February. one plus one plus one ... etc., we made a difference.

Kit H (173)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 12:25 pm
If enough of us can change, we may reverse the tide!

John Feeney (1)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 12:44 pm
It's conceivable humanity could become extinct. What happens with climate will have a lot to do with that. Easier to predict, I think, is the end of civilization and merely a much, much smaller human population. Here's an analysis of the whole thing with the focus on the problem of agriculture:

Maryjane P (43)
Monday August 2, 2010, 7:26 am
The exchanges between Kenneth and Lloyd are a good illustration of how ineffective negative, aggressive behavior can be. The points trying to be made are swallowed up in anger.

We have reached the point, or actually gone beyond the point where the inability to honor and respect each other with dignity is clutter and has no positive outcome. The day that we can express our differences of opinions, whether political, religious, cultural, etc, without arrogance and with an open heart and mind with the intent to resolve and make true progress as a species, is a day to celebrate and mark as true, significant progress.

Hate, arrogance, and the inability to tolerate differences in others, is another form of toxicity. (The stuff that wars are made of).
I hope that we can all correct this form of abuse in communications and honor each other, especially in the face of our own destiny. Peace.

Lloyd Sevigny (20)
Monday August 2, 2010, 8:46 am
@Mj P. Thanks for using me as a reference point in your dissertation in negativity. I really don't know Kenneth and my posts slamming him were wrong and I apologized in my so called "last post". You are right about the lack of positive outcome. I am not yet a perfect human being. I wish I was. There is no final outcome of peace or tolerance on any level and you are sort of implying that there may be one. We are a ways off yet and I guess you will have to tolerate some angry outbursts for some time to come. I was amazed to get the request that you initiated to "link up" with me. However I am ready for a friendship, we could all use an outspoken friend. But have you noticed that this "human race will be extinct" post has turned into a forum for all conceivable sorts of comments going back and forth? That's why I wrote that I will not make any more comments.. but I just had to see what you wrote! Namaste!

Maryjane P (43)
Monday August 2, 2010, 9:38 am
You were provoked.
This post is indeed a hot topic...for obvious reasons... other than the scientific aspect...effective communication with honorable intention is the best way to move forward...even when attacked and singled out...that is when I do not bother to acknowledge...
Take care, Lloyd.

Kit H (173)
Monday August 2, 2010, 1:31 pm
NIRVANA (Nibbana)

Since all which is born must die, since all which is finite must change, the only thing immortal, infinite, and unchanging is that which was never born and is not compounded. This is Nirvana. But the Buddha talked relatively little about Nirvana. For since it is neither matter nor energy, and since it does not exist within space and time, it is completely unrelated to anything with which we are familiar. Thus, it cannot be described, conceptualized nor understood by the normal human mind. It is known only by direct experience beyond sense perception and is the end of all dukkha. When Nirvana is experienced, egotism has died, for Nirvana comes only with the abolition of all selfishness and craving. Yet one does not vegetate but continues to act and work as long as the body remains alive. This is Buddhist salvation, and it is found by the training of one’s mind and a maturing of the personality. Since it can never be known or comprehended except by direct experience, one should not concern oneself with looking for Nirvana per se, but rather one should seek to abolish selfishness from his own personality, and this is a rewarding endeavour regardless of whether or not the highest goal is reached. Said the Buddha:

“Liberated, the wise are indifferent to the senses, and have no need to seek anything; passionless they are beyond pleasure and displeasure.”

Kit H (173)
Monday August 2, 2010, 1:42 pm
Lao-tzu the author of TaoTeChing, his teaching is about the same.

Kit H (173)
Tuesday August 3, 2010, 5:32 am
Please sign Petition to prevention Mass Extinction:

Mary S (12)
Tuesday August 3, 2010, 5:45 am
For what it is worth, I find it difficult to believe that the human species will become extinct in such a short time. We will certainly see many dramatic changes, some leading to a huge loss of life in many places but total extinction, while inevitable will not happen so soon. Our individual will to survive combined with our creativity will keep at least some people going for a long time yet. Is that good or bad? Each of us must decide for ourselves and try to make the very best of each day we have.

Kit H (173)
Tuesday August 3, 2010, 1:49 pm
We cannot afford to more human population growth, please sign:


French into English:
Considering that 300 000 to 500 000 women die each year due to pregnancies which are too precocious, contiguous profuse or procrastinate.

Considering that the mastering of demographic growth constitutes an essential condition for the creation of an harmonious society and a durable world, more respectful of the environment.

Considering that, according to the UNFPA (United Nation Population Fund), the coverage of the financial needs for the contraception in the world would allow
- to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies from 75 to 22 million,
- to reduce the number of abortions from 45 million to 14 million,
- and consequently to reduce the number unwanted births by 22 million, making them go from 30 million to 8 million.

I approve of the proposition made by UNFPA:

“The total financing of family planning services and all contraceptive products in view of a health policy and rights in matters of reproduction, and seeing to it that poor income doesn’t limit access in any way.”

Petition proposed by the association Démographie Responsable (Responsible Demography)

Ralph S (0)
Tuesday August 3, 2010, 3:53 pm
Louis, are you for real? You seem to preach an ecological enlightenment based on cosmology and self-improvement! Yet, you drive a Hummer which shows a pure ostentatious existence! You seem to call yourself Dr. Turi, but that title was not from any university of higher learning! You debunk Dr. Fenner but only with hand waving, showing your own ignorance of the Scientific Method! You believe in Astrology vaguely based on Nostradamus and seem to be a zealot! In fact, you should be totally ignored by mankind! Warning signs need to be posted!

Louis Turi (1)
Tuesday August 3, 2010, 4:30 pm
Yes you have to lean that there is a big difference between education and intelligence, isn't the results that count? May I suggest you to do some investigation before assuming anything? Would million of people watching my TV/radio shows wrong to trust me if I was a " zealot" - Honor the word "science" first by investigating my claims -
Educate yourself -

SuS NoMail Plez P (244)
Wednesday August 4, 2010, 4:43 pm
Oh how delighted I am to come and see how many wonderful ideas and SO MANY POSITIVE POSTS. I am humbled to add anything other than one thing. YES, this is the longest noted thread I have ever read as well~quite possibly one of the most important articles I have ever had the privledge to hear so many appreciated ideas. Thank you Kit~ and Gregory~ and so many others!

Louis Turi (1)
Wednesday August 4, 2010, 5:20 pm
there is NO end of the world - there is a big difference between education and intelligence...“Piling Higher and Deeper” never proved anything - Read more about the the "end of the world" and scientific community From -

Mima M (244)
Thursday August 5, 2010, 12:42 pm

Kit H (173)
Thursday August 5, 2010, 1:39 pm
John Gossop, farmer and author of Famine in the West, explains why food prices are rising and why there will soon be food shortages even in developed countries. Peak Food, oil and gas shortages, climate change, increasing world population with millions in Asia eating more meat so needing more land per person when there is less, water shortages, competition from ethenol and biomass, falling fish stocks and crop land losses are all threats to food security. By Peakfood1.
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