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Ormus - the Secret Alchemy of Mary Magdalene - the World's Best Kept Secret


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Scott
- 3443 days ago - ormus.org
ORMUS (or ORMEs) is, perhaps, THE single-most interesting and coveted material found in both, the modern and ancient world.ORMUS is directly related to the Quest for the Holy Grail, The Last Supper of Jesus Christ.



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Scott Shaubel (816)
Friday July 11, 2008, 8:00 am

The phenomenon that surrounds the ORMUS elements is not a modern
fiction. Although, it may be true that we have certain difficulties in
quantifying and qualifying the ORMEs/ORMUS elements, due to deficiencies
in our modern equipment, the fact is that ORMUS is a reality. It is a tangible
element that you can hold in your hand and is an eminent force that demands
our attention. The ORMUS elements are as real as rain, sunshine, the rocks in
the rivers and the leaves on trees. However, in order to understand the elusive
nature of ORMUS in a modern context it also becomes us to investigate its
effect on humanities historical and religious development.
When viewed in this light, we must be aware that humanities broad
spectrum of both historical experience and interpretation of religion can leave us
bewildered, even in the best of times. When we attempt to discuss these histories
and the endless varieties of religious interpretation, no matter how carefully
we tiptoe around the issues, there will inevitably be those, whose religious or
dogmatic sensibilities are offended. In the worst of cases there will be a call
to arms, wars will break out in diverse places and acts of genocide all-to-often
ensue soon thereafter.
Therefore dear reader, we implore you, as you read through this Book of
ORMUS, please, bear in mind that whatever your predisposition to religious
or spiritual issues might be- fear and hatred can only lead to suffering and
therefore it is the writers humble request that we all agree, well in advance, that
if this book should lead to a difference of opinions among us, that we will all
make a sincere effort to “~disagree, in an agreeable manner.”

In short:

“Pray for Peace; feel good and do no harm.”
 

Scott Shaubel (816)
Friday July 11, 2008, 8:12 am

Save the World, From CERN..Smashing Protons Together Produce a Black Hole or Something Else That Will Spell the End of the Earth
 

Scott Shaubel (816)
Friday July 11, 2008, 10:14 am

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Aletta Kraan (146)
Friday July 11, 2008, 3:40 pm
Noted , thanks .
 

Ski M (4)
Friday July 11, 2008, 3:42 pm
CERN, nuclear physics may sound very frightening but until we can understand subatomic particles we can never work towards a vinfied theory. The mathemetics behind sub atomic particles is absolutly fascinating, light can be both paricle and wave, but will not display one aspect or the other until it is experimented on. There was a time when scientists were persecuted for suggesting the Earth was sperical or that the sun was the at the centre of the solar system. Now we know these are true facts. CERN was working on similar experiments until recently but was closed to be redesigned from the research already undertaken so that a more effective accelerator could be designed. Scientists are also studying particles, emmited from the Sun that pass through us and the Earth, they work underground in labs off a deep coal mine. Science can seem strange and frightening but it is the application oof science that must be more carefully concidered. We thank Rutherford for his development of atomic theory so that we can have cancer treatment, but that does not mean we blame Einstein for the treat of atomic war. DNA studies have allowed us to go on with the human genome project but it isthe application of that scientific discovery that makes us worry about animal and plant species genes being mixed and genetically engineered crops.
 

Darlene K (356)
Saturday July 12, 2008, 6:38 pm
Ski, your reply explains very well "why" Science wants to know these wonderful aspects of Life and Truth of it, that is "how" science must validate anything it believes, with evidence. However, there are many of use who don't need science to validate "how quantum mechanics" works with both particles and waves actually being the true state of any energy or light field, and not just particles. The Unified Field Theory is already understood by many, and science has known of this theory for at least 50 years.

CERN, in my humble opinion, is not necessary. Many ancient cultures have Long understood the Unified Field Theory as All is of Consciousness. It is the Western world that has been veiled from Truth. Many of these brilliant scientists have gone to these cultures and worked with shamans, abbots, Tibetan monks and more to understand how they have these healing abilities from such a connection with "mind and matter."

Science in the wrong hands is very lethal, science created the various nuclear weapons that can destroy the world, along with creating nuclear power for presummed "other good" reasons. There are much more studies and experiments they have done with DNA...., and NOT for the greater good. You have no clue to the full spectrum of all experiements and studies, which include many Black Ops and Secret Projects through NASA and other Intelligence Agencies, in this nation. Just a fraction that I have found to be true, tells me, that you have unknowlingly bought into the illusion they have been trying to program us in for centuries.

I tend to wonder, if this planet would be so polluted, if we didn't gain all this advance techonology, and remain a more simpliar population of people.
 

Pedro Alves (88)
Sunday July 13, 2008, 5:01 am
For God's sake!
The accelerator CANNOT create a black hole.
There is not enough mass for that!
And to say that the UFT is well known for at least 50 years?!
So what do you know about it?
Are you able to write a single sentence?
:S
And to say that Ancient Cultures know it?!
Shamans and Tibetan monks?!
What?!
:S
God...

I'm sorry Scott but Ormus is an obvious hoax.
How would that bloke find out about "the world's most kept secret?!"
That's an oxymoron!
Was he initiated?
Naaa...

Is hw a scholar?
Naaa...
"Therefore, no attempt has been made to provide academic references and bibliographies;
however, the author asserts that wherever facts have been presented, references and bibliographies are available, upon request, to the serious enquirer."

Yeah, right...
There aren't any academic references to support his claims it is as simply as that.
No wonder he had to create his own publisher to publish such falsehoods.

The guy knows nothing about History.
Unfortunately, this ignorance is quite typical of North American Authors.
I'm from the Mediterranean Region and what he wrote is completely stupid.
He clearly hasn't a clue of MY HISTORY AND MY CULTURE.

He doesn't know Christianity's History.
He has no idea of what the Templars were and which was the ONLY country that didn't extinguish them - Portugal by the way.
If Ormus existed Portugal would be its bearer.
But, there isn't such a thing.

To confound the desert's manna - a plant existing, at the time, on the Sinai Desert - or the Holy Communion's unleavened wheat bread with that rubbish so-called Ormus?

How can anyone take that book seriously is beyond me...
 

CHIEF DUBIE (213)
Sunday July 13, 2008, 7:52 am
When I was studying to become a J.W.,I was telling my family that Santa Claus did not exist, and right then Santa came around the corner!!! Truth or lie? but he did exist!!! IF only by imitation, the legend lives on, of handed down fables or myths!!! Scott, your critics say that your story has no accreditation, unless your "initiated"!!! As if only man has the knowledge of God!!! Like these "initiated"/ enlightened one's did not get any of their info. from the Ancients that you mentioned!!! In the Bible, adam was commanded not to partake of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, WHY??? How many people/ books would it take to contain the knowledge of the ALL??? Therefore Adam, was but an ATOM, that was split into +/=/-, positive, negative, neutral/ male, female, spirit!!! 12 tribes/ spokes of light, 12 opinions/ points of view!!! There are those initiated by man (knowledge) by women (intuition) and some by drugs (spirit)!!! Why do you think that drugs (alkaloids/ living Chrystal's) are illegal??? There were 2 seeds planted in the garden, the children of the head and the children of the heart!!! The universities, are the children of the head, whose purpose, is to create UNIVERSAL CITY (Isiah 14:12-14) The Hippies/ Heathens, are the children of the heart!!! If we cannot put the circle of the 12 together, to build a foot stool for his kingdom, and honor the millennial sabbath, the war between heaven and earth will start!!! PREPARE!!!
 

Janet Pearson (8)
Sunday July 13, 2008, 10:58 am
Pedro Alves, if you haven't already noticed, Scott S enjoys posting crackpot theories floating around on the web and calling them ancient and hidden knowledge. People asking for objective rational facts or proof are told they have been fooled by the masters of the world or other conspiracy nicknames. I think he likes the attention.
 

Pedro Alves (88)
Monday July 14, 2008, 3:46 am
Hi Chief.
Don't you konw "santa claus" is a marketing creation for Coca-Cola?
Whn I said initiated I meant the following:
if a secret is only available for the initiated howcome there is an outsider who knows about it?
It's a contradiction!
I'm always amazed how people do not want to think clearly and logically.

Scott, as I told you, I belong to the Mediteranean Culture and we don't have the record of all those allegations!
Can you give me just a single explanation able to show how a North American Anglo-Saxon can know the secrets of my own culture better than ourselves?!

Yes Janet... I have noticed...
But this time I ahd to say something...
 

Darlene K (356)
Monday July 14, 2008, 12:55 pm
Pedro, it usually is much more respectful to "agree to disagree", instead of insulting another activist's post that you don't like or agree with. Another thing...., the scientist themselves have admitted that this wonderful experiment WILL CREATE BLACK HOLES, but they will be very small and nothing to worry about..., so I am not sure where, YOU ARE GETTING YOUR information from...

Scott DOESN'T post crackpot theories..., and insulting a poster isn't addressing the post, which is what the rules imply on Care2, for obvious reasons. My goodness, we are adults. I hope you flagged her Scott.
 

Pedro Alves (88)
Tuesday July 15, 2008, 4:33 am
Hi Dar.
When I want to know what is going on in the scientific realm I usually read Scientific Journals and not newspapers, which are completely unable to write about science.

I find your comment very interesting since you stated there's no problem with CERN's experiments.

Well, this is what Scott posted a little bit above you:

"Save the World, From CERN..Smashing Protons Together Produce a Black Hole or Something Else That Will Spell the End of the Earth".

Meaning, you need to tell that to him not me...

Anyway, I would like to know where did you read that "black hole" thing inside of CERN's accelerator.
I only found that written by journalists and not scientists.
Can you give me a single reference from a Peer Reviewd Scientific Journal stating that?

I'm sorry but your comments seem to show you don't even know that a Black Hole is a collapsed star which had 3 times (or more) the mass of our Sun.

Why don't you read REAL SCIENTIFIC TEXTS for a change?
Why don't you go to CERN's website to read what they say about the issue?

LHC and black holes?
Hugely interesting? Scary? Whatever your personal approach to the unexplored is, two things are 100% sure:
the creation of black holes at the LHC is very unlikely
if black holes will be created, they will be "quantum" black holes, that can NOT harm the Earth

The LHC CANNOT create the type of black holes we see in the sky as a result of the collapse of stars that run out of fuel. This is because the energy required to do that is 10 million billion times (1016) larger than the energy available at the LHC. The black holes that are under discussion are objects that could only appear if some hypothetical theory is realised in nature.

CERN's scientits even go as further as dealing this silly issue with humour:

I remain skeptical. Is there anything else that could reassure me?

Yes. The most important thing perhaps is that, like you, WE CERN’s SCIENTISTS ALSO HAVE FAMILIES, PARENTS, CHILDREN, AND FRIENDS.
THERE IS NO WAY THAT WE'D PUT THEIR LIVES AT RISK.
And we are not talking about accepting "small chances", like 1 in 50 million or whatever.
We are talking about wanting to be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT ABSOLUTELY NOTHING CAN HAPPEN.

http://askanexpert.web.cern.ch/AskAnExpert/en/Accelerators/LHCblackholes-en.html#2

So Dar, which scientists said what you stated?
 

Darlene K (356)
Tuesday July 15, 2008, 5:26 pm
Okay Pedro, I will waste my time and energy on this.., even though there are much more important causes for me to deal with, but you seem to think that you are the only one that has the ability to gain knowledge. The LHC is the brainchild of the world's some 6,000 Top Scientists. There are many of them talking of statistics and what results this machine is meant for, and is capable of...., with "limited" information. NO one knows ALL the truth, of this beast. AND IF THAT IS YOUR SOURCE...ASK AN EXPERT..PLEASE.....

This site,
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/LHC-en.html
Gives you some very good facts that you can verify with any reputable science journal or university.

The Large Hadron Collider
Our understanding of the Universe is about to change...
The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is a gigantic scientific instrument near Geneva, where it spans the border between Switzerland and France about 100 m underground. It is a particle accelerator used by physicists to study the smallest known particles – the fundamental building blocks of all things. It will revolutionise our understanding, from the miniscule world deep within atoms to the vastness of the Universe.

Two beams of subatomic particles called 'hadrons' – either protons or lead ions – will travel in opposite directions inside the circular accelerator, gaining energy with every lap. Physicists will use the LHC to recreate the conditions just after the Big Bang, by colliding the two beams head-on at very high energy. Teams of physicists from around the world will analyse the particles created in the collisions using special detectors in a number of experiments dedicated to the LHC.

There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions, but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator, as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe. For decades, the Standard Model of particle physics has served physicists well as a means of understanding the fundamental laws of Nature, but it does not tell the whole story. Only experimental data using the higher energies reached by the LHC can push knowledge forward, challenging those who seek confirmation of established knowledge, and those who dare to dream beyond the paradigm.


Facts and figures
The largest machine in the world...
The precise circumference of the LHC accelerator is 26 659 m, with a total of 9300 magnets inside. Not only is the LHC the world’s largest particle accelerator, just one-eighth of its cryogenic distribution system would qualify as the world’s largest fridge. All the magnets will be pre‑cooled to -193.2°C (80 K) using 10 080 tonnes of liquid nitrogen, before they are filled with nearly 60 tonnes of liquid helium to bring them down to -271.3°C (1.9 K).

The fastest racetrack on the planet...
At full power, trillions of protons will race around the LHC accelerator ring 11 245 times a second, travelling at 99.99% the speed of light. Two beams of protons will each travel at a maximum energy of 7 TeV (tera-electronvolt), corresponding to head-to-head collisions of 14 TeV. Altogether some 600 million collisions will take place every second.

The emptiest space in the Solar System...
To avoid colliding with gas molecules inside the accelerator, the beams of particles travel in an ultra-high vacuum – a cavity as empty as interplanetary space. The internal pressure of the LHC is 10-13 atm, ten times less than the pressure on the Moon!

The hottest spots in the galaxy, but even colder than outer space...
The LHC is a machine of extreme hot and cold. When two beams of protons collide, they will generate temperatures more than 100 000 times hotter than the heart of the Sun, concentrated within a minuscule space. By contrast, the 'cryogenic distribution system', which circulates superfluid helium around the accelerator ring, keeps the LHC at a super cool temperature of -271.3°C (1.9 K) – even colder than outer space!

The biggest and most sophisticated detectors ever built...
To sample and record the results of up to 600 million proton collisions per second, physicists and engineers have built gargantuan devices that measure particles with micron precision. The LHC's detectors have sophisticated electronic trigger systems that precisely measure the passage time of a particle to accuracies in the region of a few billionths of a second. The trigger system also registers the location of the particles to millionths of a metre. This incredibly quick and precise response is essential for ensuring that the particle recorded in successive layers of a detector is one and the same.

The most powerful supercomputer system in the world...
The data recorded by each of the big experiments at the LHC will fill around 100 000 dual layer DVDs every year. To allow the thousands of scientists scattered around the globe to collaborate on the analysis over the next 15 years (the estimated lifetime of the LHC), tens of thousands of computers located around the world are being harnessed in a distributed computing network called the Grid.



September 2007
It's one of the great unanswered questions of science. What gives matter its mass? By generating conditions present moments after the big bang, scientists hope to locate the elusive 'God Particle'. "This is going to take us to the next layer of understanding", enthuses Prof Geoff Taylor. The Hadron Collider at CERN, due to be switched on next year, will shoot beams of energy around a 27 km loop, smashing them into each other at the speed of light. It's all in the hope of detecting the Higgs Boson, or 'God' particle, thought to give matter its mass. CERN scientists will also create mini black holes and search for dark matter. As Taylor states: "We are on the verge of discovering how our universe evolved from the first few fractions of a second."
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Now, I would like to add, that Dr Geoff Taylor who is the head of Physics at Melbourne University is a Key Contributor to the LHC project. Peter Jenni is the Head of the Atlas Project, which is the Giant Detector at the Heart of the project and in built undergound in a six story deep construction pit filled with the world's largest magnets. Also, Dr Allan Clark of the Universite' de Geneve has spoken of these black holes as little ones that should be of no harm. Now Peter Jenni, claims ANYTHING is possible, that is the beauty of it. "Finding something out for the first time"

WAKE-UP, Many scientists have died for the grasp to be the "one" of finding the "Golden Egg." Many have been forced to, by dark forces, and you must live in another world. Many are being misled. Just like you have been, by demanding my sources.............................

If you would like to see these men actually SAY THESE WORDS FROM THEIR MOUTHS AND NOT JUST IN PRINT. WATCH THIS TOUR WITH JOURNEYMAN, THEY DID. THIS IS JUST AN 11 MINUTE CLIP, AND SHOULD SATISFY YOU.

JOURNEYMAN .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fg16j5hbvY


This site below, will give you a true picture of this beast.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/03/god-particle/achenbach-text

I find your statements very uneducated and unfounded, that you haven't a clue what CERN or the LHC really is, what it is made of, or what it can do..., and because you have made your OWN theory up...., you have lashed out at Scott, and now me. Do more research, and clam down. Namaste, Dar
 

Darlene K (356)
Tuesday July 15, 2008, 5:30 pm
Oh and I never implied or said this...
"I find your comment very interesting since you stated there's no problem with CERN's experiments.".....lol
 

Darlene K (356)
Tuesday July 15, 2008, 5:30 pm
I say destroy the darn thing!!!
 

Pedro Alves (88)
Wednesday July 16, 2008, 9:26 am
Hi Dar

I think you didn't READ the link I gave you otherwise you would have noticed that it is from the same source as yours!
CERN!
Any doubt, READ AND COMPARE CAREFULLY because I'm putting both:
"yours":
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/LHC-en.html
"mine"
http://askanexpert.web.cern.ch/AskAnExpert/en/Accelerators/LHCblackholes-en.html#2

Are you able to read?
They have the SAME internet address extention: .WEB.CERN.CH/

Since you don't know Quantum Physics you mix completely different concepts with the same name.

Astronomical Black Holes are colapsed stars with more mass than the Chandrasekhar limit.

CERN could, eventually, create someting completely different called quantum black holes.

Is this clear?

How could anyone put a star as massive as one above the Chandrasekhar limit inside of CERN?
By the way, that's a star with 1.44 times the Sun's mass - according with the latest scientific consensus...
As far as I'm aware, one cannot trap the Sun under the Swiss border...

And to say I produced uneducated unfounded statements?!
It's obvious who doesn't know Physics.

I'm an University researcher living with university researchers and one of them is from CERN.
My neighbour is an expert in electromagnetism and he belonged to the team responsible for the magnets of the accelerator!
And I don't know CERN?!
Right!
How close to CERN are you?!
Are you an University researcher of any area?!

About your statement...
Here it is:
"Another thing...., the scientist themselves have admitted that this wonderful experiment WILL CREATE BLACK HOLES, but they WILL BE VERY SMALL AND NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT...

If there's "nothing to worry about" (your words) then
"there's no problem with CERN's experiments" (mine).
The expressions are synonymous.

Maybe I should ask if your English is as bad as your Physics...

PS By now you should have noticed that when you wrote "lol" you laughed of your own ignorance.
 

Pedro Alves (88)
Wednesday July 16, 2008, 9:28 am
Ohh!
I forgot to tell...
Nice pasting service you did!

But one thing is to paste.
Another is to know...
 

Darlene K (356)
Thursday July 17, 2008, 12:33 am
Thank you for the compliment that is why I listed the link so you could verify it...(wow), and your insults can be saved for your own entertainment. You are blinded by your ego, that even when I provided your scientists in video, too to your question "So Dar, which scientists said what you stated?"..., doesn't bring you to a point of being of a reasonable being in mind or soul, at this time. I can't control your thoughts, words, nor your actions.., dear one..., I can only control my own, heh. If you want to put yourself on this pedistal of some knowledge, then do it for your pleasure of illusion. I can't stop you...lol. You may agrue with yourself. Many wise and ancient people know this to be true.., to insult another is just reflecting YOUR weaknesses. I must giggle that you just sounded repititious in your reply, with no added input. I responded to you when I read your words;

"For God's sake!
The accelerator CANNOT create a black hole."

And I addressed YOU, to let you know, that you were wrong..., and I have shown you that you are wrong. However, I am not surprised that you won't accept it...lol. Then you embarass yourself more by stating we have the same link, and if true then YOU ALREADY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THE TRUTH...LOLOLOL. Ignorance is in response to denial.., and I think that you fit those shoes, when I you put those words of yours to those scientists quotes..heh. It is okay, come on down a notch, you are human, and can make mistakes..lol.
 

Pedro Alves (88)
Friday July 18, 2008, 2:15 am
The accelerator cannot create a black hole.
Exactly.
The definition I'm using is the common definition, meaning a black hole create by a collapsed star with a mass superior to the Chandrasekhar limit.

As I showed:
you clearly don't know what is a black hole;
you don't understand Physics;
you don't understand the Scientific Method;
you know nothing about Epistemology;
you didn't noticed I had used CERN's information from their website;
you don't understand what is a LHC;
you aren't able to recognise you did write there was nothing to worry about CERN - ie, you don't even know what you write;
you offended thousands of scientists.

You wrote:
Tuesday July 15, 2008, 5:30 pm
I say destroy the darn thing!!!

Definition of Darn
adjective

So annoying or detestable as to deserve condemnation: accursed, blasted, blessed, bloody, confounded, cursed, damn, execrable, infernal. Informal blamed, damned. Chiefly British blooming, ruddy.

And then I'm the one who offends?
Right...
 

Darlene K (356)
Wednesday July 23, 2008, 11:19 pm
Pedro, at this point, I agree with the sources, who include physicists and scientists that I gave you who say it will create very small black holes, and I don't just stroll around on news links telling others "what they don't know"........

Like I said in my last response, you are arguing with yourself at this point and the science community, and telling me,..lol.., all that I don't know..., a mystic.., you now are..heh.

 

Raffi LidoRoiz (301)
Thursday August 27, 2009, 12:39 am
A year and some later-it seems that some mystical force has seen to the disabling of CERN-thanks Scott-it will be amusing to see CERN stumbling all over itself to explain what befalls it next but I suspect it will be karma with a little visit from ORMUS itself to snuff out its endeavours.
 

Thrand G. (0)
Friday March 25, 2011, 10:27 am
This is Thrand!!!

Every thing in theory is made from subatomic black holes they just have a limited amount of spacial references.The Black hole Theory that is being argued about would have numerous references to other things in space All the points of reference from the subatomic ones become one gigantic atomic particle in space creating extreme gravity due to so many points of reference the intense gravity is the same as atomic attraction . A black hole is the theory on infinite mass creating gravity till it collapses on it self.This not entirely true and what else could we expect from monkeys that call them selves humans. The reason things fall towards large communities of atomic particles such as planets is they are not entirely solid like we observe as the matter theory.There are points of reference in space that go complete through them and all the points of reference are not all going to one point. There for no infinite mass. Things fall because there is more space above than below. Space is like spacial/ temporal pressure it contracts a certain rate it expands due to how many points break or release it Which is known as energy and creates movement.Light or the photon has one point of reference and is more space or a ripple have you moving through it self. It has one point of reference to another unless there is curved space around larger groupings of atoms such as stars,planets ect. Although curved space is an illusion. Subatomic Black holes/particles will orbit them selves but will not combine yet they are attacked to each.Time/space/energy can only compress at a certain rate and and can not be come infinitesimal at that point it expands again or transfers energy to more points of reference. Space is expanding as we speak in all directions.The expanding continues as points of reference move though it and change. It all started due to laws of sound and thermal dynamics this comes from space it self the great Void yet it is not empty.This also describes a giant supercomputer as you would call were nothing really moves as we see it :P

Although every thing is made out of consciousness any way and observation. Meaning what ever they expect to find at the subatomic level from this Supercollider and the highest probability that will relate to what they all ready have set in place as their facts will be what they will find. Many unknown things are not real yet or do not exist so they will get what they expect so to speak because they were not really necessary to be know. Meaning hope they do not create something bad or work them selves into a corner again I would laugh :P

As for the ORMUS . It is a Snake Oil made from all these complicated methods and I have no Idea what these people are selling. The Ancient Sumerian brew or beers is were the altered states of conscious came from to create man kind as we know it and I suspect all the Special properties which you seek come from different microbes that happen in Wild Fermentation brewing which we no longer do due Corporate and Capitalism money making.They had a great campaign involving the church and early Business men to wipe out ancient style ales and alewives Turing them into the myth of green hags and witches.They wanted to control what could be put in the brews how they were made and who could make them (obviously they didn't want women to make more money than men selling the Ales every one wanted and various other products like Soap especially wile the church worked so hard to empower the man over them). They did this to make money and for a few other reasons as well. The old text sate the original wild ferments give all the abilities you seek and are a higher form of technology than we use at the current time.

These are the words of Thrand hope they help, don't trust the words of Trolls :P
 
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