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Idaho Observer Found All Kinds of Germs (and Sedatives) in Fallout From Recent Chemtrails, Including Uranium and Anthrax.


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Are our brains WiFi-ed,Are our all our thoughts and feelings really self-generated,Why is the whole world breathing microwave, radio, EMF, and ELF transmitters and receivers,The fibers copy DNA. Sufferers are reporting that their hair is not their hair.



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Scott Shaubel (816)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 7:07 am

Hey, Folks! You do know you are being sprayed with a weapon, don't you? Lookup; watch the skies. I have noticed the constant spray planes since 1997.


Electricity moving thru a gas plasma will form a twisted, Birkeland current.
Alpine, Tx. 2006


The Air Force Wants Your LOV: Aerial Seeding of Biological Implants into Food, Water, & Air


"LOV" is Air Force for "locus of values." The implants are referred to as "biosensors."



The Air Force has been telling enquiring Congress People that they are only spraying "radar chaff." Well . . . . The Air Force & National Institutes of Health Funded Self-Replicating, Organic/Inorganic, Nanoscale -- Macro-scale, Silica/Spider Silk/Polymer Advanced Materials That Can Be Used for Anything from Radar Chaff to Nano Fibers to Biosensors. Used to make fibers, foams, gels, films, or crystals.



They can put almost any biological thing -- drug, germ, antibody, hormone, gene, etc. into these advanced, nano materials. These advanced, nano materials can be used for microelectronic devices. The patents also talk about a crystalization process that can happen in vivo -- after implantation.
Let's Call These . . . Radar Chaff #1 & Radar Chaff #2



"It was demonstrated that the functional recombinant silks exhibit an ability to promote the nucleation of hydroxyapatite. The functional recombinant silks (silk fusion proteins) of the present invention have potential application in biomaterials, tissue engineering, advanced material composites and biosensors."


Boy, that is some all-purpose, radar chaff. The Above Radar Chaff Patents Use Silk Fibroin Farmed from the Milk from the Army's Transgenic, Spider Goats.



Who is investigating Morgellons? The National Institutes of Health and The Army Institute of Pathology are investigating; but they own nanotechnology patents, and still can't seem to recognize nanotechnology when they see it.



Are we paranoid to be worried about Frankenstein Science? Scientists farm the silk fibroin from the milk of the transgenic, spider goats. What if the spider or the goats have a parasite or weird germ? Could the parasite or germ replicate due to being further incorporated into an organic/inorganic, self-replicating advanced material?
Hey, this Frankensilk can promote a mineral to grow -- what else? Time will tell.

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Are we breathing DNA-copying nano-receivers? Can these receivers be used as biowarfare weapons, disease frequency weapons, genetic weapons, or for mind control? All of the above? Are the ideas that chemtrails are solely weather control or only a global warming sunscreen just a bit too convenient? Were these nano-warfare machines purposefully released or just a big, boo-boo? Now, it appears that the Dept. of Defense "is poised" to begin open-air testing of germs over America (again) right when the environment is covered with machines that can copy those germs they will be spraying. How many people who run the Pentagon own stocks in pharmaceutical companies? Rumfield and Tamiflu is one example. Hmmmm.

Why so many heavy metals in the chemtrail spray? Listen to this great interview with Bill Gallagher (luxefaire.com) from Gina Romano, UK Studio. Bill does a great job of explaining how chemtrails turn the human body into a very effective radio antenna. He explains how sprayed antenna (chemtrail plumes) can be used to create ionized gas and steerable, plasma mirrors for mobile units to skip transmissions off of to a targeted person on the ground. He also explains the cell phone towers/chemtrail connection in creating a constant field that effects our bodies and brains.



HAARP, Chemtrails, Weather Modification & Mind Control @ Yahoo! Video

The ultimate goal of the chemtrail fiber infestation of humans? Mind control and genetically created biowarfare. The chemtrail/Morgellons fibers copy the DNA of bacteria, fungi, viruses, etc. that may be present in your body. The Idaho Observer found all kinds of germs (and sedatives) in the fallout from some recent chemtrails, including uranium and anthrax. Listen to the latest audio interview of Dr. Staninger and Dr. Castle at rense.com where they confirm that the ultimate purpose of chemtrails is mind control and genetic biowarfare and that possibly one million to 20 million people may have Morgellons fibers in their bodies. LINK to interview #11 (scroll down to "Chemtrail/Morgellons" section) and latest results from the comparision of chemtrail fibers from Texas and Italy (yeah, they match). Finally, the research on chemtrails, Morgellons, and directed energy attacks on people come together. HERE a scientist talks about how the application of spider-web-like nanowires in the brain would work and the time the NSA came by to see his research.

Are our brains WiFi-ed? Are our all our thoughts and feelings really self-generated? Why is the whole world breathing microwave, radio, EMF, and ELF transmitters and receivers? Is a barium mix sprayed over our houses much like an x-ray barium drink so they can look into your bedrooms with technology that is " capable of day and night observation, which can 'see' through weather, smoke, sand storms, forest canopies, most buildings and underground tunnels, with extremely fine spatial and spectral resolution . . . ."

electromagneticsurveillance.blogspot.com -- borrowed under
the Free Use Act

taken with an infrared-sensitive camera -- how to make a cheap one

Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Defense Viewpoint, December 1, 1998


"One can envision the development of electromagnetic energy sources, the output of which can be pulsed, shaped, and focused, that can couple with the human body in a fashion that will allow one to prevent voluntary muscular movements, control emotions (and thus actions), produce sleep, transmit suggestions, interfere with both short-term and long-term memory, produce an experience set, and delete an experience set. It would also appear possible to create high fidelity speech in the human body, raising the possibility of covert suggestion and psychological direction...Thus, it may be possible to 'talk' to selected adversaries in a fashion that would be most disturbing to them."


Special Broadcasts #7 & #11 have some of the best data:
Morgellons/Chemtrail Fibers Are Nanomachines
& Receive/Transmit Microwave, Radio, ELF, etc.

mp3 (rense.com)

Lab Report for Broadcast #7

Morgellons Broadcast #12 with Jan Smith and Cliff Mickelson
"Morgellons Disease -- Living with a Nightmare"
by Jan Smith with incredible photos of fibers & other Morgellons oddities that are growing in people

See These Vids of Mystery Nanomachines that Came from the Body of a Morgellons Victim


thegreema1 Channel


chaosonline7 Channel

This Vid Shows the Scale of the Mystery Nanomachine






YouTube videos of Interviews with Dr. Staninger


These Morgellons nanowires receive microwaves, radio, and ELF. Chemtrail fibers submitted by Dr. Mike Castle, a high density polyethylene expert, were determined to be the same nanowire machines submitted by Morgellons sufferers to Dr. Staninger, an environmental toxicologist. MIT was one of the labs that identified these fibers as nanowires. According to Dr. Castle, they spray in every country except China and sub-Sahara Africa. But, it is known that China has Morgellons victims.

Morgellons sufferers report that one might not feel these implants until they are "switched on," i.e.. remotely accessed. The fibers copy DNA. Sufferers are reporting that "their hair is not their hair." A sample of hair was sent to these labs; it was determined to be pseudo hair. The fiber material can create chimeric, pseudo-life forms that are often insect-like. The fibers can not only receive, but broadcast frequencies to create these life forms and possibly disease.

Whether these fibers are involved in the transmissions from psychotronic, resonance weapons is not known, but the fibers can be classed definitely as an exotic weapon. ExoticWarfare.com has been referring to these fibers as "signal fibers," and we think this is somewhat of an accurate though limited term for them. They may epitomize the state of the art of genetic warfare and disease-frequency warfare. The nano-machines can copy DNA. DNA restrictor enzymes have been found in the chemtrail fallout.


A communicable nanotechnology invasion of human tissues in the form of self-assembling, self-replicating nanotubes, nanowires, nanoarrays with sensors, and other nano configurations, some carrying genetically-altered and spliced DNA/RNA. These nano machines thrive in extreme alkaline ph conditions and use the body's bio-electric energy and other (unidentified) elements for power. (People should *not* strive for an acidic ph - they should work for a normal pH of 7.5 +/-). There is some evidence these tiny machines possess their own internal batteries. They are also believed to be able to receive specific tuned microwave, EMF and ELF signals and information. ("Morgellons Defined," rense.com, April 5, 2007)






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The fibers that were tested self-assemble, self-generate, and are self-motile. They can operate as a network. The fibers can communicate with each other. It is not clear how much of the movement seen in these fibers is due to resonance from electromagnetic energies. Many people who are victims of electromagnetic torture are also suffering from Morgellons disease. Even people with no outward manifestation of the Morgellons skin disease, can have the nano-machines in their bodies. Some of the major symptoms are sensations of pinpricks, crawling things under the skin, or feelings of being bitten by many bugs.

Morgellons seems to infest people more easily when their immune systems are not strong. Do you think the immune systems of people living on today's, toxic earth are compromised?

Bees navigate due to radio energies. Are the Morgellons nanowire receivers that are in the environment interfering with the navigation abilities of the bees? ExoticWarfare is asking a lot of valid questions, and wants you to think for yourselves.




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Kathy W (299)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 7:22 am
Just the other day my husband and I were driving somewhere here in southeast Michigan and we noticed the "weird clouds" overhead! The sky looked exactly like it does in the picture on your post! Except there were more of them!! Got me nervous now Scott.
 

Scott Shaubel (816)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 8:18 am

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If anyone thinks this is not real,.. get a NEW Fine Tooth Comb, scrape your scalp fairly hard, especially at the back of your head, and above, and behind your ears,. get a $15.00 lighted scope from Radio shack or anywhere(nexxtech will do), . look at the comb, under magnification, and if you see grey goo(wikipedia), with fibres, just like the pictures,.. well then You can decide for yourself if it is real. or not. :o)

. HAARP, Chemtrails, Weather Modification & Mind Control - For Believers - Please Listen To All This !

. Watch Morgellons Fibres, Grow From Shaved Head,.. Live,.. Real,.. Get God Conscious, Save Yourself, and Our Earth!

. Morgellons -Bugs Moving, Stinging or Biting, Easily Seen Insects, Arthropods, and Other Non-Human Associated Parasites,!

Aerial Seeding of Biological Implants Into Food, Water, & Air - The Air Force Wants Your LOV

Idaho Observer Found All Kinds of Germs (and Sedatives) in Fallout From Recent Chemtrails, Including Uranium and Anthrax.

Rense Morgellons Radio Specials - 15 Radio Shows on Morgellons - Only If If You Breathe,..

Morgellons Exposed - Nanotechnology Is Disabling and Killing Human Beings..Be Deemed to Be Delusional

Morgellons - Mysterious Ecto-Parasites - Alien,..Nanotechnology Is Disabling and Killing Human Beings

Scratch And Then You're a Cyborg - Morgellons Configured to Receive Specific Tuned Microwave, EMF and ELF Signals and Radio Dat


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Hanna U (53)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 9:28 am
Well, after an all too brief break from Chemtrails (I believe this was because of the high cost of gasoline - gotta be able to afford to fly those planes) we are now seeing a new variety. This one is scarier than before because they are mostly clear. You can see them, barely, but they leave a really bad haze in their wake. They also take alot longer to fall to earth than the last ones.

Oh and then get this... we have an RO system for our drinking water. We noticed a strange taste and checked out our monitor to see how many parts per million we were ingesting. It had sky rocketed from 7 parts per million to over 700 in just one day. We checked out our system and it was fine. We changed filters, etc. and still the readings were pretty high. Don't even ask about the tap water - I don't even want to take a bath now. lol.

BTW, This was all during the full-moon weekend. Both the weird chemtrails and the water issues. Personally, I think they are connected.
 

Rinie Cassteele (47)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 12:40 pm
I'll have to check if I still have it but I remember an e mail about a guy who actually scraped what dropped out of the chemtrail of some stuff and had it sent to a lab.
 

Rinie Cassteele (47)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 1:17 pm
An e-mail from 2006

From the July 2006 Idaho Observer: Chemtrails: GAO report admits "chaff"

Lab report reveals much more

Last May a family in Iowa contacted the office of Sen. Tom Harkin (D- IA) to
report the constant criss-crossing of "chemtrails" in the sky above their
neighborhood. They received back from the senator‚s office a General
Accounting Office (GAO) report on "military chaff" and the material safety
data sheet for aluminum-coated fiberglass fibers being spread˜seven days a
week for several hours each day˜in the skies above their home.

The chaff is spread by pilots learning how to mask planes or send false
radar images. It was reported that the military also has lead- based chaff,
but that it is not being used at this time. Chaff was used by the military
in Europe in WWII and, according to the GAO, had been used in training here
at home since the 50s.

Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small enough
to inhale. Though military spokespeople insist that chaff is not harmful,
the GAO report concluded that health effects are unknown and more studies
are needed.

Regardless, some members of this family are very sick. On May 23, after a
hard rain the day before, they a noticed glittering substance and a
pinkish-colored powder substance on the roof of their house. They then
noticed the glittering substance on many surfaces, even the dashboard of
the family car. Both substances were collected and sent to a lab for
analysis.

Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should
simply not be there:

6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia

9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride

26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead,mercury, silver, uranium and
zinc

4 molds and fungi

7 viruses

2 cancers

2 vaccines

2 sedatives

Over the last several months, The IO has received a significant increase in
chemtrail-related calls and letters. Most report a dramatic increase in
chemtrail "spraying" activity in their areas; some are reporting the
development of chronic flu-like symptoms, chronic fatigue and body aches
that they have never before experienced.

We intend to expound upon this subject in greater detail˜hopefully next
month.

If you are seeing the relationship between accelerated chemtrail spraying
in your area and symptoms among friends, family and members of your
community, begin writing it down and send the information to us by mail or
email. Note times, dates and specific symptoms. If you live near a military
installation, expect that you are being "sprayed." You may want to contact
your senator or rep and, politely (that is how you get the information you
are seeking) request the forwarding of any information that may be
available on the military chaff being used in your area. After obtaining
relevant documents from your rep or senator, consider using it to obtain
epidemiological data from your local health department.

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The Idaho Observer
P.O. Box 457
Spirit Lake, Idaho 83869
Phone: 208-255-2307
Email: observer@coldreams. com
Web:
http://idaho- observer. com
http://proliberty. com/observer/

 

LL A (33)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 1:56 pm
SO NOTED!

All I can say is there is not such thing a clear blue sky any more! I see the days start out clear, but-- all too soon, by about 9:30am they are lacing the sky; here in Southwest Ohio, anyway!!!! But they lace the sky at dusk as well.
 

Bronwyn H (228)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 3:23 pm
Noted. Thanks Scott. What is going on in America???
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 3:31 pm
I hate to burst anyone's conspiracy bubble here, but chemtrails don't exist. And the "weird clouds" have a perfectly natural explanation. These are just instant cloud trails formed by wingtip vortices on aircraft, condensation caused by decreases in pressure on top of the wing (how an aircraft flies to begin with), and sometimes even pressure changes caused by propeller blades.

So those who are worried when seeing these have nothing at all to worry about. Really.
 

Scott Shaubel (816)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 5:02 pm


- I have the USA patent, in the news, with the patent for spraying them, and a lot more.

...and I have live samples, viewed under an electron microscope.

.. wake up, and breathe deep, Panthera, and good luck.


 

Marcy S (73)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 5:19 pm

What conspiracy are you referring to, take your pick, or make your own definition up...

From Wikipedia:

Types of conspiracies!

Cabal, an association between religious, political, or tribal officials to further their own ends, usually by intrigue.

Conspiracy (civil)(US), agreement between persons to break the law in the future.

Conspiracy (crime)(US), agreement between persons to break the law in the future, in some cases having committed an act to further that agreement.

Conspiracy (political), a plot to overthrow a government or other power.

We don't want to think this is really happening now do we...
It's easier to disregard. When it happens to you or someone you know perhaps those who don't believe will WAKE UP and take notice.



 

Rinie Cassteele (47)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 6:50 pm
In Dutch Conspiracy is explained as "An agreement between people with malicious intentions".
So basicly any kind of agreement between people to do harm.
And basicly that describes politics for me.
A trusted politician is an oxymoron to me and anyone who trusts politicians is just a moron to me.
A wise man once said "You need to choose be a good man or a politician".
 

LL A (33)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 6:56 pm
Don't insult peoples' intelligence with your "perfectly natural explanation." Contrails and Chemtrails are two completely different things. One need only watch the sky for the differences.
 

Scott Shaubel (816)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 7:07 pm

Rinie, I choose to be a good man
.. I expose politicians daily, I don't trust any of them, they are all puppets,,

I have still have Morgelons,

I still have to breathe it in every day, and so do you.

 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 9:29 pm
> Don't insult peoples' intelligence with your "perfectly
> natural explanation."

I'm not insulting anyone's intelligence.

> Contrails and Chemtrails are two completely different things.
> One need only watch the sky for the differences.

No, they are not different things. I'm a licensed pilot and I have seen these things coming out of my own plane. They can appear in all kinds of different ways that are determined by air pressure, winds aloft, air stability, air temperature, dew point, and the angle that they reflect light at. All of them are nothing more than just contrails. Chemtrails are just a conspiracy theory.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 9:35 pm
> .. wake up, and breathe deep, Panthera, and good luck.

I do breath deep all the time. I'm a lot more worried about things that are real. Like carcinogens from second hand cigarette smoke, and dirty diesel engines.
 

Marcy S (73)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 9:47 pm
Keep on thinking that it's a conspiracy theory until your blue in the face. LOL... Denial, denial, denial... it's easier that way.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 10:04 pm
> Keep on thinking that it's a conspiracy theory until your blue
> in the face. LOL... Denial, denial, denial... it's easier that way.

I will keep on thinking that. And spend my time trying to figure out how to solve REAL problems. Like climate change, and reducing carbon footprint, and cutting down on greenhouse gas emissions, and, getting rid of real sources of carcinogens like fossil fuels and combustion based power plants.

Sorry, but these kinds of things anger me. Cause all they do is distract from the very real dangers that are harming us. By far, the biggest (and very real) threat to the World is climate change, for example.
 

Marcy S (73)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 10:23 pm
Some are still in denial... sad.
 

Chris Otahal (507)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 10:40 pm
Panthera - your wasting your time...your talking to Scott who produced a vidieo of a wood tick and then made the claims that it was a "radioactive", "robotic", tick "full of gold fibers" and that was crawling around in his barain before crawling out...he thinks that everyone will buy his "stuff" just because he says it is the "truth" (and only he knows the truth)...and unfortunately, pleople continue to buy into this garbage

and Marcy, this is the conspericy you left out:

Chemtrail conspiracy theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory

Marcy, you were in that vidieo too..are you telling us that was the truth too??
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 10:47 pm
Chris- Thanks. I just saw some of the other stuff he has posted here.
The part that amazes me I guess is that people actually note this nonsense and get it on the front page. All it is for the most part is just disjointed rambling about multiple things that don't exist and never even tie together in any logical way. Why do people note this stuff and defend what he is saying?
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 19, 2008, 11:20 pm
Btw, as far as the headline of this story. Uranium is a natural element, and it's common to find small amounts of it in soil samples. So this is really a non-story. I could take a soil sample from my back yard right now and probably find small amounts of Uranium in it.

Also, "nautral anthrax" spores can survive in soil for decades. So finding trace amounts of it in soil would not be that surprising. It's less of a problem in the United States than it is in some poorer countries around the world. But even in the United States, every once in awhile, someone gets skin anthrax from coming in contact with an infected animal that has died.

Either way, there's no need to resort to conspiracy theories to explain the presence of either one in a soil sample.


 

Marcy S (73)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 6:20 am
It amazes me that people actually think chemtrails is a conspiracy theory, but then again denial is the name of the game...


 

Chris Otahal (507)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 6:25 am
It not amazing - it called education. Read...

You never answered the question - was that vidieo YOU WERE in telling us the "truth", or was it made up?
 

Francois B (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 7:22 am
Whose denial are we talking about ? I guess denying everything scientists think and everything governments say cannot be called denial... And this, done without insulting those scientists' intelligence, I would think... It's kinda strange that everybody who doesn't approve those conspiracy theories and every somewhat esoteric one is considered the true blind.
 

Marcy S (73)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 7:51 am

Those in denial will wake up one day... Let's hope they do anyway.
 

Chris Otahal (507)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 7:52 am
Don't you know - Scott is the ONLY ONE who knows the "truth" - and he knows ALL TRUTH - anyone who does not blindly follow his PREACHINGS is "brain dead" - all marks of a true scientist, right :)
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 7:59 am
None of this matters anyway. Cause we all know the Lard Hadron Collider is going to destroy the Earth next month when it starts up for the first time and creates a black hole that swallows the planet. ;)

Sorry. I shouldn't encourage him probably.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 8:00 am
The Large Hadron Collider even. What a typo that was. :)
 

Francois B (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 8:03 am
We cannot all die next month since our DNA is supposed to unfold because of some alien vibration thing in 2012.
 

Marcy S (73)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 8:04 am
Some feel they must deny Morgellons, that is their choice, it's something that isn't going away anytime soon, you will be reading lots more on this subject whether you want to or not. This is a very deep subject that many can't accept. Dumb downed people are always available to debunk, they thrive on it.
 

Chris Otahal (507)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 8:09 am
So you are not going to even ACNOWLAGE your made up vidieo Marcy - you two were caught red handed making up stuff and you will not even admit THAT - why should we believe ANYTHING you or Scott profess as true??
 

Marcy S (73)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 8:20 am

Cannot find REALITY.SYS. Universe halted.

Smash forehead on keyboard to continue.....
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 8:22 am
Marcy, I don't deny that a medical condition called Morgellons may exist. What I deny is these outrageous, and quite frankly, ridiculous ideas are what cause it.

I'm an ecologist so I have a fair amount of biological knowledge. And these so called "nano-fibers" that he rants about that can be used as vehicles to deliver virtually any kind of virus, bacteria, chemical, or whatever else, are completely outside the realm of any kind of real science.

Many medical professionals believe Morgellons is a manifestation of delusional parasitosis. That question is still up in the air. But Scott's wild ideas and illogical connections that have no scientific basis in reality tend to lend weight to the theory that it is (assuming he really has this condition).

He's not doing any favors for those who think this condition is real. Maybe it is. But it needs to be studied inside the realm of real science, not these wild illogical and totally unconnected rantings.
 

Chris Otahal (507)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 8:26 am
Start geting the facts here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgellons

Don't believe every conspericy site and certainly don't use YOUTUBE as a source of facts LMAO!!

This is a real disease and the conspericies are doing a huge disservice to those suffering...
 

Marcy S (73)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 8:58 am
"My name is Edward Spencer MD. I have practiced Neurology in Northern California for more than thirty years. I am speaking tonight on the issue of health and nanotechnology. A very strange disorder named Morgellons disease is among us, and the world wide number of cases is approaching 20 thousand with major clusters in the Bay Area and Southern California. There now exists strong data indicating that this disorder is associated with nanotechnology, specifically nano machines in the form of nanofibers. The National Science Foundation (NSF) defines nanofibers as having at least one dimension of 100 nanometer (nm) or less. So-called Morgellons disorder presents as brain fog, fatigue and other neurological symptoms. It is associated with the presence of tiny fibers protruding from the skin, intense itching, the possible appearance of ulcerative lesions ringed by a raised crater rim, and other strange lesions. The fibers have been widely observed to move.

There is no satisfactory treatment, physicians and dermatologists are unfamiliar with this chronic disabling disorder and tend to ignore it. Patients become labeled as having Delusions of Parasitosis, and this psychiatric diagnosis is stuck to the patients by dermatologists who have not examined the skin under magnification, and who have not completed the extensive evaluation necessary to exclude all parasitic skin disorders before making a psychiatric diagnosis. Pictures of the fibers are provided in the packet and I will direct your attention to the blue fiber with the gold tip. This was removed from a patient. This fiber did not burn until it has been heated to 1700 degrees F. Compare that with hair, which is easily burned producing a characteristic odor and has a cellular structure.. The fibers are shed regularly and some grow to long lengths indicating fiber production in the human body. Dr. Janovy has stated of this blue fiber, 'it has no eukaryotic cells, it has no cell membrane, it is not a parasite, it is not biological, it is a machine.' Web article: Gold Nano Anchors Put Nanowires in Their Place is appended-http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tb2004_1110.htm Also included are microphotographs by Dr. Hildegarde Staninger of a blue Morgellons fiber removed from a patient.

Note the similarity of structure. There is evidence that Morgellons disorder(s) is carried by insect vectors, as some type of bug bite frequently precedes the onset of the disorder(s). The agent(s) producing Morgellons are in the sewer systems. Also included are photomicrographs of very strange skin lesions. Morgellons appears almost biblical in its characteristics�. like something described in Exodus.

Dr Randy Wymore of the University of Oklahoma sent fibers to the FBI. No matching fibers were found in the FBI forensic database. A contact in Naval Intelligence has recommended looking into Smart Dust. (Specks in field arrays).The National Register of Environmental Professionals has assigned a task force to look into environmental causes behind Morgellons Disorder.

I ask the Berkeley City Council to request that the University of California devote its considerable intellectual and technical resources to studying these nanofibers and this disease. Under the wise guidance of Wall Street and insurance companies, American Medicine has fallen into an amazing state of degeneracy. Medical care is unavailable for many, access is limited for most, and research money is frequently unavailable except from major drug companies. Using technical terms, American Medicine is in the toilet. The response of the CDC has been lethargic to the point of being alarming. A simple electronic microscope such as you see here allows inspection of the skin at 50x to 400x and allows the clinician to document the existence of fibers. Eyeballs at two feet won't do it, and simple equipment like this should be available in the UC Clinics. And, of course, we need methods of treatment. This concludes my brief bedtime story. I will be pleased to provide further information as it becomes available. Respectfully Ed Spencer MD."
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 9:19 am
Marcy,

What happened to the chemtrails being the cause? Or secret government experiments involving using the nanofibers as delivery vehicles for any kind of virus or bacteria they want?

Insects can cause lots of diseases... Without need the help of government conspiracies to do so.

Please note that Dr. Wymore is not on record anywhere as having stated that chemtrails, or secret experiments using nanofibers as vehicles to deliver pathogens to people (or mind control substances) to people, have any role to play here at all.
 

Chris Otahal (507)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 9:24 am
Heck - even Scott just posted (yet another of the news spam) an article indicating NATURAL causes:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/185341883/852792

 

Scott Shaubel (816)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 9:25 am

Hey Chris, Panthera,..your buddies at NASA, must be in on the conspiracy


Morgellons,NASA Physician,People With TheTICK, Borne Lyme Disease Have Symptoms of Morgellons
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 9:35 am
Scott,

This is not new news. Several doctors have noticed that people with symptoms of Morgellons often test positive for lime disease.

Now lets take a step back here and apply Occam's Razor to this shall we? The most likely thing that deserves further study here is that Lyme Disease and and Morgellons are related.

Now how do you go from that to suggesting that it is being caused by chemtrails and secret nanofiber experiments designed to infect people with viruses, parasites, and mind control drugs that secretly respond to microwaves?

I rest my case about your totally disjointed statements that have no logical connections at all.
 

Marcy S (73)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 9:41 am
Rest your case in denial, that is just fine.
 

Scott Shaubel (816)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 9:48 am

Panthera,..

- no its not news that every one has morgellons,

- the goverments of the world are taking care of everything,,

.. they know all about morgellons, just like you,..

perhaps you can explain to everyone, how Morgellons, came about, how it is spread, how it is cured, that would be good..

I would like you to explain it, as I have no clue,

Please explain everything about Morgellons, Panthera,..you have the floor





please keep showing eveyone how bright you are, Panthera,

the more comments, the more publicity, and I am not worried about that.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 9:48 am
Marcy. If that's the best response you can come up, then I'm going to have to assume you can't make a logical argument or produce any evidence to back up the idea that there is any government conspiracy involved here. Especially when modern science refutes all of these claims. You simply can't use nanofibers as vehicles to deliver "virtually any substance they want to" into the human body. And they most certainly cannot be used to "grow nanowires in people's brains that respond to microwave RF signals".

This is so far beyond the capability of modern biotechnology that it's not even really worth discussing any further.
 

Chris Otahal (507)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 9:52 am
Scott is soo afraid of being challanged he is now posting this link to all of my news - even unrelated to the subject - has SPAMMED it on over ten of my articles so far..quite childish...
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 9:56 am
Scott, I don't where Morgellons came from. I also don't know how is is spread. What I do know is that it is NOT spread through secret government nanofiber experiments and chemtrails. It might be worth looking into the tick borne theory further since as you yourself pointed out, many people with Morgellons test positive for Lyme disease. Perhaps the two are closely enough related that the Lyme disease test works to detect Morgellons? Really, these are all just ideas that need to be looked into. But they are realistic ideas that might actually help find the origin, pathology, and maybe a treatment.

But again, where do you make the jump from "tick borne illness" to "government conspiracy to get nanofibers into people... nanowires in the brain that respond to microwaves... mind control experiments...", and so on? There's no logical connection there at all.

Do you think all tick borne illnesses are caused by government conspiracies to control people's minds and whatever else you have said?
 

Chris Otahal (507)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 10:01 am
Scott has now spammed 20 of my news items with this garbage - don't worry Scott every one of them are being reported as the spam and harrassment they are...it is quite childish to attack people with a different view point...he is attacking yo too Panthera - talk about insecurity!!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 10:02 am
Chris,

Yeah, that is childish. I don't know if he actually believes this stuff or not. Or if he is just a troll looking for attention. I mean if he tried to pass off a tick pulled out of his head as a robotic nanomachine with gold wires... Starting to sound like he's trying to pull off a big foot like hoax or something.
 

Scott Shaubel (816)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 10:04 am

9,450,000 members at care2,

and Chris, Panthera, and Margaret,

are the only 3 that keep pretending like this doesn't exist,

and that I am a nut


Whatever, keep up the good work..

- keep my posts on the front page,

keep commenting,


yes! Thank You!


 

Chris Otahal (507)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 10:07 am
Actually, may have challenged your views and now that you are spamming this news on all of my submitions, you will soon be gone!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 10:07 am
Thanks Chris,

I'm going through and complaining about them too.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 10:10 am
Scott,

I see no evidence that we are the only 3 who don't agree with you. How arrogant of you to think you can speak for 9,449,997 other people.

But as Chris said, you are likely to be banned from posting soon now. Since you are wracking up complaints quite quickly because of your spamming of other people's news submissions and your personal attacks in them.
 

Chris Otahal (507)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 10:13 am
Just run down my first 20 or so front page articles - he posted on each...
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 10:19 am
Yep. Doing that now. Also sending an email to abuse@care2.com.
 

Marcy S (73)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 10:21 am
Thanks for the comments you two, you make a good debunker pair.
People believe what they want and all news is allowed if you have freedom of speech. Believe what you may, it's your mind that can't figure things out when it gets real deep... Keep denying this, your brain can't handle it, that's quite obvious...
 

Francois B (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 10:39 am
"9,450,000 members at care2,
and Chris, Panthera, and Margaret,
are the only 3 that keep pretending like this doesn't exist,
and that I am a nut"

Strangely, I don't see all of the members commenting positively on your reviews neither. My guess would be that most of them are not interested and/or don't read them. You cannot imply in any way that they agree with you.
 

Francois B (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 12:16 pm
Sorry Scott but I'm not sure you understand the difference between commenting, arguing and spamming... And I don't see where Chris and Panthera used personal attacks.

BTW, judging by your latest post about moving Q-tips, one would have to assume that you're joking.
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 1:59 pm
Ok, why is everyone's page coming up but Scott's? I live in small town USA, I wanted to see where Scott lived. He says he has noticed the spraying since '97. I was wondering if it's more prevalent around larger populations or more so where farming is big. Is it near military bases, or every where?
 

Nancy M (199)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 2:11 pm
I just noticed that about Scott's page too. But I was able to send him a green star. Go Figure!

 

Francois B (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 2:15 pm
In fact, it's copy-pasted from the website to which he refers. So, except if he's the one who posted it on the original website, he's not the one seeing it since 1997.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 2:27 pm
His account has probably been blocked because he was comment spamming other people's stories with off topic and personally vindictive links to his own stories. I suspect that's why his page doesn't come up.

Anyway, he's somewhere in Canada, but I don't remember exactly where.
 

Rinie Cassteele (47)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 4:29 pm
I've been following the morgellons story for a while and from what we can see it started around forrest area's and national parks.
When we started following this desease it was mostly in the area of a national park in the USA on the westcoast close to the Mexico border.
Can't remember the name of it though I would have to go look it up.
 

Darlene K (356)
Wednesday August 20, 2008, 11:17 pm
I am sorry to find that Scott sunk to your levels, Chris and Panthera. I have to wonder if you both believe everything that you are told by your government..., and if you believe the official 9-11 reports, too..... Hey, those were scientists, and professionals that came up with those reports..., heh. Yeah, right. Big deal someone is a pilot, what does that have to do with empirical evidence that thousands of people are finding on the surfaces of everything in their area. There is no way anyone knows what is exactly coming out of every single plane, and I don't have to be a pilot to figure that out. My girlfriend of 35 years is a pilot too..., so what, she is a Republican also, heh...so what does she know....

Don't worry????????????????????????

Well, I agree..., they shouldn't worry, because isn't going to solve anything. However, I can feel and see why anyone would worry. Many are educated of the false-truths in science, history, and everything else. There are alot of false conspiracy theories..., YES.., because the majority of the population KNOWS we are being lied to..., thanks to Greed and Power. People start bringing their "own" theories to the table. However, I am grateful to have seen evidence of a dark alliance, to know what is plausible and what isn't...Many of us have people in positions that we worry about...., if you catch my drift. The more TRUTH comes out, evidence and people start disappearing or die of some freak accident.

Angry? I am an activist and a Lightworker, that is being challenged with this feeling, of Anger. I struggle to not embrace the negative vibrations of anger, when I see so many Americans living in "the box" of this third dimensional Earth. We need the population to Wake Up, and face humanity's Truth and Knowledge with Love and Light, to UNITE in positive energy of INTENT for change to the greater good of ALL the living on Mother Earth.

The dark alliance, the bankers, the national leaders, the governments, the corporations, the corporations(lol), and the people..., ALL have a part in the blame of the condition of our government, Mother Earth and All the living, on her soil. While the American government sits on technology way advanced than we could imagine for at least, the last half century, we the people believed all the BS they shoveled out to us.

The people have always had the power, but they stayed sleeping, in their attainment of the "American Dream"..., you know the fancy cars, bigger houses, saving $15 at Wal-mart, wearing fur, and blah blah blah. I was too young, but where were the strong American people when JFK was assassinated and the public was handed a BS report that didn't add up?? Shouldn't have this nation of people demanded of its government, Truth in Disclosure? Oh yeah, the FBI and CIA weren't being nice to those who did question it, so the nation just shut up, and let it go shuffled, under the rug. Oops wait, that is a conspiracy theory too. Yeah, okay. Hoover was very inspiring to the people............., not.

Now I don't agree with Scott on some views, but I don't have the time, energy, nor the wishes to hang out on every one of his news posts like a Judge or Harbinger. I am not the only one that doesn't agree with some of his opinions, and can still move on...., it is called "Agreeing to Disagree" on opinions or theories. Chris please don't act so innocent..., you have done this to many of his news, and it is getting annoying that two strong activists as you and Scott are acting like a couple kids.

I bet if people looked at Scott's newslink, and looked at the news posts of his that have "conspiracy" theories he gives information and opinions on, they will see you, Chris commenting on there a dozen times being so judgemental and provoking with your words. Let's see.., yup 10 comments on this one and growing, heh. THEN there is Panthera Leo...lol...18 comments. Who is harassing who? Panthera how substainable you must be to be an activists of those concerns you listed and still happen to make extra time for these 18 comments.

I think I have a complaint, lol. You two seem to be very active together with this charade of comments. I am sorry that Scott let you provoke him into doing something disrespectful as spamming your posts. I wish he would just ignore you. However, I COMPLETELY understand his frustration with as much as you attack him. We are all equal, and We are ALL One. Please..., many of us on Care2 are true activists for world causes of many different areas of Life on this planet. That means we might have half-a-brain to not be misled into theatrics or drama of a conspiracy theory. In addition, not all of them are false. Namaste, Dar
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 5:15 am
Dar D,

I don't feel that Chris and I ever sunk to Scott's level. We disagreed with him about his conclusions. That's all. But neither of us ever comment spammed any of his news items with off topic inflammatory links to our own news items. That's what got him in trouble.

I don't believe everything the government tells me. But I do believe that things have to be looked at logically. And when you look at things logically, the evidence just doesn't fit for what Scott is claiming:

1. Nanofibers simply cannot be used the way he is claiming they can. Modern biotechnology is no where near capable of that kind of thing. And they most certainly cannot not be used to build nanowires in people's brains that respond to microwave RF signals for the purposes of mind control. This simply isn't possible with any kind of modern biotech, and won't be for a very long time (if ever).

2. Uranium is a natural element that is found in everything. Virtually all soil contains small amounts of Uranium. Uranium uptake occurs in plants that grow in this soil. And consequently, anything that eats those plants also ingests small amounts of Uranium. It has been that way since the first plants started growing on Earth. So this whole claim about "Uranium found in residue from chemtrails" is just bad science.

3. Note that no reference to the lab that supposedly found the anthrax and Uranium in chemtrail residue was ever given. That's a very convenient way to make sure no one can attempt to verify the claims. Since they can't contact the lab that did the analysis and find out what the results actually were.

4. Scott has been caught trying to pass off hoaxes here before. As Chris mentioned, he was caught red handed trying to pass off a blurry video he filmed of an object being pulled out of his head that he claimed was a robotic bug with gold wires on it. It was quickly debunked to be a common wood tick. Which Scott even admitted later on.

I don't consider this kind of thing to be activism. It belongs at a sci-fi convention. It doesn't belong here. And part of being an activist is debunking this kind of thing so that people spend their resources and time on things that really matter.

As far as being an activist, I do a lot more than post here. I work in the field of ecology, studying the effects of climate change, habitat loss, and species interactions with their environment. So please do not question my loyalty to the cause. I've made it my entire life's work.

There is a conspiracy here. But it's not what you might think. The real conspiracy is among the people who are making money writing and selling books about these kind of ridiculous theories. They know perfectly well the theories are false. But they also know a lot of people will buy books about them--more so then will buy a book about the truth. So there's your conspiracy.

You tell me not to buy into everything the government tells you. I tell you not to buy into everything you hear on Art Bell Coast to Coast, or everything you read in books. Analyze it yourself. And know when the evidence just doesn't support the claim.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 5:36 am
Oh, and one thing to be especially careful about is claims like this that say "a lab analysis was done and found such and such" when the article doesn't give the name of the lab that did the analysis. That's usually a pretty good indication that either (a) The analysis was never done at all, and the person making the claim made it up, or (b) The analysis was done, but the results have been monkeyed with and are not being truthfully reported.

As I said in my last post. There's a reason they don't tell the name of the lab that did the analysis. They don't want you to be able to independently verify the claim.
 

Chris Otahal (507)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 6:55 am
Dar - As I said, I am tired of your preachings to me - your not quite so innocent either - and quick to judge - at least judge me - as well. I used to value your opinion - not any more. To say Scott "sunk" to our level is completely out of line!!! I have dissagreed with his views and have voiced that - which is part of any learning process. Everyone gets negative feedback - especially on contriversial posts. Some comments involved several posts in one thread, yes - mostly responses to others questions or comments on my posts. You wish everyone to blindly follow Scotts preachinging (which just happen to be your beliefs too)... that is not how life works. He came "DOWN" to "OUR LEVEL"????? Did I ever spam my views on unrelated posts (20 times???), have I made up vidieos and try to decieve other members? Have I called everyone "brain dead","unconcious" or other derogatory terms (repeatedly) just because they did not agree with my views? Do I have MULTIPLE PROFILES???? If one can't stand up to some decent and questioning, whithout being a child about it, then his position is quite weak. And as I said, if you think I have been out of line - flag my posts - and Care2 will make a decision. I think what Scott was doing is dangerous and it hurts the environmental community - and is un-ethical (as lies all are). As I said, you are quite judgemental - how many times have YOU posted that same speach above - I found 15 and counting. Also, do read some of his other posts, and you will notice that I AM NOT the only one who has decented from "the church of Scott" - yet, YOU keep giving me grief - and I have yet to see you voice any concern about Scotts actions - heck, you were even defending him for making up fradualent vidieos - you may want to look at your "filtering" system when JUDGING ME.
 

Darlene K (356)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 2:46 pm
Your both are very humorous, but are not a pinnacle of great activists. I care not what you think of me...., nor should you care what I think of you. That is not our purposes in this lifetime, to function from our egos. If I did care of what you thought, I surely wouldn't have commented to the ridiculous rants.., once..., already. It seems like you both get this impression of Scott as being something he has never said he was...., lol. That is your reaction to your emotion, and your INTENT definitely came out in your comments..heh. This will be my last comment to this news, because I don't have time to deal with you two "conspiracy busters"...lol, and I have many other people and animals who are dying and suffering to work with, and the sickness of Mother Earth. Then I have the numerous Legislations to keep track of, to hold the government's accountability up to more Americans of what our Congress is doing and not doing. I have no time with this nonsense, that even an educated human-being can comprehend. Anyone, just like you two have taken up, can take the cause of harassing someone who posts conspiracy theories, which there are wayyyyyyyyyyy more lies in our Media, and make it a cause of activism, and I don't care if it is over people shouldn't wear the color of black, blue or brown, because some group of people feel these colors are harmful..heh.

Who has the authority to judge what a human-being forms as a group of activism for whatever cause..............There are activist groups that WANT offshore drilling and those who don't...., which the scientists of government join the activists turned lobbyists (anyone can be one of those too..., as ANY activist group can negotiate and pressure Congress). There are groups who WANT fur, and there are groups that WANT development and deforestation, others who WANT the slaughtering of some species of animals for their own reasons........And many of these groups work on some conspiracy theories...., it works both ways. If I wanted to engage in this type of "responsiblity" you are both engaging as an activist..., these are the areas I would speak out TRUTH. You are wasting your valuable skills, education, and knowledge for this???????????????? Yeah, okay.

Panthera.., yeah I know...several comments ago you said you were an ecologist...lol. Again, so what. You should be waking up more than the ones who aren't ecologists. Our water, air, soil, and food have chemicals and pollutants that we should NOT be consuming nor breathing. Thank goodness there ARE ecologists that are questioning Earth Science's logic and misrepresentation, because many activists need them to state the case to Congress who are making snail pace progress with cleaning up our environment, protecting the forests and wildlife, and our source of survival. You are perfectly fine to Agree to Disagree with me.., Free Will. I respect that of another.
In addition, YOU do not have any idea WHAT I think, of anything. That is a fact, and I know..., neither one of you are psychic..., oh wait that is lies too....lol. Sorry, but I follow The Disclosure Progect, not Coast-to-Coast. You know the one with scientists, intellegence dark ops ex scientists of many different fields, military personnel, and many more. YOU can continue to believe your chosen scientists with their little lab experiments, and I will chose to believe the scientists who are questioning this insane and horrific experiences thousands are experiencing... I can't believe I read that you think these people are delusional or claim these suffering people found a patch of ticks in the woods.................................................
Panthera I ponder on your profile, and wonder... if you turned from your true self within, has he ever wondered if he was wrong...., what part he played in his actions on this day. Stop Fearing the Horror of the Truth in this world, and face it with your intelligence and knowledge to help the greater good. I have done my own research and I am very grateful to have the connections that I have, which I already stated why I will not say too much. That is the ONLY reason why I don't say MORE...., and ohhhh there is much more. So Panthera I suggest you accept the quantum theory, but you have every right not too, and to Agree to Disagree.

Chris..., please...I feel bad for you..lol, this is turning into a whine. Oh and just because you substitute the word activist, in this case...lol, with the word Judging...., you rant to your own soul, and not mine. I don't engage in those games. I try to remind all HUMAN BEINGS of the wonderful tool of "Agreeing to Disagree", because activism is a hard enough job as we fight against the UNION of Corporate and State. YOU, Chris, call it judging, and why go to the extreme with lies of my supporting whatever you attacked Scott's posts............., desperation.....maybe. I always make it clear that I don't agree with him on issues, and I did it in this post too. YOU try to make it into something it is NOT, dear one.

NO one will be able to stop the TRUTH, there are too many Lightworkers that have this job, and many are fierce with this calling....There are thousands of Lightworkers in Care2. You need to learn more patience, compassion, and forgiveness with Love and Light. And again, you have every right to Agree to Disagree with my opinions in this comment.

I can NOT control your words, thoughts, nor your actions, BUT I can control my reactions to them. I strive to do this with patience, compassion, and forgiveness, as I am still learning, healing, and servicing, in this lifetime. If I stumble in this chaotic world, then I apologize and try NOT to repeat that mistake, again. No different than what every other soul alive should do..... If you ever turn to your true light within...., you will be a huge Light in our ocean of positive energy.

Okay, that is enough time and energy for this nonsense. Much Love and Peace...Namaste, Dar

 

Chris Otahal (507)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 3:16 pm
As per your request - I don't care what you think about me - your INTENT is quite clear - and therefore this rant is of no consequense and deserves no response...
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 5:57 pm
Dar D,

I know perfectly well that there are pollutants in water, air, soil, and food. I also know perfectly well where they come from. Industrial air pollution, toxic discharges from industry into water, nitrate runoff from farms, dirty mining operations that don't take precautions to safe guard the environment, and our love affair with automobiles.

Do yourself a favor and educate yourself on the real sources of the toxins within our environment. They are coming from places I mentioned above... Literally MILLIONS of pages of documentation from thousands and thousands of independent scientific studies confirm this. They simply aren't coming from grand conspiracies involving chemtrails and such. The people making the kinds of claims you make HARM the environment by giving people false ideas about what causes pollution, and what needs to be done to stop it.

I don't care what you think about me. I do care about people knowing the truth about what is harming the planet. And what you are spreading doesn't even resemble the truth.

I will say nothing more either.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 21, 2008, 6:04 pm
Dar D,

I take that back. I'm going to make one more comment.

You mentioned "legislation to deal with". Please deal with pushing the important legislation. Legislation that FORCES automobile makers to invest in alternative energy vehicles, and raise fuel efficiency. Legislation that FORCES factories to clean up their acts. Legislation that gives more money to mass transit programs such as high speed rail service, that make it more desirable to take the train then drive.

I don't don't doubt your sincerity or your desire to help the environment. I just hope you choose to spend your efforts when pushing legislation wisely, instead of waste those efforts on Scott's ridiculous conspiracy theories.
 

Scott Shaubel (816)
Saturday August 23, 2008, 9:01 pm
Dar I couldn't have said it better.
Love, Light and Laughter Always!
Over and out...
Marcy :)
 
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