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AWAY AWHI
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CIVIL LIBERTIES VS. NATIONAL SECURITY--ALL UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL



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AWAY AWHILE Cal Mendelsohn (1065)
Wednesday May 19, 2010, 3:28 pm
there's clearly a lot going on here--being a bit of a wise-ass didn't help the civilians and the police action was a
bit heavy handed.
 

Madeleine L (51)
Wednesday May 19, 2010, 11:01 pm
ABSURD!!!!! What kind of Totalitarian state has the US become? So much for Canadians shopping in the US!!! More than ever I will NEVER cross that border!! Border Guards tend to be high-handed and full of themselves, but I guess the US doesn't want Canadians entering their country for ANY reason, including an afternoon shopping trip. I wonder what the stores that USED to get Canadian business think of the new Hitler clone manner of their border officers? SHOP CANADIAN everybody!!! No one should be put through the ridiculous and power crazy treatment that this couple received for asking the legally correct question: "Why are you 'arresting/detaining etc. me". The Wife sounded hysterical, which I can understand, given the treatment that her husband was being subjected to. They go to JAIL for asking a question in a reasonable tone?? You can bet they are now on some "List" in the Pentagon as 'dangerous possible terrorists' for putting this on youtube, which they have,thank God! I no longer see any reason for Canadians to go to such a dangerous country and I will never do so, especially with my son and daughter (he has long hair!!!! ouuuu!)God forbid someone with Asperger's syndrome or Autism should be in a car in this sort of situation! The 'border guards' would probably shoot the poor person when they freaked out from being touched. I am horrified at how far the US has gone down the road of Martial Law/violence/Totalitarianism. Thank you God for my being a Canadian!
USA, just ignore us, we are not important, except to put our soldiers in front of yours to get blown up in the most dangerous part of Afghanistan, like during the Second W.W. As you can tell my sense of Justice is outraged! I hope that this 'goes viral' however that happens. (I am probably on a list now for writing this, dangerous 60 yr. old homemaker that I am....)
 

Locan Sleeping-Squirrel (209)
Wednesday May 19, 2010, 11:54 pm
A bit? C'mon Cal. Pulling away is assault? Total bullshit.
 

Bruce C D (89)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 12:59 am
Now this could be an actual encounter, and if so, then it is obviously evidence of an abuse of authority. However, the source seems dubious and it is possible it could be a sham, just like all the bogus propaganda emails making the rounds which suck so many credulous people in. The situation in the recording isn't hard to imagine actually happening, which does make it seem believable. Yet the person posting this on YouTube claims to have gotten it from somebody on Facebook, but he doesn't know who it is. He doesn't know any details about the recording which would perhaps allow verification. He doesn't even seem interested in verifying the recording is legitimate. Apparently none of the participants has come forward after this was posted to YouTube to verify accuracy. His commentary for the recording posted there has a definite political slant I kind of sympathize with--except at the end when he says Arabs weren't responsible for 9/11!!

I'm all for independent media, Cal, but I also think that the material and sources should be checked for accuracy before being thrust upon the public, so that we don't create a tempest in a teapot. Also, when bombarded with enough slanted or fake news, the public may become cynical and more likely to disregard important stories. At least, if not able to reasonably ascertain veracity, how about a warning label of some kind, alerting people and making them aware up front of the questionable nature, so they can determine for themselves the level of credibility it should be assigned and base their response accordingly?

The thing about this one is you'd hate it if it was true, and you'd hate it if it wasn't.

There was a least a good joke, though, in the comments there: "I see a need to pass a law that allows police to ask for I.D. from people that look Canadian."
 

patricia lasek (317)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 7:09 am
I have to agree with Bruce D. on this one. If it was an actual happeneing why wasn't the video also displayed. The "supervisor" stated that it was recorded on both audio and video. I'm not buying this.
 

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 12:45 pm
I heard this yesterday, and I have to agree with Madeleine.......
( ABSURD!!!!! What kind of Totalitarian state has the US become? So much for Canadians shopping in the US!!! More than ever I will NEVER cross that border!! )

Some of my best friends are in or from the US,
thank goodness for Skype and telephones cause I will never set
a toenail in the " Corporation of the United States ", visiting Bagdad would be safer.
 

Ed Hoy (9)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 1:02 pm
Maybe, just maybe, el presedente BO, should take some of these hard-ass border security from the Canadian border, and put them on the Mexican border. At least we'd be sure to catch any Illegal Canadians, coming in from Mexico!!
 

doug krause (1)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 1:06 pm
I am Canadian and this guy was an Ass. Do the border folks get all puffed up with their jobs and have attitudes? you bet. Its not our right to enter the U.S. its something that can be denied. SO, DONT BE A SMARTASS... just asnwer the questions, they are doing their job and its tough. This guy deserved an ass kicking as it was all his fault!
 

Marcie D (0)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 1:13 pm
This isn't anything new in the United States. Research the rise in Ex-pats from the US all over the world and the fact more are leaving every year. There is a reason for that. I don't know if this tape is for real, but it wouldn't shock me if it were.
 

(0)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 2:45 pm
If this happened at the Mexican border everyone would be crying racism or racial profiling!

These border guards are quite ridiculous, but the Canadian could have crossed quickly if he hadn't mouthed off to the first guard...who was clearly picking on him for reasons we don't know.
It's all quite ludicrous. If it's a joke, it's not even funny.
 

Sharon Balloch (127)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 2:58 pm
Good work keeping out those smart ass Canadians... and their money.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 5:07 pm
This sort of thing happens everywhere, not just at the boarder!
They harass all motorist after 10:00 PM now too!
No longer a free country!
The next time they want more cops, JUST SAY NO!
 

Robert Tomlinson (62)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 5:51 pm
Every time I have been to Canada I have always been treated with the utmost courtesy on both sides of the border. If this recording is on the level.....this is an embarrassment.
 

alex croes (29)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 6:11 pm
and then they call chaves the totalitarian chiev of state.
in irak also in abu graib they also did the same,and when the us soldiers want to look for there civil right in den haag holland,usa treatened holland if they ever host these people they would invade holland by military
 

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 9:23 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

meghan horan (0)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 11:09 pm
The Canadina dude was naive but I'm sure he's much wiser now. He was a sked a question to which his response should have been, "I don't know" not, "How am I supposed to know". Canadian dude is asking he border guard if he thinks he's a terrorist. How the f***ck is the border guard supposed to know. What does a terrorist look like anyway. Dude was just way over-reactive and edgy. Hope he's calmed down a little since the episode. And for those wondering if the recording is bogus or not? ---- Sounded TOTALLY authentic to me!
 

meghan horan (0)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 11:11 pm
Wow.
 

meghan horan (0)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 11:15 pm
Canadian dude was naive but is hopefully wiser after the incident. He was asked a simple question - the name of the store he would be shopping at. The simple answer was "I don't know", not "How am I supposed to know' ... He's trying to get the guard to tell him if he really thinks he's a terrorist. How is the guard supposed to know? Anyone could be. What does a terrorist look like? Dude should have drank some chamomile tea before hitting hte border, not 8 cups of coffee!
 

Philippa P (154)
Thursday May 20, 2010, 11:21 pm
I don't know whether it is real or not. I'm confused.
 

Bruce C D (89)
Friday May 21, 2010, 7:06 am
Cory Doctorow had his to say about an incident even more egregious than the one depicted here, in which the Canadian was found guilty the other day of obstruction, even though members of the jury regretted the decision they were forced to make under the law, thought the border guards had overreacted, and lamented no charges were brought against the U.S. border guards:
"It's about obedience.

Authoritarianism is a disease of the mind. It criminalizes the act of asking "why?" It is the obedience-sickness that turns good people into perpetrators and victims of atrocities great and small."

Meghan H., let's assume this actually happened. You don't have to be a trained expert to know this guy wasn't a terrorist. And it wasn't the guest arriving to spend money his hard-earned money in our country who was being unreasonable, it was the border guards, who--as is unfortunately all too typical for people placed in positions of authority--don't care for their authority to be questioned, and, as sometimes happens, reacted by abusing that authority. So he was going to shop at a mall with his wife and they didn't have any particular store in mind; why should they be put through the wringer and all that unnecessary provocation for questioning why that is a problem? The guy is just speaking his mind and voicing common sense--it used to be a cherished value here in the U.S., not a crime, for Pete's sake! I don't see a guy jacked up on caffiene, I see an independent thinker questioning unthinking bureaucracy, and bullied into a submissive lamb. Where you regard him as wiser, I see him and his wife with their humanity diminished and unjustly deprived of spirit.

"A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.": Aldous Huxley, Brave New World

 

Marianna M. (6)
Friday May 21, 2010, 8:47 am
thats pretty pathetic
 

Patricia C (96)
Saturday May 22, 2010, 10:36 am
If it's real, I think it's pretty scary. As Locan said; "pulling away is asault"? A natural reaction when you are grabbed and scared. I have almost been arrested for being "mouthy" to a cop, I am not particularly proud to say, so I empathize with this poor guy just trying to go on a shopping trip with his wife. While I understand that their job can be difficult, the border patrol guards, and other law enforcement officials, don't need to be so OBNOXIOUS when dealing with people.
 

Helen Snyder (13)
Sunday May 23, 2010, 3:48 pm
As in other settings .. "power corrupts".
 

Bracha Katz (31)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 2:21 pm
weather or not this is true, they defenitely do obnoxious. they once went through someone i know's laptop for no reason. someone else i know was crossing the border and they asked him why, he said for a wedding which was in a couple of hours, the asked him why he didn't come earlier, he said "i was busy", they asked "what were you busy with". HELLO!
 
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