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Dutch May Use 'Decoy Jews' to Fight Racism


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Cal
- 1495 days ago - msnbc.msn.com
A hidden-camera video showing Jews being harassed on the street in a Moroccan neighborhood of Amsterdam has led Dutch authorities to consider combating hate crimes with "decoy Jews" -- undercover police officers wearing yarmulkes.



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Past Member (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 6:52 pm
Unfortunately, with the influx of immigrants from Islamic countries attacks on Jews have increased in all of Western European countries.
 

pam w. (191)
Friday June 25, 2010, 7:10 pm
Yes, they've brought more evils than just attacks on Jews! I fear for Holland, Belgium and France!
 

Mack David (100)
Friday June 25, 2010, 8:45 pm
Hey Cal-Nice controversial article you posted...
I do not think it would be wise for the Dutch to "set-up"such a scheme for,It is another message of hate.
Like an echo............
Perpetuates........
 

. (0)
Friday June 25, 2010, 8:48 pm
European countries are facing a situation similar to the one the US is failing to deal with only instead of a Hispanic invasion they are facing an Islamic invasion. A note of warning to those European countries; the first sign the invasion is succeeding is when your society begins adopting Arabic as its second language.
 

Alexa R. (331)
Friday June 25, 2010, 9:03 pm
Mack David:

If I may ask, how then would you combat these increasingly violent hate crimes against Jewish people in many European countries?

At least the Dutch are trying to do something about these increasingly violent hate crimes committed against Jewish people!

HATE CRIMES is another message of hate.

NOT trying to combat messages of hate taking the form of hate crimes! Trying to combat hate crimes is POSITIVE action ..

Turning a blind eye to hate crimes is like an echo ... perpetuates ..

A bully NEVER stops unless STOPPED ... A bully intensifies their attacks of hate either until they have completely killed and destroyed their 'enemy' or until someone stops the bully ..
 

sue M. (184)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 1:37 am
This is really stupid. They have no idea who and what causes racism or instigates it.
Get rid of Psychiatry and you get rid of racism.
 

Mila Lelwis (5)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 5:44 am
How ironic... and needless to say how typical!!

While the Jews are sacrosanct and protected by the law, other minority groups have to put and shut up!

By all means stop harassment... but enforce it equally across the board. Don't just protect ONE minority groups while ignoring the constant harassment suffered by others!
 

Terry B. (649)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 5:58 am
Sure, why not?

Cops in North America shave their heads, get tattoos (real and washable), and ride choppers to infiltrate criminal gangs.

These immigrant mohammedean punks are just gangs with another purpose.

Why do they want to come to countries full of people they dislike? (Their hate book syas to kill them all, but that's a whole other matter.)

The punks have no beef with this since they disrespect the residents and hospitality of their chose new home. People with good intentions cannot possibly get sucked into a crime because some guy is wearing a hat, and those that do need to be removed from the streets and imprisoned or sent back to the wonderful countries that they left.
 

Eli T. (90)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 5:59 am
What an excellent idea by the Dutch. It also goes to show how much racism is aimed at Jews more than other minorities. The fact that this is recognised and being DELT WITH is marvlous. It will also give some a taste of what Jews go through world wide. I am sure this will catch many of the muslims that are amoung the 1st to cry racism when they don't get their way. Great post Cal.
 

Eli T. (90)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 6:50 am
atw, When u say Palestinians, do u mean christians , greek orthodox, jekessim, Jews, beduin, druze, syrians, jordanians. Or do u mean just the muslim ARAB sector? Do try to remember"when u point your finger at another, u point 3 back at yourself. Those who emigrate to other lands should follow the rule of "When in rome, do as the roman.
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 9:23 am
There are so many admirable qualities about the Dutch that I can't list them all, but one is their traditional tolerance of other faiths, cultures, etc. That tolerance has led them into enormous social problems from immigrants who refuse to integrate and demand that the Dutch accommodate them in areas of education, dress, etc.

If the Dutch are using unusual methods to combat crime IN THEIR COUNTRY, they've every right to do so.

Terry, I'd send you a star for your comment, but I've done so within the past week, it seems. So...here...

*greenstars* for Terry!

ATW...do you know any way other than insults to discuss opinions which don't agree with yours? Calling someone a racist because they've written what Terry wrote is just pathetic, meaningless and obviously the result of ignorance.

The hate groups who attack Dutch citizens IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY are, in fact, nothing more than PUNKS and should be jailed, sent home and NEVER allowed to return.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 9:36 am
Zionists came to live in Palestine and steal its people's land,homes ,arms and property and drive them away from their land to refugee camps since 1946 with the support of Great Britain and the western countries.The gangsters are the Zionists who have been given a home by who doesn't own.Zionist settlers in occupied Palestine are attacking Palestinians,killing their women and children,destroying their homes,schools,hospitals and farms not only harassing them at night.The Zionist crime is continuing for over 64 years and the world is giving a blind eye to their crimes and unable to stop them.
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 9:41 am
And are you proposing that what happens in another part of the world makes the violence against Jews in Holland acceptable? Your "rationale" is just an excuse. This topic is about what the DUTCH are doing IN THEIR COUNTRY.

(Is it possible for anti-Semites to say ANYTHING which doesn't relate back to their problems in the middle-east?"
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 9:43 am
Based on classified documents from the Jewish Agency and its affiliated organizations seized by the British Mandate Police, materials that confirm that the Zionist controlled Jewish community intended to remove the Arab inhabitants of Palestine from their land and make the whole of Mandate Palestine a Jewish State, an intent that continues to the present day as the new book, The Plight of the Palestinians: a Long History of Destruction, available at Macmillan.com, demonstrates.)

By William A. Cook

May 12, 2010 "Information Clearing House" -- “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because Geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either … There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” (Moshe Dayan, Address to the Technion, Haifa, as quoted in Haaretz, 4-4-1969)

Thus began in November of 1947 what is euphemistically called the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by the combined forces of the Jewish armies, the Haganah, the Stern, and the Irgun as they drove more than 700,000 Palestinian Arabs from their homes leaving them destitute, homeless and abandoned without a country in what is now the largest refugee Diaspora in the world.

More truthfully, the plight of the Palestinians that began so ruthlessly in 1947, and is now called the Nakba, was an intentional, calculated campaign to force the Palestinian Arabs out of Palestine, a systematic genocide of a people as defined by the United Nations in its adoption of Genocide Convention, Article II.

The United Kingdom had mandatory authority from the League of Nations to govern the Palestine area with the establishment of the Palestine Mandate in 1922. Prior to the official implementation of the Mandate in 1922, the British Government had enunciated a “declaration” concerning the desirability of His Majesty’s Government in the “establishment of a national home for the Jewish people,” called the Balfour Declaration. Command Paper 1922 from the Avalon Project at Yale Law School underlines this intent: “His Majesty’s Government therefore now declare unequivocally that it is no part of their policy that Palestine should become a Jewish State.”

The View from Inside the Mandate

One of the curious ambiguities that surrounds the decade that preceded the declaration by the Jewish leaders in Palestine of the state of Israel is the dearth of information and perspective from the British Mandate forces governing Palestine between 1940 and May 15, 1948, the date of implementation of the partition resolution. Fortunately, Sir Richard C. Catling has left us a file that provides insight into conditions that prevailed in Jerusalem while he was Deputy Head of the Special Branch of the Criminal Investigation Division in Jerusalem in 1944 and a year later Assistant Inspector General. Catling’s “TOP SECRET” file has lain untouched in the Rhodes House archives of the Bodleian Libraries of Oxford University until two years ago.

Two documents dominate the file with 62 appendices of evidence totaling close to 500 pages of materials. The first is a dispatch sent to the Secretary of State, dated 16th of October, 1941, by the High Commissioner of Palestine, Harold MacMichael, labeled “Most Secret”; the second, a Top Secret “Memorandum on the Participation of the Jewish National Institutions in Palestine in Acts of Lawlessness and Violence,” prepared by the Criminal Investigation Department headquarters, The Palestine Police, Jerusalem, dated July 31st, 1947. [Sir Richard C. Catling, #145, Mss.Med. S20] 1

What should be obvious now, with the materials preserved by Sir Richard C. Catling, is the truth about the creation of the state of Israel: acceptance of UN Resolution 181 by the Jewish Agency Provisional Government as the designated Jewish state was not done with intent to abide by the goal of the UN General Assembly, to provide a state for two peoples in the land of Palestine, but rather to use it as a means to gain eventual control of all the land and cleanse that land of its indigenous people to whatever extent possible. Put bluntly, as the chapters in Macmillan’s new book, The Plight of the Palestinians attests (to be released in June), the current government in Israel continues the practices of past Israeli governments: cleanse the land of its rightful inhabitants to make that land part of the Jewish state. This is what is termed in numerous chapters in this volume, “slow motion genocide.”

Jump Starting the State

Consider the events of April 9-11, 1948, the eradication of the citizens of the town of Deir Yassin, a month before the Agency declared the existence of the Israeli state and the implementation of the UN Resolution to partition. This massacre became then and remains the signature example of the intent of the Zionist Consultancy and its agents to ethnically cleanse Palestine of its non-Jewish inhabitants. 2

During the six months between the adoption of UN Resolution 181 and in subsequent months, the new state of Israel launched a massive military incursion into territory designated by that same Resolution for the Palestinian people, creating in its wake “three quarters of a million Palestinian refugees,” the destruction of “hundreds of entire villages … not only depopulated but obliterated …and houses blown up or bulldozed.” Walid Khalidi’s massive study focuses on 418 villages, once the homes of Palestinians, 292 completely destroyed, 90 others “largely destroyed,” the remainder replaced by Jews called Israeli settlers. 3

Perceiving the Reality

The “despatch” sent by MacMichael to the Secretary of State resulted from an investigation into the funding practices and use of those funds by various Jewish organizations.

The memorandum illustrates … the fact that the Mandatory is faced potentially with as grave a danger in Palestine from Jewish violence as it has ever faced from Arab violence, a danger infinitely less easy to meet by the methods of repression which have been employed against Arabs. In the first place, the Jews … have the moral and political support … of considerable sections of public opinion both in the United Kingdom and the United States of America. … all the influence and political ability of the Zionists would be brought to bear to show that the Jews in Palestine were the victims of aggression, and that a substantial body of opinion abroad would be persuaded of the truth of the contention. 4

Quite obviously, MacMichael understands that the Mandatory has little power at home over the zealous actions of the Zionists as they manipulate public and political opinion even as they expand their terrorism against the British Mandate government in Palestine. This is an untenable position to be in, responsible for government control and security of those under its authority, i.e. Palestinians as well as Jews, knowing that the Jews are set on driving the British out of Palestine, and knowing that the home government can offer little help.

To bolster his points, MacMichael offers the following:

… the Jews in Palestine are by no means untrained in the use of arms … large numbers have received training in the Palestine Police… or in His Majesty’s Forces. At the present time, in addition to approximately 10,000 Jews in His Majesty’s Forces, there are 5,800 in various units of the police force and 15,400 special policemen (31,000) … When to those men … are added the illicit ‘defence’ organizations of the Jews (Haganah alone had an estimated 60-70,000 men by 1945, see Mss, Med. S20 Appendix XXI), it will be evident that the Jewish people in arms would numerically and in calibre be a very formidable adversary. 5

This is in 1941before the full deployment of Jewish terrorism against the legitimate Palestine government got under way.

MacMichael and Catling found themselves missing one of Catling’s primary supports for the waging of “irregular warfare” drawn from his image of the 3-legged stool that required the support of the people, the commander and his army and the government, an image, no doubt, from his childhood in Suffolk where his family were butchers and farmers. But the situation only got worse as the end of WWII loomed. The Haganah carried out anti-British military operations, including the kidnapping, killing and booby trapping of soldiers’ bodies, conducted against the Mandate Government while the home government remained silent under the pall of Israeli Zionist propaganda. 6

But recording the acts of terrorism does not do justice to the conditions the Mandate government faced. MacMichael describes the reality of the forces aligned against the police in Palestine.

A second matter which deeply impressed me is the almost Nazi control exercised by the official Jewish organizations over the Jewish community, willy nilly, through the administration of funds from abroad, the issue of labor certificates in connection with the immigration quota…. The Royal Commission were, in my view, fundamentally at error in describing the Jewish community in Palestine as “intensely democratic”. … The Zionist organization, the whole social structure which it has created in Palestine, has the trappings but none of the essentials of democracy. The community is under the closed oligarchy of the Jewish official organizations which control Zionist policy and circumscribe the lives of the Jewish community in all directions…. The reality of power is in the Agency, with the Haganah, the illegal military organization, always in the background. 7

And so the authorities in Palestine, the legal authorities, have no power to enforce measures that would curtail terrorism against their own police. “The use of force cannot be contemplated at present as any such action would have to be on a very large scale.” MacMichael understands that he can get no help from the Jewish community, even from those who find themselves at odds with the Agency’s methods or morality. The consequences to the individual Jew for disobedience is horrendous as the second document seized from the Zionists in 1947 attests.

Between Two Worlds

Nothing makes more obvious the meaning of the “Zionist Juggernaut” than Catling’s TOP SECRET “Memorandum of the Criminal Investigation Department” of July 31, 1947.

The purpose of this memorandum is to furnish documentary evidence of the extent to which the supreme Jewish national institutions in Palestine and their principal officials have been parties to acts of sedition, violence, incitement and other offences against the laws of Palestine….The bulk of the memorandum concerns the war and post war years… the memorandum will therefore concern itself solely with an attempt to establish the links between the supreme Jewish bodies and illegal activity... 8

Catling’s memorandum begins with an understanding of the “intricate Jewish political, social and economic structure in Palestine.” A series of appendices chart these structures marking in passing that “…the Palestine Royal Commission Report of 1937 understood ‘The Agency is obviously not a ‘governing body’; it can only advise and cooperate in a certain wide field.’ But allied as it is with the Vaad Leumi, and commanding the allegiance of the great majority of Jews in Palestine, it unquestionably exercises, both in Jerusalem and in London, a considerable influence on the conduct of government” [emphasis mine]. Catling’s frustration with the actual control of the Jews over British policy in Palestine glares through this document. “This powerful and efficient organization amounts, in fact, to a government existing side by side with the Mandatory Government…” (2-3) [emphasis mine]. 9

What Catling doesn’t state in that sentence, but what he demonstrates in the memorandum, is that the Jewish Agency and its affiliated organizations are at war with the UN authority in Palestine, the British Mandate Palestine Government. The appendices include detailed information on the personnel in interlocking Jewish organizations and the function of each. The memorandum goes further. It notes that the activities of the Jewish Agency through its controlled organizations send emissaries and instructors abroad “to stir up Zionist sentiments among the Jewish communities and displaced persons, to bring pressure to bear upon the Palestine problem, to organize illegal immigration and engage in espionage.” As a result of its investigations, the Department itemizes six areas of subversive activities undertaken by the Jewish Agency against the British Mandate Government:

1. Maintenance of a secret army and espionage system;
2. Smuggling, theft and manufacture of arms;
3. Illegal immigration;
4. Violence and civil disobedience;
5. Seditious and hostile propaganda;
6. Encroachment upon the civil rights of Jewish citizens. 10

In short, the Zionist controlled Jewish Agency, the Yishuv, actively undermined the legal authority in Palestine even as it operated to undermine support for that government in Britain, placing UK forces in harms way as they attempted to fulfill their authorized responsibilities in Palestine. It also demonstrates the determination of the Agency’s leadership in undermining the very nation that gave it a means of establishing a “homeland” in Palestine through the Balfour Declaration. Needless to say, Catling and his CID forces recognized the impossible position this defiance placed them in and understood the deception and violent means used by the Zionists to ensure that their will and theirs alone would be fulfilled at any cost.

However, the real power behind their efforts, what effectively held together the multiple strands of the web, was the use of extortion on all the Jewish people in Palestine, “…the extortion of money for unauthorized funds and self imposed taxes to further the illicit political ends of the national institutions” (42). Catling’s Memorandum provides evidence of how effective this consolidation of the web’s network operated including the systematic compilation of all wage earners, measures to be adopted in event of refusal to pay, publishing of names of those who failed to contribute, deductions from salary, sanctions on businesses, compulsory assessment, withholding of immigrants certificates, and Jewish Agency officials assessments.

There follows the measures to be taken against shirkers including actions to be taken against anyone aiding a shirker. There is no need to go into the details of these imposed actions; the consequences amount to total ostracism of an individual from his/her community to kidnapping and disappearance.

For those entering the military forces of the Jewish Agency, the Hagana, there is the Hagana Oath (XVI A 157).

I hereby declare that of my own free will and in free recognition I enter the Jewish defence organization of the Land of Israel, (Irgun Haganana Haivri Be’Eretz Israel).

I hearby swear to remain loyal all the days of my life to the defense organization, its laws and its tasks as defined in its basic regulations by the High Command.

I hearby swear to remain at the disposal of the defense organization all my life, to accept its discipline unconditionally and without limit, and at its call to enlist for active service at any time and in any place, to obey all its orders and to fulfill all its instructions.

I hearby swear to devote all my strength, and even to sacrifice my life, to defense and battle for my people and my Homeland, for the freedom of Israel and for the redemption of Zion. 11

In one sense, these two methodologies of control, one imposed by fear, the second by moral obligation, make comprehensible the complete control the Zionists were able to achieve over a protracted period of time toward their distant goals. The fear imposed by extortion rests on its use in providing access to jobs, the protection offered by the “gangs” and Haganah forces, and the enforcement of the rules and regulations as itemized above.

The Haganah Oath goes deeper than fear. In effect, it declares that an individual has turned his/her conscience over to the High Command thus accepting what is right and what is wrong as determined by that authority regardless of local, state or international law, indeed, regardless of the morals, values and traditions of Judaism. This commitment is forever, to death. It is bolstered by a document issued to the Commander and Troops of the Haganah labeled “Security Instructions” that notes at the outset, “Remember, you are a member of an illegal military organization according to the Laws of the government, its existence, activity and membership of it is forbidden” The remainder of the document obligates the recruit to unconditional obedience, absolute silence, and the pragmatic and utilitarian virtues of deceit and lying. 12

Selling the Soul

From the moment an individual takes the oath, they are committed to a life of secrecy and hence of disloyalty and betrayal to those they are most intimate with in their day to day life. Neither their actions nor their true identity is discernible to those with whom they interact regularly. This is a life that encapsulates the necessity of lies, deceit, coercion, extortion, and obedience to a group that dictates the actions one must pursue; freedom no longer exists, self-direction no longer exists, loyalty to others no longer exists, indeed, friendship with others is compromised or impossible, one becomes the subject of that group, a veritable slave to their desires and wills. The mindset that promotes such control allows for spying, for deception of friends, for ostracism in one’s own community for thinking differently, for imprisonment without due process, for torture, even for extrajudicial executions. It is a total commitment to a cause that supersedes all others determined and dictated by an oligarchy in silence and subject to no legitimate institution and to no one.
Notes

1- Catling, Sir Richard C. Personal Classified “Top Secret” files. Rhodes House Library Archives. #145. Mss. Medit. S 20 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) Appendices circa 475 pages of seized documents. Oxford: Bodleian Libraries.
2- Morris, Benny. (1999). Righteous Victims: A History of the Zionist-Arab Conflict, 1881-2001. Knopf. 208.
3- Khalidi, Walid. (1992). All That Remains. Institute for Palestinian Studies: Washington, D.C. xv.
4- MacMichael, Harold. (1947). “Memorandum on the Participation of the Jewish National Institutions in Palestine in Acts of Lawlessness and Violence” The Palestine Police, Jerusalem, 7-31-1947 in Catling file.
5- MacMichael. “dispatch.” 1.
6- Ibid., “Despatch.” 2.
7- Ibid., “Despatch.” 2.
8- Catling. “Memorandum.” 1-2.
9- Ibid., “Memorandum.” 2-3.
10- Ibid. “Memorandum.” 5.
11- Ibid., Appendix, XVIA, 157.
12- Ibid., Appendix, XXVIII, 219.
 

Mack David (100)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 9:46 am
Alexandra;
I do not have the correct answer.
i do believe in my soul HATE begets HATE,etc....
I do think that it takes one at a time to show one another:
"Love,sweet love"
Being kind and aiding your neighbor.
treating your fellow man as an EQUAL.
Again,
Alexandra I do not profess to have any answers.
Merely opinion and principles.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 9:46 am
No Pam. I am not.But when you know about this you have to raise your voice against the daily killing pf Palestinians.Did you?Did Cal who posted this raise his voice?.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 9:50 am
OK what if Palestinians,the freedom fighters did the same as Dutch want to do.. Won't they be described as terrorist?.Why the double standards?
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 9:58 am
Abdessalam.....ONCE AGAIN....PLEASE PAY ATTENTION....this thread is about the Dutch, arresting BULLIES in HOLLAND!

It has nothing to do with the Palestinians, etc, etc, etc.

My opinions on that issue are none of your business.

Stop derailing this thread and start one of your own.....where you anti-Semites can babble to each other in bliss.
 

Eli T. (90)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 10:03 am
Abdessalam, I wonder if you noticed this posting was about Jews in Holland. You apear to be incapable of Jews being a subject without the Palestinian agenda stuck in the middle. At every corner that Palestinian Miskene propaganda absolutely musdt be pushed. Should we lable all muslims according to the works of Saudi arabia, or all christians according to the vatican? The fact being that you harrass Jews and Jewish subjects where ever u can. While you wish to biring up Oaths of the Hagana, one should also look at the many Oaths of any organization. Infact in such places as Hamastan No Oaths are nessassary. One will simpley be crusified, have ones knee's shot out or be subject to some other horrific barbarique torture if one does not comply. Try to look beyond your agenda and not be so upset that Holland is willing to do something for it's Jewish minority. I commend them for their fight against anti semitism and racism.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 10:14 am
Pam You can't accuse me of antisemitism because I am a semitic myself.
 

Eli T. (90)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 10:20 am
LMAO!!!! "if Palestinians,the freedom fighters did the same as Dutch want to do.. Won't they be described as terrorist" Dear Abdessalam, It seems You do not know the difference between an under cover police officer who upholds the law and protects the people, and terrorists who terrorist the people and break laws of many countries and commit murder even of their own people. What Holland is doing would be the same as a palastinian police officer pretending to be christian or fatah to catch hamas commiting acts of racism and killing them or torturing them as is sooo common in the PA.
 

Eli T. (90)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 10:47 am
Deari dee, Abdessalam, It seems that though in a court of law, you would possibley be considered a semite. The Oxford dictionary doesn't seem to recognise the term of antisemitism as applying to you. I quote "anti-Semitism (anti-Semitism)
Line-break:
OnOffPronunciation:/antiˈsɛmətɪzəm/noun
[mass noun]
hostility to or prejudice against JewsDerivatives
anti-Semite
noun".
It is a term that is soully used when implying hatred/racism towards JEWS of which you are not. Live with it. So according to the Oxford dictionary you are very much an anti semite and very much obsessed with the hating of jews world wide.
 

Terry B. (649)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 11:55 am
Eli's quotation from the Oxford English Dictionary is virtually the same as that in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, the authoritative source for American English.
 

Eli T. (90)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 12:20 pm
Due to a high IQ Terry you have already had your star allowance, but excpt these *stars* , *stars* , and many more *stars*
 

Peter B. (54)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 12:26 pm
noted shared thanks cal
 

Alexa R. (331)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 1:15 pm
Thanks Eli and Terry for those quotes from your dictionaries!

That clears up any confusing that may exist regards the term anti-semitie.

Stars and more stars for you two .. if I could send you more stars I would have done so...
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 4:33 pm
All right....Mr. Adbelwhateveryournameis....can we get back to the REAL point?

STOP TRYING TO DERAIL THREADS WITH YOUR ANTI=JEW TOPICS AND HATRED!

Is THAT clear enough?
 

writer fool (36)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 5:14 pm
thank you Eli T. This guy is toooo much!

Abdessalam.... so, it bothers you, does it thatPalestinian (arab) towns have been erased from the map...... How about this: In arab countries, and palestine ,which isnt really a country , it is arabs, and ony called palestine after the roman joke to rip the jews a new one) BUT lets get back to that bothersome thing of the towns which are gone....Arab maps of the world do not have Israel on them..... and i am sure you know this... Israel is non existant to them, to the point where arab children do not know there is a state of Israel.... you may be saddened at the towns that are not on the map....
How about an entire country that just disappears from Arab maps....????

I apologize for going off of the track of the subject, but abdessalam, the jew hater... I just had to respond to that garbage..... the one that really gets me to lmao is the remark of 'how can i be anti semetic if i am semetic also'...... boy you arabs just love to use that one.... LMAO.. give me another reason to feel sorry for you... pooooor you.
 

Deborah O. (98)
Saturday June 26, 2010, 9:15 pm
Every nation, every religious group, every race has had its problems with others. Hate is such a human constant that it finds room for expression even within members of the same religion. Ask Afghan minorities who died first when the Taliban came to town. The Dutch are at least trying to do something, and if decoy Jews works I hope others copy it. And it should work--the police in America have been doing the same thing with decoy women for a long time and it's been very effective where used.

But I do wish Care2 members wouldn't behave badly to each other. Many of us have strong feelings and many of us have experienced first hand the harm that hate crimes can do, whether they involve a single victim or a country full of victims. Usually where the deepest hatreds are involved there has been great suffering on both sides and there is blame to go around for everyone concerned. So, please, let's just remember that we are all born wanting and needing the same things. We are all human. We have more in common than we think and fewer differences than most of us will admit. And we have so much, sometimes even in those very differences, to love each other for. None of us is immune from the harm that hate can do but all of us have the ability to rise above it.
 

Eli T. (90)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 1:09 am
Deborah, Words of wisdom that all should hear. You are so right in all that you wrote. I don't think it makes a differance who the Dutch are using as a decoy, the fact is that they are trying in an interesting way to combat hate crimes. Holland is welll known for it's tolerance of different cultures and it's very peaceful people. This act should be seen for just what it is. To target those who are INTOLERANT. I commend them on their ingenuety (excuse the spelling lol)
 

Bon L. (0)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 5:12 am
Thanks for the article.
 

. (0)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 6:46 am
Decoys of this type are commonly used by many police forces. Police officers dress up as prostitutes to try and catch johns and vice versa. Officers pretend to be drug buyers in order to catch sellers. They infiltrate organized crime posing as criminals. If a rapist is targeting an area, female officers may take to the streets as decoy victims to try and catch the rapist. And so on.

I see no difference in what law enforcement is already doing and including fighting crimes committed against Jewish citizens in that attempt.
 

Eli T. (90)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 7:41 am
How interesting that those who are not anti semites also have complete understanding of this post and recognise it for what it is. Just another police undercover project and not an act to specifically protect JEW.
Then there is the other group!!! Who cannot stand the sound of the word JEW and run around after their tails proclaiming all sorts of Jew hatered. Interestingly too, these would be the exact people the police are searching out. Jew, black, or what ever word sets in action the verbal abuse and hate propaganda.
 

. (0)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 7:52 am
True, Eli. It isn't about protecting Jewish people. It's about trying to prevent crime. And if, say, Muslim citizens are also being victimized by criminals because of their religious or cultural affiliation, then police acting as 'Muslim decoys' would be very appropriate.
 

Dorothy Ferguson (32)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 12:38 pm
Okay okay lets take a breath here!! DIalogue and a forum for dialogue and if need be start a thread just for the Palestinian/Isreali situation and WE all could try and make the world a better place...maybe? Its Soccer time...maybe take some time off and enjoy a sport together. Soccer is a sport that is played all over the world!! I have lived all over the world andI truly detest war, poverty, bad manners, ill-will, mean hearts, sadistic emotions and brutal ways anywhere and it is so easy to combat-it starts at home and we pay it forward and pass it on. It takes courage - to be kind and strong,to do the right thing.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 12:46 pm
I am not amused by the harrassment but I am amused by 'decoy Jews'. It just brought up images of police women posing as hookers and it was all downhill after that.
 

Ian N. (13)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 4:05 pm
Good for the Dutch for not placing their heads in the sand and ignoring this problem. These Islamo-facists need to be stopped in their tracks!
 

Bev B. (1)
Sunday June 27, 2010, 9:36 pm
This is a brilliant idea! Since bait cars were introduced here, car theft has gone down about 40%. Have you ever watched the show ``What would you do`` with Jon Kinonus (totally misspelled his name), anyways stings are set up about a homeless man, a shop owner who resuses to serve a customer, and a whole bunch of other unjust situations, to see how people would react.
The bait Jew idea could also be used for those who perpetrate hate against any group that is targeted. Homosexuals, those that wear turbins, or Muslims.
Fortunatly here in Canada we have a very strong multi-cultural ethic, and all people are quite entrenched in all aspects of society.
We have a hilarious sitcom called Little Mosque On The Prairie. We have a national Aboriginal T.V. Network called ATN. All these things are very important tools to encompass all and deterr hate towards one group.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Monday June 28, 2010, 3:06 am
Thanks again Cal. I like what Bev B. says.
 

Liliana D. (124)
Monday June 28, 2010, 5:36 am
To the topic: yes the duch are doing the right think. I am against intolerance and racism of any kind.

Out of track: I am born and live in a region of Romania with so many different comunities, all religions included islamic, judaic, catholic, ortodox, etc. In centuries all comunities were integrated and live in peace and respect with each other's customs and religion, because NOBODY CLAME A TERITORY TO MAKE THEIR OWN STATE.
Crimes against humanity were since ever, only some were more insistently presented to the public attention. I think all people should put behind the past and look upon the crimes against humanity from the present. ALL OF THEM.

In the end: I would like that at least here, in 2care community, we would express our oppinion, pro and against a matter, without to get on each other and without to let hate dictating our words. Peace to all of you.
 

. (0)
Monday June 28, 2010, 7:17 am
Liliana, conflict between religious groups doesn't just happen when someone 'claims a territory to make their own state.' It has happened throughout history, throughout cultures, and in places and times where no state-building was occurring. Often it simply happens because groups believe they have the sole and immutable truth - and all others do not and are therefore to be hated or feared or exterminated. And so often the underlying cause really isn't about religion - it's about cultural differences or politics or a whole host of other things.
 

pam w. (191)
Monday June 28, 2010, 7:27 am
Power, Lindsey....it's about power! The power to silence others, whether it's by hijacking threads, screaming at funerals or insidiously multiplying until your outnumber "the others." Religion has always been about power, hasn't it?

Good luck on that not letting hate "dictate our words" business, Liliana....all you need to do is mention JEWS here and the haters jump out of the woodwork!
 

. (0)
Monday June 28, 2010, 7:37 am
True to some extent here on C2, Pam. Though on the Israel/Palestine threads, not everyone who is pro-Palestinian is an anti-semite, since one can legitimately criticize Israel without necessarily hating the Jewish people. But some do both, of course.
 

Bev B. (1)
Monday June 28, 2010, 8:29 am
I like your vibe, Liliana, green star shooting off your way :)
 
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