Friday July 23, 2010, 6:51 pm
Can anyone name another freedom movement that is this effective??? No? Mother Jones can kiss my %#$. Most everything is ran by ego and retardation especially mother jones, at least the people belonging to the Tea Party are trying to set things right (for the most part), unlike a bitchy liberal magazine that does nothing but keep people bickering.

Friday July 23, 2010, 7:05 pm
I'll take that "bitchy little magazine" over a media conglomerate that intermingles gossip, innuendo and "entertainment" to pose for the news for the intellectually challenged any time, any where.

Friday July 23, 2010, 7:11 pm
ME also Locan

Friday July 23, 2010, 7:37 pm
Derek, I realize it may not be in history books so ask someone that was there; the free speech movement, combined with civil rights and womens equality movements among others combined efforts galvanized by horrific events to stop a war and bring down a corrupted President. Unfortunately, following generations never picked up the torch to finish the job and most Americans then conformed to become the establishment allowing Corporacracy leaving the clusterf&^# we have today.

As long as it is more important to alienate those you do not agree with 100% and not form consensus on the most basic American values, your "movement" will never grow beyond it's astroturf status.

Present day Tea-baggers couldn't hold the jock-strap of the combined movements of the sixties. Do what Corporate America and the US Government did and learn from it. Unless of course it's more important as you say, to feed your ego and be retarded.

Friday July 23, 2010, 7:38 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Cynthia because you have done so within the last week.

Friday July 23, 2010, 8:46 pm
You'll have to make a Youtube so he can understand you.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 2:41 am
Noted. Thanks

Saturday July 24, 2010, 4:58 am
Noted. Thank you, Cal. There'll be a lot of $ to be made at this march.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 5:24 am
One can only hope with all the brilliant people running all these various shows, it splits all the votes. Is truly a shame they only get their news from Fox and other Murdock "news" sources.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 5:29 am
They are all plugged up to the same Brain, I think it's Carl Roves.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 5:37 am
Derek K., I would like to know one positive thing the Tea Party Movement has accomplished. I can't think of a single thing.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 6:24 am
Thank God the Tea Party has not yet spread to Canada

Saturday July 24, 2010, 7:10 am
Michelle, I can't imagine the Tea Party spreading outside of the US. They are too rooted in USA USA USA to think of anything on a global level. But you never know, it's become a money maker for greedy, short sighted individuals so keep your eyes and ears open.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 7:52 am
A positive thing the Tea Party movement has brought is more awareness to the invasion of our liberties. To be honest they don't have the best organization and it could be a lot more effective if they would quit screwing around and drop the egos. I won't join the Tea Party because they are becoming too corporate. That is the problem with these groups, and your right they have no global concept, but we need to fix the problems here and now before we continue our world policing. These groups never have a middle ground. No one has a group that is just plain good for people, and willing to defend themselves. No one ever seems to have their eyes wide open. I am not a Zeitgeister but there are truths that are so obvious they are overlooked. I believe in gun control to an extent, but not totalitarian gun control. There is a great movie called Innocents Betrayed, it is historically accurate, check it out. The media can not be trusted whether it be Fox or MSNBC, they all lie and are only interested in their views, the unbiased media is a thing of the past. Personally I like the way Arizona is doing things, I've been thinking of moving there.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 8:14 am
Derek, if these people were so concerned with the invasion (erosion) of our Liberties, as you suggest, where were they when the Bush Gestapo started taking them away? It is just to discredit the Dems.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 8:40 am
I have to wonder if 90% of the Tea Baggers are even aware what it is exactly that they are fussing about? Then I have to wonder if they have any, ANY, better suggestions on what to do or how to do it. Or are they just great at whining and moaning?

Saturday July 24, 2010, 10:42 am
Me also Locan

Saturday July 24, 2010, 11:09 am
Groups have to start some time, they can't have always been there. Unfortunately because Bush was a republican most of them turned a blind eye, its a shame too. Yes I believe in part it is to discredit Dems, but as far as I'm concerned there is only one party called the "Self Serve" party. They all suck and choosing sides is an excellent way to ensure "divide and conquer's" continuity. The worst part is that no one yet has mentioned another party that has been this effective, and that is really really sad.
No, none of the Tea Baggers as you so eloquently put it, really understands everything that is going on, we need a group that relishes what is right and not endorse any F'in party or individual. We need a no iconic representation of the people, we don't need Obama, Glen Beck, Hannity, Pailin, Reid, Pelosi or any of those idiots. I endorse no party, except maybe in part the libertarian party, but they are pretty half cocked themselves.
So here we are bickering and defending ourselves instead of being proactive. How far do any of you think this conversation will go? It will most likely never make it out of this topic. Everyone is informing everyone else what is going on but what has this solved, have any of us risen from the ashes of a once great country to wake people up and re instill what it means to be American, human, free? Nope but we will spend countless hours debating all the while feeling a slight sense of an accomplishment that was never there to begin with.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 11:50 am
You cannot currently send a star to Derek because you have done so within the last week.

So what do you suggest, Derek?

Saturday July 24, 2010, 12:19 pm
I say we create an eclectic political organization with a set of written guidelines, and infallible ideas. Prevention from infiltration of big business and self serving politics, those who endorse us do so of their own accord and stand to gain nothing from their support. We form a new party, and find a few candidates that follow the general mindset. A well balanced equation of what is good for people and the planet. We exploit the business of big politics. No one in the party has anything to do with lobbying, and not have nor will have $10,000,000 in liquid assets in their name, etc. A no nonsense approach to politics, we remain transparent and honest. We will gain notoriety through the exploitation of the government and since most no longer trust the government it should not be hard to do. Every board member will take a lie detector test to ensure they are honest and trustworthy. In your face brutal honesty. Take no crap, take no prisoners. Basically create a third political party that refuses to be recognized as independent. We eat the other politicians alive, we never apologize for telling the truth. We exploit, oppose, and ruin the self serving government we have to the point of extinction. We utilize the best of both parties and make it better.
OK a lot of you are saying that it is impossible, but if everyone who said its impossible came together it would be more than possible, it would be a reality. Stop hating, and start coming together, they're divide and conquer technique works all to well. This country is falling apart and those who see it don't think they can help and everyone else has their blinders on, all the while the government is laughing at us. If anyone is interested for real PM me and maybe we can do something.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 1:28 pm
Twisted.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 1:35 pm
The Tea Party supporters just seem to be a lot of angry white people complaining about taxes and the government. What government programs would they like to cut? What kind of tax cuts do they want? and how will the tax cuts be paid for? The Tea Party slogans just sound like recycled Republican material from the Reagan era.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 2:14 pm
Boy that sure is twisted huh... Because the way it works right now is as good as it gets. I don't care about tax cuts as much as I do about overspending. OK Lynn how would you fix America? And try to make it sound less twisted than me OK. A real plan not just what you think it should be.

Saturday July 24, 2010, 2:33 pm
noted and shared thankyou Cal

Saturday July 24, 2010, 2:45 pm
Noted!

Saturday July 24, 2010, 5:25 pm
Derek, you should care about the tax cuts, though.

"Together with the economic downturn, the Bush tax cuts and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq explain virtually the entire deficit over the next ten years". This article just rips apart the Heritage Foundation analysis.

Critics Still Wrong on What’s Driving Deficits in Coming Years
Economic Downturn, Financial Rescues, and Bush-Era Policies Drive the Numbers

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036

Then, there's this

"The new CBO data (2005, Bush-era) show that changes in law enacted since January 2001 increased the deficit by $539 billion in 2005. In the absence of such legislation, the nation would have a surplus this year. Tax cuts account for nearly half — 48 percent — of this $539 billion in increased costs. [1] Increases in program spending make up the other 52 percent and have been primarily concentrated in defense, homeland security, and international affairs." Notice that spending problems are not in Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security.

CBO Data Show Tax Cuts Have Played Much Larger Role than Domestic Spending Increases in Fueling the Deficit

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=966

Saturday July 24, 2010, 9:34 pm
Like Locan, I'll take the "bitchy" magazine over the cough cough, cough,
TEa Party. They are rasists, liers, and twist the facts.

Excuse me, but I prefer the FACTS, simply the facts.

JO

Saturday July 24, 2010, 9:46 pm
Let's be naive and idealistic shall we? How about a World Human Party? we all want the same thing: happiness. I'm sure we can come to some agreement on that...

Saturday July 24, 2010, 10:18 pm
The "tea party" movement is attempting to align itsself with those in our past who were considered liberal radicals in their time....and it's an absolute joke. Keep in mind folks that the first illigals arrived in this country when the first non Native American set foot on this soil.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 6:07 am
The progress reply to hate and anger....try the ideas and hope of the brilliant, patriot Van Jones....
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/van-jones-full-speech-sherrod-is-a-teachable-moment-about-hope-video.php

Sunday July 25, 2010, 8:07 am
Derek K, you just revealed your stupidity and ignorance! I'll take 'Mother Jones' over any neonazi piece of crap you would read! Obama won in 2006. GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sunday July 25, 2010, 8:09 am
Derek K, you just revealed your stupidity and ignorance! I'll take 'Mother Jones' over any neonazi piece of crap you would read! Obama won in 2008. GET OVER IT Due to the lack of light where I am sitting, accidently hit the six key instead of the eight key.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 8:12 am
would like to know one positive thing the Tea Party Movement has accomplished. I can't think of a single thing.

I see the Tea Party movement as a neonazi movement. Only proudly stupid and ignorant, and very self-conceited little twerps join that movement.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 8:30 am
Derek, after reading your subsequent posts, I decided there is more hope for you after all. However, you like what Arizona is doing. But how do you like the likelihood of the racial profiling very likely to come with it? I don't, and I'm not even Hispanic.

Derek, it comes down to not Republican versus Democrat, this is basically class struggle. The powers that be (especially the corporations and those who gained their wealth by crooked methods) dream of keeping those of us have-nots who survive the bad economy, and use us as slave labor. They want the whole world to be like the Antebellum south, and they want to go back the the "gilded age" when workers worked for pennies on the dollar, except, in their wet dreams of avarice and inhumane hatefulness for the working class, we will all be working for NOTHING. Those "unfit" for hard labor will be gassed. The elderly, disabled, and anyone else considered "unfit" will be killed. It is this "Old South" concept for the whole world that the corporatists want. I guess they figure that at some point, it won't matter if money isn't made for goods and services anymore, they won't need to bleed the middle-class and poor for their money. The wealthy and corporatists will have it all. An international ARMED civil revolt against these big corporations that gave themselves bonuses at our expense, and take THEM down at will and on sight. It is the would-be slave class against their greedy cruel masters, that is what this is all coming down to. The recessions is their "tool" to empty our pockets.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 8:42 am
"Keep in mind folks that the first illigals arrived in this country when the first non Native American set foot on this soil."

Brace yourself Amber for the inevitable "We are Native Americans" whine from the usual WASPs nest.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 9:51 am
Thank you for sharing!

Sunday July 25, 2010, 12:47 pm
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Derek because you have done so within the last week.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 12:52 pm
*** Present day Tea-baggers couldn't hold the jock-strap of the combined movements of the sixties. ***

A large percentage of the Tea Party Patriots WERE the movement of the 60's

Sunday July 25, 2010, 12:54 pm
It has been fascinating watching so many prove Derek right.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 1:01 pm
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Locan because you have done so within the last week.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 1:08 pm
It sure has.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 1:16 pm
***The Tea Party supporters just seem to be a lot of angry white people complaining about taxes and the government. What government programs would they like to cut? What kind of tax cuts do they want? and how will the tax cuts be paid for? The Tea Party slogans just sound like recycled Republican material from the Reagan era***


Obviously not paying attention.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 2:33 pm
We are a critical point in US history where the monied elites are basically saying "we do not need the government, or the middle class anymore. Screw 'em. We are taking everything we can. So long suckers." The flea beggars are basically aiding and abetting these criminals. When the dust has settled, and the corporations snatched everything up, the flea beggars will be left out in the cold with everyone else that they demonized and spat upon as being un-American. That is the tragedy of this movement - that these people are just tools that do not realize that the people they are supporting do not give a crap about them, and really do not have their interests at heart. They will be discarded as soon as they are no longer useful to the monied elites.

This is not a "freedom" movement, it is a "short-sighted selfishness" movement. It's more about preserving class privilege in the face of a changing world.

As far asa majority of this movement being made up of sixties activists, all I can say is "prove it." Where's your evidence? Or do you simply spew misinformation like other flea beggars?

Sunday July 25, 2010, 2:53 pm
Tea baggers: dazed and confused would be the most generous description. Hypocrisy and ignorance on parade would be the most accurate.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 4:22 pm
PURE HOGWASH!!!!!!!!!!

Sunday July 25, 2010, 4:27 pm
I was going to put my 2 cents in but I believe William has summed it up nicely and Norm has added the finishing touch.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 4:45 pm
*Quote* Deborah

I see the Tea Party movement as a neonazi movement. Only proudly stupid and ignorant, and very self-conceited little twerps join that movement.

Wow I think anything that does not follow your ideals is a neonazi movement. The only neonazi movement I see here is of the elites and our government. Before you commented saying I was racially profiling because I liked Arizona. Well, what you call racial profiling I call a general consensus. I call it like I see it. If 98% of the illegals in Arizona are Mexican why should we treat everyone else like criminals? Just to appease your political mindedness? Whatever. Almost all of the Arabs in the country are in Dearborn Michigan, so where should we look for terrorists? I know we will start in Idaho because we don't want to seem racist. Being politically correct all the time is a waste of time and energy. Deborah as far as I'm concerned you have your head so far up your ;) I'm not surprised you haven't heard anything I've said. Try reading the rest of my posts before you ruffle you feathers and jump to conclusions about who I am. Live in your tiny perfect world with you 2-6 cats you have, and hope one day you can find a man thats worth a crap, or even deal with yours. Spend all of you extra time reading poetry, and picketing animal euthanization clinics. So how do you like being profiled because thats what you did to me (just not as bad), so I guess we can have personality profiling but not racial profiling? So if I took that to court and went to the liberal media, and got a bunch of crybabies to shed a tear for me, would you feel less inclined to make assumptions about a person before you speak?
I will however agree with almost everything in the last paragraph of your last post. All I said was that the Tea Party had brought more awareness to the destruction of our liberties than any other group that exists now, and you talk to me like I'm kissing Glenn Beck's ass. At least they are active (are you? no hmmm) even if they are much less than perfect. And no I don't watch Fox news, I read newspapers from around the planet so I can get a real fricking clue about whats going on, not read what others want me to think.

Deborah, you also wanted me to "get over the fact Obama won", well guess what, I hated McCain as much as I do Obama, so what the F was there to get over, the fact no one had a choice about what shit president they wanted?

As far as tax and program cuts:
No medical coverage for illegal immigrants. The USA is not an insurance program.
No financial support for illegal immigrants.
Smaller federal government. More and more agencies are created everyday and many are still growing.
Get rid of the federal reserve. Oh no that sounds like Tea Party talk to me, I don't want to hear it. LOL
No more international assistance to countries that will never give what they receive.
Make marijuana legal. Why? How much do you think it costs law enforcement every year for a substance that is considerably safer than alcohol?
Redo the Penal system for that matter. Prisons cost too much. I like public lashings, and putting people in the military, you?

Direct income tax by the federal government is illegal. This was to prevent the formation of a government so large that it could challenge its people. Taxation without representation. It is a continuation of a voluntary tax called the Victory Tax, its just no longer voluntary.

Conner
I like the idea of a world human party even if you are being sarcastic. But I think we can all agree on a few points especially being safe, happy, and healthy.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 6:49 pm
Thank you very much for sharing..interesting article!

Sunday July 25, 2010, 8:34 pm
The tea baggers could be a threat when they actually elect somebody.
Right now they've won a few primaries.

Sunday July 25, 2010, 8:52 pm
Thanks for post Cal.

Monday July 26, 2010, 2:14 am
Rather along the lines of Alice in Wonderland and the Mad Hatter!

Monday July 26, 2010, 6:26 am
Edward that is a very offensive name.

Monday July 26, 2010, 7:21 am
In answer to Derreck K: bickering is a word I would not use. However, as with any movement, Tea Party or other, questioning and debate are vital before a reasonable consensus of opinion can be reached.
If you want to go blindly into the position of just accepting what is said without putting it under any real scrutiny, then one gets to a position of supporting an unknown quantity. What happened in other Countries around the World, when dissent and reasoned opposition finished up as tantamount to treason, should be a lesson to us all. Try reading up on some recent history and don't make the same mistakes that ultimately allowed oppressive regimes to flourish.

Monday July 26, 2010, 7:55 am
The individual that I am responding to is Derek K, and not Derreck K as I have inserted in Monday, July 26th, 2010, 07.21am.: apologies.

Monday July 26, 2010, 8:10 am
Edward; I agree with you totally. When I talk about bickering I'm speaking of the common individual not actual political agendas. I think you have made more sense than anyone else here. My views are mine alone, whether or not anyone agrees with me is fine. I understand what you are saying about recent history and I can relate to that, but there comes a time when radical change is needed due to time constraints. The comma rouge, nazi party, Pinochet, and many others are examples of what to avoid.

Our government is a prime example of "tantamount to treason", based on their disregard for the constitution. Remember, the constitution was written by people who experienced oppressive regimes, so a society could not become that which they detested. We were once the envy of the world, a paradise in which you could live freely, but as of late it seems we are becoming that which others ran from.

I would suggest everyone to watch a movie called "Innocents Betrayed". It is a film created by Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. They speak mostly about what happens when a government collect your arms, and the events that took place prior to, but it is historically accurate and should be moderately appreciated by even the most anti-gun minded people. It also includes film and photos. They go through several accounts throughout history where the oppression of the people started with gun control. The horrors that ensued shortly after are unimaginable. If anyone has seen this, please post your thoughts on the movie. I will challenge any anti-gun minded person to watch this movie and tell me you still oppose "The right to keep and bear arms". Watching this movie will open your mind to what is going on around you because what happened then is happening now.

Monday July 26, 2010, 5:54 pm
I personally feel no "invasion of my liberties" just now, much less than I felt in the last administration. I have often wondered what those currently screaming about "taking back their country/government" (the Tea-Party folks)are going to DO with it. They never actually SAY anything, except "free enterprise" over and over, and that is just great unless you look at where this country was until Obama tried to rescue it from a financial collapse.
I find government agencies rather scary in general, until I really need one. I find the NRA VERY scary, because even though I support our right to "bear arms", I do not support the right of any citizen being able to buy ANY assault weapon they choose. This is happening, I just learned of a troubled young man who now owns an assault weapon legally. I resent that anyone can go out and "blow away" wildlife many of us cherish, or because they don't like the way somebody looks. I also wonder what the Tea-Party will do with the environment, live in a "bubble" after they destroy it?

Monday July 26, 2010, 11:06 pm
You watch the news too much. Also I will not debate much in the lines of gun issues until you have watched the movie I described above. The young man may be troubled but he is not a felon if he owns it legally. I think you are referring to his psychological state and if that is true than don't you think people should have psychological evaluations before they have children? Just to make sure they won't beat or molest them. You sound like you watch too much news with the way you speak about weapons, and your idea of people blowing away wild life is unfounded. By thinning out populations of animals there is enough food during the winter in the north to sustain the remaining population so less are harvested than would starve otherwise. Controlling animal populations is a fine science, not just a bunch of gun toting rednecks and tea partiers getting there rocks off by blowin holes in defenseless animals. None of the presidents have "rescued us from financial collapse", only furthered it. I respect most all political views until they sound like the regurgitation of the mainstream media, which you do.

Tuesday July 27, 2010, 10:59 am
Well Derek, I did not insult YOU personally. I expressed some of my feelings about comments I'd read, which is what we do here. If you found my comment inferior, that is your right, because I certainly don't pretend to have all the answers or be a "great brain". I do know that although I am all for "the people" standing up to to the government, the "tea-party" is not the one I can support. I came up with that all by myself! But you are QUITE presumptuous in your accusations; I get my news from reading, listening to an alternative, non-profit radio station that presents ALL sides (far from "mainstream"), watching what is going on around me, and yes I do sometimes watch the news. "Controlling animal populations is a fine science"; how about not letting the gun toting rednecks kill off the NATURAL predators? The NRA is more "mainstream" than my ideas, and they are very powerful. I hear nothing about what is happening to wildlife on the news by the way. But I've heard some tea-party people talk about how they are stocking up on their weapons, so they can be prepared to fight the evil Obama administration, and I did NOT hear that on "the news".

Wednesday July 28, 2010, 6:34 am
Patricia, what is an assault weapon?

Thursday July 29, 2010, 9:51 am
NE, you probably already know that the definition is rather broad. I was referring to an AK-47.

Thursday July 29, 2010, 9:56 am
Thanks...as long as you know that ANY weapon can be considered an assault weapon. I think that if any thug cqan buy it on the street, I should be able to get it legally to protect myself with equal firepower.

Thursday July 29, 2010, 10:23 am
I was thinking that same thing when you asked me the question, that ANY weapon can be assault weapon I mean. I do not disagree that we should legally be able to protect ourselves. I personally think it is kind of a complicated issue, and didn't intend to get in a debate about it here. It is my fault for bringing it up in reaction to some of Derek's inane comments. I do not see the government "collecting our arms", and it was Obama who decided to not push for the reinstatement of the Assault Weapons Ban.

Thursday July 29, 2010, 11:29 am
Right, because he is up for re-election and he knows that is political suicide.

Thursday July 29, 2010, 1:17 pm
I seriously doubt that NE, I imagine it is because he is a man who sees all sides of issues, which I happen to know can be a mixed blessing. However powerful the NRA thinks they are, the president has far more pressing issues to worry about. Whenever I have heard the NRA speak, their main issue seems to preserve their right to hunt wildlife. The right to go out and kill bears, wolves, coyotes and other natural predators. Then of course, it is more justfiable to "cull" other animals who's population has exploded because "we" have killed off the natural predators. Those who supported the reinstatetment of the ban in 2008 were Republicans, just so you know.