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Israeli PM Criticizes Palestinian Unity Effort


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Cal
- 1279 days ago - news.yahoo.com
Israel's prime minister criticized Palestinian efforts for national unity in an interview with the U.S. cable news channel CNN, suggesting Palestinian moderates must choose either peace with Israel or reconciliation with Hamas militants.



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Cal Mendelsohn (992)
Friday March 18, 2011, 4:31 am
In my opinion, this effort will fail, because above all else, like the article states "the U.S. and Europe, which give Abbas' administration hundreds of millions of dollars in aid every year, consider Hamas a terrorist organization and are unlikely to support a government that includes the group."
 

Carrie B. (304)
Friday March 18, 2011, 8:52 am
I watched the interview and was not thrilled with anything I heard. I was especially taken with th PM's suggestion that the US should lead in a "military" action against Iran if sanctions don't work there. How wonderful of him to once again try to draw this country into a conflict to help Israel!
 

Carol H. (229)
Friday March 18, 2011, 1:56 pm
noted, thanks Cal
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday March 18, 2011, 8:38 pm
It will be in America and the World's interests to remain staunch supporters of Israel. It is our only REAL ally in the Middle East. The P.A and Hamas have shown time and time again they are NOT to be trusted.
It is appalling that no mention has been made in the media of the horrific murders on the 11th March of an Israeli family by Palestinian terrorists..............now has the shoe been on the other foot!!!
 

Carrie B. (304)
Friday March 18, 2011, 8:55 pm
Patricia and edw, those murders were horrific and should be condemned, just as the murder of an elderly Palestinian man by Israeli soldiers was. I am a strong supporter of both the Israeli people and the Palestinian people, but I have little faith in either of their governments. I believe Piers Morgan's suggestion to Netanyahu that he take the high ground and become "the bigger man" in peace negotiations is the right thing to do. Vowing to build more apartments for more Israelis is not the act of a Prime Minister who wants peace.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday March 18, 2011, 11:24 pm
Our comment for the most part was the lack of any media coverage about this horrific crime - the youngest victim to be stabbed to death being 4 months old.
 

Carrie B. (304)
Friday March 18, 2011, 11:31 pm
I saw several stories about it on various news sites. It did not receive the coverage the Israeli army slaughters did, probably because of who committed the crime rather than the crime itself. The military is always held to a higher standard for obvious reasons. Since I have a son who is career military, I understand this. I am not sure others do. All are still horrific crimes which should be punished in a court of law!
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 12:48 am
I see Cal is still towing the NWO line then. What are you getting out of this then Cal? Are you one of these Pentagon paid monkeys that get paid to run ten or more accounts spouting this nonsense in the hope that some other chump will take some of it on board? Or are you just another sucker who has fallen foul to the propaganda machine?

I see that this particular ‘story’ is actually government authorised propaganda. Take a paragraph and Google it. You will see it on thousands of social media sites, exactly as it is here. This is because ‘they’ (the NWO gimps) have got this software that auto-posts it across every possible place on the net more or less simultaneously. This is impressive to see how your tax dollars are working for you. Don’t you see, when they want your opinion they will give you one. Cal was the name of a computer in a sci-fi movie I believe, perhaps no such human exists. That would explain why I don’t get answers to my posts and why this unfathomable support for rascals and demons - computers don’t have a conscience or a heart.

The Israeli government is a despicable monster. Anyone in their right mind can so easily see this. They don’t even try to hide it anymore. If they wanted peace they would stop their torture and oppression but it is clear they have no wish for peace. Why would they? It’s all going to plan right Cal?

Time for some facts;
Hamas are one of the few governments that only spend 13% of their resources on defence. America spends around 50% on its military. Hamas have never initiated a conflict; they were born out of one and voted in with a massive majority by democratic process.

It is not helpful to differentiate the evil acts of Israeli government forces with that of Hamas or other resistance fighting in Palestine. Both have killed civilians. How can one be a terrorist and one be legitimate? They are the same... almost.

The only differences are in the proportion; Hamas managed a few bombs and pitifully small rockets against the outrageous might of the 4th largest army in the world, rather like the IDF soldier remorsefully described in the 2008 slaughter – it is just like squashing bugs. And the geography; in 1948, Israel forced Palestinians out of their homes to make way for itself even though they were offered more than half of the land freely. Rather nice offer considering there was only a 7% Jewish population and they were offered 55% of the land.

Surely if you are on your own soil, defending your own soil, against an invading force that won’t allow a proper surrender and treats its prisoners according to international laws you cannot possibly be labelled terrorists?

Israel has broken almost every law in the book (International Humanitarian Law and the Geneva Convention), they have over 225 UN resolutions against them condemning and deploring their vile behaviour and they continue to murder, oppress and steal mercilessly (Palestine have never been criticised ever by the UN and has no resolutions against it whatsoever). It is utterly diabolical. The people they are doing this to are mostly children – 750,000 of them. These poor kids are growing up in rubble and watching their families and friends executed in front of them for no reason. They are often the direct target of bored snipers as well.

I do hope I am challenged on some of this so I can lay the boot in even more and please, anyone that is reading this don’t take my word for it – do your own research but don’t bother using the CFR news channels; they are owned by the same people that I am exposing for the dirt they truly are. Use a wide variety of independent sources and look at film footage on you tube. Cameras don’t lie as much. I guarantee that once you have seen some of the clips and documentaries you will feel every bit as strongly as I do.

I am no supporter of terrorism; I condemn outright all attacks that may harm innocent people. My stance on the resistance fighters in Palestine is no different from that of the UN. I find it very hard to condemn them in the face of the atrocity they have suffered and that they continue to suffer on a daily basis. They are no more than a flea on a Rottweiler. Apart from a very vocal heart and conscience I am also very religious. Judaism is my second favourite faith so please don’t call me anti Semitic, religion has nothing to do with this at all.

Anyone putting up with this level of ghastliness is bound to call for their oppressor’s destruction. They would be insane not to. Muslims are bound by their faith to cease hostilities and to forgive as soon as their oppressors cease hostilities against them and set them free. They never started any of this and would be only too pleased for their families to be safe for once.

We are told by our mainstream news in the UK (The BBC) that al Qaeda has never existed in reality so Netanyahu was right about a peace deal with them being tricky. Apparently a database that the CIA had of a few Afghan resistance fighters (against the Russians) that they were secretly funding and arming was called “The Base” in Arabic (Al Qaeda). This is also slang for the toilet so it is even less likely that an Arab would wish to call himself that and more likely it was a CIA crafted, rather racist joke. I guess the name stuck and then when deals were being made with Osama B. he was forced to adopt it if he wanted to continue getting paid. Osama never had any real power; he has never been more than a “show pony”, paraded in front of the trusting west. In order to try to convince the western public he was some big operator, the BBC tells us that mercenaries were hired for the day to appear on one of his films for propaganda purposes. The film after 9/11 wasn’t even the same Osama.

What rot this article really is! Talking about an Independent state of Palestine is ridiculous. It cannot happen any more than any other prison can be an independent state. What difference would it make to anything even if there was division between Abbas and Hamas? They are all just inmates of a huge open prison with less protection, less food, less water, less shelter and less human rights. Well no human rights at all for the many they summary execute.

Palestinians have been protesting their torture for 62 years, no one hears them because the NWO owns the media and it has a huge interest in Israel because of the few elitist plutocratic imperialist monsters living there. Most people think it is some evenly matched, complicated conflict they are having thanks to the propaganda machine.

“Previous attempts at reconciliation have failed” – yes, Israel broke every ceasefire because they never had any wish to make deals or be fair about things. They wanted genocide and that is almost what they have achieved. They even gloated about the Dier Yassin massacre of men, women and children (107 executed) I believe the quote from the head of one of the Jewish terrorist groups was “Splended”, “As in Dier Yassin, so everywhere, we will attack and smite the enemy. God, God, Thou has chosen us for conquest”. This same lunatic, Menachem Begin went on to become the first president of Israel. Zionist forces committed 33 massacres altogether at that time. It is disgusting and they should be ashamed of this violent past but instead they continue act in a similar manner but try to keep it just below the humanitarian radar. Unfortunately this self confessed “Lunatic State” cannot always keep a lid on its bloodlust so there are instances that still draw huge condemnation but what can we do?

How can there ever be peace with a homicidal maniac? Israel knows that the “chances for an agreement soon are seen as slim” because it will never allow it.

So now, at the end of this fairytale report that Cal has put his name to, you see how charitable the west is towards their poor Palestinian friends. Apparently they give them charity but I am not so sure. If they do, perhaps it would just be kinder to allow them to finish building a house before they bulldoze it a dozen times in a row (or allow them to have building materials). Perhaps it would be better not to put bullet holes and explosives in every working engine in Palestine. How about allowing fishermen to fish without setting fire to their boat after they just rebuilt it from the last time it was destroyed? Why not be really charitable and not blow up every water source and pump for miles? Why not allow all their children to grow up without killing any of them or filling their heads with shrapnel?* Perhaps if you let them have any resemblance of a life they would be able to look after themselves.

Perhaps if you didn’t fund their oppression and slaughter to the tune of over five billion dollars every year since long before I was thinking of politics Israel would have to leave them alone.


*Reference to Amal; aged nine from the documentary “True Stories: War Child”. The most beautifully natured and the bravest child on earth and one of the reasons I sat up all night writing this. May God protect her and keep her all her brothers and sisters safe. May the metal inside her brain not damage her or give her such awful headaches and may God grace her with courage and patience ameen summa ameen.
 

bj. shaw (61)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 11:55 am
It is a sad thing that either side would not engage in peace talks. If neither side is willing to discuss peace then it simply will not be achieved.

It was a sad thing what the Israelite people endured at the hands of the Nazi. It is sadder sill that many of the abused became abusers themselves. Antisemitism and Islamaphobia are two halves of the same coin, prejudice breeds Prejudice and hate breads hate. The Zionist Party of Israel has done to the people of Palestine precisely what the Nazis did the Israelite people is the Shoah or if you prefer the holocaust stopping just sort of the death chambers. Segregation is a problem not a solution.

However doubtful I have hoped for peace in the Middle East in my lifetime I would love to see it. Even in my children's life time but it is far more likely if it is allowed to continue this way not to be seen even in my grandchildren's lifetime.

I would also like to state that there are many programs that are inclusive and bring Muslim and Israeli children together who are orphaned as they true victims of this war. Not all the Israeli or Muslims wish the fighting to continue but many of the radicals from both sides will not stop until they have wiped the others out. It is a shame that it is most often those in power on both sides who hold this view.
 

John Y. (76)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 1:11 pm
Thanks for the article.
 

Ian Donelson (149)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 1:18 pm
Noted.
 

Jon Stewart (37)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 1:26 pm
Unfortunately, our President has seen fit to use his first UN veto to prevent yet another resolution that would have put moral pressure on the Zio-nazis to stop expanding their illegal settlements in Palestine. It's bad enough that he sold out his principles to "reach across the aisle" and led his charge for "Hope & Change" flying the white flag of surrender... now this...
http://www.truth-out.org/obama-veto-peace-process-resolution-rejects-international-law68553
No wonder this country's so-called diplomats are stumbling around, not knowing what to say or do... TRUE democracy is spreading, and we've lost our concept of what that (and the rule of law) means.
 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 3:20 pm
Well i think Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyhau,

hit the nail right on the HEAD.

Long Live ISRAEL, Long live the JEWISH people.

Shalom
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 3:52 pm
Scott Freewheeler - Cal and anyone on this post are at liberty to put their opinion and seem to have done so in a civilised manner. Then we have to get someone like you creeping out of the woodwork and trading insults. You should not waste your time here Scott until you have PROPERLY RESEARCHED the fodder you come out with and can do it with intelligence and humility...and Mazel Tov to you.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 5:24 pm
Of course everyone is entitled to their [one] opinion but the trouble is that my single opinion is drowned out by this story that I am getting 115,000 hits on Google UK, word for word hits on the whole article, all on the same day.

It took me most of the night to write and post my one article when NWO propaganda computers can post theirs to 115,000 websites with the push of a button.

Unfortunately I don’t have 2.4 million dollars of Pentagon (taxpayers) money for the software to reply to all of them but on this particular one you are all busted!

The other 114,999 will have to go unchallenged but it is better than nothing.

I am disappointed that some think my post wasn’t thoroughly researched enough; especially as I am almost one of the ‘single-issue’ types that don’t research or write about much else. Perhaps you would like to correct me on any of my errors? Or do you think I should have written more? I do have many more points I could mention....

Thank you for the link Jon. It is an extremely balanced, professional and well written factual account of the difficulties in reaching a solution. It puts my unusually emotional rant to shame.

I will admit to having extreme physical duress at the time I was writing that and I had just watched the most heart and soul destroying documentary in existence*. I know this is no excuse for the tone of my post above and Cal, if you are not a computer and/or you do have feelings I apologise. It was nothing personal. The facts I listed are all true to the best of my knowledge and I will stand by what I said; although I do regret the overall tone.

It is not directed at Israeli people in general, many of which are against this oppressive policy. I have nothing against Zionism either, I agree that everyone deserves a homeland; just not at the expense of anothers and not accomplished with violence. I am rather impressed with the Zionist Judge Richard Goldstone. My frustration mixed with heartbreak was directed at the plutocracy that is the New World Order and their evil ways.

*Unfortunately I can’t find this documentary online anywhere. (http://www.channel4.com/programmes/war-child)

From Jon’s link, I believe of particular value and relevance here are the two following paragraphs;

Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention - to which both Israel and the United States are signatories - prohibits any occupying power from transferring "parts of its civilian population into the territory it occupies." (what?! Surely then settlements are illegal?)

“When it comes to the settlements, there is no question that the Palestinian position is consistent with international law and the broad international consensus of what is necessary for a just and lasting peace, and the Israeli position is not.” (truth doesn’t come much clearer than that).
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 5:39 pm
This information has been traded ad infinitum Scott. You had us fooled thinking you were not anti-semetic in your thoughts and comments. If you care to look back over the past 70 odd decades you might note something of considerable interest - ie. how the 'settlements' came into being and how and why Israel reacts as it does. When war has been continually declared on such a tiny - and I mean 'TINY' - go look at the map then one can clearly see that there will never be any peace in the Middle East until the P.A et al agree to RECOGNISE Israel's right to live in peace and desist in spewing out the venomous hatred against it! The 'Settlement' issue might very well be settled to everyone's satisfaction. However, don't hold your breath Scott because most of the Palestinians and Hamas do NOT WANT PEACE.......Hasn't this been obvious to you??
 

Dale Must (20)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 6:37 pm
The Jewish people fought for their land and improved it through hard work. If your neighbor bombarded you and your family, what would you do? The Palestinians have no infrastructure such as ample schools, roads, etc. What are their leaders doing with the money? The Arab League and Red Crescent(Arab Red Cross) haven't done anything to bolster the Palestinian economy such as investing in factories,etc. Will the Hamas leaders be next in the Arab world to be gone?
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 9:04 pm
My faith is absolutely in keeping with Judaism and I respect it as one of the true paths to God. It is the faith that is most similar to my own. In fact I would even consider myself to be a Jew, a Christian and a Muslim as I see no conflict of interest whatsoever with the original Teachings of any of them. Although some Christians would say I do not recognise the trinity, my answer to them is that neither does the Bible. The same answer is applicable when I am told I don’t see Jesus (peace be upon him) as God. But there is nothing whatsoever in Judaism that conflicts with my faith.

Although my knowledge of Yiddish is limited I can still recognise bupkes when I see them;

There is no dispute that Jews were unfairly expelled from their land by the Romans 2000 years ago but after the fall of Rome Jewish people started to return. Apart from Cossack pogroms of the mid 17th century the Jewish population lived in Palestine without significant problems and this was not at all an Islamic army; Bohdan Khmelnytsky only converted to Islam years after the pogroms and lived peacefully from then on. In fact we are told by history that his followers were mortified by his sudden change of faith.

Most Jews rejected the idea of Zionism and all prayers calling for a restoration of a Jewish state were deleted (1845) by the conference of rabbis. This was reiterated again in 1869 and then in 1885 at the Pittsburgh conference there was made the following resolution; "we consider ourselves no longer a nation, but a religious community; and we therefore expect neither a return to Palestine, nor a sacrificial worship under the sons of Aaron, nor the restoration of any of the laws concerning a Jewish state". (Jewish Encyclopedia).

It was only then after Theodor Herzl’s First Zionist Congress at Basel in 1897, which created the World Zionist Organization (WZO) that the return to Zion (Jerusalem) by the Jewish people gained momentum.
Zionism steadily gained popularity, especially during the hate campaign of the 1930’s (NWO again) until after the war when an understandably angry mass of stateless, homeless and embittered Jews, including many Holocaust survivors began migrating to Palestine.

The UN Special Committee on Palestine was created by British request to decide the fate of Palestine even though UNSCOP deemed “the peoples of Palestine are sufficiently advanced to govern themselves independently” (from their own UNSCOP report).

Obviously UNSCOP failed to attain a mutually agreeable partition and voted in an unpopular one so it was rejected and the NWO got their wish; an excuse to start killing Arabs. After sixteen out of the thirty-three massacres were committed, the first Arab-Israeli war took place and the rest is recent history.

Here is the map of Palestine with the four time zones and political borders clearly marked (Just scroll down the page a little).

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/ref-nakba.html

I cannot believe that you even think there is one single Palestinian that does not want peace. I am sure there are a great many that believe that there is no chance of peace while Israel is still in control of everything in their lives. It certainly does seem that way to almost everyone including Israelis.

Israeli government forces and illegal settlers are doing everything in their power to make sure there is no time for a Palestinian to create anything of value to them before it is destroyed.


Dale. Should those people you are referring to have fought others and driven them from their land? This is a question you should ask yourself.

I would expect my neighbours to act decisively against me if I had murdered the occupants of the home I have taken over and was keeping their children captive. In fact, rather than take someone’s home from them by force I would have politely asked if I could share some of their land and then I would have used good manners to thank them and build on this trust. There was already 7% population of Jews in Palestine doing just this successfully.

The Palestinians were not allowed to have building materials by decree of their captors. It is not their fault that their lives are mostly in ruins.

You ask what the leaders do with their money. This is what Wikipedia has to say about Hamas; “Its popularity stems in part from its welfare wing providing social services to Palestinians in the occupied territories, including school and hospital construction. Hamas devotes up to 90% of its estimated $70 million annual budget to an extensive social services network, running many relief and education programs, and funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues”. That was from the Council on Foreign Relations! (NWO).

America spends more than TEN TIMES the entire annual yearly budget of Hamas EVERY DAY (720 million dollars) just on the invasion forces in the Middle East alone. That is not even taking into account the rest of the 50% of taxpayers’ money they spend on ‘defence’.

How can they become economically successful when Israeli IDF soldiers destroy everything they manage to create, against all odds, as soon as it is completed? You expect them to build but they have not been permitted to buy building materials and many other basic necessities.

I don’t know if Hamas will “be gone”; if there are destroyed it will not be because of their people because they are extremely popular (an unusually large 52% of the vote). If the Israeli government have their way they may be none left soon.

I hope Dale that you will take a closer look at what is happening here. You seem to have been a victim of the most outrageous misinformation. Please note that the mass media in your country are particularly pro Israeli policy and all but two of the corporations (18 in total) are CFR members (NWO).

Take a look at some independent news stations, documentaries or some of the many You Tube clips of life in Gaza and the West Bank.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 9:58 pm
Scott - don't think anyone said the Palestinians per se did not want peace. It is the Palestinian Authority that keeps them poor and enslaved. Let us hear the voice of the people - what do they want? We think they would be happy to settle for a peaceful solution - but they have to speak up. Look what has happened in Egypt, Libya,Tunisia - people power is the power Governments fear. The media is NOT pro Israel - if it were we would be hearing much more about the abuse, murders and attacks on Israelis. It seems that today it is not fashionable to support Israel or her policies.....and we are not saying that her policies are always right either.
 

Mike m. (9)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 8:29 am
Scott, just wanted to say that you have really done your homework. Your arguments are well-reasoned and chock full of facts. Having said that, I'm on the side of Israel. Just wanted to tip my hat to you.
 

John Willis (9)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 12:48 pm
As far as I know there is nowhere else in the world where a country has been created on the back of an ancient writing purporting to state a right of existence. The whole thing is preposterous and I think it is about time the Israeli govt acknowledged a true understanding of Palestinian feelings about the whole sorry episode. It would be interesting to know the real proportion of Israeli citizens opposing the current policy - trouble is, patriotism gets in the way and when your country is fighting for its life other principles are often sacrificed.
And when you are bankrolled by the US you can do anything.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 12:52 pm
Thank you for the hat tipping Michael, it is appreciated. I did think, on reflection that my first post was unnecessarily passionate and a little abusive and I apologise for that. It is well that we can discuss even these emotive issues from our vastly different viewpoints with respect and decency. As gentlemen we can disagree. I hope one day that your obligation to Israel is one day outweighed by your love of human rights. Salam.
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 1:05 pm
Scott, you bring out some questionable facts, please clarify:

1. Jews never abrogated the hope to return to the Land of Israel. Daily prayers have an explicit reference to return to that land and to re-build the city of Jerusalem. What were the "rabbis" of those conferences and who is their audience? Even J Street would not go that far. Neither Jews for Jesus will.

2. Jewish Immigration to The Land of Israel existed through all the ages, and the Jews were often the majority populating the land. Arab immigration STARTED as the result of economic boom created by Jews, and continues up to this day: every years tens of thousands of Arabs marry Israelis and move the Israel, rather to their own Arab countries.

3. Hamas is a militant group with the fascist ideology calling for extermination of the Jews. No union of Palestinian Arabs with such group may result in peace. Islamic law demands that all lands which had been under Islamic rule once MUST be returned to the Islamic rule. That makes all talks of peace with any power of which Hamas is a part - meaningless.


 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 1:08 pm
From a poll by the OneVoice Movement;

The findings indicate that despite fears to the contrary, the two-state solution remains the only resolution that is acceptable to the majority of both Israelis and Palestinians: 74% of Palestinians and 78% of Israelis would be willing to accept a two-state solution, while 59% of Palestinians and 66% of Israelis find a single, bi-national state to be unacceptable.

What’s more, Israelis and Palestinians are as convinced as ever that negotiations are the way to get there: 77% of Israelis and 71% of Palestinians find a negotiated peace to be either "essential" or "desirable".

Copied exactly from an article by Darya Shaikh (Guardian.co.uk)
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 1:09 pm
John, those 3B in US Aid that Israel gets are spent on purchasing military equipment manufactured in US have conditions attached to prevent export Israeli technologies to India, China, and other lucrative customers. Israel had to cancel a contract with China under US pressure, and that contract was worth 15B. Isn't it nice to give 3B and get back 15B?

The main support US provides to Israel is in UN, and that's it. Otherwise, Islamic majority there would force all sorts of things on Israel. Little wonder, considering that Guddafi was UN Human Rights chairman for some time.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 3:18 pm
If you ask four different rabbis the same question, you'll get five different answers.

1. I haven’t been too successful in getting a list of the rabbis in attendance but I have found that there were 15 of them, most likely Rabbis Kaufmann Kohler, Isaac Mayer Wise, David Marx, Alexander Kohut, Bernard Drachman and Rabbi Solomon Schecter.

“Convening at the call of Kaufmann Kohler of New York, Reform rabbis from around the United States met from November 16 through November 19, 1885, with Isaac Mayer Wise presiding. The meeting was declared the continuation of the Philadelphia Conference of 1869, which was the continuation of the German Conference of 1841 to 1846.” (Source Jewish Virtual Library)

2. It is not helpful to go back any farther in history than to the Roman Empire. What the Romans did was appalling but it doesn’t give any rights to subsequent generations of those Jews that were expelled to murder Arabs who have lived in Palestine for generations or forcibly remove them from their homes. All the Jews were expelled from the now named Palestina and didn’t return until Rome fell. It was only after that a few Jews started to settle again in Palestine.

Please don’t say the Arab population voluntarily left in 1948, there were massacres (33 in total) for the ones that stayed and this is why they were forced to flee.


3. Hamas won the internationally backed parliamentary elections held in 2006 and therefore it is the legitimate government of Palestine. From my post;

“Hamas devotes up to 90% of its estimated $70 million annual budget to an extensive social services network, running many relief and education programs, and funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues”. That was from the Council on Foreign Relations! (NWO).“

And you call them militant while your close neighbour (The USA) spends more than TEN TIMES the entire annual yearly budget of Hamas EVERY DAY (720 million dollars) just on the invasion forces in the Middle East alone. That is not even taking into account the rest of the 50% of taxpayers’ money they spend on ‘defence’.

Sorry but that is worth repeating.

There are far more countries that do not consider them as a terrorist organisation than do including Norway, Switzerland, Sweden, China, Russia, Syria and Turkey.

If you look on the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs website, you will see that Israel broke the ceasefire by going into the Gaza and killing six or seven Palestinian militants. Nov. 4th 2008. I am not surprised that you didn’t know this as it was not reported in America at that time and only after Hamas retaliated with rockets did it get any media attention. Israel also broke the 2005 ceasefire.

Hamas signalled that it wanted a diplomatic settlement of the conflict along the June 1967 border. Everyone but Israel, the USA, Australia and some South Sea atolls wants this including the leadership in Damascus and Gaza. The UN General Assembly votes for this every year since 1989 and every year the results are the same; 1989 151 votes to 3, 2008; 164 votes to 7.

The only obstacle to peace is Israel. The rest of the 164 nations of the United Nations with less than a handful of rejections are in favour of peace and the June 1967 border.

The highest judicial body in the world, the International Court of Justice, ruled Israel has no title to any of the West Bank and any of Gaza. They have no title to Jerusalem. All settlements in occupied Palestine are illegal.

The only reason now for this conflict is the refusal of Israel to abide by international law and to accept and abide by the opinion of the international community.
 

Doug C. (51)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 4:56 pm
Yeehaw! Atta boy Scott! I think also you were too hard on Cal, he is really a good lad who posts on many issues. On Israel I have to disagree with him.
You hit the nail on the head with everything, especially the lopsided support of Israel in the Western media. How anyone can call defense of the raid on the Gaza Aid flotilla and the murder of nine people anti-Israel media is beyond me. But I saw it with my own eyes, Larry Cannon (may his eyes be opened) and the government of Canada standing up for the murderers and pirates. Not even the murder of one of our own soldiers at the hands of the IDF gives the Harper government pause. He should not have been there, is their response. Presumably he should have abandoned his post.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 5:20 pm
Thank you Doug for the encouragement and I will endeavour to moderate my tone. I usually do but it was a rather difficult time and something had to give.

Oddly enough, I have just completed a post in response to someone supporting the attacks on the flotilla. Sadly I stooped even lower and now employ sarcasm to add to my growing list of delinquencies. I will save you the trouble of looking for it as it is relevant here too.

“Ahh yes, those darn humanitarian aid workers led by their radical Nobel Peace Laureate with their deadly plastic chairs ambushing IDF special forces in the dead of night while they were just cruising in international waters.

One of these fundamentalist extremists must have managed to smuggle a stick through those stringent searches before they set out; they are so crafty. They must have been planning that attack for months.

Fortunately after their initial shock, the panicked IDF managed to respond to this devastating stick and plastic chair surprise attack and heroically kill nine unarmed people by shooting 31 live bullets into them while tear gassing the rest.

These brave IDF soldiers will reverently be remembered as valiant warriors for Israel.

Of course it was totally justified; you can’t allow Palestinian children to have crayons or paper; they may make rockets out of them then use those rockets to slaughter Israeli families. Israel are only protecting themselves; how can you not see this?”
 

Parvez Zuberi (7)
Monday March 21, 2011, 2:28 am
Israel Govt have murdered unarmed children,women and people of Palestinian imposed sanctioned for food , medicine supply too away their land by force and destroyed the country infrastructure if you look deep into it then Holocaust look like chicken feed in front of the brutality being committed by Israel Govt WHY are you doing this I fail to understand and that is also with support of USA
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Monday March 21, 2011, 7:01 am
Scott,

1. Judaism is a pluralistic religion and culture. Those 15 reform "rabbis" could say whatever they want, but their decisions were no recognized by the mainstream Jews or Judaism. If someone says "On behalf of all Turks I will stop eating apples", Turks will continue eating apples. On practical terms, Jerusalem remains the most holy place in Judaism and for many Jews.

2. Arab states started the war, while Jews agreed to compromise. The blood of about 10,000 Arabs and Jews is on the hands of Arab rulers. More than half of Arab population DID left voluntarily without even seeing Israeli soldiers, because they were asked to leave by Arab armies to move away from harm destined for the Jews.

3. Many Arabs, who are now calling themselves "Palestinians" lived in Palestine/Judea just for 2 years!!! This is the UN definition - anyone residing in Israel between 1946 and 1948 is Palestinian. People don't even get their citizenship until 5 or 10 years, and here UN was very kind to Arabs at the Israeli expense again.

4. Hamas is bombing Israeli cities again. This is a band of religious fanatics, devoted to the extremination of Jews and Israel. What do you see makes you say they want peace? Why would they want peace when Palestinian Arabs are world best paid refugees, and this status, together with nice monthly allowances to all families, is enshrined forever? More children - more money! Who would want to lose UNWRA as a feeder?

4. the International Court of Justice has it jurisdiction, and defining borders between countries is not one of them. Arabs rights to claim lands from Ottoman Empire are certainly not more valid than rights of the Jews, especially after Jews were given those lands in 1920 in law-binding resolution. Jewish villages can be called illegitimate, because they were not approved by the newly emerging state of Palestinian Arabs, but they are not more illegitimate than Arab villages.

With UN open bias against West and Israel, even despite the fact that it is paid for by the West, I would not give much weight to their decisions. Remember that Guddafi was a UN Human Rights Chairman for awhile.



 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Monday March 21, 2011, 9:37 pm
Before I start I want to make it clear that I have nothing against Israeli people whatsoever. I have endeavoured to clearly say Israeli government or Israeli policy instead of Israelis. I recognise that there are good and bad in all nations, races and faiths. I think it is very clear that I love Judaism. Jews are my brothers and sisters in faith even though I am Muslim as well;

“And of Moses's folk there is a community who lead with truth and establish justice therewith” (Al-A`raf 7:158).

1. Mainstream Jewish opinion is dead against the brutal form of Zionism. Very few Jews are even mildly Zionist anymore. The meaning of Zionism has strayed from simply wanting a Jewish homeland (which is perfectly understandable and correct should it be achieved with good manners) to a form of political extremism similar to that of the Nazi party with elitist delusions of superiority.

Rashi, (the most prominent Jewish commentator) explains that the earth from which Adam was formed was not taken from one spot but from various parts of the globe. Thus human dignity does not depend on the place of one's birth nor is it limited to one region.

Judaism teaches that Adam was created in G-d's image and that he is the common ancestor of all mankind. There is no room for privileged people who can do with others as they please. Human life is sacred and human rights are not to be denied to anyone.

Racism and Judaism conflict. Bigotry is impossible to reconcile in Judaism also as anyone can become a Jew. Sarah, Rebecca, Rachel and Leah were all converts – none were born Jewesses. Even Moses himself married a non-Jew. Ruth was a Moabite, sworn enemies of Jews.

My point is that Jews are not a race. The Nazis had all kinds of problems deciding who was and who wasn’t. It was pitiful and shows how ridiculous their idealism was. It was an NWO farce so that they could become more powerful. There was no Nazi ideal in truth other than for rich bankers to become richer and more powerful. The cover story of the idealism was just to fool the masses into playing along. Some NWO may believe they are descendants of super-beings from Atlantis but they do not believe all Arians were, it was a hoax.

Racial pride is flawed even when it is based on taxonomy but Jewish racial pride is a total misnomer as there is no Jewish race. It is an eclectic amalgamation of lots of races, all originating from Adam.

The Jewish nation was born on Mount Sinai when the Jews by their response, "let us do and let us hear," adopted the Torah given to them by G-d for all future generations. `This day you become a people," though valid still today, was spoken thousands of years ago.

The Jewish people are chosen not for domination over others, not for conquest or warfare but to serve G-d and thus to serve mankind.

This aggressive, ‘Chosen People / Master Race’- like political Zionism has sought to separate the Jewish people from their G-d, to render the divine covenant null and void and to substitute a ‘modern’ statehood and fraudulent sovereignty for the lofty ideals of the Jewish people.

The State of Israel has taken many truly Holy names including ‘Israel’ and perverted them. The Israeli army fight under an emblem, the meaning of which is explained in the Tenach as "not with armed force and not with power, but in My spirit says the Lord of Hosts”

Their hypocrisy knows no limits.

Neither the founder of political Zionism nor any of the prime ministers of the Zionist state believed in the divine origin of the Torah nor even in the existence of G-d yet they still base their claim to the land of Palestine on the Bible.

What happened to "and for our sins have we been exiled from our land"? Or waiting before the coming of the Messiah to rule the Holy Land?

I face Mecca when I pray but I don’t have to kill everyone there and take it over as my own. I hope to go there for a pilgrimage but I wouldn’t rob old ladies to raise the money, it defeats the object of the benefits. In this way, there is nothing religious about Israeli policy or this brutal form of Zionism.

I would love to have seen those Jews that were made homeless by the war, settled in a beautiful new land but not through violence. There was no need and it defeats the object of living somewhere holy if you sinned in order to get there.

Violent Zionism is a curse for the Jews and that is why all sincere Jews reject it. Not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. I really feel for gentle Jews because my preferred faith has also been hijacked by evil people that have nothing religious about them. Some Zionists are to Judaism what Hitler was to Christianity. We mustn’t be led into hatred by the actions of a few rascals claiming some connection to faith when they have none.

A former president of the World Zionist Organization even calls for Zionists to put state before G-d in total opposition to the Teachings. Only a devil would ask for such a thing or follow such a thing. It is no different to worshiping the ‘golden calf’.

There are very few Jews that would support murder at all let alone all out invasion. Massacres and theft of land goes against all teachings of Judaism. Those Zionists that were involved in this slaughter were very few indeed and had it not been for the backing of the NWO and the British army, none of this could ever have happened.

Israel still has no rights over Jerusalem. Why should they have to fight anyone when there can be peaceful coexistence? No one should be prevented from visiting the Holy Land or even living there if space is available but the State of Israel was not prepared to share, it wanted it all and it was prepared to sell its soul to the Devil to get it and that is just what it did.

I support Jews wishing to live in or near Jerusalem. I would love to live there too. Its soil is special and that makes it all the more important that blood should not be spilled over it; certainly not for a political perversion of an impeccable faith. There is little that is sacred about the State of Israel; it pains me to use a holy name to describe such an abomination. This is the opinion of many Jews inside Israel and across the world. Brutality is not Jewish at all.

My love for real Jews and for Judaism is similar to my love for my mother. I have the same respect for them as I have for any Great Faith. I love G-d, God, Yahweh, Allah (Subhanahu wa ta’ala) with all my heart and soul aim to be wholly submitted at all times. It makes no difference what language or how I spell it. There is only One God (SWT).


2. and 3. The undeniable fact is that Palestine was a homeland for most Palestinians for over 1200 years before it was taken without consent and by force, during the creation of the state of Israel. It was nothing less than an aggressive invasion to their homeland and they had every right to defend themselves. It would have been ludicrous not to.

Most Palestinians that were close enough to see an Irgun or LEHI soldier (soon to be Israelis) didn’t live to tell the tale. News like that of Dier Yassin where 107 people were executed travels fast. There were 33 similar massacres and countless war crimes.

You seriously think that these people who have lived on that some land for generations are going to voluntarily hand it over and become refugees? Or that they coincidently chose that time to emigrate without selling their land or possessions? You are a troll sir. I laughed when I read how you worded this; ”they were asked to leave by Arab armies to move away from harm destined for the Jews”. LOL! Anyone can see they were fleeing a ruthless monster. No one is still spreading this propaganda; you are embarrassing your pro-Israeli policy friends. Read your history or at least look up Dier Yassin.

According to the former director of the ISRAELI army archives; “in almost every village occupied by us during the War of Independence, acts were committed which are defined as war crimes, such as murders, massacres, and rapes”...Uri Milstein, the authoritative ISRAELI military historian of the 1948 war, goes one step further, maintaining that “every skirmish ended in a massacre of Arabs.” Norman Finkelstein, “Image and Reality of the Israel-Palestine Conflict.”

I am fascinated by the lies of war. The way they call it a war of Independence! I would love to hear them tell it how it is for a change. It was the Invasion of Palestine. Maybe the people of Gaza could call their war one of ‘Independence’ but Israel? No! It was conquest.

“Israeli propaganda has largely relinquished the claim that the Palestinian exodus of 1948 was ‘self-inspired’. Official circles implicitly concede that the Arab population fled as a result of Israeli action — whether directly, as in the case of Lydda and Ramleh, or indirectly, due to the panic that and similar actions (the Deir Yassin massacre) inspired in Arab population centres throughout Palestine. However, even though the historical record has been grudgingly set straight, the Israeli establishment still refused to accept moral or political responsibility for the refugee problem it — or its predecessors — actively created.” Peretz Kidron, quoted in “Blaming the Victims,” ed. Said and Hitchens.

They certainly had some neck to suggest it was in the first place. How dumb do they think we are?

“The BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) monitored all Middle Eastern broadcasts throughout 1948. The records, and companion ones by a United States monitoring unit, can be seen at the British Museum. There was not a single order or appeal, or suggestion about evacuation from Palestine, from any Arab radio station, inside or outside Palestine, in 1948. There is a repeated monitored record of Arab appeals, even flat orders, to the civilians of Palestine to stay put.” Erskine Childers, British researcher, quoted in Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”

“The fact that the Arabs fled in terror, because of real fear of a repetition of the 1948 Zionist massacres, is no reason for denying them their homes, fields and livelihoods. Civilians caught in an area of military activity generally panic. But they have always been able to return to their homes when the danger subsides. Military conquest does not abolish private rights to property; nor does it entitle the victor to confiscate the homes, property and personal belongings of the noncombatant civilian population. The seizure of Arab property by the Israelis was an outrage.” Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”

Many of the villages and homes were bulldozed to a pulp in any case so that there couldn’t be any return home after the war.

I hope this was thorough enough for my tough critics out there.

The movement to create this State of Israel set out to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state.

Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and can never be sold or even leased back to Arabs.

John Quigley, author of ‘Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to Justice’ wrote;
“The aim of the [Jewish National] Fund was ‘to redeem the land of Palestine as the inalienable possession of the Jewish people...As early as 1891, Zionist leader Ahad Ha’am wrote that the Arabs “understood very well what we were doing and what we were aiming at’...[Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, stated] ‘We shall try to spirit the penniless [Arab] population across the border by procuring employment for it in transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly’...At various locations in northern Palestine Arab farmers refused to move from land the Fund purchased from absentee owners, and the Turkish authorities, at the Fund’s request, evicted them...The indigenous Jews of Palestine also reacted negatively to Zionism. They did not see the need for a Jewish state in Palestine and did not want to exacerbate relations with the Arabs.”

How dare they call it a ‘Jewish’ National Fund! It is an insult to Judaism. Jews are taught to be fair in their business transactions. There is nothing Jewish about this dispossession.

“An article by Yitzhak Epstein, published in Hashiloah in 1907...called for a new Zionist policy towards the Arabs after 30 years of settlement activity...Like Ahad-Ha’am in 1891, Epstein claims that no good land is vacant, so Jewish settlement meant Arab dispossession...Epstein’s solution to the problem, so that a new “Jewish question” may be avoided, is the creation of a bi-national, non-exclusive program of settlement and development. Purchasing land should not involve the dispossession of poor sharecroppers. It should mean creating a joint farming community, where the Arabs will enjoy modern technology. Schools, hospitals and libraries should be non-exclusivist and education bilingual...The vision of non-exclusivist, peaceful cooperation to replace the practice of dispossession found few takers. Epstein was maligned and scorned for his faintheartedness.” Israeli author, Benjamin Beit-Hallahmi, “Original Sins.”

When the Arab community became aware of the intention for dispossession it was bound not to accept the decision made by the NWO at that time (UNSCOP). No country on earth would agree to that and rightly so. This is why the British NWO sent 50,000 troops to the area because they knew no one would ever accept their (British NWO (UN)) partition plans.

It is typical of imperialists and colonialist Britain to run roughshod over the obvious rights of indigenous people. It was their land! It is insanity to say they started a war when they were on their own land and were defending it from a clearly very hostile force. It is again, an undeniable fact that they needed to defend themselves because just look at the mess their once vast and peaceful land has been reduced to – two small areas of rubble and many orphans scratching a living out of it - if you can call it living. I personally would not.

They feared the dispossession of their land and were absolutely right because that is exactly what happened. I can’t believe the arrogance of those people. Maybe those particular Zionist Jews were justifiably bitter, desperate and angry after the war and the Holocaust but what is your excuse for defending it today? You speak like you are without conscience, morals and any sense of fairness.

Neither Zionism nor Judaism (especially not Judaism) is to blame but those among that ideology who thought it was justifiable to massacre, destroy and war in order to achieve a homeland were way out of order.


4. There is nothing fanatical about resisting your oppressor. The French resistance were considered heroes and they behaved no differently to Hamas. Plenty of French people were killed in their indiscriminate attacks as well as German women and children. Hitler called them terrorists. What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The small rockets that Hamas have fired are like firecrackers compared with what the west did to Japan. We levelled every German City just about, killing mostly civilians on purpose.

Reagan referred to the Taliban as “Courageous freedom fighters” when we were funding them to kill Russians. Now we are fighting them they are terrorists. To them, on both occasions they are just defending their homes, women, children and land from foreign invaders. War is a terrible thing. It is best not to start it.

You are being a troll again. This has nothing to do with religion and it never did. Palestinians have suffered greater oppression than I could even begin to document. Don’t you think that might have a tiny bit to do with their anger at Israel?

Muslims are not at all anti Semitic in their Teachings. I am sure that many people living in Palestine have a hatred for their captors now but that is not anti Semitic and neither is it in keeping with the teachings to hate; that is anti-oppression and slaughter. There are many Arab Christians living in Palestine and they are not treated any differently by the IDF. They are still oppressed in just the same way. Islam and Judaism are the two most similar faiths in the world. Islam praises proper Jews. They didn’t ask for Israel to come invade, murder, rape, destroy, torture, humiliate, steal (I could go on ad infinitum). They are not asking Israel to keep them imprisoned in what is left of their country.


Do you expect a woman who is being raped, not to slap and scratch her rapist?

The rapist then says “I am only raping her because she won’t stop slapping and scratching me. If I release her she will kill me!"


I hope you can understand what I am illustrating here. Perhaps if Israel stop raping Palestinians lives they will stop scratching back. If they are set free there may be some rocket attacks but are you not getting those anyway? The alternative is to continue raping forever and continue being scratched forever.

I have already told you – EVERYONE wants peace except Israel. EVERYONE agrees on the 1967 plan except Israel. Hamas has agreed with the entire world’s (except Israel) plan for peace.

It is so insulting to call these proud people “world best paid refugees”. I simply cannot believe that you think a single Palestinian on Earth is happy with their situation. You have got to be out of your mind. I am beginning to think this is some sick joke you are playing on me. If you really believe anything that you say I think you need to watch some YouTube evidence of what life is really like for these people. I would not wish their fate on my worst enemy. It is totally unacceptable to treat people like that.

Bob. Whoever your particular rabbi is, they are not doing their job so please allow me to explain;



“That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn.”
—Talmud, Shabbat 31a, the "Great Principle"



“You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against your kinsfolk. Love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.” —Leviticus 19:18

"Love your fellow as yourself — Rabbi Akiva says this is a great principle of the Torah."

“The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I the LORD am your God.” —Leviticus 19:34[51]

The teachings of the Zohar implores one to "repay the offenders with favours":

"So, too, in matters affecting a person's relations with his fellow, as soon as there rises from his heart to his mind any animosity or hatred, G-d forbid, or jealousy, anger, or a grudge and the like, he allows them no entrance into his mind and will. On the contrary, his mind exercises its authority and power over the feelings in his heart to do the very opposite, namely, to conduct himself towards his fellow with the quality of kindness and a display of abundant love to the extreme limits, without becoming provoked into anger, G-d forbid, or to revenge in kind, G-d forbid, but rather to repay the offenders with favors, as taught in the Zohar, that one should learn from the example of Yosef [Joseph] towards his brothers." —Tanya, ch. 12


You had two points marked number 4. So I am going with 5. (For the sake of tradition);

5. The ICJ is the highest court in the entire world. None are higher and its findings are indisputable by any other court. Of course they are not going to take up arms but they have decided Israel has no title to any of the West Bank and any of Gaza. They have no title to Jerusalem and all settlements in occupied Palestine are illegal.

If the ICJ and the Geneva Convention say Israeli settlements are illegal then they are illegal. There is no possible argument in the world because the ICJ is the law if you are an Earthlet. (Which I am beginning to doubt)

The Ottoman Empire died of ‘natural causes’. It overstretched. In any case, it makes no difference at all weather a peaceful land grab was justified or not. If there is anything worth noting it is that there is no crime, violent or otherwise still being committed to this day related to that issue.

This is not about race or faith as far as I am concerned although it seems that it is about both to you. It is about land, political borders and good manners (or lack thereof). Perhaps you should check yourself for racism and bigotry. Neither is welcome in this world anymore.

There were 700,000 people living in Palestine, just over 6% Jews before the invasions and they were almost all against the violence. Everything was working reasonably well in Palestine until these monstrous NWO Satanists became intent on not just taking over but a mass genocide which continues to this day, albeit under the international radar wherever Israel can contain its bloodlust.

In any case, we are talking about today’s Israel and Palestine and even if the land was obtained illegally by the Romans from the Canaanite civilization 3000bc, ‘two wrongs do not make a right’.

I am no fan of the UN and nor should Palestinian be. It was their job to prevent bullies like the government of Israel ‘to be’, from invading and rampaging but they did next to nothing. They conspired with the British and the NWO to stitch Palestine up and encourage a war.

All they can do is make enormous lists of resolutions (225 to date) that ‘deplores’ Israel, ‘strongly deplores’ Israel, ‘deeply deplores’ Israel, ‘condemns‘ Israel and ‘demands’ that Israel does this and that.

And then when they are ignored, the UN ‘urges’ and ‘reiterates’ Israel to listen to them! It’s pathetic. What are they actually getting paid for again? At best they are just slightly annoying to the government of Israel.

Israel is proud to ignore the UN and I bet they have a great laugh about it. It is like watching the most useless, wet and impotent babysitter with an Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder child on a preservative, colouring and sugar rush.

Your rhetoric seems almost like you are back in Israel in the 1950’s and haven’t seen any news since then. Are you sure you haven’t time warped? Some of the stuff you are coming out with was long since dropped by the official propaganda line as no more than an embarrassment.

Israel needs to get with the program, see that it is in the wrong, apologise and go for this 1967 deal and start to repair its image.

One of its officials said after the slaughter of 2008-9 in Gaza that what they wanted to show the Arab world that they were capable of acting like a ‘Lunatic State’ and like mad dogs; that they wanted to restore the Arab world’s fear of Israel and that’s why they acted like Lunatics and mad dogs.

Well... I’m certainly convinced.

Norman Finkelstein asked in an RT interview shortly after the humanitarian convoy massacre “Is Israel acting like a Lunatic State or has it become a Lunatic State”. He reminded the RT viewers that Israel has between 200-300 nuclear weapons and is threatening to start wars against Iran and Lebanon on a daily basis and that both countries are likely to retaliate.

Personally I think it is a dire situation. This out of control mentality and total disregard for human life is a huge concern. I’m sure we have not heard the last of Israel’s lunacy yet. America will probably use them as a ‘fall guy’ to stir up such a hornets’ nest in the Middle East that both Israel and the Arab world will be largely annihilated.

I hope and pray that I am wrong for all our sakes.


And BoB, if you are going to respond to this and I fail to come back to you it is probably because I think you are just trolling. I almost didn’t bother with this reply but I thought to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you will read it and take something from it. I see you are from Canada, perhaps the news there is heavily influenced by the CFR as it is near the USA and you simply haven’t heard of this opinion before. Or perhaps you are just trying to keep me from more pressing matters by absorbing my time.

Whatever the case, please try to bear in mind that I am doing this not only out of love for my brothers and sisters in Palestine who are suffering and anyone else that may read it but mostly I am doing this for you. I felt the content and tone of your post was rather bitter, sad or resistant for a solution. Maybe you should try to open your heart a bit more, it’s never too late. I want you to experience the love that I feel for life and for God. The pleasure of tranquillity is not understood by those that often have hate and anger in their hearts; no matter what is happening my life is mostly full of love, even if I am alone. This has been tested to absolute extremes so I am confident that nothing can ever depress me

If my post angers you then come out and say what you feel as directly as you wish. Perhaps you better do that in a PM if it is abusive or racist but I don’t mind and of course it will be confidential.

I just got the feeling that the reason for your rhetoric was not really the reason. Maybe you are hiding raw emotion? I do hope you are not another sock puppet! Or the same one under a different name even.

Thank you for your points of discussion. It has been interesting. I hope that it has been of some interest to you.
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Thursday March 24, 2011, 8:14 pm
Excellent Comment Scott Freewheeler "Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Scott because you have done so within the last week."
You have clear vision. Netanyahu wants to keep settlement building until there is no unoccupied land left in Jerusalem, and in the rest of the decent land of Palestine. They want the Palestinians to get so discouraged and terrified that they will leave all the land to Israel. Gosh, who is getting the money for the land do you think. They steal it from the people, build huge apartments, and the wealthy build their huge estates, and who are they paying for the land. This also sounds like a scam where certain people are getting extremely wealthy from this theft. Perhaps the Zionists will lie that the Palestinians willingly sold it and got a fair price, be we all know that is a lie. But yes, I wondering who is profiteering from this land grab. As long as no one is stopping them from building more settlements why should they sign a peace agreement. No one want to interfere, although most all countries are condemning it. The UN should be acting, filing charges or something.
As an American I protest that we provide Israel with foreign aid. It is a disgrace. Children starving and dying from disease and we give one of the wealthiest nations money for weapons against the Palestinians. They are all in prison in their own country. It is an absolutely outrageous situation and America must sever our country from this. Who wants to be friends with a country that treats their neighbors in this way. Surely Israel would turn on America if they could get some free land and pull it off, They likely already have with the mortgage failures and cheap house auctions and sale. They own 52% of America's financial markets. We must look at the larger picture and anticipate possibilities.
 

Sandra T. (126)
Friday March 25, 2011, 12:16 pm
Stars to Scott and Judith
 

Cal Mendelsohn (992)
Friday March 25, 2011, 12:26 pm
Looking a bit pale these days, are we Scott, as are your arguments and self-serving comments on me.Dont' presume to know me if you don't and save your bile for your own masters. I post what I like Scott, and here's some news for your digestion, you can and should too! Don't shoot the messenger, post your own articls and stick to the subject matter at hand--the article itself.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Saturday March 26, 2011, 5:22 am

I don’t see that my complexion will negate the truth of my posts and it seems neither will you. I am not ‘shooting’ anyone unlike your Israeli government/NWO masters. When the messenger is propagating lies they become a soldier for the Deceiver and his slaves. It is my duty to discredit the lies and in doing so, their carrier. It is nothing personal; as you say, I don’t know you personally so how could it be?

What I do know about you is that you post a great many stories and many of them are bona fide but every now and then you post such obvious NWO propaganda and lies. Like the last time I commented on your story about the word bank economic hit man going to Africa to ‘help’ the economy. You didn’t reply to that and were a long time replying to this one because you are too busy working for the Internet thought police, telling the wooden tops what to believe.

Even though this particular story swamped the internet on every single social media site in existence (115,000 times) you are still losing the info-war. It takes a billion lies to maintain a secret and only one truth to expose it.

Thank you for encouraging me to post articles. My last story, posted recently was about the $2,4 million the government (Pentagon) just spent on ‘Sock Puppet’ software to heavily influence social media sites. It is a week old almost but if they let you have coffee breaks there you may like to take a look;

http://www.care2.com/news/member/716766811/2751077

If you really are just one of those wooden tops that have been fooled by propaganda campaigns, which I doubt, then I apologise profusely and I am sorry for you for your lack of discretion. Maybe you should read the stories a bit more carefully before putting your name to them.

This is what I know about you. This is all I need to know about you.
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday March 26, 2011, 11:34 am
I suggest that you watch this video. It was very hard to find during a search since they have changed the name. Fortunately I had it save in my favorites. It is also in print, The video is very impactful. Suggeset you take four minutes or less to watch this. "A massacre is not a massacre" representing the lies told constantly by the Zionists. (I.E. if you lie often enough people eventually believe you. )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CEBnUI5q2Q
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday March 26, 2011, 11:45 am
http://zeroanthropology.net/2010/06/18/ghassan-hage-a-massacre-is-not-a-massacre/

Finally found this in print without the video. It is being buried as I could not find on Yahoo at all and the previous printed article from his University of Melbourne was not found.
Will find the article about who owns media in the U.S. which listed mostly Jews, who are trying to convince Americans that they are the persecuted victims, and need our money and more this year. It is controlled new. Please watch www.democracynow.org on line week-days if you want to hear some truth. Certainly there are others. We should have a list of news programs that are reliable and truth. AlJazeera is pretty reliable, but surely many of you have some internet news sites you rely on, video is often more telling with live stream and photos.
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday March 26, 2011, 11:47 am
Oh, heck, why not print it all here so it is not so much trouble for you.
Ghassan Hage: A Massacre is Not a Massacre

Posted on 18 June 2010 by Maximilian Forte


Ghassan Hage’s response to some of the outrageously unbelievable Israeli propaganda that spewed forth from the mouths of Israeli political leaders and their spokespersons in the days following Israel’s massacre of civilians in international waters:

I don’t write poems but, in any case, poems are not poems.

Long ago, I was made to understand that Palestine was not Palestine;

I was also informed that Palestinians were not Palestinians;

They also explained to me that ethnic cleansing was not ethnic cleansing.

And when naive old me saw freedom fighters they patiently showed me that they were not freedom fighters, and that resistance was not resistance.

And when, stupidly, I noticed arrogance, oppression and humiliation they benevolently enlightened me so I can see that arrogance was not arrogance, oppression was not oppression, and humiliation was not humiliation.

I saw misery, racism, inhumanity and a concentration camp.

But they told me that they were experts in misery, racism, inhumanity and concentration camps and I have to take their word for it: this was not misery, racism, inhumanity and a concentration camp.

Over the years they’ve taught me so many things: invasion was not invasion, occupation was not occupation, colonialism was not colonialism and apartheid was not apartheid.

They opened my simple mind to even more complex truths that my poor brain could not on its own compute like: “having nuclear weapons” was not “having nuclear weapons,” “not having weapons of mass destruction” was “having weapons of mass destruction.”

And, democracy (in the Gaza Strip) was not democracy.

Having second class citizens (in Israel) was democracy.

So you’ll excuse me if I am not surprised to learn today that there were more things that I thought were evident that are not: peace activists are not peace activists, piracy is not piracy, the massacre of unarmed people is not the massacre of unarmed people.

I have such a limited brain and my ignorance is unlimited.

And they’re so fucking intelligent. Really.

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Ghassan Hage is professor of anthropology and social theory at the University of Melbourne.

This poem (or not a poem) was reproduced from Electronic Intifada, published there on 03 June 2010.
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday March 26, 2011, 12:01 pm
This is a good article that has been slammed by the Right and Zionists. It has a negative rating but is perfectly safe, no spam, no problem for children who can read, etc.
http://www.stormfront.org/jewish/whorules.html
 
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