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Israel's Growing Wall of Steel Fences Off Egypt


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Cal
- 1111 days ago - news.yahoo.com
Far from the uproar of Cairo's Tahrir Square, Israel has been doubling its efforts to erect a giant, impenetrable security barrier along its 240-kilometre (150-mile) border with the Egyptian Sinai



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ellen m. (222)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 10:19 pm
This wall is the perfect symbol of how Israel is cutting itself from the world on many levels.
I have no doubt that if the US was a bordering country we woulf face a similiar wall also, although I'm sure the openings would be large enough for us to hand the tons of money we give them through it!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 11, 2011, 10:40 pm
I wonder how much this fence will encroach into someone else's land.
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Monday December 12, 2011, 8:29 am
But the pace of work has sped up since August, when gunmen from Sinai sneaked across the border and staged a series of deadly ambushes in Israel's southern Negev desert, putting security firmly at the top of the agenda.

"For us, it is still a border of peace," he said, pointing to the carcass of a bus which was strafed with gunfire during the August 18 attacks, a series of coordinated ambushes by gunmen who attacked route 12 in the Netafim area, some 20 kilometres north of Eilat.
Eight Israelis were killed during the attacks, along with seven of the gunmen, and five Egyptian policemen who were accidentally shot dead by Israeli troops as they hunted down the remaining attackers in an incident which sparked a diplomatic crisis between the two countries.
 

Daniel Partlow (189)
Monday December 12, 2011, 8:36 am
It's a sad thing that we have to build walls around territories. We just don't deserve this planet.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 12, 2011, 8:56 am
selfish
 

Miles M. (4)
Monday December 12, 2011, 9:33 am
It's time all the walls, Fences, barricades are torn down. Time to have transparent governments. ENOUGH!
 

Ginger Strivelli (20)
Monday December 12, 2011, 9:53 am
Israel is a bully and we back them up wrongly. "God" may have given that land to the Jews...BUT "Allah" gave it to the Muslims...and Ishtar gave it to us Pagan long before either of those modern monotheists faiths who can't seem to share it peacefully. (After we arrogantly just gave it to the Jews after WWII and told the Muslims tough crap, move...and now we balk at them fighting back, and support Israel over them, due to our countries religious bias.)
 

Francisco Pires (1)
Monday December 12, 2011, 11:23 am
So selfish and unnecessary.
 

Roger M. (0)
Monday December 12, 2011, 11:47 am
Can someone explain to me the difference between the what the Israelis are dong in the middle east and what the communists did with Berlin?
 

Roger Skinner (14)
Monday December 12, 2011, 11:52 am
Walls have worked sooooo well in the past.
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Monday December 12, 2011, 12:43 pm
Roger, Communists build walls to prevent people under their rule to run away, while Israel builds the wall not to let Islamic terrorists in. Especially now, when Egypt is falling into anarchy.
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday December 12, 2011, 12:49 pm
These pathetic apartheid walls and fences must come down and freedom for all to drive on all
Roads and ride in whichever buses people choose to ride. Restrictions galore and
Oppression and murder of innocent human beings and infringement of basic human rights are rife in the 'DEMOCRATIC' state of israel. What a Farce? 'Democracy' is understood as thefts, Oppressions and murders
By the state of Israel.
 

Jacquie S. (25)
Monday December 12, 2011, 12:56 pm
Scanning the dusty horizon, it is clear that tribal behavior imperils the settlement of enormous stretches of land walked upon through millennia of human habitation.

There seems to be a cultural, religious, and cultural distortion that language cannot resolve. There is a point to be made about choices. Traditionally, for many, to mask injured feelings, a crime against the victim is a major distraction that is an end in itself. In some cultures women are scarred for life by acid throwing egoistic men who have been rejected, or feel their honor has been ignored, and other horrifying misogynistic behaviors are viewed with complacency, or supported by local law enforcement. This reflects the strong tribal influence that dominates much of the Middle East.

The Palestine-Israel tug of war has arrived in the daily headlines, burdened by incomplete, or prejudiced information that is repeated day after day. For lack of a solution, the human contract between these peoples can be likened to an argument over a back fence in need of repair. Whose rockets are going where? Who treats the other population more fairly? Is this disagreeable situation a continuation from an historic beginning, or did it drift into a type of family feud due to philosophical, and religious, differences? Who did more for civilization in the past? Who can better manage the territories, and for whose benefit? There are many unanswerable questions, and an excess of anger on both sides to deal with them. The map tells the whole story. There are millions of square miles available to help resolve all the issues on the table. Now if there were true leaders available, they should be able to utilize their combined, and profound, wisdom, to resolve this conflict, and get on with cultural evolution and mutual benefit to all involved.
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday December 12, 2011, 1:05 pm
Bob, so what should others do to keep safe from the Biggest Terrorist State of
Israel? Steal, murder and oppress and then build walls to prevent retaliation in response to
Israel's Aggressions.

Bob, I am sure you would love another Mubarak(puppet of israel and US) to rule
Egypt, but fortnately that will never happen again as the People have
Awoken all over the world and are standing up for their Rights and ridding their countries
Of All the corrupt tyrannical Puppets of israel and the west. I hope israel realizes that
Many countries of the world are slowly isolating themselves from its Apratheid System and Regime.
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Monday December 12, 2011, 1:06 pm
I am afraid Zionists are going to live in a Ghetto they create for themselves. For me I don't really mind if they build a wall should this be built in the land they used to live on according to the truce lines until the fourth of June 1967.One centimeter more will be denied by all its neighbors and represents an aggression on other people's land.
 

Stan B. (123)
Monday December 12, 2011, 2:32 pm
Israel is going to need to build all kinds of defence barriers to keep out the implaccable Arab maniacs who make no secret of their desire to destroy the only moral, democracy in the Middle East.
What lousy luck to have such primitive, murderous neighbours who have contributed nothing but misery to humanity.
 

Hartson Doak (33)
Monday December 12, 2011, 2:57 pm
Roger Monk has a valid question. What is the difference between the Berlin Wall, the wall tween the US and Mexico, the peace walls in Ireland or this wall in Israel. You do know that the Chinese built a wall too. It did not help them then and these walls will not help now. The problem is the lack of justice with the suppression of all peoples right to human rights of a job, education and work.
 

Cal Mendelsohn (1008)
Monday December 12, 2011, 3:37 pm
I guess every society has walls. Egypt for example has a wall between the military and the people, despite a valiant effort at freedom the new boss is the same as the old boss as the old song says.No matter your take eventually words are better than walls, but ignoring security risks is just plain foolishness for any nation.
 

Debra Holliday (38)
Monday December 12, 2011, 4:14 pm
Walls are sometimes built for fear of being "wiped off the face of the earth" (quote by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad).
 

Fran C. (7)
Monday December 12, 2011, 4:14 pm
So much outrage is warranted, but don't forget the US-Mexican fence that's still in contention. Get really outraged about that!
 

Allan Yorkowitz (448)
Monday December 12, 2011, 4:24 pm
Baba K:selfish? In order to protect themselves from people entering Israel illegally this is selfish?Look up the word.
This administration can take a few notes how the Israeli's protect their own.Obama has literally laughed at Arizona and its need/want for a wall to be erected along the Mexican border.Yeah, Fran C., I'm really outraged that there IS NO FENCE between thew borders.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 12, 2011, 4:43 pm
Jacquie S.- Perhaps it is not their sense of their honor being threatened, religion or cultural behaviors that drives the actions which you feel is part of the strong tribal influence that dominates much of the Middle East. Perhaps it is the actions of the United States on the population of these countries which is the source of their discontent. At some point, if one party continues to aggressively attack, occupy, destroy and kill what is of most importance to the other party, eventually they will be resentful and act. We saw the US do exactly that in response to 9/11, attack. The US didn't even bother to ensure that the country which they retaliated against was the country which perpetuated this act of terror. I gather, when in doubt any ME country would do just fine. Considering that 9/11 and the majority of terrorism directed at the US is in direct response to actions and policy of the United States, I don't think that tribalism has anything to do with it.

As for the miles and miles of land you refer to in the Palestinian Israeli conflict, there are not miles and miles of land for either Israel nor Palestine. Gaza is one of the most densely populated places in the world. This conflict has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with land. Israel is breaking international law on a daily basis in regard to the Palestinians who have been marginalized for the past 60 years by the Israeli government.
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Monday December 12, 2011, 5:54 pm
Mary, I don't see anything resembling apartheid in building a fortified border between two independent countries, Israel and Egypt, along the mutually recognized border. Our Egyptian friend Abdessalam confirms that Israel did not take even 1cm of Egyptian land.

I don't see why anyone except for Islamic terrorists planning attacks against Israel from unprotected Egyptian border would be upset with this development.

Why do you care what Israel does on its side of the border with Egypt?
 

Philip Heinlein (472)
Monday December 12, 2011, 5:56 pm
Remember when the Berlin Wall came down? History repeats itself.
 

Walter Firth (45)
Monday December 12, 2011, 6:01 pm
Thanks Cal.Agreed Stan.If you lived in an area where there was a persistent danger from savage animals the first thing you would do is build a strong barrier to keep them out.That is what Israel must do as the first line of defence to protect itself from hate possessed fanatics who are pledged to its destruction.
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Monday December 12, 2011, 6:03 pm
Alisa, the article is not about Gaza. It is about other Palestinian countries: Egypt and Israel, where Israel does not want to have jihadist terror launched at it from Egypt, like last month. Israel had tens of mini 9/11 made by the same people who made 9/11 here, so they must have strong emotions and worries about their safety.

On another topic, Gaza was made one of the most densely populated places in the world by the arch-terrorist Arafat, who was planning demographic war against Israel and asked Arabs in Gaza or West Bank to have as many kids, as possible. Some had up to 15, without no means to feed them other than milking western charities. Now it brought the results. Islamists ruling Gaza oppose any birth control, so the situation there is going to get worse. This is the same for many Arab counties, not just Gaza.

Hopefully, at some point someone with common sense will tell Gazans to give birth to the number of children they can afford. Like Chinese and all westerners do.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 12, 2011, 6:27 pm
The Zionist Entity isn't interested in true security. It thinks that it can get the whole of Palestine for itself and hold off the surrounding states until it has created some irreversible "facts on the ground". This is why it's frantically building colonies all over the West Bank.
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Monday December 12, 2011, 6:51 pm
John, would you say that only Arab Entities are interested in true security? And Egyptian Entity as scared of an attack from Israel, despite the fact that Israel returned Egyptian Entity Sinai, taken after defeating the aggression of the Egyptian Entity?
 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 12, 2011, 6:56 pm
I am glad to see that your mind is not at all original, Bob. Egyptian Entity, indeed.
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Monday December 12, 2011, 7:32 pm
Noted , thanks !
 

Tysu Jung (2)
Monday December 12, 2011, 8:50 pm
How about a fence like that to keep out the terrorist and the radical Muslims from trying to take over Israel?
 

Henry G. (0)
Monday December 12, 2011, 10:05 pm
If Israel wants to build a wall on their side, well so be it. Just like we want the U.S. to build a wall to keep out Mexicans on our Southern border, well Israel wants to keep out the unwanted on her border. You condemn Israel for taking action to protect her citizens, yet say nothing about the rockets coming in from Gaza and where else killing Israeli citizens. Sorry, every country Arab or Jewish has a right to exist. It is the terrorists and fanatics that stir up the hate and cause governments to take these actions. Do you see any Israeli children going to school and being taught how to fire an AK47? You do in Palestine, just watch the news. What happened when the World Trade Centers fell? They (Palestinians) were in the streets shooting guns in the air, yet we give them hundreds of millions of dollars to support their government, just as Israel also gives them millions. And you want me to show, love and kindness to them that want the downfall of Israel? Sorry and very bluntly, STICK IT!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 12, 2011, 10:29 pm
Debra H. in regard to the statement "wiped off the face of the earth" (quote by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad)."

This has been debunked a long, long time ago. What Ahmadinejad's said was the " "the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time" without referring to the nation or physical state of Israel itself. Also Ahmadinejad was quoting Ayatollah Khomeini and was not an original statement Ahmadinejad made.

At the time of this controversy, Iran had never made any specific threat of war against Israel (Ethan Bronner, NY Times, 11 June 2006).

He has also stated that "creating an objection against the Zionists doesn't mean that there are objections against the Jewish". He added that Jews lived in Iran and were represented in the country's parliament." (January 2006). He further stated in September 2008, "If they [the Palestinians] want to keep the Zionists, they can stay ... Whatever the people decide, we will respect it. I mean, it's very much in correspondence with our proposal to allow Palestinian people to decide through free referendums".

Finally, the power to actually use military action against Israel doesn't lie with Ahmadinejad, it lies with the Ayatollah who has never called for any type of military action or violence against Israel.

Allan Y - If America wants to build a fence, wall, whatever, as long as they do it on their land it is not a problem. The problem lies when you start building a wall eating into the land of another country and actually separates communities within the land that doesn't belong to them and controls the movement of the population.

Bob - As long as they are not taking Egyptian land, they can build whatever they want on their land. The only problem is sometimes when walls are built with the original intention to keeping out, later is used to keep their own population in. It seems that there is quite a bit of discontent among the Israeli citizenry. You also see a lot of anti-democratic legislation being passed in Israel as of late. It being eventually used to keep Israelis in wouldn't surprise me.

Walter F - I think that there is much more savage animalistic behaviour in the IDF and settlers. I think that perhaps the wall should have been built specifically to keep the settlers in rather than carrying automatic weapons to walk around wherever they chose to. You look at Palestinian deaths. It is not like the Palestinians are walking into Israel and then getting killed. When the IDF does it, especially in Gaza where they allegedly don't operate in, they actually walk onto Palestian land to kill the Palestinians.

Bob, my response was in direct response to Jacquis post about tribalism being somehow the cause of ME conflict. My reference to Gaza was because she began with the statement "The Palestine-Israel tug of war" (making the argument that followed about Palestine and Israel) and stated that "There are millions of square miles available to help resolve all the issues on the table". I used Gaza as a demonstration that there aren't millions of square miles available". So I think your object of discontent should be with Jacquie, not me. I wasn't the one who brought it into the conversation.

Why would you even make a statement as inane as this "asked Arabs in Gaza or West Bank to have as many kids, as possible."

"Islamists ruling Gaza oppose any birth control"

Many Christians, including the Catholic Church opposes birth control. Rick Santorum, Presidential hopeful opposes birth control. So what is your point?

You are claiming that Egypt attacked Israel? This is really what you are claiming. Does it even remotely mean anything to you when we have Menachem Begin stating that "In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him."

Tysu Jung - Where are radical Muslims trying to take over Israel? I think you have it backwards. The Palestinians are not occupying Israel, it is the other way around.
 

Colleen L. (2)
Monday December 12, 2011, 11:31 pm
Why is it that we have people who always have to put up their fences? To me all that they are doing is asking for trouble. I wish we could have a world full of peace!
Thanks Cal
 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 12, 2011, 11:32 pm
For those who claim "implaccable Arab maniacs" (Stan), "implaccable Arab maniacs" (Stan again), "savage animals" (Walter Firth), "savage animals" (Walter again), and "Radical" (Tysu).

"Dozens of Settlers Break Into IDF Base in West Bank, Vandalize Property"

-50 settlers and right-wing activists entered a key West Bank military base early Tuesday morning and threw rocks, burned tires, and vandalized military vehicles

- a group of 17 right-wing activists, three of them minors, occupied structures near the border. The activists said the action was intended as a message to Jordanian authorities to keep out of Temple Mount affairs.


-The activists seized abandoned churches near the Qasr al-Yahud holy site, which is the believed site of Jesus' baptism

-unknown perpetrators infiltrated a base in the Binyamin region and snuck their way to a mechanics workshop on site, where they slashed the tires and cut the cables of twelve army vehicles

I don't think that any of the descriptions applied above by Stan, Walter and Tysu used aren't just indicative behaviour of one class of people. From what I posted above, these traits are also found in human beings of all walks of life, including violent terrorist settlers.

 

Denny S. (5)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 12:00 am
Noted, and thanks.
 

Stan B. (123)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 12:21 am
Alisa. Are you serious? Are you trying to equate the behaviour of right wing Israeli settlers who broke into an IDF base and vandalised property with savages who deliberately target children with suicide bombs or slit the throats of sleeping babies. Absolutely unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't read your profile because I'm not all that interested in your naive comments but I'd bet you're a member of the looney left who has swallowed the Palestinian propaganda line, hook, line and sinker.You have a lot to learn about Middle East politics.
Bob A. Not a lot of point refering to the Egyptian Entity. The way things are going there with the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood, it's soon going to be the Egyptian Non-Entity.
John D. Deaths in Syria caused by the Bashir regime have now passed 5000. You must be very proud of him.
 

Parvez Zuberi (7)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 1:01 am
They may build wall all-round Israel but it will not save them from the punishment from GOD what they do to poor unarmed innocent people of Palestinian
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 1:49 am
The Zionists murder another innocent at another wall.

http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/topics/news/3976-eyewitness-describes-mustafa-tamimis-last-moments

From the Popular Struggle Coordination Committee


Mustafa Tamimi, a 28 year old resident of Nabi Saleh, was shot in the face yesterday, during the weekly protest in the village of Nabi Saleh. He sustained a critical head injury, under his right eye, and was evacuated to the Belinson hospital in Petah Tikwa. The severe trauma to Tamimi’s brain, caused by the shooting, left the doctors with little to do to save his life, and he eventually passed away at 09:21 AM today.

Tamimi’s funeral will take place tomorrow, leaving Ramallah at 10:00 AM towards Nabi Saleh, where it is expected to reach at around 11:00 AM.



Mustafa Tamimi (left) a moment before his injury. Circled in red are the barrel of the gun and the projectile that hit him. Picture credit: Haim Scwarczenberg

A photo of the incident shows Tamimi at a distance of less than 10 meters behind the semi-open door of an armored military jeep with the gun aimed directly at him. Clearly visible in the photo is also the tear-gas projectile flying in his direction.

The incident took place in the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh today, when dozens gathered for the weekly demonstration in the village, protesting the theft of village lands by the adjacent Jewish-only settlement of Nabi Saleh. After the army dispersed the peaceful march, minor clashes erupted followed by a severe response from the Israeli forces. Several people were hit with rubber-coated bullets and directly shot tear-gas projectiles. Three were evacuated to the Ramallah hospital for further treatment, including a 14 year-old. One protester was arrested.

In complete disregard to the army’s own open fire regulations, soldiers often shoot tear-gas projectiles directly at groups of protesters or individuals. Rubber-coated bullets are indiscriminately shot at protesters from short distances on a regular basis. The Israeli army also resumed the use of high velocity tear-gas projectiles in Nabi Saleh

, despite the fact that they have been declared banned for use, after causing the death of Bassem Abu Rahmah in the neighboring village of Bil’in, in April 2009, and the critical injury of American protester Tristan Anderson

in Ni’ilin in March of the same year.

The demonstrations, which have been held regularly for the past two years have seen hundreds of injuries to protesters by Israeli forces, as well as dozens of arrests carried out by Israel with the aim of suppressing dissent.
 

Eyad S. (2)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 1:59 am
noted thanks
 

Nikhil V. (8)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 2:19 am
Israel, over-aggressive
 

Elize Labuschagne (190)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 3:05 am
Israel must do everything it can to protect it's people. Any other country will do the same.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 3:32 am
noted
 

JOHNLEWIS HODDINOTT (77)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 4:51 am
ISRAEL
Can do is it wisher's,on Israeli soil.

The fence has been long over due

Mazeltov.
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 5:01 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Alisa because you have done so within the last week
 

John Gregoire (264)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 5:45 am
Hard to add to all the good points made above. I wonder if we are paying for that barrier?
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 5:53 am
Bob
1 - I didn't say that Israel didn't take a centimeter from the Egyptian land. What I said is that Israel can keep its citizens in a Ghetto and that I don't mind as long as Israel is building "in the land they used to live on according to the truce lines until the fourth of June 1967.One centimeter more will be denied by all its neighbors and represents an aggression on other people's land." If Israel is going to take any centimeter from the Egyptian land,this will be an other story and will be handled severely.

2 - More over I want to teach you if you are ignorant in history that Egypt has been a STATE thousands of years before Judaism while what is called the state of Israel is just an entity because it is not recognized by most of its neighbors and it has no borders and never had a map.

3 - Sinai was not deliberately given by Israel to Egypt. Egypt started freeing Sinai on Yum Kippur 1973 .The Egyptian army crossed the Suez canal ,destroyed Barlieve defence wall.Golda Mayer called upon USA to help as the IDF was like french cheese ( according to Moshe Dayan ) . Kissinger interfered and UNSC asked the two sides to cease fire. Israel agreed although Sharon brigade could open a gap and cross the canal and move towards sues. Israel knew that its troops on the west side of Suez canal were hostages and will be smashed by the surrounding Egyptian forces . Israeli troops couldn't enter the city and many of its tanks were destroyed in attacks by the Egyptian resistance in Suez. Up till this moment the Zionist entity still remembers this lesson.

4 - As for the wall in the Palestinian territories,the International Court had decided that it is illegal and must be torn as it is built on the Palestinian occupied land.
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 5:59 am
Israel medics complicit with abuse of prisoners: study
Nov 03, 2011 at 16:05




By AFP
JERUSALEM (AFP) - Israeli medics are complicit in the ill-treatment and abuse of Palestinian prisoners, in breach of the Hippocratic oath, two Israeli rights groups said in a report published on Thursday.

The report focuses on medical professionals who have witnessed, participated in or been in contact with prisoners who have been interrogated by the Shin Bet internal security service, formally known in English as the Israel Security Agency, which it says often inflicts physical or psychological violence.

The 61-page study -- "Doctoring the Evidence, Abandoning the Victim" -- was put together by the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI), and the Israel chapter of Physicians For Human Rights.

The findings were based on testimonies and the files of over 100 alleged victims of torture and ill-treatment handled by PCATI since 2007, and shows that medical professionals "are frequently involved either actively or passively in torture or ill-treatment," it said.

PCATI spokesman Edan Ring told AFP that the alleged victims were all Palestinians, "under suspicion of being connected with security issues."

Whether through direct action or through their silence, medical professionals were complicit with what goes on in the interrogation rooms, the report said.

It added that evidence showed that medical professionals were doing this by systematically failing to properly document prisoners' injuries, by the failure to report abuse, and by sending detainees back to their interrogators even after seeing the injuries they had sustained.

In some cases, they also handed private medical data to interrogators, and frequently put the needs of the interrogation before the welfare of the patient, it said.

"This report reveals significant evidence arousing the suspicion that many doctors ignore the complaints of their patients; that they allow Israel Security Agency (ISA) interrogators to use torture," it said.

It added that medical staff, "approve the use of forbidden interrogation methods and the ill-treatment of helpless detainees; and conceal information, thereby allowing total impunity for the torturers."

The spokeswoman for the Israel Medical Association could not be reached for comment on Thursday evening but the Israel Prisons Service said that staff in its facilities followed procedures that were subject to broad outside oversight.

"The Prisons Service acts according to the law," spokeswoman Sivan Weizman told AFP. "It is supervised by many bodies."

Ring said that many interrogations were however conducted in the Shin Bet's own buildings, rather than in regular prisons.

The report said that Shin Bet interrogators are shielded from any oversight, trial or punishment by the law enforcement authorities, who systematically refuse to investigate them.

And they were also being protected by medical professionals who interact with the detainees, it said.

Ring said that copies of the report had been sent to the Israel Medical Association, the health ministry and other relevant bodies.

"We are hopeful that this report will help the medical system change its ways," wrote PCATI executive director Ishai Menuchin and Ran Cohen, executive director of Physicians for Human Rights: Israel.
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 6:04 am
Abdessalam,

2. The Egyptian Republic was declared was declared on 18 June 1953. The modert state of Egypt (Egyptian Entity for John) is younger than Israel, founded in 1948. If you deny existence of Israel under Turks or Brits, do that to your place as well.

3. What did Begin gave to Sadat when Sadat came to Israel as the part of the peace deal? If IDF were like a french cheese, don't you think brave and mighty Egyptian generals would not want to crash it? See, Abdessalam, many authors write ridiculous things to make their books popular. And don't forget than Kissinger care about Egyptian interests more than about Israeli ones.

4. We are talking about the war between Egypt and Israel, if you read the article. Do you have anything against that wall?
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 6:32 am
Henry
Do you remember the story of the six agents of the Zionist spying service ( MOSSAD) who were arrested on 9/11 dancing and taking pictures of the twin towers then released by NYPD when they knew they were Israeli Mossad agents? Did you ever ask yourself why they were dancing and why they were released before investigation ? Few days ago a secret, about the intended provocation of Japanese by USA to push them to bomb Pearl Harbor to take it as an excuse to involve USA in world war 2,has been revealed after 70 years. Hopefully we are not going to wait an other 70 years to know who really did 9/11
 

Hans L. (958)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 6:38 am
Fear builds walls hope builds BRIDGES...its time for NEW BRIDGES to all the Neighbours....
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 7:40 am
Stan B

And deaths of service personnel have surpassed 1300. This during an allegedly peaceful revolt.
 

Sybil Sable (0)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 7:42 am
I belieteve in Israel defending itself. If thete it put up a wall, so be it!
 

Andrea Connelly (94)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 2:01 pm
Unfortunately walls can work to the detriment of those who built them. Should there be floods, ( unlikely in Israel), or other natural or military disasters where people need to get out of their self imposed confinement, where would they go? Sounds a little too claustrophobic to me. Sounds too much like the European ghettos, not a good idea in my opinion. Why the heck can't we all be happy???
 

Vicky P. (466)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 2:51 pm
Israel always icloates themselves away from everyone else and wonders why everyone hates them, besides a few idiots that condone their killing of people and stealing land.
 

TERRANCE N. (65)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 3:37 pm
When will the world acknowledge the genius among us and resolve the detructive mindset of possession, greed, military hegemony, and war crimes. These people have always been amongst us on both sides; Ghandi, King, Christ, Einstein, Abass, Rabin, Cater, etc,.

These people are usually persecuted, assassiniated, marginialized, and scorned to make way for the war mongers.

Jacquie, you are absolutely correct, there is enough land and food to go around for everyone. Just look at a country like the United States. Rich beyond all measure. But at the core you have a 1% who control what e think, who is rich or poor, who goes to jail not based on the crime you commit but what class you are in.

This ruling elite is worldwide. Basically they are the Rothschild Zionist.This group have succeeded in dividing not only American, but the world in the camps of have and have nots. This wall being built by Israel is only symbolic of a worldwide divide that is soon coming to a climax.

The wall buildings, the gated communities, and all those bigots who feel themselves special and privileged will eventually occupy their own mental and physical hell if they haven't already.
 

Jonjon Hoy (146)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 4:03 pm
Another Great Wall of China, Another Berlin Wall and another Border Fence. Whats Next?
 

Jo Asprec (0)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 6:57 pm
Thanks for making us aware of this issue.
 

Mary P. (157)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 7:09 pm
All Apartheid walls wil come down one day when the Might of GOD will Make 'We the People'
Rise against them and smash them to smithereens.

Bob, its Not only the islamic freedom fighters who are against the illegal occupation and apartheid systems
Of the State of Israel; even the True Torah Jews, the Rabbis and Sages, many
World countries too are against these 'scared cats' (possessors of Rogue Nukes).

Bob and others who condone israels theft, oppresions and murders of innocent
people , please note building Apartheid Walls will not keep the Truth of israel's atrocities and
Senseless Crimes against Humanity, hidden.

Israel is the Attacker(aggressor) against whom the palestinians need to defend themselves!
Its time to remove the Blinkers and SEE the truth: 'THE STATE OF
ISRAEL IS NOT THE VICTIM; THEY ARE THE PERPETRATORS AND
OPPRESSORS of innocent fellow human beings!
 

Gary A L. (137)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 8:57 pm
And so Israel and the Jews who were persecuted now become just like the nazi's who persecuted them
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 13, 2011, 11:53 pm
Well, I say we hire Israel to come build the fence along our southern border. Even though that fence they are building doesn't look very "impenetrable," it's certainly better than what we've currently got in place along a majority of that border. Kudos to Israel for doing what they can to keep their people safe!!
 

KS Goh (0)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 4:32 am
Thanks for the article.
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 7:26 am
Several things occur to me reading this. Judaism/Hebrews( I will use the terms inter-changeable even if it is not exactly correct) is now and always has been more than just a little xenophobic. They have no problem with trade, so long as it on their terms and to their benefit. But historically, they do not proselytize but will accept converts, they are not overly accepting of intermarriage with 'others', one is Hebrew only if your mother was Hebrew. And for all of their hatred of the Nazi isolating them in ghettos and robbing them of property and freedom, they have had absolutely no qualms about doing the same, as the best they can, to the Palestinian People. And as seen by they Egyptian wall they have no problem isolating themselves. And to be honest their security problems originate from the fact that the British artificially carved out a nation for them from the existing territories of others. The Israelis demand that others, particularly demand that the Palestinians recognize their right to exist as a Nation but refuse to recognize the Palestinians right to exist as a Nation. The safety of the Israeli people would be far better served by the Israelis treating others the exact same way that they demand to be treated.
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 9:27 am
Bob
Egypt as a country has been a STATE a long time ago .Over 7000 years have passed since it has a central government. A 7 years old student in an elementary school knows this fact.If you can't understand that Egypt has been a state and had a people ( Egyptians ) thousands of years ago,I advise you to rejoin an elementary school to learn more about world history.
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 10:28 am
John
This is an other part of Tamim story you posted yesterday as published in " Just foreign policy "

Palestinians mourn protester killed at demo
Hossam Ezzedine, AFP, Sun, Dec 11, 2011
http://news.yahoo.com/palestinians-mourn-protester-killed-demo-102341867.html

Thousands of Palestinians gathered in the West Bank village of Nabi Saleh on Sunday to mourn a man who died after being hit in the head by an Israeli tear gas canister.

Mustafa Abdelrazek al-Tamimi's body was taken from the city of Ramallah in a funeral procession to the central Manara Square before being driven by ambulance to his home village of Nabi Saleh.

Tamimi was critically wounded in the village on Friday by an Israeli tear gas canister that hit him in the head after being fired at close range. He was evacuated to an Israeli hospital but died the next day of his wounds.

In Nabi Saleh, around 2,000 people gathered to receive the 28-year-old's body, which was draped with the Palestinian flag, his head covered with the black-and-white checkered keffiyeh scarf.
[...]
Palestinian lawmaker Walid Assaf, head of the Palestinian Legislative Council's committee against Jewish settlements, told mourners that peaceful protests should continue despite the incident.

"They want to turn our unarmed struggle into an armed struggle," he said. "But this will not change our policy of peaceful struggle against settlements and against the occupation."
[...]
Tamimi was hit by a canister during a weekly Friday protest against the nearby settlement of Halamish, which activists say sits on stolen village land and has blocked their access to the village spring.

A photograph distributed by activists purportedly showing Tamimi seconds before he was hit shows a tear gas canister flying towards him, apparently having been shot from the back of a military vehicle just metres (yards) away.
[...]
"He was shot from close range, around 20 metres (yards), with a tear gas projectile that hit him in the eye," said Jonathan Pollak, a veteran Israeli activist who was at the demonstration.
[...]
The Israeli rights group B'tselem says Tamimi was the 20th person to be killed at similar West Bank demonstrations over the past eight years. He was the first person to be killed in Nabi Saleh demonstrations in two years.

B'tselem spokeswoman Sarit Michaeli said the group was calling for a full military probe into who shot the fatal round, who ordered the shooting and the practice of firing tear gas canisters directly at protesters.

"The most serious issue is that the military is regularly firing tear gas canisters directly at Palestinian demonstrators risking their death, contrary to their orders," she told AFP.
[...]
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 10:58 am
Thank you Abdessalam.

It is beyong belief that this could happen in this day and age, especially with the internet. During the recent riots in the UK, there was wild talk about "bringing the army in". If they had, imagine the worldwide outcry if such a death had happened.

I am not exagerrating when I say that they will "excuse" this atrocity by saying that he walked into the missile himself.
 

surjit k. (1)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 12:36 pm
This conflict / hate between Jews and Arabs/muslims is NOT a recent occurrence, ie, Not at the creation of the State of Israel it goes back to the times of mo-ham-mad and it well documented in Quran Sura 5:51 " Believers take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends and protectors, for they are friends and protectors of one another.Whoever of you seeks their friendship and supports them shall become one of their number.Allah does not guide the wrong doers " So the hate of Jews and Christians is nearly 1432 years old.
Alisa, I suggest you google " Resolution 181 Of The United Nations " and read it before you make fool of yourself. I suggest others to read it too. Israel has all the right to build wall as it pleases them.
For those who think that State of Israel should not exist, then would you also say that Pakistan and Bangladesh also must NOT exist because it was carved out of India, at the same time as State of Israel was created 1948.
just see www.blip.tv/file/1382254 and www.thereligionofpeace.com
 

surjit k. (1)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 1:09 pm
Gary A L. " And so now Israel and the Jews who were persecuted now become just like Nazi's who persecuted them " Looks like you don't know who the real Nazis were and are.? see www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com you will learn some thing .
Mary P. You still have your knickers in the twist. Do you still refuse to read "Resolution181 of the United Nations".? Viva ,Israel.
Pravez Zuvari. " They may built wall all around Israel but it will not save them from the punishment from God. What they do to the poor unarmed innocent people of Palestine. " Who are you kidding.? You mean to say Palestinians are poor and unarmed ? You have to have your head examined. www.thereligionofpeace.com
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 3:32 pm
"ISRAEL
Can do is it wisher's,on Israeli soil.

The fence has been long over due "

Do you just intentional make untrue statements just to stir the pot?
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 4:25 pm
Surjit - Fine let's invoke the Parittion plan. It would actually benefit the Palestinians.

It is really sad when people direct others to read something that they don't even understand. I also see you are form the UK and maybe the Brits rather than blame everyone except themselves should take some responsibility for the conflict because it was their double dealing dishonesty which started the problem in the first place.

The UN Partition recommended a partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab along with an International Zone around Bethlehem and Jerusalem. The partition gave the 6.8% of the land belonging to the 30%Jewish minority of the population 55% of the land. After the war of Independence, Israel had ethnically expelled 750,000 people and gained an additional 22% of land which has been in Israel control since the war.

You want to enforce UN Resolution 181 right now, I think that Mary and I both would welcome it. Not only would Israel lose the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza which are not considered by law, nor by any other country as part of Israel (this is what the root of the conflict is). They also would lose an additional 22% of Israel which no one is disputing because the Palestinians ceded this 22% during the peace process.

Here you are telling Mary and I to read UN Resolution 181, yet you have no idea what it even means. I will make this clear. IT WOULD HARM ISRAEL TO ACTUALLY REVERT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL PARTITION OF 1947. Israel would obvioulsy lose any land gains which was and additional 22% because under International law, including the 4th Geneva Conventions which Israel is a signatory to, land gained through force or acquired through force, are inadmissable. It doesn't matter who was the aggressor, it is inadmissable.

I like you arguing for support of Israel because you actually harm their cause. Bravo!

This is what kills me. We have people who have no interest in even reading enough history to understand what happened before, during and after the establishment of International law. Then people like Surjit, obvlivious to the history attempts to make people read something which actually is harmful to the cause he is fighting for.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 7:10 am
They have either swallowed the propaganda because they have a prior prejudice to the cause, or they have no critical faculties, or they are ignorant, or they are deliberately lying.

It amazes me the stuff you can get people to swallow. Some loon was peddling "magnesium oil" on a health thread recently as a cure for 84 serious conditions. People were actually asking where they could get it . And DIDN'T stop asking when I found out and posted that this snake oil was..... wait for it...... concentrated seawater!
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 8:49 am
I welcome enforcement of UN 181 immediately.
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 9:40 am
it seems that Surjit has no idea about the holy Quran when he quotes some verses and interpret them with ignorance.He navigates and search looking for the hatred websites which promote hatred against Islam and Muslims like the one he refers to. The Quran was not descended to Muslims as a whole , namely its verses were descended to address a specific situation or a problem.As Surjit is ignorant of this fact I am going to teach him about the circumstances in which the verses he mentioned were descended.
Muslims who were forced to immigrate from Mecca to Yathrib ( later renamed Almadinah ) were subject to an attack by the non believers near Almadina close to a hill called Ohud. In the beginning of the battle Muslims won and thus those of them who were responsible to protect the front, left their positions and started collecting war gains as used to happen then. The non believers gathered again and attacked Muslims who almost lost the battle. From the military point of view ,one or two of Muslims suggested to have some sort of alliance between Muslims on one hand and Jews or Christians living in or around Almadina on the other hand against the non believers who were thought to re attack Muslims but many Muslims said that there is no need for the suggested alliance . This was the situation when these verses were descended to object that alliance. Muslims can be friends to Jews, Christians , Hindus or people of any faith or even non believers. This is very obvious from the following six verses which implicitly teach us to practice tolerance even with Atheists, and tell us to treat non Muslims with respect but yet disapproval.
" IN THE NAME OF GOD , THE MERCY- GIVING , THE MERCIFUL
* SAY 'O DISBLIEVERS
I DO NOT WORSHIP WHAT YOU WORSHIP
NOR ARE YOU WORSHIPPING WHAT I DO
I WILL NOT WORSHIP WHAT YOU HAVE WORSHIPPED,
NEITHER WILL YOU WORSHIP WHAT I WORSHIP
YOU HAVE YOUR RELIGION
AND I HAVE MY RELIGION.'

Most of my friends on Care2 for example are not Muslims . I am proud to have Jewish,Christian,Muslim and even non believers . I never look at a person's religion whom I want to add or those who want to add me as a friend.
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 9:47 am
A comment by the Israeli HAARETZ about the 28 years old Palestinian who was kiled as John and myself mentioned on this forum .

In Israel, The Life of a Palestinian is Cheap

When it comes to shooting a Palestinian, pulling the trigger does not come with a real fear of having to answer to the law.

Haaretz Editorial

December 13, 2011 "Haaretz" -- The pictures from Friday's events in Nabi Saleh are hard to swallow: An Israel Defense Forces soldier opens the back door of an armored military jeep and, from a distance of just a few meters, fires a tear-gas canister directly at a young man who is throwing stones. After the canister is fired, the jeep continues on its way without stopping.

A photographer on the scene relates that the young man "fell to the ground, remained conscious for a few seconds, and then began bleeding profusely from the region of his eye." He was subsequently evacuated for treatment at Beilinson Hospital, where he was sedated and placed on a respirator. On Saturday, he died from his wounds.

The incident took place during the weekly demonstration held by residents of Nabi Saleh against the expropriation of their land in favor of the nearby settlement of Halamish and the settlers' takeover of a spring that served the Palestinian residents. The young man who was killed has a name - Mustafa Tamimi, 28, a resident of the village and regular participant in the demonstrations that have been taking place there every Friday for the past two years.

The IDF Spokesman's Office said in response that "the army is looking into the incident." But one needs to wonder about the use of the term "looking into." A report published last week by Yesh Din-Volunteers for Human Rights, which examined 192 complaints - including an analysis of the content of 67 Military Police investigations into various types of severe harm to Palestinian civilians and their property - reveals that 96.5 percent of the total number of complaints are closed without indictments.

The reasons for this are varied - the lack of Military Police bases in the West Bank, professional shortcomings in the Military Police investigations, victims who retract complaints for fear of losing permits or suffering harm at the hands of soldiers they have complained against. But the conclusion is obvious: When it comes to shooting a Palestinian, pulling the trigger does not come with a real fear of having to answer to the law.

On the day Tamimi was killed, Chaim Levinson published a report in Haaretz that dealt with the failings of the Israel Police's Judea and Samaria District with regard to investigations into harm to Palestinians. Concerning the killing of 10-year-old girl Abir Aramin by the IDF in early 2007, the High Court of Justice ruled that the incident was improperly handled; and to date, no one has been called on to answer for the 2009 killing of demonstrator Bassem Abu Rahme. Will the death of Mustafa Tamimi be added to the statistics that show that in Israel, the life of a Palestinian is cheap?


 

Bob Algeron (47)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 12:35 pm
Abdessalam, Yesh Bin begs Palestinian Arabs to file claims knowing full well how bogus they are. Then they can claim how few of them were justified.

Hopefully, hate-promoting foreign agencies, like Islamist PR machine you quoted will be denied foreign money to promote their dirty goals.

When Palestinian Arabs claims are justified - the land remains theirs. You did not mention that stealing land in general is very popular among Palestinians. Even Hamas had to evict some Gaza land grabbers.

The article is about Israel building a wall at the border with Egypt, and has nothing to do with Arabs from the West Bank and Gaza.

If you want other to recognize Egypt as a state related to pharaons, do not deny King Solomon Temple in Jerusalem. Koran does not teach not to do to others what you don't want for yourself. And that's bad.

Israel gave Arabs full rights. Arab states expelled Jews and are constantly abusing Christians, including Egypt. And yet there are many here who don't want to recognize it as an issue and are trying to divert attention.

 

Bob Algeron (47)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 1:20 pm
"They have either swallowed the propaganda because they have a prior prejudice to the cause, or they have no critical faculties, or they are ignorant, or they are deliberately lying. "

Lots of respect to those with different opinion.
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 1:24 pm
Abdessalam, "I welcome enforcement of UN 181 immediately." is good, as well as 242, etc.

Just don't forget that Arab states have to compensate Jewish refugees as much as they want to compensate Arab refugees, and see what Egypt could do to settle Arabs looking for a country to live. Learn from Israel, how they accepted all Jews kicked out from Arab countries, learn from Germans how they accepted 1,000,000+ German refugees from Russia and Hungary, learn how Uzbeks accepted their brothers and try to make something honorable from statements like "One Arab Nation".
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 3:14 pm
Bob Algeron

"Lots of respect to those with different opinion. "

I have no respect whatever for those who pontificate on these threads without having read the history or even knowing the events about which they blather. We have people basing their "opinions" on Joan Peters, who has been comprehensively debunked, for example.
 

Gary A L. (137)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 9:24 pm
Surjit you can post all the propaganda sites you want that doesn't mean they are right as a matter of fact the sight you post is nothing but lies that's all Israel has to offer in defence of their brutality
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 11:15 pm
"They have either swallowed the propaganda because they have a prior prejudice to the cause, or they have no critical faculties, or they are ignorant, or they are deliberately lying. "

Lots of respect to those with different opinion.

While essentially everything you state is steeped in Islamophobia, you actually believe that you deserve respect for citing thoroughly debunked propaganda?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 16, 2011, 1:29 am
Bob Algeron states:--

"how they accepted all Jews kicked out from Arab countries,"

Except the Jews were not "kicked out" from Arab countries. Is there any point to reply to such an Islamophobe who clearly uses tainted sources?
 

Bob Algeron (47)
Friday December 16, 2011, 4:50 am
850,000 Jews were kicked off from Arab states, robbed and left penniless.

John, you won't scare me by using your "being as Islamophobe" tactic. Iraqi government took a law prohibiting return property stolen from Jews to its owners. Call Iraqi government Islamophobic for confirming the fact.

Here are some numbers.


YEMEN 55,000 in 1948
200 today
Pogrom in Aden killing 82 Jews and destroying homes (1947)

ALGERIA 140,000 in 1948
Less then 100 today

EGYPT
80,000 in 1948
Less than 100 today
25,000 + Jews were ordered to leave with 1 suitcase
Forced to sign declarations "donating" property to Egypt.

IRAN
100,000 in 1948
25,000 today

LYBIA
Over 30,000 before 1945
Today : O
In 1945 more than 140 Jews were murdered in Tripoli.

IRAQ
150,000 in 1948
Less than 40 today
In 1941,180 Jews murdered in Baghdad pogrom.

LEBANON
30,000 in 1948
Less than 30 today.

MOROCCO
500,000 in 1948
7,000 today

SYRIA
30,000 in 1948
Less than 100 today
200 homes,shops,synagogues were destroyed in Aleppo (1947)

TUNISIA
105,000 in 1948
 

Past Member (0)
Friday December 16, 2011, 6:02 am
Right Bob. That figure includes the Moroccan Jews. Seeing that it took 40 years for most of them to leave and many went to Canada or France and not the Zionist Entity, your allegation that they were "kicked out" looks rather suspect.

The Algerian Jews had French nationality and most chose to retain it and went to France.

The Tunisian Jews didn't get "kicked out" either. Most left after the 67 war. See "La Goualette".

The Iraqi Jews were forced out after a bombing campaign by the Zionist Jewish underground made to look as if the Muslim Brothers had done it. They didn't want to leaev. See Giladi.

The Yemenite Jews were kidnapped.

Syria and Lebanon tried to keep their Jews.

Looks as if your claim is pretty threadbare hasbara.
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Saturday December 17, 2011, 11:15 am
Most Jew who left Egypt were not Egyptians. The fled Europe and came to Egypt and lived there as foreigners.They refused to apply for the Egyptian citizenship because they thought they can gain from the privileges granted by law to foreign residents. Those who were holding Egypt's nationality continued to live in Egypt until the Jewish agency encouraged them to leave to the promised land. Other continued living until October 1956 and left only during the Zionist attack against Egypt in cooperation with France and Britain after Egypt nationalized Suez canal company late July 1956. Egypt still has a small Jewish community who preferred to live safe in Egypt rather than going to the Vanishing Zionist entity.
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Saturday December 17, 2011, 11:23 am
Poor Bob
You must be referring to the new fascist draft of law regarding the NGOs and Journalists in your beloved racist fascist Zionist entity which falsely pretends to be the only democracy in the ME.
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Saturday December 17, 2011, 11:41 am

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Thursday December 15, 2011, 5:48 am
Renowned investigative journalist Michael Collins Piper joins the program to discuss his latest book ‘Confessions of an Anti-Semite’, and not just the who, what, where, when and how of the important historical question concerning ‘anti-Semitism’, but more importantly – “WHY?”

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Past Member (0)
Saturday December 17, 2011, 12:19 pm
Thank you Abdessalam.

That's a given with the hasbara crowd. They shriek, "The Egyptian Jews didn't even have nationality", without adding that they were foreigners.

I might add that the ramifications of Operation Susannah (the Lavon Affair) also made life extremely difficult for the Jewish community in Egypt as the operatives were recruited from their ranks. But the Zionist Entity didn't give a toss about that, of course.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 17, 2011, 2:41 pm
They actually said as much John. Ariel Sharon certainly was one that believed that the actions were always justified as long as they led to a desirable result for the State of Israel as a Jewish State. For instance "Let me tell me [sic] what is the most important thing, the sweetest fruit of the war in Lebanon: It is that now they don't just hate Israel. Thanks to us, they now also hate all those Feinschmecker Jews in Paris, London, New York, Frankfurt and Montreal, in all their holes. At last they hate all these nice Yids, who say they are different from us, that they are not Israeli thugs, that they are different Jews, clean and decent. Soon their palaces will be smeared with the slogan: Yids, go to Palestine! And you know what? They will go to Palestine because they will have no other choice! All this is a bonus we received from the Lebanese war. Tell me, wasn't it worth it?"
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 17, 2011, 4:30 pm
He was certainly a loathsome man. What makes people like that? To say that the murder of women and children in the infamous one-ton bomb on the block of flats to get one guy was worth it? To continue a war against defenceless Lebanon simply to become the first Zionist to occupy an Arab capital? To allow, nay, collude in the massacre of 1000s of people in the camps? Such evil. And evil toerated and supported by the West.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 17, 2011, 8:07 pm
Scum bucket extraordinaire for sure. Not caring that his actions were fostering a hatred of the Jewish people by his actions, putting them at risk and almost to be gleeful when these people have to flee their homes because of Israel's aggression and destruction.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 13, 2012, 1:54 pm
"Scum Bucket"? More anti-Semitic rants from Hitler's Anonymous Little Darling, a.k.a. "Alisa L.". Saying anything she can to defend the cult of Islam and demonize Jews. I think "Scum Bucket" is a more appropriate title to people who cowardly steal other people's pictures and spread Neo-Nazi sentiment on these boards, "Alisa L." in particular.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 13, 2012, 3:04 pm
Where has she demonised Jews? She has criticised some aspects of what Zionism has become and the inexcusable actions of the Zionist Entity.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 13, 2012, 5:59 pm
In almost every one of her posts. You would be able to see it if you weren't a bigot. And blaming hatred of the Jews on Ariel Sharon? Gimme a break.... That's like blaming hatred of all the Muslims because of Osama Bin Laden. Ariel Sharon isn't 'every Jew", and Alisa has made many bigoted anti-Semitic blanket statements.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 13, 2012, 6:09 pm
No she hasn't. And if the anti-semitism in her posts were so clear, then you should be able to C&P an example, instead of issuing a blanket condemnation. That doesn't cut it and until you can be specific, you're just a libellous troll.

As for Ariel Sharon, you have it the wrong way round. That cabbage (oh the poor thing) expressly provoked anti-semitism to try to benefit the Zionist Entity. She didn't blame him for Jew-hatred, she quoted him gloatingly stating that he caused it deliberately.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 13, 2012, 6:12 pm
I did cite an example. And you're obviously a part of tne Neo-Nazi bandwagon.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 13, 2012, 6:17 pm
Well, cite it again.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 13, 2012, 6:26 pm
Bob Algeron

"Iraqi government took a law prohibiting return property stolen from Jews to its owners"

Oh, would that be something like the laws in the Zionist Entity that prevent etnnically cleansed owners of land and property who happen to be Muslim or Christian from retieving their property even if they are citizens of the Entity?

Would that be something like the Bedouin of the Naqab (who are Entity citiens) being disposessed, as we write, of their land and property?

Indeed, what is that law specifically in Iraq? What decree, what act of parliament?
 

Abdessalam Diab (151)
Saturday April 14, 2012, 11:26 am
Esteban de Sade
1 - After almost 126 days,someone,who wants to " help make the world a better place" and whose causes are legalization of prostitution and legalization of drugs,wakes up and show on this forum/thread not to show us how can he help making world a better place but to name one of the commentators ( Elisa L.)"Scum Bucket" and says that " it " is a more appropriate title to people who cowardly steal other people's pictures and spread Noe-Nazi sentiment on these boards, "Alisa L." in particular." At the same time he fails to challenge any of her comments.
Accusing people who say the truth and speak " FACTS " against the crimes of the Zionist entity of antisemitism and other times as New Nazists is just shit.Alisa and all others including my self don't talk about Jews or Judaism,it is( if you can read and understand what you read) about Zionism and the crimes of the Zionist entity called Israel. I am sure that you don't understand the difference although you are the latest player in the Zionist Orchestra. I advise you "To properly identify the root" of Zionism and the objection it faces from real Jews.
2 - If you call Alisa L. a "scum bucket' for stealing other people's pictures " (which I am sure you can't provide an evidence for this allegation) What can you call the Zionist entity and Zionist settlers who are stealing the land of Palestinians and building illegal settlement on it? Do you dare condemning this behaviour /crime or you fear Zionism if you are not a Zionist ?.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 14, 2012, 12:29 pm
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Abdessalam because you have done so within the last week.

Hinna najma dahabia
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 19, 2012, 11:20 pm
Abdessalam:
"whose causes are legalization of prostitution and legalization of drugs,wakes up and show on this forum/thread not to show us how can he help making world a better place but to name one of the commentators ( Elisa L.)"Scum Bucket" and says that " it " is a more appropriate title to people who cowardly steal other people's pictures and spread Noe-Nazi sentiment on these boards, "Alisa L." in particular." At the same time he fails to challenge any of her comments."
According to you, there is no challenge because your retarded "faith" can move mountains or whatever, and that makes you so sanctimonious. You want to make a moral judgement on me? At least I'm honest. Tell me, did you marry a 6 year old like your favorite role-model? Is your wife's genitalia altered? Was your Mamma's?
''If you call Alisa L. a "scum bucket' for stealing other people's pictures " (which I am sure you can't provide an evidence for this allegation) ''
What evidence can you provide of anything? Anything at all? Just because it is your word which is so infallible, or what you choose to believe from someone else, does that make it true? Well of course, to you, it does.
"What can you call the Zionist entity and Zionist settlers who are stealing the land of Palestinians and building illegal settlement on it?"
What do you call FGM? Pedophilia? Killing gay people? It's all OK as long as it is falls under the primitive instructions of your sacred cow. Your friend 'alisa' (the REAL one) sure looks like a cow anyways.
Go bow down towards the black box and pray, pray your butt off for all I care LOL. Make all this stop if your sacred cow is so almighty and powerful and there is no other god but her. Doh....
Sending a pig liver, a bottle of vodka and a pet dog is a simple way to say "Thank you"
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