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ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION: "Self Deportation": It's a Real Thing, and It Isn't Pretty


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: politics, Mitt ROmney, illegal immigration, self deportation, tactics, heavyhanded tacts, usa, news, government, ethics, republicans, u.s. )

Cal
- 814 days ago - motherjones.com
Mitt Romney unveiled a novel solution for illegal immigration during Tuesday night's GOP debate, saying that he'd rely on "self-deportation" to reduce the number of unauthorized immigrants in the US.



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Past Member (0)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 4:45 am
noted
 

Maryann Birdsall (20)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 4:53 am
I think Twit Romney should "self deport" to somewhere far away.
 

Carol H. (229)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 5:15 am
noted, thanks Cal
 

Patricia E. G. (76)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 9:45 am
Immigration is out of control. Legal entry to this country is considered
a joke. You can easily buy falsified ID. Driving Licences, Social Security
cards, even Birth Certificates. So Mitt Romney will have to rethink his
plan. Besides, no immigrant is going to self-deport anyway.
 

Lin Penrose (92)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 11:01 am
Noted, thanks Cal. A picture came to my mind when a comparison was made to firewalls in computer programs. The human body incorporates many of the same means of protecting itself against foreign or illegal immigrants through various ways. White blood cells for example, going to a point where a splinter of wood has invaded your skin. The splinter, bringing various susbstances with it, stimulates the white blood cells to kill the unwelcome and unhealthy, producing substances that can eject the unwanted. Our brains have barriers that prevent certain chemicals and other things, from passing into it. Sorry this sounds clinical and anti-social. Perhaps Romney and like thinkers, would eject immigrants like pus is ejected from an infected part of the body, or our cleaning organs deal with the waste products.

My grandparents were 'splinters' to this country at one time and so were nearly everyone else's ancestors that currently live here. The resources of this country seemed limitless to support the immigrating consumers or would be consumers. Perhaps this country now realizes, on one level at least, that was and is a vast untruth. Certainly the whole human world should face the truth. Also to be faced are the reasons for seasonal migration or permanent immigration, legal or not. Resources for survival. Is there enough for everybody, including the other living beings who need resources to survive?
 

Jose Ramon Fisher Rodriguez (13)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 12:10 pm
Been there, gone through that.
 

Tim C. (1528)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 12:19 pm
ty
 

Allan Yorkowitz (458)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 2:40 pm
I would have like to hear some statistics on this. This would not be my plan of choice, but clearly, 11 million illegals is more than a problem.
 

Billie C. (2)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 3:44 pm
why should we make life easy for illegals? it should be so hard to survive that you want to go back and tell others don't bother. come in the right way or stay out. we're tired of paying for illegals.
 

Kate A. (10)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 4:30 pm
at this moment our country has an outrageous amount illegals. working for a non-profit i'm aware that our resources are being rapidly drained, because they aren't going to the right people.
 

cecily w. (0)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 4:58 pm
What needs to be done is to enforce the law. Also fine and seize the assets of individuals and businesses that hire illegal residents, and penalize state and local governments that issue licenses and permits to them.

U.S. population growth is too high, and this population growth is adversely affecting all of us. Our population was 150 million in 1950, is 313 million today, and is projected to reach 423 million by 2050.
 

Rooibos Bird (237)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 5:16 pm

Immigration isn't a problem. Illegal immigration, however, is a problem (for any nation).

Having a difficult time trying to conceptualize just how "self-deportation" works, though with the US in a recession, illegal aliens have been returning to their homelands since they aren't being offered work the way they once were.

Part of this is that Americans, quickly sliding down the economic ladder, are taking many jobs back over they traded up for and left behind as better opportunities opened up, and law enforcement authority activity has convinced many that staying in the USA illegally may result in real consequences. Still, "self-deportation" seems a little like "self-policing" of the banking industry: wishful thinking.

Lin Penrose makes an excellent point, stating, "Resources for survival. Is there enough for everybody, including the other living beings who need resources to survive?"

What's driving the problem and exacerbating it exponentially is global human overpopulation. At the moment, some nations in South America are experiencing dips in the birthrate, but other locations are still producing litters of offspring that no parent could possibly reasonably care for with limited resources. Human overpopulation is causing much of the refugee/immigration push we see, but it's usually out of places which are overcrowded, filthy, famine-struck, depleted, and corrupt to nations which have lower populations and are usually better-governed. But too many humans means big trouble not just for America, but for everyone:

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/sustainability/food-9-billion/philippines-too-many-mouths

To me, it comes down to two things: address gross human overpopulation, and insist on an orderly, law-based process for immigration and stick to it.
 

Good H. (3835)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 6:23 pm
I watched a 60 minutes program (I believe) where they talked about how the INS is deporting 500,000 illegal immigrants per YEAR, with Obama's support. Only a small number are coming in, so there is a HUGE outflow of people happening right now, but it is not in the news.

This happens with every economic downturn or war.. First it was Indians who got shafted and exported to 'reservations', then it was the Chinese who got sent back during a Depression. The Japanese got put in camps during WWII. Now it is the Mexicans who are the target of choice, because they are seen as 'stealing' jobs and benefits from US citizens. We are also exporting all of our jobs to Communist China, where slaves work for $2.00 per day to make stuff for us to buy at huge megastores, while importing foreign workers with 3 visa programs. Is it the perfect storm to melt down the entire economy? It is a sad situation...

We are all brothers and sisters in this spaceship called Earth.

Can we work together to create a future where all our kids can live in harmony for seven future generations?
 

cecily w. (0)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 7:41 pm
Green Road A--You are right. We are all brothers and sisters. But Earth's resources are limited, and competition for these resources will increase as our planet's human population grows. World population was less than 2.7 billion in 1950, it recently surpassed 7.0 billion, and is projected to reach 9.0 billion by 2050.
 

New G. (8)
Wednesday January 25, 2012, 12:26 am
Thank you for the news.
 

Dragan Dan (19)
Wednesday January 25, 2012, 4:14 am
noted
 

Sandi C. (235)
Wednesday January 25, 2012, 4:34 pm
SEND THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY COME FROM!
 

Rooibos Bird (237)
Wednesday January 25, 2012, 5:51 pm

Cecily - nice sentiment, but if governments of other nations catch illegal immigrants in THEIR boarders, they deport them. The USA has been truly lenient in comparison, and yet Americans are called names, guilted, and accused of all sorts of "isms" merely because people want rule of law followed. Other countries aren't giving illegals slack, but Americans are targeted as "bad" when they insist on the same?

Double standard here, anyone?!

It'd be nice if everyone actually thought as you do - we're all "brothers and sisters," but that's just wishful thinking and one only has to look at places where anyone who isn't "local" is called an "infidel" and mobs want to kill them. So much for "brotherly love." It's a nice idea, but it doesn't really exist in very many places.
 

Lauren F. (0)
Friday January 27, 2012, 7:32 am
thanks for the article.
 
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