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Often with multiple passports, the "foreign" vanguard in the battle for women's rights in Libya must shift their attention from the evils of dictatorship to the risks of pious Islam.

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Past Member (0)
Wednesday February 29, 2012, 9:29 pm
Thanks for the information.

Edo R (71)
Wednesday February 29, 2012, 10:52 pm
Thanks for sharing!

Jay S (116)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 3:55 am
All of the so-called 'Arab Spring' revolutions have been orchestrated by the Muslim Brotherhood and other Orthodox Muslim groups who have been dreaming of taking control for years.

It is sad to think that the dictators were better than the 'democratic' governments these countries have now, but it should be no surprise as polls in Egypt, for example, before the election showed well over 80% of Egyptians wanted Sharia law with stoning of 'adulterers', killing those who leave or criticize Islam, and the cutting off of hands and feet for thieves.

Women had more rights under all the so-called 'dictators'. Even in Libya with the seemingly insane Gaddafi, women had more equality and weren't pressured or forced to wear Islamic veils.

Gay people are being more persecuted now too. Both human rights ministers (what a misnomer that is) for Libya and Tunisia recently spoke out to condemn gay people and say that sexual orientation is not a human right. We expect to see persecution increase for gays now in all of these Arab Spring 'democracies', and under Sharia law's barbaric tribal customs that means death in slow and painful ways.

Also, the persecution of non-Muslims has soared and tens of thousands of Coptic Christians (the original Egyptians before Islam invaded and conquered their land) are being persecuted, beaten, murdered, burned out and driven out as their churches are being burned as ethnic cleansing intensifies. One of the new elected Salafist Orthodox Muslim parliamentary leaders recently called for the increased persecution of Baha'is, too.

What happens in Syria when the Sunni majority, aided now by al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood 'rebels', will be much the same, or worse. The revenge on the Alawites, a religious minority descended from the ancient Cult of Angels, that the Assads are members of, is already happening in Homs as they are already being driven into hiding in the Christian neighborhoods, but they will all certainly be shown no mercy when Assad is ousted.

Haven't we learned anything from the previous revolutions in the area? They've all turned out worse than what was there before. You can't praise any government, even if it elected by a majority, that increases persecution of minorities - the tyranny of the majority.

Democracy without constitutional legal protections for minorites is just as bad, or worse, as any other dictatorship.

Be careful what you wish for.

Annette O (24)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 5:25 am
And this is better than Gaddafi how.....???

Ellen m (215)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 7:31 am
I guess my hope for this region is that other woman step forward to join in and carry the banner of feminism to a point where things are better for all women in the future, without fear of reprisal, Thanks Cal

. (0)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 8:59 am
Noted, thank you.

pam w (139)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 10:39 am
"The most audacious of them do not even wear the hijab, the veil that younger women carefully swaddle their faces with, “to look like a beautiful moon.” Most of them are not married, having successfully resisted family pressure or arranged marriages. Their passports have often served as a shield."

++++++++++++++++ These women are SO brave! I salute them and hope they're well-protected. All they need is some "virginity police" to apprehend them......well.....remember the journalist who was attacked?

Stan B (123)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 11:50 am
Out of the frying pan into the burka. Why are Muslims so insecure that they have to treat their women like inferior, second class citizens?
It's not only Libya; it's almost everywhere.

Jennifer Ward (40)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 12:44 pm
Muslim women are wimps. No Anglo-Celtic woman would put up with the rubbish and oppression dished out by Muslim men. Stop wearing those stupid outfits for a start- especially in Western countries. I'm so over it all I could just scream!!!

Vicky P (476)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 1:59 pm
they aren't pious muslims, they are men that use Islam has an excuse for violence and oppressing women. Don't be ignorant.

marie C (163)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 2:43 pm
Yet another mess its so depressing. Who would have thought Gaddafi to be the better of two evils.

pam w (139)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 5:16 pm
Please's EASY to see these women through the "filter" of our western freedoms and capabilities. Muslim women have led VERY different lives and have been conditioned to a culture of obedience. Let's not call them "wimps" when, in fact, they're fighting for their lives here.

pam w (139)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 5:22 pm
Vicky, I don't understand your comment. To whom were you speaking? Which of us is "ignorant?" Islam says women are less important than men...there are many instances of this. So, a pious Muslim man would make every attempt to suppress women's rights. We see it in every Islamic country.

Charles O (209)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 9:56 pm
This was so predictable!

Marie TC asks "Who would have thought Gaddafi to be the better of two evils?"

Answer: Anybody who lives beyond the reach of the U.S. masked media.

Suddenly revolution is all the rage here in America, so we support revolution. We do not bother to think things through. We are driven by politically correct fashions, not by care and intelligence.

We who love "Humanitarian War" do not understand that we are playing with countless innocent lives. We think we are God, Saving the World. In reality, we are destroying the world.

Compare: -- Libya, before (2007) and after (2011) "Liberation"

This is what we did! Under the guise of "Protecting Civilians" (who were never actually threatened), we destroyed the country.

We are urged to play god, Save the World

Charles O (209)
Thursday March 1, 2012, 10:25 pm
Rob and Jay B. write:

> Haven't we learned anything from the previous revolutions in the area? They've all turned out worse than what was there before. You can't praise any government, even if it elected by a majority, that increases persecution of minorities - the tyranny of the majority. Democracy without constitutional legal protections for minorites is just as bad, or worse, as any other dictatorship.

Couldn't agree more!

It's true: We have learned nothing.

We live in a system that thrives on war-making. The system keeps us in the dark and dumbs us down to the point where we think we are God. As God, we know everything and have no need to learn. Instead of acting on the basis of intelligent concern, we respond to the dictates of fashion -- and today, is is fashionable and politically correct to support revolution.

Instead of supporting revolution in other countries, we should be working on freeing our own country from domination by foreign lobbies, transnational corporations and the racketeers of war. To do that, we need to turn off the masked media and learn how to think for ourselves.

. (0)
Friday March 2, 2012, 1:29 am
Building a country is never easy. Just because one leader is removed, doesn't mean that the entire system has been rebuilt.

Parvez Zuberi (7)
Friday March 2, 2012, 1:55 am
The interference in another country and to impose your system dose not work but unfortunately destroys the very fabric of that country and when you do not get what you wanted you start blaming the follower of the religion rest be assured that you can not bring Western type of living into these countries and change their culture and traditions and thinkings .Look and analyse where ever your GOVT have interfered you have failed starting from Korea to Afghanistan all your various GOVT have done is destroyed your own economy and brought misery to your own people

pam w (139)
Friday March 2, 2012, 6:39 am
Parvez....another MALE Muslim who denies all responsibility for the degradation of women under Islam and blames it all very conveniently on the West.

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday March 2, 2012, 8:29 am
Phyllis, Anglo-Celtic women are not raised in the environment teaching that men are allowed to "discipline" women. Judeo-Christian culture of forgiveness the sinner is different from the "eye for an eye" concept taken literally, rather than full compensation.

Very recently a Canadian family from Afganistan was sentenced to jail for the honour killing: father, mother and brother killed three sisters and the second wife of the father. Female rebels are mercilessly punished, it's not that they don't want to fight.

Charles O (209)
Friday March 2, 2012, 11:53 am
Hugh W. writes:

> Building a country is never easy.

Bombing a country and murdering the leader is not what I call "building". Libya was already built, before NATO attacked. Now it is unbuilt and Islamic radicals are taking over. Far from "Liberating" Libya, NATO has dragged Libya backwards. -- Libya, before (2007) and after (2011) "Liberation"

We in the Ziosphere don't know how to build. We are infatuated with war-making. We know how to kill and destroy, but not how to build. War is profitable; building is not.

. .

Judeo-Christian culture? You mean this?

> ... do not leave alive anything that breathes.

-- Deuteronomy 20:16 (Clickable link)

Or this?

> ... when David returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, the women came out of all the cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meet King Saul, with timbrels, with songs of joy, and with instruments of music. And the women sang to one another as they made merry.

> "Saul has slain his thousands And David his ten thousands"

> And Saul was very angry, and this saying displeased him; he said "They have ascribed to David ten thousands, and to me they have ascribed but thousands..." And Saul eyed David from that day on.

-- 1 Samuel 18:6-9 (Clickable link)

Or maybe this?

> If they don't stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand. And if they do not stop after 1,000 then we must kill 10,000. If they still don't stop we must kill 100,000, even a million. Whatever it takes to make them stop.

-- Chief Rabbi of Safed, Shmuel Eliyahu, 30 May 2007. Shmuel Eliyahu is the son of former Sephardi chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu. Quoted by Matthew Wagner, "Eliyahu advocates carpet bombing Gaza", Jerusalem Post, 30 May 2007

Here is what "Judeo-Christian culture" has turned into: -- the Genocide Cult

It does not work even in our own country, much less in all of the countries we set out to "build" with our bombs and missiles.

pam w (139)
Friday March 2, 2012, 11:56 am
Charles, are you suggesting that the Libyan uprising against Gaddaffi was all engineered by western nations? Or do you just agree with me that religion ruins everything?

Charles O (209)
Friday March 2, 2012, 7:21 pm
Hello Pam. See John Pilger, "The CIA is behind the Rebellion: The Euro-American Attack on Libya has nothing to do with "Protecting Civilians"", *Global Research*, 08 Apr 2011, for example.

> The Libyan “pro-democracy rebels” are reportedly commanded by Colonel Khalifa Haftar who, according to a study by the US Jamestown Foundation, set up the Libyan National Army in 1988 “with strong backing from the Central Intelligence Agency”. For the past 20 years, Colonel Haftar has been living not far from Langley, Virginia, home of the CIA, which also provides him with a training camp. The Mujihadeen, which produced al-Qaida, and the Iraqi National Congress, which scripted the Bush/Blair lies about Iraq, were sponsored in the same time-honoured way, in leafy Langley.

> Libya’s other “rebel” leaders include Mustafa Abdul Jalil, Gaddafi’s justice minister until February, and General Abdel-Fattah Younes, who ran Gaddafi’s interior ministry: both with formidable reputations for savagely putting down dissent.

-- John Pilger, "The CIA is behind the Rebellion: The Euro-American Attack on Libya has nothing to do with "Protecting Civilians"", *Global Research*, 08 Apr 2011

Here's how the take-over of Libya began, according to wikipedia:

> The protests, unrest and confrontations began in earnest on 15 February 2011. On the evening of 15 February, between 500 and 600 demonstrators protested in front of Benghazi's police headquarters after the arrest of human rights lawyer Fathi Terbil. Crowds were armed with petrol bombs and threw stones. Marchers hurled Molotov cocktails in a downtown square in Benghazi, damaging cars, blocking roads, and hurling rocks. Police responded to crowds with tear gas, water cannon, and rubber bullets.[118] 38 people were injured, among them ten security personnel.[119][120] ....

> In Bayda and Zintan, hundreds of protesters in each town called for an end to the Gaddafi government and set fire to police and security buildings.[119][122] In Zintan, the protesters set up tents in the town centre.[119] The armed protests continued the following day in Benghazi, Derna and Bayda. Libyan security forces allegedly responded with lethal force. ....

> Protests took place in Benghazi, Ajdabiya, Derna, Zintan, and Bayda. Libyan security forces fired live ammunition into the armed protests. Protesters torched a number of government buildings, including a police station.[126][127] In Tripoli, television and public radio stations had been sacked, and protesters set fire to security buildings, Revolutionary Committee offices, the interior ministry building, and the People's Hall.[128][129]

> According to a report from the International Crisis Group, "much Western media coverage has from the outset presented a very one-sided view of the logic of events, portraying the protest movement as entirely peaceful and repeatedly suggesting that the government's security forces were unaccountably massacring unarmed demonstrators who presented no security challenge".[128]

-- "Libyan civil war", *wikipedia*

Notice that the Ziosphere is using the same tactic against Syria: Depict the armed revolutionaries and terrorists as Innocent Lambs.

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 3, 2012, 2:03 pm
When men write down words in "HOLY" books, anyone an come along and interpret them to suit themselves, whether their drives be violence-based or peaceful. We need to emphasize the need for each and every human being to do what all spirit practitioners have done; that is, TO MEDITATE WITHIN THE THIRD EYE and have DIRECT SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCES THEREIN, and to glean the TRUTH of the ALL. Without this direct knowledge, no man can ever claim to know anything, and dare not impose his opinion, will upon any other part of this universe..
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