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OUTRAGEOUS! IOC Defends Stance Against Moment of Silence for Israel's 'Munich 11'


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Cal
- 696 days ago - cnn.com
The International Olympic Committee on Monday defended its stance against a moment of silence at the London Games for Israel's 11 athletes and coaches killed by terrorists in 1972, a response that follows an Israeli official's vow to pressure the organizi



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Stan B. (124)
Thursday May 24, 2012, 4:44 pm
Nothing surprises me any more, Cal. I've even read a post from a creep here on Care2 who said the slaughter of the Israeli athletes was justified as they were military personnel.
I wouldn't have thought ONE minutes silence was a lot to ask.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday May 25, 2012, 4:03 am
I wouldn't mind them taking this stance if it wasn't so bloody ANTI-SEMETIC in its tone. Many of us have signed the petition and we were thinking we might have gone some way in bringing about a change in the IOC's decision- after all - what is ONE MINUTE? Pig headed, intolerant bureaucrats rule ok on the IOC!
 

Christoffer Blomlöf (18)
Friday May 25, 2012, 4:43 am
Is anybody surprised?
 

wolfNoFwdsPls a. (135)
Friday May 25, 2012, 4:49 am
OUTRAGEOUS propaganda-attempt indeed
 

Charles O. (209)
Friday May 25, 2012, 7:46 am
The IOC made the right decision.

The last thing we need is more Zionist Victimology. Don't these fascists ever get tired of playing the victim? Don't they ever get an urge to stand on their own feet, like adults? Where is their self-respect? How much longer do they intend to mine and exploit our compassion?

The victimology is not harmless. It serves as the basis for Israeli war-making. The Zionists believe their own propaganda. Seeing themselves as Infinite Victims, they feel entitled to exact endless revenge -- against the hapless Palestinians and against neighboring countries.

If the IOC IS forced to indulge these war-making sociopaths, we should start by announcing

* the number of Israelis killed by Palestinians since 1972, and
* the number of Palestinians killed by Israel.

That might put things in perspective.

. .

> Thus, for example, the PLO is understood to be simply a "terrorist organization" because of its operations against Israeli civilian targets, but Israeli state terrorism directed at Arab civilian targets is portrayed as "self-defense" and "retaliation".

> The magnitude of American misunderstanding of the Arab-Palestinian-Israeli conflcit is suggested, in one example, by the little-known statistic that the total number of Israeli civilians killed in all acts of terrorism from 1967 to 1982 was 282, less than the number of Arab civilians killed in _one Israeli bombing raid of Beirut on July 17-18, 1981.

-- Cheryl A. Rubenberg, /Israel And The American National Interest/, p. 3
 

Charles O. (209)
Friday May 25, 2012, 8:07 am
From the article:

> "All we ask for is 'Just One Minute!'" Ayalon said on Twitter and Facebook messages that directed people to a petition sponsored by Ankie Spitzer, whose husband -- fencing coach Andre Spitzer -- was among those killed by the Palestinian terror group Black September.

Yes, and all the Zionists wanted in 1947 was "one little piece" of Arab territory. But it never ends with One Minute or One Partition or one Holocaust Museum or one Holocaust Movie.

. .

> "This rejection told us as Israelis that this tragedy is yours alone and not a tragedy within the family of nations," the deputy foreign minister said.

But Israel does not WANT to belong to the "family of nations". It does not WANT to abide by international law and the Geneva Conventions. It does not WANT to honor U.N. resolutions. It does not WANT to treart the native people as equals. It does not WANT to accept its neighbors.

It wants a MONOPOLY on victimhood. It wants to DICTATE to the U.S., and, through the U.S., to the region and the world. It wants to keep Jews and non-Jews divided. It wants to build a wall around Jews and cut Jews off from the "family of nations".

. .

If we do commemorate the Munich athletes, we should also commemorate the Palestinian poets and writers assassinated by Israel "in retribution".

> What were the Israelis doing before Munich? Before Munich -- not after-Israelis placed a bomb under the car seat of Palestinian writer/artist, Ghassan Kanafani and killed him and killed his 14-year-old niece. The teenage girl was not plotting the Munich attack when she was murdered by the Israelis; nor was her uncle. Kanafani wrote for Al-Hurriyyah magazine.

> Israel, also before Munich, sent a letter bomb to Bassam Abu Sharif, a writer and journalist, and left him with life-long scars and bodily damage, and they also sent a letter bomb to Anis Sayigh, a scholar and researcher, who was not a member of any group. But Sayigh was a really diligent researcher, and Israel did not appreciate it.

-- "'Munich': The Humanization of Israeli killers, and the Dehumanization of Palestinian civilians"

See also

* Letter and Parcel-Post Bombs

* "WAPO Reporter Extolls War Criminals, Vilifies Palestinian Poet", 30 Aug 2006

* "OP-ED: It's May 14---Happy 64th Birthday, Israel"
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday May 25, 2012, 9:56 am
Charles, both of us now, that if Israel used its fire power on civilian population the way Arabs are using their firepower on Israeli civilian population, the Gaza and the West Bank would have no Arabs left, other then the moderate Arabs desiring to live in peace with Israel.

Why do you need to say the obvious nonsense?
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday May 25, 2012, 10:00 am
Six millions Israelis are standing up to 1.5 Billion Muslims without oil riches, just their brains and hands. And some people suggest they should not talk about their "victimhood" because those who got 10,000 times more land want to reserve this word for themselves as well.

Would be cute, if it weren't so annoying and even disgusting.
 

Barbara Snowberger (8)
Friday May 25, 2012, 12:23 pm
The way I see it, we were all victims of this malicious attack... whether we're Jewish or not. Whenever something so heinous rips through the core of decency, we all lose - even those who planned, carried out, and to this day feel no regret for those lives they took that day. This is another scar on the souls of those of us who call ourselves humans.
 

Bernard Cronyn (31)
Friday May 25, 2012, 12:35 pm
I admire your efforts Bob but an opinion from that sad creature who besmirches the memory and reputation of Ralph Waldo Emerson by using his picture is not worth bothering about, responding too or even reading.
 

John B. (215)
Friday May 25, 2012, 1:13 pm
Thanks Cal for posting the article. It has sparked a lot of views and opinions which is good and is what the comment section is for. Noted.
 

Charles O. (209)
Friday May 25, 2012, 1:33 pm
Bernard C. writes:

> I admire your efforts Bob but an opinion from that sad creature who besmirches the memory and reputation of Ralph Waldo Emerson by using his picture is not worth bothering about, responding too or even reading.

Here is how Emerson might respond:

> The wise man throws himself on the side of his assailants. It is more his interest than it is theirs to find his weak point. The wound cicatrizes and falls off from him like a dead skin, and when they would triumph, lo! he has passed on invulnerable. Blame is safer than praise. I hate to be defended in a newspaper. As long as all that is said is said against me, I feel a certain assurance of success. But as soon as honeyed words of praise are spoken for me, I feel as one that lies unprotected before his enemies. In general, every evil to which we do not succumb is a benefactor.

-- Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Compensation", 1841

I am not afraid to learn from you, Bernard C.. But apparently you are afraid to learn from me. That gives me the advantage, here.

What I offer Israel is a way out of the current impasse. Why so little interest in my offer? Are you really content with the current situation? -- the increasing bitterness, the increasing danger of a larger war? Maybe it's time to start bothering and caring.
 

Charles O. (209)
Friday May 25, 2012, 1:43 pm
Bob A. writes:

> Charles, both of us now, that if Israel used its fire power on civilian population the way Arabs are using their firepower on Israeli civilian population, the Gaza and the West Bank would have no Arabs left, other then the moderate Arabs desiring to live in peace with Israel.

. .

457 Palestinians killed by Israel in 2007 *
92 Palestinian children killed by Israel in 2007 *
10 Israelis killed by Palestinians in 2007 *
22 Israelis killed by Qassam rockets since 2000 +

* Gideon Levy, "Twilight Zone / The children of 5767", *Haaretz*, 28 Sep 2007

+ "Qassam rocket", wikipedia

So the number of Palestinians killed by Israel in one year is about TWENTY TIMES GREATER than the number of Israelis killed by Qassams over the last TWELVE YEARS!
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday May 25, 2012, 2:17 pm
Charles, you could get numbers from Hamas - they would be even more impressing.

May 22 Israelis were killed by Qassam rockets, but thousands were killed in Suicide bombings, knife attacks, shooting or stone throwing on highways, etc.

Israelis kill murderers. Palestinians kill easy targets. Then come little Dr. Goebbels's and play with the numbers.
 

Charles O. (209)
Friday May 25, 2012, 3:57 pm
Bob A. writes:

> Israelis kill murderers. Palestinians kill easy targets. Then come little Dr. Goebbels's and play with the numbers.

I suppose you think this Dr. Goebbels works for Amnesty International and Ha'aretz and wikipedia and B'Tselem, because that is where my numbers come from.

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Amnesty International tells us that 80 Palestinian children -- or as you would say, "murderers" -- were killed in the first three months of Intifada II. Zero Israeli children were killed. Here's an excerpt from the AI report:

> The majority of Palestinian children have been killed in the Occupied Territories when members of the IDF responded to demonstrations and stone throwing incidents with unlawful and excessive use of lethal force. Eighty Palestinian children were killed by the IDF in the first three months of the intifada alone.

> Sami Fathi Abu Jazzar died on the eve of his 12th birthday after being shot in the head by a live bullet fired by Israeli soldiers into a crowd of mostly primary school children. The shooting took place in the aftermath of a stone throwing demonstration. Six other children were injured by live fire in the same incident. Amnesty International delegates were present in the crowd at the time and concluded that the lives of the soldiers were not in danger.

> In the past year Palestinian children have been killed when the IDF randomly opened fire, shelled or bombarded residential neighbourhoods at times when there was no exchange of fire and in circumstances in which the lives of the IDF soldiers were not at risk. Others were killed during Israeli state assassinations, when the IDF destroyed Palestinian houses without warning, and by flechette shells and booby traps used by the IDF in densely populated areas.

> The large numbers of children killed and injured and the circumstances in which they were killed indicates that little or no care was taken by the IDF to avoid causing harm to children.

> Dina Matar, two-months-old and Ayman Matar, 18-months-old, were among nine children killed on 22 July 2002 when the IDF dropped a one ton bomb from an F-16 fighter jet on a densely populated area of Gaza city. The bomb killed 17 people. The aim of the attack was to assassinate a leading Hamas activist, who was among those killed. The following day Israel's Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon called the attack "one of the most successful operations".

> A number of Palestinian children have also died after being held up at IDF checkpoints, and delayed or even prevented from passing through to reach hospital. At least three children have been killed by Israeli settlers. In most cases the IDF does not intervene to protect Palestinians from Israeli settlers, who literally get away with murder.

AI Index: MDE 15/145/2002 (Public) News Service #165, 30 Sep 2002

The frustrating thing is that the Zionists feel no shame. They do not seem to be the least bit troubled by this killing.
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Friday May 25, 2012, 10:00 pm
Excuse me...but it is our responsability , as logical and humane people, in 2012, Planet Earth,..to fight terrorism in every form..and taking a moment of silence for the innocent fallen from terrorists, STENGTHENS US FOR WORLD PEACE!!!..ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE OLYMPICS, SINCE THE TERRORISM HAPPENED THERE..AND...WE, AS A GLOBAL COMMUNITY WORK TO PREVENT SUCH AUTROCITIES EVER AGAIN!!
 

Charles O. (209)
Saturday May 26, 2012, 7:07 am
Shelly Peterson writes:

> Excuse me...but it is our responsability , as logical and humane people, in 2012, Planet Earth,..to fight terrorism in every form..and taking a moment of silence for the innocent fallen from terrorists,

. .

The worst form of terrorism is war-making. In war, millions are terrified, and the terror of war continues for years, War opens the floodgates for every other evil, and allows these evils to take deep roots.

If we condemn the desperate or demented individual who straps a five-pound bomb around his waist and commits suicide by blowing up a bus, shouldn't we also condemn the not so desperate individual who straps a 500-pound bomb to his F-15 and blows up an apartment building or an entire city block because some politician far away tells him to? Which individual causes more damage and more terror?

If we commemorate the terror at Munich, shouldn't we also commemorate the terror that preceded Munich,?

> What were the Israelis doing before Munich? Before Munich -- not after -- Israelis placed a bomb under the car seat of Palestinian writer/artist, Ghassan Kanafani and killed him and killed his 14-year-old niece. The teenage girl was not plotting the Munich attack when she was murdered by the Israelis; nor was her uncle. Kanafani wrote for Al-Hurriyyah magazine.

> Israel, also before Munich, sent a letter bomb to Bassam Abu Sharif, a writer and journalist, and left him with life-long scars and bodily damage, and they also sent a letter bomb to Anis Sayigh, a scholar and researcher, who was not a member of any group. But Sayigh was a really diligent researcher, and Israel did not appreciate it.

-- "'Munich': The Humanization of Israeli killers, and the Dehumanization of Palestinian civilians"

See also

* Letter and Parcel-Post Bombs

* "WAPO Reporter Extolls War Criminals, Vilifies Palestinian Poet", 30 Aug 2006

* "OP-ED: It's May 14---Happy 64th Birthday, Israel"

The ZIonists pioneered the use of terror in the Middle East, in the 1930s, and have been using war, terror and assassination ever since. Their hands are not clean. Just the opposite: They are directly responsible for 95% of the killing in Israel-Palestine, and independent studies show most cycles of violence are initiated by the Zionists.

If we do commemorate Munich, it should be in exchange for a Zionist commitment to stop their own terror.

acts of terror perpetrated by the Zionists that go all the way back to the 1930s?
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 5:11 am
Doesn't surprise us as this is the same outfit, that is supposed to promote fair and friendly games and competition around the world, that expelled gay athletes when discovered for so long and because of this discrimination gay people started their own 'Gay Olympics', which meets in different cities every 4 years and is a wonderful, peaceful, fun event without violence of problems. But the selfrighteous IOC got a court order for the 'Gay Olympics' to stop using the name 'Olympics', like they owned it from ancient Greece. Yet they allow and promote the 'Special Olympics' for handicapped people (and rightly so).

With a bigoted, backward mindset like this, nothing they do surprises us from this scandal-ridden bunch. This one minute of silence to remember those slaughtered on the 40th anniversary of this horrible hate crime is little to ask. The Olympic committee then did little to protect these athletes, despite the threats from Islamists.

Only haters like the usual Israelophobes and Anti-Semites like charles o (where are the rest of them - Margaret M, John D, Abdessalem, Mary P, Kit, Madame Butterfly et al??? Well, they'll show up soon enough) could protest over this small memorial to these innocent victims of hate.

If any of you bother to watch the increasingly bothersome Olympics this year, perhaps you could just turn your TV off for one minute during the opening ceremonies and have a moment of silence in honor of these victims on your own. Do it during the commercials.
 

Ge M. (216)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 6:58 am
Charles, you show your bitterness against Jews and Israel so well. The Olympics is supposed to be apolical and just about athletics. Using this to their advantage terrorists attacked and brutally murdered unarmed athletes. It is this act that the request for 1 minutes silence is asked for. Other countries have it for things such as 9/11 and 7/7. In other words MUSLIM TERRORIST ATTACKS AGAINST UNARMED CIVILIANS. Of course, we all know that if any Muslim controlled country asked for it then they would be asking how long and how often!

You can, and do, spout ongoing rhetoric and drivel about terrorists killed for perpetrating atrocities. Peace has been offered by Israel on many occasions and refused. Hams as extended the jihad against Israel to all, including you, see below.

HAMAS IN ITS OWN WORDS:

"We regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood…We condemn the assassination and the killing of an Arab holy warrior. We ask God to offer him mercy with the true believers and the martyrs." (Source: Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip commenting on the killing of Osama Bin Laden, May 2, 2011)

"Whoever is killed by a Jew receives the reward of two martyrs, because the very thing that the Jews did to the prophets was done to him. (Source: Sermon delivered by 'Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV, April 8, 2011, translation by MEMRI).

"The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah. (Source: Sermon delivered by 'Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV, April 8, 2011, translation by MEMRI).

"Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world. (Source: Sermon delivered by 'Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV, April 8, 2011, translation by MEMRI).

"The Jews kill anyone who believes in Allah. They do not want to see any peace whatsoever on Earth." (Source: Sermon delivered by 'Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV, April 8, 2011, translation by MEMRI).

“We cannot agree to a programme that is intended to poison the minds of our children…Holocaust studies in refugee camps is a contemptible plot and serves the Zionist entity with a goal of creating a reality and telling stories in order to justify acts of slaughter against the Palestinian people." (Source: Statement from Hamas Ministry of Refugee Affairs on U.N. Relief and Works Agency plan to include Holocaust education in the curriculum taught Palestinian refugees, February 28, 2011)

"The lie of the Zionist Holocaust crumbles with countless holocausts committed by the Zionists in Beit Hanoun, al-Fakhoura school and other places in Palestine." (Source: Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar, speaking at a memorial service for Palestinians killed during the 2008 Israeli war in Gaza, January 6, 2011)
"Palestine is Islamic, and not an Islamic emirate, from the river to the sea, that unites the Palestinians. Jews have no right in it, with the exception of those who lived on the land of Palestine before World War I." (Source: Hamas official Halil Al-Hayya, Al-Hayat newspaper, November 11, 2010)

"We have liberated Gaza, but have we recognized Israel? Have we given up our lands occupied in 1948? We demand the liberation of the West Bank, and the establishment of a state in the West Bank and Gaza, with Jerusalem as its capital – but without recognizing [Israel]. This is the key – without recognizing the Israeli enemy on a single inch of land. ... Our plan for this stage is to liberate any inch of Palestinian land, and to establish a state on it. Our ultimate plan is [to have] Palestine in its entirety. I say this loud and clear so that nobody will accuse me of employing political tactics. We will not recognize the Israeli enemy. " (Source: Hamas leader Mahmoud Al-Zahhar, Future News TV, June 15, 2010, Source: MEMRI.org)

Hamas "must lay the foundation for a tomorrow without Zionists." (Source: Hamas leader Mahmoud a-Zahar, Al-Aqsa TV, January 4, 2009)

"This is the time for the third uprising... Resistance will continue through suicide missions." (Source: Hamas leader-in-exile Khaled Mashaal, Damascus, Syria, December 27, 2008)

"Hamas will continue the resistance until the last drop of blood." (Source: Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum, calling for a resumption of suicide attacks on Gaza radio, December 27, 2008)

"Israel will pay a heavy price for its crimes against the Palestinians. Israel's actions enhance our determination to pursue the path of resistance through all means available. … [Israel is] committing a holocaust as the whole world watches and doesn't lift a finger to stop it." (Source: Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum, December 25, 2008)

"We won't succumb to the logic of threats made by the Zionist war criminals. Today we are prepared more than ever to foil any aggression against our people." (Source: Leaflet issued by Izzadin Kassam, the armed wing of Hamas, December 25, 2008)

"It is our right as an occupied people to defend ourselves from the occupation by all means possible including suicide attacks." (Source: Hamas leader Ayman Taha, December 22, 2008)

"...the Jewish faith does not wish for peace nor stability, since it is a faith that is based on murder: 'I kill, therefore I am'... Israel is based only on blood and murder in order to exist, and it will disappear, with Allah's will, through blood and Shahids [martyrs]." (Source: Dr. Yussuf Al-Sharafi, Hamas representative, April 12, 2007; as reported by Palestinian Media Watch, April 23, 2007)

"This is Islam, that was ahead of its time with regards to human rights in the treatment of prisoners, but our nation was tested by the cancerous lump, that is the Jews, in the heart of the Arab nation... Be certain that America is on its way to utter destruction, America is wallowing [in blood] today in Iraq and Afghanistan, America is defeated and Israel is defeated, and was defeated in Lebanon and Palestine... Make us victorious over the community of infidels... Allah, take the Jews and their allies, Allah, take the Americans and their allies... Allah, annihilate them completely and do not leave anyone of them." (Source: Sheikh Dr. Ahmad Bahar, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, April 20, 2007; as reported by Palestinian Media Watch, April 23, 2007)

"We will not betray promises we made to God to continue the path of Jihad and resistance until the liberation of Palestine, all of Palestine. . . So be assured doctor Ayman, and all those who love Palestine like yourself, that Hamas is still the group you knew when it was founded and it will never abandon its path. (Source: Hamas statement in response to criticism by Al-Qaeda's Ayman al-Zawahri, March 12, 2007)

"[The Tel Aviv suicide bombing] is an an act of self defense... [it is] a natural result of the continued Israeli crimes against our people." (Source: Sami Abu Zuhri, Hamas spokesman, April 17, 2006)

"[Hamas will] never recognize the legitimacy of the Zionist state that was founded on our land." (Source: Khaled Mashaal, Hamas leader, February 3, 2006, Al-Hayyat al-Jedida)

"[Hamas] will not change a single word in its covenant [which is calling for the destruction of Israel]." (Source: Mahmoud Zahar, Hamas leader, after casting his vote in the Gaza Strip, January 25, 2006, Ha'aretz)

"They have tried to pressure Hamas to abandon resistance and to abandon arms. They tried to pressure Hamas to abandon its strategic choice in Palestine, all of Palestine. They tried to pressure Hamas to recognize the legitimacy of the occupation. But they failed... We say Hamas will not change its constant principles." (Source: Ismail Haniyah, Hamas leader, at an election rally in Gaza, January 20, 2006, Reuters)

"The constants and the strategy of Hamas do not change according to circumstances. Hamas will stay faithful to jihad, to resistance, to guns, to Palestine and to Jerusalem." (Source: Ismail Haniyah, Hamas leader, at an election rally in Gaza, January 20, 2006, Gulf Daily News, Bahrain)

"Hamas is not hostile to Jews because they are Jews. We are hostile to them because they occupied our land and expelled our people.... We did not say we want to throw the Jews in the sea or feed them to sharks. We just said that there is a land called occupied Palestine. It was burglarized and it needs to be returned to the Palestinian people." (Source: Ismail Haniyah, Hamas leader, January 18, 2006, AP)

"We do not recognize the Israeli enemy, nor his right to be our neighbor, nor to stay (on the land), nor his ownership of any inch of land.... We are interested in restoring our full rights to return all the people of Palestine to the land of Palestine. Our principles are clear: Palestine is a land of Waqf (Islamic trust), which can not be given up." (Source: Mahmoud Zahar, Hamas leader and candidate to the Palestinian legislative council, Palestinian TV, January 17, 2006, Newsday)

"The program [of Hamas-backed list to legislative council] sets out the details and means for its implementation over the next four years, while the [Hamas] charter talks about vision and strategy…The movement is adhering to the constants and strategies outlined in the [Hamas] charter." (Source: Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu-Zuhri, explains to Al-Sharq al-Awsat that there is no contradiction between Hamas' platform for the election and its charter, which calls for the destruction of Israel, January 13, 2006, BBC Monitoring)

"The Taliban are 1,000 times more honorable than the American occupation and its collaborators… We are not a copy of the Taliban... Judge us according to what we are. Everyone must stop blaming the Taliban for things that in fact characterize the people of the West, who seek to turn the international community into a swamp of corruption and destruction, and to spread abomination and disease in the name of absolute freedom.... We are part of Allah's promise that Islam will enter Palestine and every home in the world, with a revelation of the power of Allah the Omnipotent, and a revelation of the inferiority of the infidels. Hamas is leading this plan in Gaza, the West Bank, and the 1948 territories, and the Muslim Brotherhood is leading it everywhere else. This is part of Allah's predestination." (Source: Dr. Mahmoud Zahar, interview in Arabic with elaph.com, October 11, 2005, MEMRI)

"The vanquishing of the enemy in Gaza does not mean that this stage has ended. We still have Jerusalem and the pure West Bank. We will not rest until we liberate all our land, all our Palestine. We do not distinguish between what was occupied in the 1940s and what was occupied in the 1960s. Our Jihad continues, and we still have a long way to go. We will continue until the very last usurper is driven out of our land." (Source: Sheik Nizar Rayan, Hamas "political" leader, at a rally in Gaza, Al-Jazeera TV on September 16, 2005, MEMRI)

"We stand here on our liberated land, near the armistice borders. We remember when Sharon said that Netzarim is like Tel Aviv. Hamas has said, via the lion of Palestine [Rantisi], that Gaza is like Tel Aviv. The promise that has been fulfilled and will be fulfilled in the future, oh Sharon, is the promise of Allah, and the promise of Hamas. Behold, Palestine is being liberated, Allah willing.... We have come here in multitudes to proclaim that Hirbiya and Ashkelon will be taken by the mujahideen. We have come here to say that the weapons of the resistance that you see here will remain, Allah willing, so that we can liberate Palestine – all of Palestine – from the Sea to the River, whether they like it or not." (Source: Mushir al-Masri, Hamas spokesman, at a rally in Gaza, Al-Jazeera TV on September 16, 2005, MEMRI)

"We knew that Bush is the enemy of God, the enemy of Islam and Muslims. America declared war against God. Sharon declared war against God, and God declared war against America, Bush and Sharon." (Source: Hamas leader Dr. Abdel Aziz Rantisi (killed in April 2004) at a rally in Gaza, March 28, 2004, AP)
"The Zionists didn't carry out their operation without getting the consent of the terrorist American Administration, and it must take responsibility for this crime. All the Muslims of the world will be honored to join in on the retaliation for this crime. (Source: Hamas statement issued after the assassination of Sheik Ahmed Yassin, Chicago Tribune, March 25, 2004)

"She [first Hamas woman suicide bomber] is not going to be the last because the march of resistance will continue until the Islamic flag is raised, not only over the minarets of Jerusalem, but over the whole universe." (Source: Hamas leader, Mahmoud Zahar, at funeral of Reem Raiyshi, who murdered 4 people, January 15, 2004, AP)

"By God, we will not leave one Jew in Palestine. We will fight them with all the strength we have. This is our land, not the Jews..." (Source: Abdel Aziz Rantisi, Hamas leader, June 10, 2003, interview with Al-Jazeera, Jerusalem Post)

"You will have no security except outside the homeland Palestine.... We have Allah on our side, and we have the sons of the Arab and Islamic nation on our side." (Source: Abdel Aziz Rantisi, Hamas leader, June 10, 2003, interview with Al-Jazeera, Jerusalem Post)

"America is implementing Zionist Israeli policy to serve the Zionist project in Palestine. The battle America is undertaking is designed to allow Israel to remain in the Palestinian homeland...." (Source: Sheik Ahmed Yassin -- killed in March 2004 -- January 30, 2003, Teheran Times)

"Zionist Israeli and Jewish policy is to strike every power emerging in the Arab and Muslim world… Any country that develops power threatening to this entity (Israel), they want to smash it." (Source: Sheik Ahmed Yassin -- killed in March 2004 -- January 30, 2003, Teheran Times)

"Suicide attacks and jihad reinforce national unity in the ranks....Our voice is one of struggle, of jihad and of suicide....Iraq could win if it equipped its citizens with explosive belts and turned them into human bombs." (Source: Sheik Ahmed Yassin, interview with the Muslim website Alskifa, January 10, 2003, translated by Israel Defense Forces)

"Because the Israeli and American enemies are ravaging the earth; they do not believe in anything besides power. The Ummah must adopt the principle of Jihad and fighting the enemies." (Source: Sheik Ahmed Yassin, interview with Australian Muslim youth magazine, Nida'ul Islam, June/ July 2002)

"The Movement within two months [after the intifada broke] was able to launch qualitative operations that shook the world… there are qualitative Jihad operations such as those in Natanya and Khadera. We are proud of such operations and the next days will witness better and bigger ones.... I say that the final battle will result in our victory and that this land will reject this enemy similar to its predecessors... It is not a must that it would be in 2027 for it could be five years earlier or ten years later. The important thing is that the equation revolves round 2027 and the Hebrew state would end Insha'allah [God willing]. (Source: Early Hamas communiqués distributed by Islamic Association for Palestine)

"Come to jihad, come to jihad, come to martyrdom..."
"Those thirsty for Jihad all over the world. For the sake of Allah. For liberating the land of Palestine and Jerusalem.... We declared and continue to declare now, that a Jew is a Jew... [do not trust them when they say they want peace because they act only] to serve their religion and their people." (Source: Hamas communiqué, March 9, 1989, translated and distributed in the U.S. by the Islamic Association for Palestine)
"The Jews: killed the prophets…slaughtered the innocent…imprisoned our pious... NO PEACE WITH THE MURDERERS." (Source: Hamas communiqué, October 5, 1988, translated and distributed in the U.S. by the Islamic Association for Palestine)

"The Nazi Jews tried different methods.... Let everyone know that Hamas ... is only against Jews and those twisted in their manner ... it realizes the Jews' methods in trying to cause hostility and friction between people.... We should lend punches to the Jews wherever possible [to commemorate Muhammad's defeat of one of the Jewish tribes of Arabia]." (Source: Hamas communiqué, September 8, 1988, translated and distributed in the U.S. by the Islamic Association for Palestine)

“‘I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite all their fingers and toes.You have killed them not, but Allah killed them’.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“Truly, the destruction of the state of Israel is a Quranic inevitability.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“The language of bullets and bombs is the only language that the Jews understand.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“We tell them [the Israelis]: in as much as you love life—the Muslims love death and martyrdom.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas!” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“The Jews are a cancer that is spreading and is threatening the entire Islamic world.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“[Jews are] brothers of the apes, assassins of the prophets, bloodsuckers, and war mongers. . . . Only Islam can break the Jews and destroy their dream.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“They [the Zionists] established a state to protect the Jews from death and murder. If death and murder chase them in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Netanya . . . then they will say: I want to flee and go back to Europe and America.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“The Islamic Movement gives its condolences to the hero [a suicide bomber] of the attack [at Beit Lid in January 1995], which led to the killing of twenty pigs [Jews] and injuring of sixty monkeys [Jews].” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“The war is open until Israel ceases to exist and until the last Jew in the world is eliminated.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“You [America] will face the mirror of your history for a long time to come. . . . [With the 9/11 attacks] Allah has answered our prayers.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“We are in love with the color of blood.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“Palestine is a green tree whose thirst can only be quenched with the blood of martyrs.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“Our words remain dead until we die in their cause.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“Hamas has won the election on the Israeli body county ticket.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

“When the blood of martyrs irrigates the land, roses appear.”

“The children are the holy martyrs of tomorrow.” (Source: The Simon Wiesenthal Center)

"Israel is not a legitimate entity, and no amount of pressure can force us to recognize its right to exist." (Dr. Mahmud Al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza, Washington Times, February 4, 2006)

"Before Israel dies, it must be humiliated and degraded. Allah willing, before they die, they will experience humiliation and degradation every day." (Dr. Mahmud Al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza, Washington Times, February 4, 2006)

"Neither the liberation of the Gaza Strip nor the liberation of the West Bank or even Jerusalem will suffice us. Hamas will pursue the armed struggle until the liberation of all our lands. We don't recognize the state of Israel or its right to hold onto one inch of Palestine. Palestine is an Islamic land belonging to all the Muslims." (Dr. Mahmud Al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza, The Jerusalem Post, August 18, 2005)

"Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing." (Khalid al-Mish'al, leader of Hamas, Al-Jazeera TV, February 3, 2006)

"She [Hamas suicide bomber Re'em Al-Riyashi] is not going to be the last because the march of resistance will continue until the Islamic flag is raised, not only over the minarets of Jerusalem, but over the whole universe." (Dr. Mahmud Al-Zahar, Hamas leader in Gaza, Associated Press, January 15, 2004)

"To hell with you all." (Khalid al-Mish'al, leader of Hamas, speaking about German Chancellor Merkel's call for Hamas to recognize Israel, Al-Jazeera TV, February 3, 2006)
 

Ge M. (216)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 7:01 am
Hamas Principles
The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

The charter is a rather classical Islamist document, applied to the local issues. It declares that Jihad (in the sense of armed battle) is the only solution. It cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a ludicrous anti-Semitic forgery.

The "Zionists" and the freemasons and others are blamed for what Hamas and radical Islamists see as the major calamities of the world, especially the French Revolution.

One of the most ominous aspects of the Charter however, is this Hadith:

Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

The implication is clear: Allah promised that the Jews will be murdered, and the Hamas "aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take."

Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood
Some observers deny the relation between the Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood. However, the Charter states:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine. Muslim Brotherhood Movement is a universal organization which constitutes the largest Islamic movement in modern times. It is characterised by its deep understanding, accurate comprehension and its complete embrace of all Islamic concepts of all aspects of life, culture, creed, politics, economics, education, society, justice and judgement, the spreading of Islam, education, art, information, science of the occult and conversion to Islam.

Moreover, the Charter quotes Hassan Al-Banna, a Nazi sympathizer who founded the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. There is no doubt that the Hamas views itself as a part of the Muslim Brotherhood and an ideological heir of al Banna. The Muslim Brotherhood spawned a number of radical Islamist movements including Al-Qaeda.

Current Hamas Positions
Some analysts insist that the Hamas is becoming more pragmatic in its ideology following assumption of a political role. The evidence for this is view is conflicting, and it is beclouded by the practice of dissemblance that was copied from Al-Banna and Sayyed Qutb. Recent statements by leaders include the following:

Imam Yousif al-Zahar of Hamas said in his sermon at the Katib Wilayat mosque in Gaza that "Jews are a people who cannot be trusted. They have been traitors to all agreements. Go back to history. Their fate is their vanishing." Ref IHT 1 April 08
Sheik Yunus al-Astal, a Hamas legislator and imam, in a column in the weekly newspaper Al Risalah in 2008 discussed a Koranic verse suggesting that "suffering by fire is the Jews' destiny in this world and the next." Astal concluded "Therefore we are sure that the Holocaust is still to come upon the Jews.Ref IHT 1 April 08
"We will not rest until we destroy the Zionist entity" stated Hamas leader Fathi Hammad in Gaza on Friday January 2nd 2009 - ref -- BBC 2 January 09

In a sermon aired on Hamas' Al-Aqsa television, cleric Yunis Al Astal stated, "Today, Rome is the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital, which has declared its hostility to Islam, and has planted the brothers of apes and pigs in Palestine in order to prevent the reawakening of Islam.
"I believe that our children, or our grandchildren, will inherit our jihad and our sacrifices, and, Allah willing, the commanders of the conquest will come from among them"

He maintained that Rome would become, ""an advanced post for the Islamic conquests, which will spread though Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, even Eastern Europe." Ref- Fox 14 Apr. 2008

Other statements are more moderate in tone, but Hamas has repeatedly refused international community demands to recognize the right of Israel to exist, abrogate its charter and abide by the previous commitments of the Palestinian Authority

 

monica r. (41)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 7:33 am
When the IOC has gone to the expense and trouble to change toilets so Olympic athletes and attendees don't pee or poop towards Makkah, I hardly think ONE MINUTE OF TIME is so very much to ask.
 

Ge M. (216)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 8:27 am
Monica, no-one wants to remember the atrocities perpetrated by Muslims nor the fact it was Israelis who died. It is not politiically correct to be upset about anyone other than Muslims. Look at the behaviour and attitudes of the anti-Semites on the board.
 

Charles O. (209)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 8:55 am
Hello Gillian M.. Hello Rob and Jay B.. I see that you have not deigned to address my simple proposal:

> Israel agrees to stop killing Palestinian children -- or agrees to stop its own terror -- and, IN EXCHANGE, we commemorate the victims of Munich 1972.

. .

How could you possibly object to this?

Here is the problem with the moment of silence for the Munich athletes: Most of the killing in Israel-Palestine is done by Israel, so if we are going to remember the victims of Palestinian terror, it is only fair that we remember the victims of Israeli terror as well. Otherwise, Israel will USE the commemoration as a mandate to kill even more people and make even more wars. All of this killing will be whitewashed as "Revenge For Munich".

All of Israel's killing aside, do you guys think it is healthy for a group of people to see themselves as Infinite Victims? This embrace of Perpetual Victimhood is not the behavior of a self-respecting adult! Why should the IOC pander to this pathetic victimology?

 

Charles O. (209)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 9:11 am
Gillian M. writes:

> Charles, you show your bitterness against Jews and Israel so well.

So asking people to stand on their own feet is "bitterness"?

I have no bitterness, Gillian. What I do have is a strong sense of what is right and good and healthy. It is not right for a regional superpower to pose as a "Poor Helpless Defenseless Victim", especially when it is addicted to war and keeps millions of people under perpetual occupation and bombardment. This delusion of Infinite Victimhood is not healthy. It's actually sickening, and I have no desire to pander to it or foster it.

Your motives are transparent: You want the U.S. to make war against Islam. You want to return us to the Crusades of the Middle Ages, and you are hoping that the tragedy at Munich can be used to goad us into making war and killing more people.

I have more faith in our culture than you do, Gillian. That's why I don't buy into this fanatical Fear of Islam. I've seen it all before, in the Cold Holy War period, when we were all supposed to live in fear of a Russian Invasion. The Fear Drug does not appeal to me.

> It is part of the general pattern of misguided policy that our country is now geared to an arms economy which was bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and nurtured upon an incessant propaganda of fear.

-- General Douglas MacArthur
 

Beatrice B. (115)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 10:42 am
PETITION; PLEASE SIGN;
http://www.change.org/petitions/international-olympic-committee-minute-of-silence-at-the-2012-london-olympics?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=friend_inviter_modal


 

Ge M. (216)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 1:20 pm
Charles, perhaps if the terrorist organisations stopped targeting children then you would be on the right track. Israelis DO NOT target children and I know that for a fact. I lost a friend of mine, a colonel, who died to save a "Palestinian" child from being shot by one of her own.

Terrorists have used a "Palestinian" orphanage to hide in whilst attacking an Israeli kindergarden secure in the knowledge that the IDF would not shoot back. Know your facts before drivelling.

And, note the comments about Hamas comments about Israel along with their principals. Terrorists will shoot babies in a buggy, enter houses and shoot them in bed, because even babies are enemies. They blow up school buses or places where youngsters hang out. I have yet to hear anyone accuse Israel of that.

In fact, if the terrorists had truly wanted peace then I would not have had any of the comments to put on this page.
 

Ge M. (216)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 1:23 pm
Charles such an accurate description of the "Palestinians" a made up race kept permanently as refugees to make people like you fall for the PR.

"It is not right for a regional superpower to pose as a "Poor Helpless Defenseless Victim", especially when it is addicted to war and keeps millions of people under perpetual occupation and bombardment. This delusion of Infinite Victimhood is not healthy."

It's actually sickening, and I have no desire to pander to it or foster it. - I quite agree, it sickens me that everyone attacks Israel for the sin of existing and for the sin of protecting itself.
 

Kit B. (277)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 3:47 pm

There is no doubt that what happened in the 1972 Olympics was a tragedy. However, since that time no Olympic Games have held any special tribute, so why now? Why all the big outrage for this year? For the families one minute of silence will not bring anyone back, for those who have no feelings or memories of that time it means nothing. Why play the victim card - let it be.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 4:34 pm
Regardless of who was murdered at the 1972 Olympics - one minutes silence is little to ask and should have been requested at each Olympic Games since. It is a sign of respect just as we remember Anzac Day here for fallen comrades and Remberance Day of WW1 and WW2. Victims of tsunamis and the Bali Bombing day are also paid special tribute. Why not the Munich atheletes that were brutally cut down - or is it because they were JEWS? So Kit and Charles - the One Minute silence will not bring anyone back - neither will the other occasions we have noted............it is all about Respect for our lost loved ones.
 

Stan B. (124)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 5:56 pm
Kit B. By applying the same logic should we also stop playing the victim card and forget the 6 million Jews who were slaughtered by the Nazis? Nothing's going to bring them back either.
 

Charles O. (209)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 9:08 pm
Stan B. writes:

> Kit B. By applying the same logic should we also stop playing the victim card and forget the 6 million Jews who were slaughtered by the Nazis? Nothing's going to bring them back either.

. .

Hello Stan B..

* And what about the millions of Roma who were slaughtered by the Nazis?
* And what about the twenty million from the Soviet Union, slaughtered by the Nazis?

Why are these people NOT "playing the victim card"?

And what about the millions who were killed by the largely-Jewish Bolsheviks? I don't hear them "playing" any "cards".

And what about the “6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism” that Rabbi Stephen S. Wise spoke of in 1900? Or the 6,000,000 Jewish victims that Dr. Paul Nathan spoke of in 1906? Or the 6,000,000 additional Jewish victims that Martin Glynn spoke of in 1919? It looks like Zionists have "played the victim card" at least four times, while other people, who have suffered even greater losses -- e.g., the ten million killed in the Belgian Congo in 1900 -- make no attempt to exploit our compassion.

. .

Jews suffered grievously under fascism, but they were not the only people who suffered. In the European "theater", at least 35 million people were killed.

But only one group, the Zionists, sees that catastrophe as a "card" to "play" over and over again. Only one group uses that catastrophe as a cover for its own descent into fascism.
 

pam w. (187)
Sunday May 27, 2012, 9:18 pm
Here's what happened....a group of athletes were deliberately chosen to be murdered when they came in peace to the Olympics. It hadn't happened before or since. In my opinion, honoring them with a moment of silence would indicate a real commitment to the elimination of future acts of this type.

Charles....can you EVER separate a single event from your crusade? These people were victims...innocent victims of a violent, clearly premeditated and well-planned attack. That attack was completely contradictory to the spirit of the Olympic games.

Can you just acknowledge that and get off the "Zionists are crap" horse? For once?
 

Phyllis Baxter (40)
Monday May 28, 2012, 4:13 am
Terrorism is never justified. Charles O- targeting the Olympics is despicable- it is supposed to be a time of joy and excitement. The ancient Olympics were a time when the weapons and wars were put aside.

Yes, there should be a rememberance- not because the athletes wre Israeli- but to reject the filth and degradation of terrorism on every innocent who suffers from it and how it drags civilization back to the level of the jungle. .

 

Charles O. (209)
Monday May 28, 2012, 6:46 am
Phyllis Baxter writes:

> Terrorism is never justified. Charles O- targeting the Olympics is despicable- it is supposed to be a time of joy and excitement. The ancient Olympics were a time when the weapons and wars were put aside.

. .

Hello Phyllis. Terrorism is despicable WHATEVER the target.

Will we put aside our current wars while the Olympics are held? No. The killing in Palestine will continue. The occupation of Afghanistan will continue. The drone strikes will continue. The strife in Libya, Iraq, Yemen, Syria and Bahrain will continue. And we are preparing to launch another major war.

So it is hypocritical to condemn a terrorist attack that happened fifty years ago, while supporting and engaging in mega-terror today. The only ones deluded by this hypocrisy will be ourselves.

. .

> Yes, there should be a rememberance- not because the athletes wre Israeli- but to reject the filth and degradation of terrorism on every innocent who suffers from it and how it drags civilization back to the level of the jungle. .

. .

But the victims WERE Israelis, Phyllis, and pretending otherwise doesn't work. Again, we would be deluding only ourselves.

Terrorism feeds on terrorism. The remembrance of one act of terror panders to the ravenous self-righteousness that leads to future acts of terror. We would not be deterring terror: We would be fostering it.

It would be different if the victims came from a country that is not itself a primary cause of terror and war. We could then acknowledge that the country was victimized, without having to worry about feeding an unhealthy identity based on Victimhood and thus feeding a bottomless pit of reprisal and adding to the injustice.

. .

If we want to condemn terror, we must condemn ALL terror, including the mega-terror perpetrated by the war-makers. Allowing one of the leading purveyors of terror to pose as the Ultimate Terror Victim is Orwellian and counter-productvie. The hypocrisy further diminishes our credibility, and we delude only ourselves.

And we must ensure that our remembrance does not nurture the kind of Victim Identity that spawns terror and war.

A commemoration of the Munich Massacre fails on both counts.
 

Ge M. (216)
Monday May 28, 2012, 7:26 am
Charles, Your right wing attitudes show loud and clear. Nowhere have you mentioned the attacks on Israel only on the Muslims, a religion Hitler approved of and you clearly support. Hitler was anti-Semitic and you endorse this attitude.

I agree that all terrorism should be condemned, but you don't, you pick and choose.

I do not see why the families of the murdered victims cannot have their pain recognised, other atrocities have been recognised but this attack hasn't. If not then why not now? Oh yes, they were Israelis and Jews!
 

Charles O. (209)
Monday May 28, 2012, 8:30 am
Hello Gillian M. --

As you well know, I have ZERO sympathy for Hitler and no sympathy for fascists in general.

The moral sensibility that prompts me to oppose the fascists of seventy years ago is the same sensibility that prompts me to oppose the Zionists today.

My weak and tepid support for Muslims is inspired mainly by Reverend Niemoeller's famous statement:

> First they came for ... and I didn't speak out. Then ... they came for me.

Well, today, the fascists are coming for the Muslims, and if they get away with destroying this religion, they will target others and finally they will target me. So the time to speak out and stop this crusade is NOW.

I would have no objection to a commemoration, if I thought it would help us to end war and terror. But I fear that a commemoration would have the exact opposite effect, and I don't see anyone addressing my concerns. How can we condemn ALL acts of terror, including the mega-terror of the war-makers? And how can we avoid feeding the aggressor's Victimology?

If our words say one thing and our actions say the opposite, then the only thing we achieve is more cynicism.

The rejection of a commemoration makes a more powerful statement than a commemoration would make. The absence of a commemoration says that we are no longer going to wallow in Israel's endless feud with the native people. It says that we are not interested in continuing this feud and we are not interested in the self-righteous recriminations that feed the feud. It says that we have better things to do than refight the wars of fifty years ago. It says that we are tired of posing as Poor Helpless Defenseless Victims. It says that we have found our self-respect.
What about the pain of the families of people murdered by Israel: Why can't they have their pain recognized?
 

Fred H. (31)
Monday May 28, 2012, 11:46 am
The Munich Massacre was an attack not just on Israel and Jews, but on everything the Olympics stands for. The IOC's failure to acknowledge the severity of this attack is reprehensible and cowardly (no doubt, they fear offending the Muslims who rejoice at the massacre).
 

Tommy S. (11)
Monday May 28, 2012, 11:48 pm
now if only islamic texts could express anything other than hate for non muslims and especially for Jews, but then the anti Israel clique don't care.---- they will never address the core problem that 1400 years of hate produces.
 

Charles O. (209)
Tuesday May 29, 2012, 12:34 am
Tommy S. writes:

> they will never address the core problem that 1400 years of hate produces.

1400 years of hate?! It seems like the WHOLE UNIVERSE REVOLVES around "Hate For Jews". Either that, or somebody is delusional.

What about the Arab leaders who were INVITING Jews to emigrate to Palestine and hai;ling these Jews as "blood brothers"? What about the Palestinians who offered their land as a refuge to Jews fleeing from the Inquisition? Do you see any of that? Or is Hate the only thing you see?

Why not "14,000,000 years of hate"? Wouldn't that be even more impressive? Wouldn't that enable Israel to feel even MORE justified when it goes on its killing sprees?

Oh, I see: 1,400 years is how long Islam has existed, and you want us to eradicate Islam.

But what will you say when the 1.3 billion or so "Hateful" Muslims have been eradicated?

Will you then start talking about "2,012 years of Hate", and you will want us to eradicate these "Hateful" Christians.

The one thing Zionists will never do is look in the mirror.
 

pam w. (187)
Tuesday May 29, 2012, 8:35 am
Once again to Charles.....Here's what happened....a group of athletes were deliberately chosen to be murdered when they came in peace to the Olympics. It hadn't happened before or since. In my opinion, honoring them with a moment of silence would indicate a real commitment to the elimination of future acts of this type.

Charles....can you EVER separate a single event from your crusade? These people were victims...innocent victims of a violent, clearly premeditated and well-planned attack. That attack was completely contradictory to the spirit of the Olympic games.

Can you just acknowledge that and get off the "Zionists are crap" horse? For once?
 

Nancy C. (790)
Tuesday May 29, 2012, 8:06 pm
I was 59304th on the change petition. Thanx Beatrice for the above link.
 

Phyllis Baxter (40)
Wednesday May 30, 2012, 3:40 pm
'All of Israel's killing aside, do you guys think it is healthy for a group of people to see themselves as Infinite Victims? This embrace of Perpetual Victimhood is not the behavior of a self-respecting adult! Why should the IOC pander to this pathetic victimology? '

Oh boy Charles O- do you even think before you post?

'Pathetic victimology' indeed!

600,000 Palestinian refugees turned into 5 million since 1948 and are they all sitting in Gaza or the West Bank?

No- the vast majority are in other countries, safe and well and prospering as Canadians, Americans, British etc born and bred- yet still classified as 'refugees' in perpetuity- the status is inherited and each and every one of them recieves money from the UN and special treatment and designation as a protected person all their lives and passed on to their children and grandchildren.

What a waste of UN funds and our sympathy. A total scam and rip off as well as a cruel hoax played on well meaning people who support the 'Palestinian cause'.
 
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