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UN Condemns 'Baby Boxes' Across Europe

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The UN Committee on the Rights of the Child is pushing to abolish baby 'boxes' where mothers can legally abandon unwanted babies. Social workers argue otherwise.

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Aino Viita (0)
Monday July 9, 2012, 2:41 am

wolfNoFwdsPls a (135)
Monday July 9, 2012, 2:58 am
fukkk UN. What a (all-too-often) neurotic, heads-deep-in-the sand establishement.

It sure is sad, that something like Kinderklappen/"baybBoxes" are needed. But currently they are needed direly, as demonstrated e.g. by the numerous baby-corpses found ... found in garbage, refrigerators, ...
What ought to be 'condemned' and abolished, is the causes, that make such a sad installaion useful and necessary, ie. the $ickne$$ instead an attempt to deal with it, alleviate it.

BabyBoxes should become a thing of the past, and they should ll be closed, and with a big celebration, but not before 3 years after the last one was used !!


Eternal Gardener (745)
Monday July 9, 2012, 3:42 am
Wow, this is the first time I hear of this! Both sides have a point, but the main thing has to be finding a suitable alternative... in the meantime it is befitting for our throw away society, everything better than finding them dead in the trash... gruesome.

Teresa W (782)
Monday July 9, 2012, 4:58 am
It's a lesser evil.

Daniel Partlow (179)
Monday July 9, 2012, 7:32 am
I see points on both sides. Although I feel it may encourage bad mothers to throw away their unwanted babies ( which is just horrible) these may help ensure the lives of some babies. Still there is always a means to give up your baby for adoption. And these facilities may help to encourage the parent to keep the child.

Dee C (229)
Monday July 9, 2012, 10:17 am
According to the article it does have a percentage of women that return for their babies..Though I have no doubt that some of those women would not be fit to be a mother..and the babies are better off without them..
It is a shame that something has to be in place..however.. it is far better to have it in place so that babies are not left to die.or left to live with an unfit parent..
Some people are against Planned Parenthood..but they do a lot of good...They help to educate theses same women to prevent the first place..


. (0)
Monday July 9, 2012, 11:06 am
Not the best solution for an unwanted child, but, the alternatives are horrible.

Nicole W (646)
Monday July 9, 2012, 11:20 am
now there will be a rise in infant mortality

Sue Matheson (79)
Monday July 9, 2012, 11:52 am

cecily w (0)
Monday July 9, 2012, 12:17 pm
I never heard of this before. WOW!

But, I agree with Wolf. Keep the baby boxes until none have been used for perhaps 3 years.

Janet G (0)
Monday July 9, 2012, 12:29 pm

Kathlene Lentz (30)
Monday July 9, 2012, 12:42 pm
I think these baby boxes are a better idea than abortion, infanticide or abandoning a baby somewhere unsafe. It give the parent an option that will ensure the safety of the baby. That is a good thing.

Billie C (2)
Monday July 9, 2012, 12:59 pm
better than putting the baby in the garbage or dumping it by the side of the road. some people don't want to be known and don't want that kid. let them have a safe place to leave it and not have to say who they are.

Angela Gottschalk (0)
Monday July 9, 2012, 1:17 pm
noted, thanks

Brenda Towers (0)
Monday July 9, 2012, 1:41 pm
Noted. Although the idea seems awful, at least the child is safe. It would be better if the mother could have someone to approach and hand the baby to, so that in the future they could be traced.

Brenda Towers (0)
Monday July 9, 2012, 1:43 pm
N&S There are so many parents who are keen to adopt a child. Going through the legal channels is the best way for all concerned.

Gloria H (88)
Monday July 9, 2012, 4:26 pm
In countries where abortion is banned, this makes a lot of sense. Better to leave them in a box, than to expose them to the elements/hungry animals/zombies.
It will be difficult for the child's medical lineage to be determined, but being alive without knowledge of parents beats being a statistic.

Naoko i (264)
Monday July 9, 2012, 4:34 pm
There were (have been) discussions, arguments and condemnations about one like this in Japan. It was a shock to me when the hospital that accepts babies started the "box" (they call it "cradle", though) but then, if we force the mothers (rather say "women who bore the babies?" they aren't mothers, are they?) to keep the babies, they might we well abandon or abuse the babies...
Still, in a society where "adoption" doesn't take place often and considered as something to hide or be ashamed of, thus such babies mostly end up not having loving families, I'd like "baby box" to become unnecessary one day.

Fred Krohn (34)
Monday July 9, 2012, 5:01 pm
'Kinderklappen' have a history going back to medićval times, where religious orders allowed anonymous deposit of babies a parent couldn't afford to raise to become wards of whatever church ran the box. It was a partial solution to the demands of churches that discouraged health, contraception, and other measures to control human reproductive rates. Anywhere a religion tries to force national law towards an unrestricted reproduction rate, people will have need to do something about unwanted children they cannot support. Kinderklappen are at least a legitimate attempt by some religions to alleviate the problems.

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Monday July 9, 2012, 5:12 pm

Dotti L (85)
Monday July 9, 2012, 6:21 pm
Mixed feelings on this subject. Will do some more reading.

Bianca D (87)
Monday July 9, 2012, 6:59 pm
If there's a need for them, we should keep them until the root of the situation can be dealt with. The alternatives are unthinkable.

Ed G (1)
Monday July 9, 2012, 9:42 pm
These stories are always interesting. The fun comes when the street hits the rubber. People who do not not want abortion do not want to have their taxes increased to pay for bringing up baby. They have not fully thought what happens when you keep a baby alive, hint it costs money. Yes it would be nice that the pregnancies not happen but they do (for multiple reasons) but then people do not want to fund pregnancy avoidance education or basic birth control. It is part and parcel of education.

Julia R (297)
Monday July 9, 2012, 11:04 pm
There seems to be a need for these and despite the good intentions of the UNCRC, I think that in terms of saving lives of babies, that the baby boxes do indeed save more lives. I would also like to see more social services programs such as access to counselors, family planning and better access to birth control to reduce unwanted pregnancies, however many countries don't have the money or unfortunately don't see the need to put more resources into these programs so it leaves the woman in a very difficult situation especially if she's still a child or teenager, or is living on the streets. There's always a disparity between the ideal and what is reality and I think these boxes are necessary given the lack of resources that still exist in our world for many.

Shan D (49)
Monday July 9, 2012, 11:33 pm
Would the UN prefer these babies be dumped in the landfill or the nearest garbage can? Does the child's right to "know" its parents trump its right to be ALIVE?

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 10, 2012, 8:11 am
There have always been and always will be mothers who abandon their babies, but isn't there an element of inviting them to do so about this?

Past Member (0)
Friday July 13, 2012, 6:13 pm
UN Condemns 'Baby Boxes' Across Europe

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UN Condemns 'Baby Boxes' Across Europe

The Nativity of Jesus, also The Nativity, refers to the accounts of the birth of Jesus, primarily based on the two accounts in the gospels of Luke and Matthew, and secondarily on some apocryphal texts. The word is anglicized from Latin De nativitate Iesu, a section title in the Vulgate.

The canonical gospels of Luke and Matthew describe Jesus being born in Bethlehem, in Judea, to a virgin mother. Luke features the Christmas story, in which Joseph and Mary, as part of a census, travel to Bethlehem, where Jesus is born and laid in a manger.[1] Angels proclaim him a savior for all people, and shepherds come to adore him. In Matthew, wise men follow a star to Bethlehem to bring gifts to Jesus, born the King of the Jews. King Herod massacres all the toddler boys in Bethlehem to kill Jesus, but the holy family flees to Egypt and later settles in Nazareth. Scholars debate whether these two accounts can be reconciled or not, and some view the narratives as non-historical.[2][3][4][5] Some scholars view the discussion of historicity as secondary, given that gospels were primarily written as theological documents rather than chronological timelines.[6][7][8][9] Other traditional Christian scholars maintain that the two accounts do not contradict each other, pointing to the similarities between them.[10]
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