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The Media Coverage of Paul Ryan's Speech: 15 Euphemisms for 'Lying'


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Paul Ryan, lies, propaganda, media, ethics, republicans, crime, cover-up, corruption, elections, candidates, americans, usa, politics, news )

Cal
- 749 days ago - theweek.com
Journalists are going to awkward lengths to avoid the L-word when reviewing Ryan's address -- even though the veep candidate told several brazen whoppers



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Alexandra Rodda (176)
Thursday August 30, 2012, 10:13 pm
As the great bard said: "A rose by any other name would reek the same!"
This is not a misquote. The great bard in question is C. J. Dennis, the Australian poet who describes how "The sentimental bloke"and his Doreen had an evening out to see Romeo and Juliet by the other great bard.

Likewise, a lie by any other name would reek the same. Pity that so many Americans have anosmia, though thankfully, not all
 

Alexandra Rodda (176)
Thursday August 30, 2012, 10:23 pm
Today is your last chance to donate to the Obama campaign who are struggling against the lies on TV and other media.funded by the huge money mountain that the coal, oil and other multibillionaires have donated to make sure that they can get even richer than they are now, as they don't yet feel secure - and never will because their fear has nothing to do with their circumstances - it is part of their nature.

Please donate whatever you can as this is a deadline for donations:

Tonight was their night.

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The fundraising deadline tomorrow is one of the last we get to build the campaign it takes to win.

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I can't donate as I am an Australian. I am urging you to save yourselves, as if the right wing party in the US wins, there will be a domino effect and we will be ruled like slaves by A... H.... like Gina (our equivalent of the Koch brothers) and Tony Abbot, our equivalent of Paul Ryan. So please, even if you don't care about yourself, do it to save me and the Australian people!
 

H Nick H. (1826)
Friday August 31, 2012, 12:07 am
You are correct Alexandra. If these right wing bastards take any more of our counntry, it will not only bring us back to even worse than the Bush years, but bring the whole world in depression and worse.
 

Alfred Donovan (46)
Friday August 31, 2012, 1:52 am
Politicians have an inherent inability to tell the truth.I don't trust any of them.They always do the opposite to what they tell us before the election and face the other way.
 

Arild Warud (165)
Friday August 31, 2012, 3:30 am
TY Cal.
 

John S. (303)
Friday August 31, 2012, 3:32 am
Is this media coverage or is the liberal media coverage?
 

Carol H. (229)
Friday August 31, 2012, 4:34 am
noted, thank you Cal
 

Gloria picchetti (290)
Friday August 31, 2012, 6:02 am
All the GOP speeches were the same old nazi patriotic/religious garbage.
 

Elaine B. (24)
Friday August 31, 2012, 6:40 am
I love the comment given by another reader " a rose by any other name" I really don't like politics, I detest the way that one person can openly say terrible things against another, and that this is the norm. Outside on the streets if anyone else did or said some of the things the politicians said, it would be police, jail, etc. etc.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 31, 2012, 7:20 am
Perchance Mr. Ryan's devotion to the fiction of Ayn Rand or the promise of infomercial muscle confusion (http://www.beachbody.com/product/how-p90x-works-muscle-confusion.do) are what are contributing to his factually shaky public presentations
 

paul m. (93)
Friday August 31, 2012, 7:21 am

Poor fellow...needs a bit of help...
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday August 31, 2012, 7:47 am
Hi :)

There are a lot of problems with this article:

I pointed out on another thread that Ryan's point, and that of everyone else, regarding the healthcare cuts, is not about the cuts to healthcare themselves, but where the money goes. Ryan has one idea about where to put the money and Obama has another. While they both include the cuts, the two plans are not even remotely similar. Ryan sees his cuts as leaving people with money to seek private-sector solutions and Obama's plan as wasteful, so while there is certainly room for disagreement, his speech was not dishonest in this regard.

The second "lie", about ignoring the debt-commission, was actually the topic of a question during an interview with Wolf Blitzer following the speech. He explained, at length, that he didn't have a problem with Obama's rejection of the budget itself, but his rejection in the absence of offering a viable alternative. Ryan offered an alternative which he believed to be viable when he voted against the recommendation. It's a case of "A good plan is better than a mediocre one, but even a mediocre one is better than none at all."

Going through its sources:

The AP actually doesn't say what this one says it does, neither in text nor in the video. I think the article may have linked to the wrong AP story, if there is one that actually talks about "factual shortcuts".
I see several errors in the Huffington Post article by which it claims that Ryan's statements were false. Repeating both errors noted above and keeping the whole point about the GM plant closing before Obama took office, despite including updates below totally vindicating his statement. Then it ignores the extra $1 trillion structural deficit created by Obama. (I know the 2009 budget was originally drafted under Bush, but changes to it, not even counting adjustments that should have been made for lost revenues from the 2008 crash, roughly doubled deficit-spending.)
The Washington Post makes the same mistakes about the plant and the budget-commission.
The Business Insider talks about the S&P downgrade. I read the S&P report shortly after it came out. It places blame equally on both parties, concentrating on political gridlock rather than whether raising immediate revenues or cutting costs would be more helpful. It also includes blame for Democrats for refusing to cut costs.
talking Points Memo repeats four errors and repeats a common problem in a fifth claim: Democrats and Republicans have two different ideas about how the economy works, which lead to diametrically opposite policy-prescriptions even for the same purpose. Republicans see more benefit for the poor in freeing up funds by which investors can create jobs than through direct government-programs. There is also often a divide between which "poor" are being helped, the working poor or the unemployed.
Same medicare-mistakes in Esquire and Atlantic.
The New Republic repeats errors made by others.
USA Today makes the same mistakes, though it adds something partially correct: Americans were not all cut out of Stimulus spending. However, the support it uses refers to tax-cuts, not spending.
NPR repeats others' errors.
The Global Post repeats the medicare error, though it does add some straight bashing of Ryan on abortion.
The Slate repeats the Medicare mistake.
I watched the Wolf Blitzer interview, and he was the CNN correspondent on-site. He then went and checked the facts with Ryan and Ryan effectively defended his statements.

The real story I see here is a demonstration of one of the primary problems in the news today:

Even just looking at CNN's iReport guidelines for non-professionals, reporters are expected not to report something as factual unless they find it claimed by multiple independent sources without formal agendas and not effectively disputed. The extreme similarity between the fifteen citations, both in the points they make and how they support them, down to the precise figures, demonstrates that they are not, in fact, independent sources. They each got their information, most likely, from Politifact and Factcheck.org, getting different information from each and not using them for cross-checking. They also completely ignore media of opposing ideologies which are likely to dispute their sources. With news-agencies creating an echo-chamber like this, but failing to check whether their sources are truly independent, an astounding amount of false information gets through, and not just regarding U.S. politics. This, combined with the issue of ideology-based credibility-judgments and the need for customer-loyalty, is why I check every news-source extensively.
 

Diane O. (149)
Friday August 31, 2012, 8:17 am
There are no lies being told by the Republican party. The lies have been flying from Obama and this administration for four years. Obama started lying early in 2007 when he started campaigning.

One thing that will always stand out in my mind was when asked, Obama on two separate occasions gave two very different versions of how he met his wife, Michelle.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I know of NO ONE who can't remember how they met the person they love.

Right then and there, I knew we had a charlatan sitting in the Oval Office.
 

Diane O. (149)
Friday August 31, 2012, 8:19 am
What I believe is going on now with our Care 2 liberals is that they see the writing on the wall and know that Barack and Michelle Obama will packing their personal belongings soon and going back to Chicago where they belong. I believe this is hard for them to accept. The republicans can expect a lot of desperate attempts to destroy Romney/Ryan but the problem is they simply don't have the ammunition.

Romney and Ryan now have America on her feet and this time she is SMILING...
 

Michael Kirkby (85)
Friday August 31, 2012, 8:20 am
Who are the bigger liars; the media or the polticians?
 

Diane O. (149)
Friday August 31, 2012, 8:30 am
Michael, it depends on who, in the media, is writing the story and which politician you are referring to. President Bill Clinton Lied under oath and was impeached. John Edwards lied about his affair. Richard Nixon lied about Watergate and the tapes.

We have people in the world who love to embellish stories with their own "touch." We also have those who would tell the truth no matter what.

People lie. There's not a scale that I am aware of that measures a bigger liar from a small liar.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Friday August 31, 2012, 9:02 am
His speech was riddled with false claims, so much so that even Fox News wrote, “To anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.” Even Fox News admits it....
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Friday August 31, 2012, 3:08 pm
We have Truth in Advertising laws that prevent Corporations from LYING blatantly in advertising their products. Well, lying TOO obviously, anyway -- if they get legally caught, they can be prosecuted.

OTHER countries have laws, that prevent LYING IN ELECTIONS. That can be prosecuted under their laws, too.

The Romney camp has admitted that LYING WORKS FOR THEM and they are NOT GOING TO QUIT.

Our laws on this subject MAKE NO SENSE AT ALL!!!
 

Diane O. (149)
Friday August 31, 2012, 3:21 pm
Arielle, that article was written by a left wing Fox "contributor" who was a former community organizer and apparently in the Obama camp. If you think for a second that the left wing politicians haven't had their moment in the sun being wrong on their time lines you'll have to think again and again. Obama himself stated we had 57 states, which, of course, was wrong.
 

Diane O. (149)
Friday August 31, 2012, 3:27 pm
BMutiny, actually, it is called "putting a spin on the truth." It's impossible to lie about the facts, however, the media puts their own spin on issues.

"The Romney camp has admitted that LYING WORKS FOR THEM" I believe to be an emotional statement which cannot be supported by any documentation.

This is an historical election one we haven't experienced before. Americans will vote on two very different visions for our country. This is why comments here on Care 2 are extremely heated and, yes, emotional.

We have freedom of speech in America. Some countries kill their citizens for speaking their minds when it goes against their government. Comparing the US to other countries is like comparing apples to oranges.
 

Wayne W. (12)
Friday August 31, 2012, 4:20 pm
Nick, yes you are exactly right, thank you. How can any educated person not know that the economic policies the GOP says they will implement are a recipe for world wide depression, the exact same one that crashed the economy in 1929 and 2008.

Diane, wow. If there's ever an award for delusion I'm nominating you. It's impossible to lie about the facts? Republicans are immune to facts.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday August 31, 2012, 9:26 pm
Hi everyone :)

Here is another interesting article about the coverage of Ryan's speech, which I think addresses much of the discussion here:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/08/30/andrew-coyne-a-little-fairness-would-go-a-long-way-in-u-s-politics-and-media/
 
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