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Jews Question Their Future in Germany


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Cal
- 739 days ago - spiegel.de
The bitter tone of the debate over the legality of circumcision has shocked Jews living in Germany and reopened old wounds. In light of what many report are ongoing difficulties, some are now wondering if the country truly wants them.



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Jennifer C. (172)
Monday September 10, 2012, 5:10 pm
Thanks.
 

Diane B. (275)
Monday September 10, 2012, 5:13 pm
thanks Cal for posting this, why do people always attack the Jews ?
 

Maggie Kearns (7)
Monday September 10, 2012, 7:26 pm
This is so sad. My grandfather z'l ,was part of the German Underground. He could never understand how the German view of egalitism didn't seem to include Jews or Gypsies .He'd be crushed with this recent wave of facism. May modern Germany wake up!
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Monday September 10, 2012, 8:54 pm
This breaks my heart!..thankyou for the post, Cal.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 12:33 am
If Jews and Muslims want to practice circumcision then they can go outside of Germany to have it done. Personally, I think it's none of the Germans business and I don't see anything wrong with the practice, but Germany is Germany and Germany is Christian. How many times do they need to make that point clear and in how many ways?
 

John S. (303)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 4:35 am
I think many countries are having this debate.
 

Frans Badenhorst (552)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 5:04 am
thanks for the post Cal... yes, welcome to earth... no peace over here hey..
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 5:50 am
Thanks.
 

Anne Ortiz Talvaz (13)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 5:50 am
I don't know the motives of the German judge who started the whole controversy - racist opinions, a desire to make trouble or huge naivety - but I hope the situation is resolved soon on the basis of testimony by circumcised men. Angela Merkel took the right line when she described the decision as ridiculous.
 

Ioannes J. (1)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 6:06 am
In my opinion, Jews and Muslims need to understandably about humanity of circumcision of a baby in eyes of the German. My question: does babies have rights too even though they are babies? Does parent can literately took baby rights away by circumcision them even thought child belong to him/ her? If parent took baby civil rights (freedom, happiness, attach body system, etc) it parent right (beside safety of a baby), then it mean by controlling baby AND "In Jews Eye scarified a lamb" for circumcision.

2ndly, German citizen should not be harsh on physical attack by threat on any person.

I agree with Heidi that Jews and Muslim should go outside of Germany for circumcision.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 6:28 am
"jews" are not a race of people but a person as part of religion, the earth is our shared home and all beings under the truth of evolution are family and to do good should be our only religion.
life has value beyond measure
Peace and Love

 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 7:15 am
Sorry Michael but you are misinformed. Indeed, Jews are a nation [Am Israel] of people albeit scattered throughout the globe. Recent DNA studies show this without a doubt. It is a nation with diverse opinion on just about any subject. And, like myself there are a great number of secular Jews. However, your concluding remarks are above reproach. Shalom
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 7:21 am
It's amazing how the judge could be considered 'racist' or 'anti-semitic' or 'islamophobic' for branding this awful barbaric, tribal practice as the child abuse and genital mutilation it is and trying to stop this old tribal ritual.

If this was being done on little girl babies all of you faux 'Liberals' would be praising Germany for its modern, progressive views, but little baby boys don't count, do they, in your twisted view of morality?

If the Creator didn't want baby boys to be born with foreskins on their most sensitive parts of their bodies, she would never have created them, would she? Time to come into the modern scientific age and abandon these ridiculous old superstitions. Black African tribes have practived this and circumcision on girls for millenia too. They don't believe in either the Jewish or Muslims' deities (which are not the same, despite the propaganda to the contrary). So this is not from a god. It is ancient tribal superstition.

Go Germany! It's great to know there is a judge with the courage to stand up against these zealots and protect these little helpless boy babies.

If an adult man or woman chooses to belong to either of these ideologies and freely chooses to have their own self circumcised, then knock yourselves out, but to do this genital mutilation to helpless babies, male or female, is sick, perverted and pure child abuse.

Shame on Merkle for caving in to the threats from these fanatics.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 8:07 am
Speaking regarding males only, myself and a whole lot of other male babies were circumcised with absolutely no negative effects. Now don't give me all the negative effects some males account for because of it, since that doesn't void the above fact.

"If the Creator didn't want baby boys to be born with foreskins on their most sensitive parts of their bodies, she would never have created them, would she?"
Well if that isn't pure opinion, and to some people, atheists for example, pure superstition and fantasy of yours about a 'Creator'. Bottom line, to you some other people's beliefs and ideas are superstition and fantasy, and to others, yours are. Duh.

As for the gist of your statement itself, going by your logic. if the Creator hadn't wanted insane persons or deformed babies or those born with terminal illness or those born with one gender genitals and have to undergo surgery (now how painful is that?) to change to the other gender, or serial killers or Hitler or animal torturers or or or.... he wouldn't have created them would he?
Which is about the lamest idea possible since it's total rhetoric and can't be proven or disproven as fact.

Elsewhere you've also called the Creator in Islam 'imaginary' while in the same breath validating Christ---yet he said he was the Son of God, the Creator in other words in human form, so you proclaim which Creator is the 'real' Creator and which is the 'imaginary' one. Thanks for telling everyone! Now we know 'the truth'. LOL.

 

Kenneth L. (314)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 8:14 am
Now get your attack dogs to swarm me.
 

Ioannes J. (1)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 8:35 am
Here's website of Jew belief.
http://www.whatjewsbelieve.org/
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 11:56 am

Once again we see the affects of having government and religion intertwined. Whether it is a practice that does have life time affects, is one based on opinion and not real scientific knowledge. Should it ever be proven to cause some deep damage then I believe most Jewish people would take that in account. This is something that should not be in a court room or up for public debate unless or until it is proven by actual science to have some sort of medical consequences. What is factual is that some babies foreskin is more attached then others, so if not removed as an infant, it becomes more traumatic as the man ages. That is by no means an excuse nor a reason for every man to be circumcised. When my son was born, I knew many Jews that had decided to not circumcise their boys. There was a Rabbi that allowed them to have the ceremony without the circumcision. That seemed a little strange to me, but only my own observation. Each family must be allowed to address this issue as they need.
 

Tim Haines (6)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 12:36 pm
Genital mutilation of children is wrong whether they are male or female.
 

Ge M. (217)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 12:37 pm
Coming from a community where all boys were automatically circumcised, I found it to be totally normal and was surprised that so many didn't. It is done quickly and hygienically with a very sharp circular blade. The babies may bleed for a few days and that is it. The males find it easier to be clean and the women do not suffer cervical cancer.

Being born with a foreskin does not necessarily mean that it is a good thing. We are born to walk upright but our body has problems with it. We all have an appendix but so many have to have it removed. Sinusitis, rotten teeth, flat feet, sun burn, tonsilitis and many more common conditions that afflict us as well as cancer, arthritis, etc some races more than others. Does that mean that we should not treat them as we were born that way?

 

Brian M. (145)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 12:42 pm
Circumcision is a barbaric and cruel practice. It is nothing less than child abuse and NO RELIGION should have the right to inflict this horror upon children.
 

Linda MacRae (47)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 3:34 pm
read and noted! Opinion not worth giving at this moment in time. That being said, Germany should not interfere with this rite!
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 6:52 pm
This just seems to be a medical decision to me. As with women's reproductive rights, this is a matter between doctor/patient, (or, parents, in this case). This procedure was always discussed with my pediatrician. The choice is the parents to make. No gov't should get involved in a physician/patient relationship.
 

Cal Mendelsohn (992)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 6:59 pm
Lois has it right. Lots of bitterness here at Care2 on this too apparently.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday September 11, 2012, 10:24 pm
It's a personal choice and the Germans should keep well out of this contretemps - with their past record against the Jews. This is just nitpicking and could lead to more antagonism.Thanks Cal.
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 7:38 am
Where the hell was similar outrage against American attempts to ban circumcision, California had to pass a state law banning local governments from passing the exact same kinds of laws. And I have never heard any similar tempest about the US Military's, particularly the USAF, long, sordid and ongoing history of blatant discrimination and harassment of Jews in the ranks( check out the MRFF, Military Religious Freedom Foundation) site. But then there is the fact that Germany did not illegally give Nuclear weapons, which by the by are still just as illegal as those Iran may be building, to Israel like the US did.
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Wednesday September 12, 2012, 8:30 am
What the hell! This is one nasty piece of political/religious propaganda. Just where was all the outrage when the US State of California had to pass a law, which the Governor signed, banning local governments from passing the exact same kinds of Circumcision Bans. It could not possible be the fact that the US after refusing to allow European Jewish Immigrant ships to land, the US Illegally gave Israel nuclear weapons. And I am sure that the long, sordid and on going history of the US Military being anything but accepting and tolerant of Jews being ignored by Israelites.
 

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