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The Debate Subject for Humanity -- Will We Destroy Ourselves, or Change the Way We Live


Environment  (tags: climate-change, globalwarming, climate, lifestyles, green lifestyles, politics, humans, pollution, ecosystems, healthconditions, world, protection, habitat, habitatdestruction, environment )

Cal
- 637 days ago - alternet.org
Climate change isn't either a domestic or a foreign policy issue. It's the whole ball of wax. The total thing.



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John S. (297)
Friday October 12, 2012, 4:21 am
Thanks, good article.
 

Carol H. (229)
Friday October 12, 2012, 6:14 am
we will destroy ourselves I am sure
 

Daniel Partlow (189)
Friday October 12, 2012, 8:29 am
Those with the power to affect change are all fat, dumb,and happy with the way things are. For them life is a breeze of greed and pleasure. Why would they do anything to change that? The rest are either too few and too weak to make significant change. It will take things getting so bad that it will be impossible to fix before we actually really try. That is so sad and really, it is already too late to prevent the worst which is on the way.
 

Susanne R. (249)
Friday October 12, 2012, 9:49 am
Super article! Loved this analogy:

"In response to a question about the deficit in the first debate, Romney typically said , “I think it's, frankly, not moral for my generation to keep spending massively more than we take in, knowing those burdens are going to be passed on to the next generation and they're going to be paying the interest and the principal all their lives.” Not a bad point really. Who wants to pile an unbearable burden of debt on future generations who won’t be able to work their way out from under it?

Here would be my follow-up question, however: In that case, what’s “moral” about doing exactly that in terms of the planet -- ensuring the release of such quantities of greenhouse gasses that the global “debt” will increase staggeringly? And here’s the kicker: unlike a financial debt, the planet, the atmosphere, nature, physics will not, as Bill McKibben often points out , be prepared to negotiate a deal. If Argentina or even the U.S. goes bankrupt, there is always an imaginable path back. If humanity goes bankrupt on this planet, it’s another story entirely."

For all Bill Maher fans, Bill McKibben was a guest on his show last Friday. If you have HBO and missed it, you might want to view it using "On Demand." For those who don't have HBO, here's a link to see Bill McKibben on Maher's show: Bill McKibben: We Broke the Arctic"
 

Lin Penrose (92)
Friday October 12, 2012, 10:07 am
Thanks Cal, noted. climate change is only one factor human survival on this planet must contend with that we, as a species, have contributed to our and others survival struggles.

We have undermined the infrastructures of All needed survival ingredients. Millions of different poisons to air, land, and water. Destruction of the systems that could help clean them. Over Consumption of everything through over population. The survivors of any life forms on this planet will be tough and very changed survivors.

Denial of what we have done and continue to do, help some to get through another day. Certainly seems to work for many government leaders and "Big Business" throughout the world.

If you are one who tries very hard to be a positive resident on this planet, keep at it. We, hopefully, will make positive deciding factors by lessening the negative factors impacts.
 

Sheila D. (24)
Friday October 12, 2012, 10:59 am
Unfortunately, I think it will take a devastating catastrophe to our planet before people start realizing "it could happen here and it could happen to me". Until everyone realizes we are all connected, no matter where we live on the planet, it's an uphill battle.
 

Gene Jacobson (241)
Friday October 12, 2012, 11:51 am
" Only one conclusion seems reasonable: climate change has no place on this American planet. So far, both presidential campaigns indicate as much. To a wave of laughter in the final moments of his acceptance speech at the Republican convention, Mitt Romney mocked the subject, linking it negatively to the president."

It IS the whole ball of wax, indeed there is no more important item on the global agenda than climate change because ignoring it will result in the largest mass extinction event this "American" planet has ever seen. If, as all indicators seem to indicate, this ultimately results in an ice age rivaling or exceeding the last "great" one of 640,000 years ago which resulted in a "snowball" earth, every land based creature will perish as will virtually all oxygen based sea creatures, because not enough light will filter through a mile of ice to sustain it.

Many scientists already believe we are past the tipping point, that point at which we could reverse what we have done to this planet, the only home we all have. If that is true, then what we have seen will only worsen each year until some point 200 or 300 years from now, the global ecosystem will shut down and the end of homo sapiens reign on earth will begin. Some legacy to leave our descendants isn't it? Even billionaires will find they can't buy off this catastrophe. I pity those who will live through the time until that ending begins for surely it will not be easy nor pleasant as they compete for shrinking land masses due to the rising sea levels, what will that world look like, what will those people think of us? This is surely not the ending envisioned by whomever wrote the book of Revelations and there will be no rapturous ending either, just suffering. Suffering we could have prevented had our love for money not been greater than our love for each other. We make me sick.
 

Dave C. (209)
Friday October 12, 2012, 6:30 pm
climate change is the issue the world is not facing and we certainly aren't....everything in the future will be effected by it....we must address it, we owe it to the the future we wish to have.............
 

Nimue P. (216)
Friday October 12, 2012, 6:49 pm
Noted thanks.
 

Janet R. (34)
Friday October 12, 2012, 7:16 pm
Many people don't care; they are too focused on me, me, me, now, now, now, with no thought about the future for themselves and future generations. I think we have already reached the point of no return and i think many others believe the same so why bother, that's the attitude? Even though I believe it may be too late, that is no reason to stop, have to keep trying.
 

Declan Woods (20)
Friday October 12, 2012, 7:35 pm
We must look into our hearts not our wallets to create a world that is healthy, clean, and fit for our children and grand children. They are entitled to our thinking of other generations to come rather than as Janet R quite rightly and simply put it, me, me , me.......
 

Helen Porter (41)
Friday October 12, 2012, 11:23 pm
Grim is the prospect,
dark the portent,
Yet Native Amerians
of many tribes predicted
when Earth is in the condition,
it is now,
there would come forth a people
from all nations, colors and creeds,
Rainbow Warriors
who would know the victory
of saving our world.

Rainbow Warriors, we have come
We are here. We shall win.
We are the Rainbow Warriors.

note: if any of you don't know
of the Rainbow Warriros,
look it up on the internet.
Be encouraged.
Know who you are.
 

Alexandra Rodda (176)
Saturday October 13, 2012, 2:14 am
I would not give up just yet. people are aware of the threat and they are exercising their wits to try and avert the disaster. Now there is a battery storage facility so that one can save enough electricity from solar panels to last all night. Good for temperate and tropical climates. Also, there is now a way of recharging electric cars in only a couple of minutes. All the time there are innovations that push the possible outcome of all this towards a more positive outcome. What we are up against is the greed of the fossil fuel lobby.
We'll be able to overcome that too once denial is no longer possible.
Danger is, that denial is not the only defense mechanism of the mind. There is also displacement and projection. For instance, it's the wrath of God because there are abortions being carried out in the country, or it's the fault of the Democrats, etc. These human defense mechanisms are actually our greatest danger.

 

Susan Lane (5)
Saturday October 13, 2012, 5:23 am
hopefully we will learn and start to protect our earth
 

Shadow Manypaths (16)
Saturday October 13, 2012, 7:56 am
the planetary climate shifts back and forth all by itself on a schedule of its own...and has yet to extinguish life on earth - only bring it to a next level. while some human contributions may accelerate the process, many also oppose the natrual cycles and, with the exception of environmental toxins that previously did not exist (which "greenhouse gasses" do not qualify as), largely tend to cancel out. it is the height of human arrogance to assume that our actions are the be-all and end-all on a global scale...we may well end ourselves, but the planet will go on quite nicely whether we are here or not.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Saturday October 13, 2012, 8:06 am
The problem is in the science and the temperature-record.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/11/environmentalist-air-pollution/#comment-1108524

I don't like the rhetoric behind this link and I disagree with one of the points (which I noted in the comments, though my comment is still awaiting moderation). Still, the fact is that neither candidate is concentrating on climate-change because the underlying science behind the policies supported by many environmentalists is just false. It has made robust predictions, almost completely independent of other factors, which turned out wrong, and those would be too easy for the other candidate to point out.
 

Thomas P. (467)
Saturday October 13, 2012, 8:52 am
Thanks
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday October 13, 2012, 9:10 am
No, Stephen....THE PROBLEM is with big business, human greed and religious fundamentalists who LONG for the "end times."

 

Taylor Bob (0)
Saturday October 13, 2012, 12:33 pm
we will destroy our selves
 

Anna Undebeck (202)
Saturday October 13, 2012, 1:27 pm
Im pretty sure we will destroy our selves :( Its just so sad and horrible everything thats have been going on for many years and STILL does...... Like the humans dont UNDERSTAND shit!!!!!!!
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Saturday October 13, 2012, 4:35 pm
Noted. Thanks for posting, Cal. *I'm sorry I'm unable to send Susanne R. a star as I've sent her one within the past week...but, great comment!
Gee, I really hate to consider myself as part of the "we" destroying our planet. I'm totally against fracking, oil pipelines, mountaintop removal....and sign petitions and send letters daily. Must be time to pin the blame on those greedy people who are in charge and making all the money off the destruction. They are destroying our planet.
 

JM A. (176)
Saturday October 13, 2012, 8:34 pm
HUMANITY IS HURLING TOWARD SELF & ENVIROMENTAL DESTRUCTION.
HE REFUSES TO EVOLVE OVER DEGENERATING DUE TO GREED, EGO & SEXUAL OVERDOSE!!
SUCH A SAD & HORRIFIC REALITY IT IS!!
 

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Sunday October 14, 2012, 4:43 pm


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greenplanet e. (157)
Wednesday October 17, 2012, 12:41 am
We need to stop burnnig fossil fuels, and stop digging at the Earth for them.
 
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