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Plan B Pulled: Obama Optimistic For Bipartisan Deal After Boehner Plan Falls Short


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Cal
- 480 days ago - huffingtonpost.com
The White House says President Barack Obama is willing to continue bargaining for a bipartisan solution to avert the "fiscal cliff" after House Republicans abandoned efforts to pass an alternative plan.



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Jason S. (57)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 7:19 pm
The only solution to the world debt problems is debt for all people, because in 2013 the world debt is 52 trillion in public debt. Good posting, thanks
 

John C. (79)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 7:35 pm
The vote was pulled off the floor because the "SPEAKER", did not have the votes to pass it in his own HOUSE.
You can only imagine what it could meet in the Senate. Sometimes gridlock is good.
 

Susanne R. (248)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 9:15 pm
It appears that John Boehner is little more than the messenger for the tea party, which doesn't know the meaning of the words "bipartisan" or "compromise." I don't envy the position he's in, but he hasn't been very effective in his role as Speaker. Time to choose a Speaker who can lead.
 

Angelica C. (80)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 11:14 pm
The Teahadists - how are they different from terrorists? They'd hijack the whole country for a guest spot on Fox. They don't answer to the people. They answer to billionaire right wing loonies.
 

Arild Warud (151)
Friday December 21, 2012, 3:14 am
Whatever happens I'm not optimistic.
 

Carol H. (229)
Friday December 21, 2012, 4:45 am
noted with much disgust for the speaker
 

John S. (294)
Friday December 21, 2012, 5:03 am
Continue bargaining, have I missed something? If President Obama has taken the lead, maybe he should isolate the extremist on the left and right and gain the support of the less extreme republican and democrats.
 

pam w. (187)
Friday December 21, 2012, 7:46 am
How satisfying to see this JERK falling onto his own sword! He's been nothing but an obstruction for so long....let's shove him aside and get to real, constructive work!
 

Debra B. (24)
Friday December 21, 2012, 9:22 am
Who knows
 

Trish K. (93)
Friday December 21, 2012, 2:25 pm
Congress should pledge to uphold the law and put the american people 1st and only do good works for them.
This BS is TREASON. How can grown ups take a pledge like they did ? Not Logical.
 

Dave C. (204)
Friday December 21, 2012, 2:39 pm
thanks.....
 

l L. (1)
Friday December 21, 2012, 2:53 pm
We have been here before and the tactics are the same on Boerner's side and Pres. Obama.
We just had an election that was suppose to stand for something. But... it's the same old same old.
The President caves and has a massive give away.. Boerner plays games, acts like he is going to compromise, pulss back and doesn't and gets more than what he asks for.


The president;; Jolly ole st. Nick is santa everytimes he sits down with them. Election year is over and he has nothing to worry about. Doesn't have to be the good guy on "our side" any more. Just give it alllllllllllllll away on the home front and talk about how much money we saved.. with our new police state and microchipped bodies. How convenient.

BTW.. it would be wise if we are so in love with kids now and are the perfect model and attitude of parenthood, that we would stop drone strikes killing other people's kids.
I find myself I just have to turn the channel and count 4 yrs and losing to Pres. Obamas grand bargain.

Uh.. whose fighting for us? We went thru all of that voting stuff and we still get the grand give away.m mm America..
 

l L. (1)
Friday December 21, 2012, 2:59 pm
I made a mistake.. I lost my thought.. I don't know what I was trying to say with "pulss back". I don't remember. Just Mr. Boerner does the same thing everytime. Same m/o, both of them.. I don't feel like playing their game saw it before. It is a re-run..
 

SANDRA G. (1)
Friday December 21, 2012, 3:07 pm
HE LIED TO US AND PROMISED HE WOULD NOT TOUCH MEDICARE OR SOCIAL SECURITY AND HE JUST GOT DONE SAYING EVERY BODY DOESNT GET WHAT THEY WANT THE HELL WITH THE OLD PEOPLE AND THE VETS HE LIED!!!!!!!! IF I WANTED RYAN ROMNEY I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THEM GO OVER THE CLIFF WELL BE JUST FINE
 

James Maynard (62)
Friday December 21, 2012, 9:07 pm
Mr. President,

Please, please, please Sir, stop this bizarre thinking
that the Republicans want what is best for the nation.
They can't even agree to a vote that would destroy
thousands of families due to their inept ability to
write a bill. Just say "NO" (their favorite mantra) and
let the insufferable Bush Tax Cuts expire. Then we
can do something positive.
 

James Maynard (62)
Friday December 21, 2012, 9:09 pm
The Republicans would be better served to
elect Nancy Pelosi to be their leader as she
knows how to get things done ...............

Ha ha ha hahah haha ha!
 

Dorothy N. (63)
Friday December 21, 2012, 9:41 pm
Guys, President Obama can't just go ahead and do the right thing!

Have a look at the way that your government is set up.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_of_the_purse

Power of the purse

... In the United States

The power of the purse plays a critical role in the relationship of the United States Congress and the President of the United States, and has been the main historic tool by which Congress can limit executive power. One of the most recent examples is the Foreign Assistance Act of 1974, which eliminated all military funding for the government of South Vietnam and thereby ended the Vietnam War. Other recent examples include limitations on military funding placed on Ronald Reagan by Congress, which led to the withdrawal of United States Marines from Lebanon. Appropriation bills cannot originate in the Senate, but the Senate can amend appropriation bills that originate in the House.

The power of the purse in military affairs was famously subverted during the Iran-Contra scandal in the 1980s.[1] Congress denied further aid to the Contras in Nicaragua. Unwilling to accept the will of Congress, members of the Reagan Administration solicited private donations, set up elaborate corporate schemes and brokered illegal arms deals with Iran in order to generate unofficial funds that could not be regulated by Congress.

Presently, budget limitations and using the power of the purse form a controversial part of discussion regarding Congressional opposition to the Iraq War. On March 23, 2007, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a supplemental war budget that imposed a timeline on the presence of American combat troops in Iraq, but the legislation was not passed.

The power of the purse has also been used to compel the U.S. states to pass laws, in cases where Congress does not have the desire or constitutional power to make it a federal matter. The most well-known example of this is regarding the drinking age, where Congress passed a law to withhold federal funds for highways in any state that did not raise the age to 21. Congress was not allowed to pass the law itself because the 21st Amendment (which ended Prohibition in the U.S.) gave control of alcohol to the states. In 2009, Congress considered similar legislation regarding texting while driving. ...

And in this case, refusal to pass budgets leaves the President - and the country and the people - stymied!

This is how the Republicans previously damaged America's credit rating and increased interest and the debt.

I believe that Congress has to introduce/pass bills - the division of power was supposed to be protective, byut the Republicans are using it as a tool of extortion, to allow corporate control through them of America and Americans.



http://www.visitthecapitol.gov/aboutcongress/making_laws/index.html

Making Laws

There are many different ways, both simple and complex, in which a bill becomes law. One way in which this happens is:

A member of Congress introduces a bill into his or her legislative chamber.
The presiding officer of that chamber refers the proposed legislation to one or more committees, depending on its subject.
Committee members review the bill and decide whether to hold public hearings, to combine it with related draft legislation, to propose amendments, to recommend that the chamber in which it was introduced consider it favorably, or to set it aside for possible later review.
If the committee, or committees, return the bill to the chamber of the body in which it was introduced, members debate the measure and may consider further amendments.
The bill is then considered by the full chamber. If it passes, the measure is referred to the other chamber, where this process begins anew.
When a majority in the House, and in the Senate, agree the bill should become law, it is signed and sent to the president.
The president may sign the act of Congress into law, or he may veto it.
Congress can then override the president's veto by a two-thirds vote of both the House and Senate thereby making the vetoed act a law.


On another note, I've been lately getting more and notices that various videos 'can't be viewed from my location' and the one on this article was yet another...

As far as I'm concerned, this is censorship, refusing people in certain areas - such as Canada - access to free content on the internet?

Why has this suddenly appeared as a problem?
 

Faye Swan (23)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 12:16 am
Noted - thank you!
 

Joseph G. Paquette (1)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 5:54 am
WITH OTHERS, I AM STARTING TO REALIZE THAT I MAY HAVE CAST MY VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING AND HIS NAME IS: BARRACK OBAMA!!
 

Arielle S. (313)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 5:59 am
By introducing cuts to SS, the President has shown the GOP to be hard-headed, stubborn, unwilling, and difficult. See? They won't even compromise now! Now the President can go back to square one (no cuts in SS). My feeling is that the President knows exactly what he is doing and that it will result in what he wants. Lots of experts say "falling off the cliff" is not a bad thing in reality as the tax rates will go up for everyone but the first thing the President will do is introduce a tax cut for the middle class and no senator in his right mind will dare vote against that.
 

John Gregoire (248)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 6:27 am
Right and they all go home! Just how many bucks iare we paying to send the Obama's to Hawaii???? We need to put the WH on a tight budget as well as the rest of this over spending crowd.

I'm beginning to think no deal is the best deal for America.
 

paul m. (93)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 6:46 am

You people don't understand,,, They are in power,,have the money ,,,and you think they care about you ??
It's the same every where ,,promises but they have to be broken, unless they want something but the Elections
are over,,, so, look forward too cuts.
 

Pat A. (117)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 7:48 am
Star to James M and tried to send some to Susanne R and Arielle S - but the computer wouldn't let me - sorry.
 

Gary A L. (129)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 8:13 am
republicans are tratoirs pure and simple the whole system is rigged
 

Patricia H. (477)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 8:31 am
noted
 

Joseph G. Paquette (1)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 12:45 pm
You Won Mr. President! Now stand firm and be that Democrat you campaigned you would be. The USA needs a FIGHTER not a college professor in chief!!
 

Diana Bair (7)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 1:51 pm
Boehner is to immature to do anything, he is owned by higher ups, he knows nothing about what he is doing, DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HIS "OWN STATE" Much less any of the people, he most likely lied to get elected!!!!!!. and THIS IS THE IDIOT ,,,,,,,,,OUR......PRESIDENT HAS TO HAVE THESE Talks with??????. we are...SCREWED!!!!!!!!. He will try to get EVERYTHING HE CAN FOR.....RICH....The president does not want to go over that.................CLIFF??!!!???!!!. Social security should not even be on the table nor should medicare,,etc, it is NOT part of this....so called problem!!!!!!!. Boehner's state needs to have some talks wih ...HIM, EITHER HE CUTS HIS childish crap ...OR.....FIND ANOTHER.....JOB.....NOW!!!!!!. Diana
 

Ann Breeden (65)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 6:16 pm
This should be interesting if nothing else. Stand firm, Mr. President.
 

Gloria picchetti (279)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 6:32 pm
Boehner has nothing. He can't let all his poor constituants pay higher taxes. There are many republicans who are not wealthy. If we all fall off the fiscal cliff who will vote for repulbicans?
 

James Maynard (62)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 6:04 am
Dear Mr. Speaker,

If this is the best you can do, please pack up your
tanning bed, resign and go home.

Thanks.
 

Roger M. (0)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 1:00 pm
Thanks for the update.
 

SANDRA G. (1)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 2:37 pm
Joseph G. I have to agree with everything you say I just cannot believe he and Biden, even Clinton said the same thing WE WILL NOT TOUCH SS , MEDICARE and talk about a COWARD HE IS DOING EVERYTHING THEY CAMPAIGNED ON THEY ARE GETTING WHAT THEY WANT!!!!! STUPID ME MY MOM AND DAD ALWAYS SAID DON'T TRUST NONE OF THEM, HE IS NOT A DEMOCRAT AND IF YOU LISTENED TO HIS SPEECH THE OTHER DAY HE NEVER MENTIONED SOCIAL SECURITY MEDICARE , VETERANS , HE SAID EVERYONE CANT GET EVERYTHING THEY WANT, I JUST WANT WHAT HE PROMISED..YOU KNOW WHAT BOEHNER MAKES 210 THOUSAND AND CONGRESS MAKES 174 THOU. AND WHAT DO THEY DO??? WHAT DO THEY KNOW ABOUT WANTING ANYTHING THEY DONT!!!
LEAVE MY SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE ALONE!!!!
TAKE MY SS AND MEDICARE AND GAVE DEFENSE 560 BILLION BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THATS WHERE THE MONEY IS THEY DID THAT BEFORE TALKING ABOUT OUR TAXES THIS WAY THAT DOESNT GET HIT IN THE FISCAL CLIFF ,,, GO OVER THE CLIFF AND LEAVE MY SS ALONE!!!!!!! WHAT A LIAR LOST ALL RESPECT FOR HIM!!!!!
 

Deborah W. (6)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 4:30 pm
Boehner's screwed any way you look at it. Can't get the kids in The House to play together, can't get the President to budge on anything ... so I say let's jump and let BO own The Commander-in-Chief role.
 

Valerie r. (8)
Sunday December 23, 2012, 7:30 pm
Stand your ground Mr. President...you did win the election running on this!

I also will add: Let's fire Congress...before 2014!! We hired them, shouldn't we be able to just fire them?

I tell you...as a nurse, if I was found not doing my job, I sure wouldn't have a job to come back to! Shouldn't it be the same for our Representatives???
 

Diana Bair (7)
Monday December 24, 2012, 8:24 pm
I think he knew boehner's would....back fire!!!!!!!, Now he can get back to work with a plan fair to....ALL!!!!!!. But ...boehner is still a problem the blubbering orange idiot needs REPLACED and NOT with paul ryan!!!!!!!. cannot they find even one REPUBLICIAN with a WORKABLE BRAIN, THAT IS NOT OWNED BY .....RICH OR NOT CONTROLLED from the grave by ...AYN RAND!!!!!!?????!!!!. They will have to search, Ohio please recall/impeach ...BOEHNER.....NOW!!!!!. Diana.
 

Diane O. (151)
Monday December 24, 2012, 9:15 pm
When a country is spending more than it is taking in that means we have a serious problem. Do most of the liberals spend more money than they bring in every month? You certainly would think so after reading your comments. Obama doesn't want to cut anything and yet he wants trillions more to spend. We are only experiencing the first wave of baby boomers retiring. There are millions more of us right behind them. That translates into more social security and medicare outlay and the loss of tax revenues from these people.

I'm continually amazed at the serious lack of math skills on the left.

I hope we go off the cliff and the tax breaks expire on everyone. I hope Obama spends this country into the ground. It will put us in a deep recession....remember the debt to income ratio that has been used twice on us in the form of two credit downgrades. I believe this country needs to experience what it is like to have an incompetent president in the White House. It is called "tough love." Let's let Obama have exactly what he wants...and let the republicans vote "present" as Obama did over 100 times as a senator.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 26, 2012, 9:26 am
"When a country is spending more than it is taking in that means we have a serious problem."

Tax the rich like we used to and cut military spending. Stop being arrogant and cut power to the MIC. Easy!

"Do most of the liberals spend more money than they bring in every month?"

Did the right sabotage the economy? Yes. We have been redistributing wealth since Washington, for the welfare of the country, as the constitution demands. We take care of those that can't take care of themselves because the constitution demands we do.

I'm continually amazed at the serious lack of compassion from certain people. Like they are incapable of vision. Planning for the future. Caring...
 

Diane O. (151)
Wednesday December 26, 2012, 3:57 pm
Jason, first of all, I would like to wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happier New York. Now I'd like to tell you that you need to do more research on what you are commenting on before you push the "submit" button. You could not be more wrong than your comments above.

Want to keep taxing the rich....out of our country? Then who are you going to turn to, pal?
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 26, 2012, 5:07 pm
Let them lease and slap tariffs on their unpatriotic asses. Why do you insist on protecting big multi national corporations or supporting those who do?

What am I wrong about and who says I'm wrong? Lol...Fox. Turn them off and at LEAST watch C=span if you can't handle the Liberal truth. Fox just makes you say things like you did above...nothing.

lol
There Are Now As Many Nonreligious Americans As Evangelicals -- 6 Ways Politicians Can Court Their Vote
By Adam Lee, AlterNet
The nonreligious are proving to be a crucial voting bloc. READ MOREĽ

I never could understand people that give in to following. It's like volunteering to take a back seat.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 26, 2012, 5:14 pm
The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online...
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the...
usconstitution.net/const.html

The Reagan and bush tax cuts went against what the constitution intended. No one bitched about 230 years of redistribution until Fox told them to. Now, just the greedy rich and misinformed do.
 

rene davis (74)
Wednesday December 26, 2012, 11:43 pm
thanks.
 

Diane O. (151)
Thursday December 27, 2012, 2:57 am
Basic math, Jason. It always comes down to the math. Obama will have his "blank check" to continue spending money our taxpayers cannot pay back. That should be a red flag for the liberals but they don't seem to care. Taxing the rich will only push their businesses overseas and then what have you got left?

Guess you'll have to turn to the middle class and tax them at 60% to pay for those who don't work. Redistributive wealth has a way of running its course and leaves a country with no options....check out Greece. France is now taxing their rich at 75%....I hope every single business leaves France and moves to a more tax friendly country. I know I would if I was a business owner there. I'd take my business and all the jobs out of France. Business owners aren't in business to lose money.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 27, 2012, 9:38 am
The math, Diane. America had the revenue to cover the budget until the right gave huge tax breaks to the rich. Don't you THINK about anything before your pie hole goes off on tirade?

It has NEVER been a spending problem. The right made a revenue problem and called it a spending problem. You eat up the hate like your lunch. Never figuring out that they are manipulating you. Why do you think we're IN this depression? If you don't care to understand consumer economics, you should shut the hell up.
 
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