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Vermont City Takes Step Toward Banning Assault Rifles


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Cal
- 619 days ago - cnn.com
A resolution passed in the most populous city in Vermont could lead to a ban on assault rifles and high-capacity magazines



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Teresa W. (691)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 3:32 pm
good news
 

Allan Yorkowitz (453)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 3:39 pm
What are the police going to do, go door to door looking assault rifles and ask people to surrender them?
 

David C. (29)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 3:42 pm
great news
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Wednesday January 9, 2013, 4:09 pm
Thanks.
 

John S. (304)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 4:31 am
But they haven't actually done anthing yet?
 

Ro H. (0)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 4:54 am
ty
 

pam w. (191)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 8:30 am
They're making a point, I guess.
 

Scott P. (0)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 8:56 am
This is utter stupidity... statistics from 2009 clearly shows that more people were killed by blunt objects (hammers for example) than rifles, much less the dreaded made up term "assault" rifle---> http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html ... this is a DUMB law... you want to stop mass shooting arm the citizens not take away their guns - pass concealed carry with NO "gun free" zones which = easy targets for criminals... http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/it-true-armed-civilians-have-never-stopped-mass-shooting_690808.html
 

Winn Adams (192)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 12:11 pm
Great!
 

Christina Carlson (17)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 12:41 pm
Interesting point, Scott P. But how many blunt trauma hammer massacres have occurred in our schools? I can't recall a one.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 12:49 pm
Good news--thanks.
 

Kathleen R. (138)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 12:59 pm
noted
 

Ruth R. (219)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 1:55 pm
If I was about to get shot any where -- by some person who either planned it, or did not -- I sure would be grateful if some other person {wothout getting injured and without getting killed} stopped that gun from from going off. Guns are not the only kind of weapons that I would need to be defended from.
THIS DEBATE NEEDS TO BE ENDED. IT IS DISTRACTION FROM THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE WHY THE MISUSE OF WEAPONS.
THE REAL PEACEFUL DISCUSSION IS ABOUT HOW TO KEEP PEOPLE HAPPY, HEALTHY AND SANE -- SO THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT MIS-USE WEAPONS OF ALL KINDS. THEN THE ACTIONS -- THAT HELP PEOPLE STAY HEALTHY, HAPPY, WHOLE, AND SANE NEED TO BE TAKEN. THE GUN ISSUES IS A NON-ISSUE. PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS AND HAVE ALWAYS MADE WEAPONS OF ALL KINDS.
THIS DEBATE NEEDS TO BE ENDED -- BECAUSE IT IS A DISTRACTION FROM THE REAL ISSUES -- THAT CAUSE PEOPLE TO MIS-USE WEAPONS.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DEBATE MANY COUNTRIES HAVE NO GUN RIGHTS -- AND LESS DEATHS TO GUNS, 1. THEY ARE AT THE MERCY OF OTHERS WHO GET A HOLD OF GUNS. 2. THEY ARE AT THE MERCY OF OTHERS WHO ARE TAKING OVER THE GOVERNMENT.

WHEN THE GOVERNMENT FEAR-- HAS AWE AND RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE, THEN THE PEOPLE HAVE FREEDOM.
WHEN THE PEOPLE FEAR THE GOVERNMENT -- THEN THERE IS TYRANNY.

WHERE ARE THE PETITIONS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE -- FREEDOM OF CHOICE OF WEAPONS -- AND KEEP THE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS TO A MINIMUM ???

ARE WE ALL BEING USED LIKE PAWNS IN A GOVERNMENT SYSTEM THAT WOULD LIKE US TO THINK THAT WE DO NOT NEED WEAPONS --- WHEN THAT GOVERNMENT SYSTEM IS TAKING ALL THE POWER FROM THE PEOPLE THAT IT POSSIBLY CAN ???

IF YOU GO AHEAD AND BAN THOSE WEAPONS -- AND THERE WILL BE ANOTHER KIND OF WEAPON BY THOSE WHO YOU TOOK IT AWAY FROM.

IF YOU KEEP PETITIONING AND WRITING ABOUT GUN CONTROL, YOU MISS THE TRUE MATTER -- THAT OF ADDRESSING:
1. WHAT IS THE TRUE PURPOSE OF WEAPONS.
2. HOW TO HELP PEOPLE FROM MIS -- USING WEAPONS.
3. THE SELF-CONTROL AND RESPECT AND HONOR OF PEACEFUL SELF-DEFENSE.
WITH OR WITHOUT WEAPONS.
4. SINCE WHEN DID GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION MEAN THAT THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT BE USED AGAINST THE PEOPLE -- TO TAKE AWAY THEIR OWN MEANS OF DEFENSE -- THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A GUN. THERE ARE MANY OTHER KINDS OF WEAPONS.

YOU WASTE YOUR TIME ON BRING UP THE MATTER OF GUN CONTROL. GO TO THE ROOT OF THE CAUSE OF THE MISUSE OF WEAPONS.
YOU SHAME YOURSELVES.
YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL THAT I EVEN COMMENT.
 

Pamylle G. (461)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 2:19 pm
Way to go, Vermont !
 

Robert Tomlinson (65)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 2:59 pm
I am very proud of Burlington, Vermont.
 

Scott haakon (4)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 3:48 pm
This is just a knee jerk reaction. Assault rifles are very rarely used in any crime (less than 2%0 But the media has made it seem like a big bogey man. People need to have better training in critical thinking. Weapons training for everybody would be a big plus. Many urban dwellers never had gun safety and training. The only time they see them is TV or Movies. The first step is training for every one. Get people understanding and away from fear.
This is the same way that people learn about domestic animals. Many people are scared of dogs. It takes education to understand what to do around strange dogs. guns are easier as the do not have a mind of their own.
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 4:15 pm
Good for them. My mayor has also said he's considering a city-wide ban. Of course he's opposed by gun nuts...they are a very tiny but loudmouthed minority. Hopefully, common sense and the majority will prevail. ....and the conversation continues...
 

Ruth R. (219)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 4:23 pm
What I Was Trying To Explain.
HOW TO UP-- ROOT THE MISUSE AND USE OF WEAPONS IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND THE BALANCE OF POWER IN SOCIETY.
5:02 the latest correction and maybe the last to my thought at this time on gun control may be a distraction. There are other issues: how to uproot the causes of the misuse and the use of weapons in the first place???
Do we remember the fight for freedom and the steps to downfall that took place before the natzi's tried to take over in world war two?
correction. Are we pawns in a behind the scenes system that would like people to think that they do not have to defend them selves and their loved ones -- from people who could and would if they could get these weapons -- and defend themselves and others from -- A partly good and partly excellent government system-- if the government turns against the civilians?
Do we remember the fight for freedom and the steps to downfall that took place before the natzi's tried to take over in world war two?
If I was about to get shot any where -- by some person who either planned it, or did not -- I sure would be grateful if some other person {without getting injured and without getting killed} stopped that gun from from going off. Guns are not the only kind of weapons that I would need to be defended from.
THIS DEBATE NEEDS TO BE ENDED. IT IS DISTRACTION FROM THE ROOT CAUSE OF WHY THE MISUSE OF WEAPONS.
The real useful conversation is about how to keep people happy, whole, healthy and sane -- so that people will not misuse weapons of all kinds. Then the actions need to taken -- that help people stay healthy, whole, sane and happy, and at peace. THE GUN ISSUES IS A NON-ISSUE. PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS AND HAVE ALWAYS MADE WEAPONS OF ALL KINDS.
This conversation needs to change it's course -- because it is a distraction from the real subject: The cause of the misuse of guns and weapons.
If you would like to have a peaceful conversation: Many countries have no gun rights --and less deaths and injuries to guns 1A. they have many other kinds of weapons and ways to fight. , 1. They are at the mercy of other who get a hold of "better" weapons -- if trained and self-controled civilians do not have those better weapons. 2. They are at the mercy of those who are taking over the good in the government system. 3. They are at the mercy of the corrupt people in the government system or behind the government system --for example -- raw milk and organic produce being taken by government officials and dumped and trashed.

When the governments and/or the eu and/or the un have FEAR-- HAS AWE AND RESPECT FOR THE PEOPLE, THEN THE PEOPLE HAVE FREEDOM.
WHEN THE PEOPLE FEAR THE GOVERNMENT -- THEN THERE IS TYRANNY.

Where are the petitions from the people who would like -- freedom of choice of the kind of weapons they have -- and keep the government regulations out of this matter and/or to a minimum???
Are we being used like pawns in a system making us to think that we do not need weapons --- when that government -- by nature -- may or may not be taking all the power from the people that it possibly can ???
If you go and ban those weapons -- there will be another kind of weapon -- by those who you took it away from.
If you keep petitioning and writing about gun control, you miss the true matter -- that of addressing:
1. What is the true purpose of weapons -- needs a list and to be peaceful conversations.
2. How to help people use weapons for the only the correct reasons.
3. how to stop the misuse of weapons.
4. The self-control and respect and honor of self defense -- peaceful or not --
without or with weapons.
5. Since when did government intervention mean that the government will not be used against the civilians -- to take away a means of their own self -defense -- gun or other weapon?
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Thursday January 10, 2013, 7:58 pm
@Christina Carlson, LOL! It's amazing how rationality cuts through crapola. Scott P., though cancer kills more people than rabies, that's no reason to defend or condone rabies.

Ruth R., YOU'RE YELLING SO LOUD NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU! AND YOU'RE REPEATING YOURSELF. Btw, you have spoken like a pure American gun nut who was born suckling on the end of a gun barrel. Hate to tell you this, but no other country in the world thinks quite as insanely about guns as you or the good old U.S.A.
The answer to your question: 'what is the true purpose of weapons? To be used as force. Force is low level communication. .
I looked at all the armaments in a WW2 museum once and every single one was designed to tear, rip, blow apart bodies or tear, rip, blow apart objects (vehicles, buildings etc).

Scott Haakon, so what's your reason then for assault weapons? You didn't mention any.

 

paul m. (93)
Friday January 11, 2013, 3:05 am

Nice one....
 

Scott P. (0)
Friday January 11, 2013, 5:30 am
@Christina... I agree, can't think of a mass hammer attack either... but, if you look at mass murder scenes where more than 4 people were shot, where do you think they all happen???? Gun free zones, that's where. The cowards who perpetrate these mass shootings choose GFZ specifically so they can get a high body count. They want fame and if someone is there to stop them, they lose their opportunity to be known. That said, my point was that banning "assault" rifles will do nothing to stop crime or mass shootings. People who want large numbers will do what ever it takes to get them, guns or no guns... Just ask Timothy McVeigh.
 

Scott P. (0)
Friday January 11, 2013, 5:43 am
Hey Ken... I'll answer for Mr. Haakon... do you even know why there is a 2nd amendment??? My guess is no. The 2nd is put in place to give the citizenry protection against a tyrannical government. In order to be effective, you need to have similar weapons to what they would use. Now I understand that either way, we are out gunned. After all, unless the military defects and sides with the people against a strong-arm government, we won't have aircraft or ground warfare heavy artillery. But some chance is better than no chance. The first step for a strong arm government is to disarm its citizens... One only needs to open a history book to learn that lesson. It has happened more than once.
 

Christina Carlson (17)
Friday January 11, 2013, 7:09 am
Hi Scott P. - Claiming that all multiple murders happen in gun-free zones is not only woefully inaccurate it does nothing for your argument. I will agree with you that someone sick enough to perpetrate these killings may not allow gun control measures deter them if they are determined. They can, like Timothy McVeigh, do their research and gather their materials and build their own means to ending lives. But that is not the path many of these individuals take as proven by the numbers of gun-related violent crime in comparison to the number of home-grown bombings. You are using theoretics to drive your point. The facts are that guns are being used in almost all of these mass killings. The accessibility of the guns and the lack of mental health screenings for individuals purchasing them unlocks the easier path to these sorts of crimes. I'd also like to address your comment to Ken: A tyrannical government rules by many means, not just by force of arms. People are oppressed by Ogliarchs not willing to address disparity of wealth distribution and it is proven that poverty drives crime and violence. Governments run roughshod over their people utilizing fear and that extends to far beyond fear of military power. It encompasses economic fears, fear of expression or free speech. There are far more effective ways than military might for a strong-arm government to decimate the freedom of people which we have seen throughout history. The fact remains that we as Americans are NOT facing an epidemic of government goons rampaging through our schools and places of work killing innocents whereas we ARE facing an epidemic of gun-toting citizens committing these crimes.
 

tasunka m. (334)
Friday January 11, 2013, 8:32 am
For Vermont was one of the most liberal states in the US.
You don't even need a license there,so they have some catching up to do.
We don't even lock our doors in my town; no crime
no reason to doubt Vermonters,it's the rest of the country that worries me.
 

Scott P. (0)
Friday January 11, 2013, 11:48 am
Christina... allow me to adjust my posting... I do realize that using words like ALL and NEVER will generally be the demise of any conversation. So let's switch out ALL for MOST... for resource allow me to offer a link:

http://www.lohud.com/article/D4/20130110/OPINION03/301100007/LETTER-Mass-murderers-go-gun-free-zones-

This article makes the statement that all mass killings that have MORE than 3 murders, since 1950 have been in gun free zones. With the exception of course, of Gabby's incident. This is the only one since 1950. I stand corrected. That's some co-incidence don't ya think? You think those locations are all chosen by accident? I find that hard to believe.

I agree access to firearms makes it easier for them, but as you admitted they will find a way. We don't have mass bombings maybe BECAUSE of the ease of getting firearms. Many would be mass shootings are thwarted by another person being presently armed to stop the perp. There is plenty of evidence of that. Its much harder to find because they are not well publicized as a mass killing would be. My original post has a link that lists a small handful of events. Gun free zones create easy targets. Getting rid of those are a better start to stopping mass killing vs. taking the firearms of law abiding citizens who exercise a constitutional right. More laws will only make law abiding citizens disarm, or become law breakers. Criminals will NOT turn in their guns and will always get access to them through a black market. If outlawing guns would get rid of guns, maybe we should outlaw heroin and meth... oh wait, bad example.

As for your comment about there being an "epidemic"... we obviously have different views of the definition.
Have a great day Christina.
 
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